I've been thinking about my next project for some time. The Indian Mutiny met with a lukewarm reception from our regular gaming group.
After much thought and some discussion I've decided, with support from the group, to add some more DBA armies. This avoids adding a new ruleset or even a variant of a ruleset.
So my next project is 10 DBA armies for the Punic Wars :)
I'll do two Roman, Carthaginian and Iberian armies and four others. This will allow for Rome v Carthage Big Battle DBA games (3 armies per side) with a variety of allies for both
It also gives enough allies so they can fight on their own
I've made some, perhaps, educated guesses as to appropriate figures from the Pendraken ranges including the about to be released Greeks :-\
There are a few where I am not sure I have found the best figures, see the DBA lists & comments below :-/
I'm also interested in suggestions for 6 generic 'camps' which will be based on 40x40 bases, probably pack animals or tents...
All feedback appreciated
II/5h Siciliot 448-280BC
General (Sp or Cv) | Armoured Hoplites or Thessalian Hvy Cavalry |
Cavalry (Cv) | Thessalian Hvy Cavalry |
Hoplite (Sp) | Armoured Hoplites (Bronze & Linen Cuirass) |
Psoli (Ps) | Psiloi Skirmishers |
II/8a Bruttian or Lucanian 420-203BC, II/8c Apulian 420-206BC
General (Cv) | Thessalian Hvy Cavalry |
Cavalry (Cv) | Thessalian Hvy Cavalry |
Warriors (3Ax or 4Ax) | ARR9 Italian Allies??? / ARL6 Unarmoured, attacking, mixed weapons |
Peasants (7Hd) | ARL10 Militia??? |
Javelinmen (Ps) | ACR2 Javelinmen, shield / ARL1 Unarmoured, standing, spear |
Any other suggestions for the Warriors (there are only 2 poses in ARR9) and Peasants?
Perhaps the warriors should look more Greek, unarmoured Hoplites...
II/9a Syracuse in Sicily 410-210BC
General (Cv or Sp) | Thessalian Hvy Cavalry or Armoured Hoplites |
Hoplites (Sp) | Armoured Hoplites (Bronze & Linen Cuirass) |
Gauls (4Wb) | AGA1 Celtic Warband |
Ligurians or Spanish (4Ax) | ASP2 Scutarii with sword and spear |
Cavalry (3Cv) | Thessalian Hvy Cavalry |
Bolt-shooter (Art) | ADA6 Ballista with crew??? |
Sikels (3Ax) | Peltasts? |
Tarentines (LH) | Greek Light Cavalry |
Psiloi (Ps) | Psiloi Skirmiishers |
Is the Ballista appropriate for a Syracuse bolt-shooter or is the design totally wrong?
Any suggestions for more Greek looking crew for the bolt shooter?
II/11 Gallic 400-50BC
General (LCh or 3Cv or 3/4Wb) | AGA6 Heavy cavalry or AGA8 Heavy infantry, AGA3 Foot command |
Chariots (LCh) or cavalry (3Cv) | AGA6 Heavy cavalry |
Warriors (3/4Wb) | AGA1 Celtic Warband, AGA8 Heavy infantry, AGA3 Foot command |
Skirmishers (Ps) | AGA4 Celtic archers |
By the Punic wars I assume Cavalry would be more likely than Chariots
II/32a Later Carthaginian 275-202BC
General (Cv) | ACR6 Heavy cavalry, ACR14 Hannibal (1) |
Cavalry (Cv) | ACR6 Heavy cavalry |
Elephant (El) | ACR9 Elephant, with howdah and crew (2) |
Light horse (LH) | ACR7 Numidian cavalry??? |
Numidians (LH) | ACR7 Numidian cavalry |
Libyan or Poeni spearmen (Sp) | ACR3 Citizen Spearmen, shield, ACR1 Foot command |
Spanish scutati or Ligurians (4Ax) | ASP2 Scutarii with sword and spear |
Gauls (4WB/4Ax) | AGA1 Celtic Warband |
African or Spanish javelinmen (Ps) | ACR13 Libyan Spearmen |
Slingers (Ps) | AGA5 Slingers |
Any suggestions for non-Numidian Carthaginian light horse?
