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Title: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 20 July 2018, 01:53:28 PM
Afternoon chaps.

There's a Facebook group called the "Friends of the Tank Museum". Has lots of good photos posted - best reason for being on Facebook.   

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CN-p7i-UAAA0fFS.jpg)
A Swiss 24mm Tankbusche 41 being towed by a soldier on a bicycle. The Tb41 was a semi-automatic weapon with a six round magazine, but given it was introduced in 1941, it would soon be outclassed by improvements in tank armour

They currently seem to be posting a lot of British NW Europe photos not available elsewhere that I can find.

Recommended.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 30 August 2018, 07:43:33 AM
While we're on Facebook, I can also heartyily recommend the WWII Tanks /Armoured Cars channel. It's a bit select so not everyone gets on it, but they have lots of unusual and interesting photos.

THE ITALIAN CAMPAIGN 1944.
A Grant ARV of the New Zealand Division lifts a Daimler scout car which had become bogged down in the mud near Faenza, 7 February 1945.
Lambert (Sergeant): No. 1 Army Film & Photographic Unit
© IWM (NA 22176)


THE ITALIAN CAMPAIGN 1944.
Men from 40th Royal Tank Regiment try out a captured German StuG III assault gun, 14 September 1943.
Lambert (Sergeant): No. 1 Army Film & Photographic Unit
© IWM (NA 6864)

COMMONWEALTH FORCES IN NORTH AFRICA 1941.
New Zealanders take prisoner the crew of a Matilda tank, captured by the Germans and used in an attempt to break through the Allied lines,
during which it was knocked out by an anti-tank gun, 3 December 1941.
Silk G (Australian Photo Unit).

Highly recommended
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 30 August 2018, 09:22:25 PM
You might only see these if you're on Facebook
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Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: paulr on 30 August 2018, 11:31:21 PM
That middle picture doesn't match up with the caption above :-/
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: lowlylowlycook on 31 August 2018, 03:55:24 AM
I'm not of facebook and I see pictures but no captions.  Huh.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Techno on 31 August 2018, 07:29:05 AM
I'm the same as 'Cookie'. (Pictures, but no captions) :-\

Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 31 August 2018, 07:42:31 AM
Captions are in previous post. HOWEVER, I got bored with the StuG so the middle caption is:

"The village hall and local school - used in July 1942 to quarter the Panzerspähkompanie (armoured recce company) of the Aufklärungsabteilung 'LSSAH' - is now partly boarded up, but otherwise little has changed in the Rue du Pavé du Roy in the small village of Maison-Rouge.

Between the 17th and the 26th of July the trains from the Ukraine arrived at the stations of Versailles-Melun and Fontainbleau, cities in the Île-de-France region which includes Paris. The Aufklärungsabteilung 'LSSAH' was on the first trains and had to wait in the area until the division was complete. In the photos several Sd.Kfz. 232's, 222's and a 221 modified with a Panzerbüchse."
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 01 September 2018, 02:53:30 PM
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BRITISH TANKS AND ARMOURED FIGHTING VEHICLES 1939-45.
The Axis retreat and the Tunisian campaign 1942 - 1943:
A British tank crosses a wide ditch outside Mersa Matruh just before the fall of the town.
Keating, Geoffrey (Major): No. 1 Army Film & Photographic Unit
© IWM (E 19315)

Facebook - WWII Tanks / Armoured Cars
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 02 September 2018, 12:28:33 PM
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THE BRITISH ARMY IN NORTH AFRICA 1943.
25-pdr field guns and 'Quad' artillery tractors parade past Winston Churchill during his visit to Tripoli to thank the 8th Army for its success in the North African campaign, 4 February 1943.
Silverside, John (Sgt).

Who's that at the back, left? Sailors plus some chap in a