II/33 Polybian Roman 275-105BC
General (Cv) | ARR10 Roman Cavalry, ARR11 Scipio (1) |
Equites (Cv) | ARR10 Roman Cavalry |
Hastati (4Bd) | ARR2 Hastatii, pilum, ARR1 Foot command |
Principes (4Bd) | ARR3 Principes, pilum/sword, ARR1 Foot command |
Allies (3/4Ax) | ARR9 Italian Allies |
Triarii (Sp) | ARR4 Triarii, spear, ARR1 Foot command |
Velites (Ps) | ARR5 Velites, javelin |
Any other suggestions for the Allies? (There are only 2 poses in ARR9)
II/39a Iberian 240-20BC
General (Cv) | ASP6 Heavy cavalry, ASP9 Mounted general (1) |
Round shield cavalry (LH) | ASP5 Light cavalry |
Scutarii (3/4Ax) | ASP2 Scutarii with sword and spear, ASP1 Foot command |
Caetrati (Ps) | ASP3 Caetratus with javelin |
Numidian?
A favourite of mine.
Syracuse, home of that Eureka bloke...
A Numidian army can be pretty deadly on an open field. It probably also gets the gold medal for "Most frequently mis-painted army" as well. ;D :'(
There don't appear to be that many Numidian figures in the Pendraken range...
There are some, and Steve Barber, Magister Militum, Newlines, and Irregular Miniatures all have a few.
Et tu, Pauli's?
Elephant? Did someone say Elephant? I think it should be named, "Cersei.
Quote from: d_Guy on 15 December 2019, 02:25:54 PM
Et tu, Pauli's?
That reference is a bit too modern for this project ;)
Quote from: d_Guy on 15 December 2019, 02:25:54 PM
Elephant? Did someone say Elephant? I think it should be named, "Cersei.
:-/
Quote from: paulr on 15 December 2019, 06:40:58 PM
:-/
Sorry, a Game of Thrones reference from season 8, which is now a popular theme amongst GoT fans. Queen Cersei, she really wanted elephants in her army.
Point taken on anachronistic reference. Let’s go with
Elephanti delenda est :D
A very interesting period - look forward to following your painting diary for same.
Quote from: d_Guy on 15 December 2019, 07:33:14 PM
Sorry, a Game of Thrones reference from season 8, which is now a popular theme amongst GoT fans. Queen Cersei, she really wanted elephants in her army.
Point taken on anachronistic reference. Let's go with Elephanti delenda est :D
A very interesting period - look forward to following your painting diary for same.
ARRGGHHHHH!!!!!! Flippin spoilers I am about to watch season 6. Any m,ore of then d_Guy and I will send Nobby to stay with you for a few weeks. :)
elephanti delendi sunt
Quote from: Orcs on 15 December 2019, 07:51:14 PM
ARRGGHHHHH!!!!!! Flippin spoilers I am about to watch season 6. Any m,ore of then d_Guy and I will send Nobby to stay with you for a few weeks. :)
Who's to say he's not here already! (Enjoy 6, 7, 8 and mum's the word. :) )
I'm looking for Pendraken proxies rather than using another manufacturer for some of the troops for 4 of the armies.
II/8a Bruttian or Lucanian 420-203BC and II/8c Apulian 420-206BC
I need quite a few Warriors (Auxilia) I'm thinking of using ARR9 Italian Allies and/or ARL6 Unarmoured, attacking, mixed weapons. As there are only 2 poses in ARR9.
Perhaps the warriors should look more Greek, unarmoured Hoplites...
ARR9 (https://pendraken.co.uk/_img/products/41/ARR9.jpg) ARL6 (https://pendraken.co.uk/_img/products/109/ARL6.jpg)
Would ARL10 Militia be suitable for Peasants (Horde), or are they too well equipped?
ARL10 (https://pendraken.co.uk/_img/products/113/ARL10.jpg)
And I not sure about either ACR2 Javelinmen, shield / ARL1 Unarmoured, standing, spear for the Javelinmen (Psiloi).
ACR2 (https://pendraken.co.uk/_img/products/46/ACR2.jpg) ARL1 (https://pendraken.co.uk/_img/products/104/ARL1.jpg)
II/9a Syracuse in Sicily 410-210BC
Is the ADA6 Ballista with crew appropriate for a Syracuse bolt-shooter or is the design totally wrong?
Any suggestions for more Greek looking crew for the bolt shooter?
(https://pendraken.co.uk/_img/products/4859/ADA6.jpg)
II/32a Later Carthaginian 275-202BC
Any suggestions for figures for non-Numidian Carthaginian light horse?
II/33 Polybian Roman 275-105BC
Any other suggestions for the Italian Allies? (There are only 2 poses in ARR9 as mentioned above). Would ARL6 Unarmoured, attacking, mixed weapons or ARL1 Unarmoured, standing, spear mentioned above be suitable?
Thanks in advance for any thoughts or suggestions
For peasant hordes I've two suggestions
1. Anglo-Saxon AS5 Levy / peasant foot painted as if in tunic and boots
2. Colonial SC5 Mahdists shaven head with the swordsman converted to wielding a club
The former are a bit too hairy, the latter a bit too bald .... maybe a mix of the two? :)
For Psiloi I'd use GRE10 Javelinmen
GRE9 Light hoplite with spear or the ACR5 Iberian Auxiliaries, spear/sword figure with spear might do for Italians - moreso than Late Romans IMHO.
Thanks Ithoriel, some useful suggestions
I'm going to wait until Leon releases the new Greeks :-w :!! :-w
I suspect two of the previewed 'Psiloi Skirmiishers x 3' will be the new equivalent of GRE10
and the previewed 'Unarmoured Hoplites x 2' will be the equivalent of GRE9
http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,18228.msg272448.html#msg272448 (http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,18228.msg272448.html#msg272448)
One of the things I'm trying avoid is using the same figures in too many armies, ACR5 is a useful option as I'm not using those in the Carthaginian army
I'm using ASP2 Scutarii with sword and spear for the Spanish troops in the Carthaginian army even though they are also in the II/39a Iberian, II/39b Celtiberian armies as they are 'imports' from those armies
I've pretty much settled on my order for the armies :) :-B @-)
I now need to turn my attention to the camps, each camp will be on a 80x40mm base
There will be one for each army:
- Siciliot
- Bruttian or Lucanian / Apulian
- Syracuse in Sicily
- Gallic
- Later Carthaginian x2
- Polybian Roman x2
- Iberian x2
I'm open to suggestions
I was wondering about these:
SCN-NML15 Horses, baggage
(https://pendraken.co.uk/_img/products/4469/SCN-NML15.jpg)
SCN-TNT4 Command tents (x2)
(https://pendraken.co.uk/_img/products/4294/SCN-TNT4.jpg)
SCN-TNT2 Medieval tents (2)
(https://pendraken.co.uk/_img/products/3476/SCN-MED2.jpg)
DAX1 Dark Age civilian group (5)
(https://pendraken.co.uk/_img/products/176/DAX1.JPG)
Maybe remove the latern from the figure on the left and have him leading a pack horse :-\
All suggestions welcome
The various 'farm' animals are good for camps,I particularly like the geese and cats
There are civilians in the Sudan range and the Mongol range - would be worth a look to see if any fit clothing wise.
(https://pendraken.co.uk/_img/products/1542/SC13.jpg)
MUT24 Indian civilians (30) might provide some suitable figures ... though the guy with the turban might need a head swap :)
(https://pendraken.co.uk/_img/products/4834/MUT24.jpg)
As I start to do my painting research for the Punic wars project I'm thinking about skin tone and hair colours
I typically use Vallejo 955 Flat Flesh highlighted with 845 Sunny Skin Tone and stereo-typically would use 867 Dark Blue Grey for hair for 'Mediterranean types'
I'm interested in any feedback on 'nationalities' that would vary significantly from this
The 'nationalities' included in the armies I'm doing:
Romans
Carthaginian
Poeni
Libyan
Numidians
Iberian / Celtiberian
Siciliot
Gauls
Bruttian, Lucanian, Apulian
Syracuse
Tarentines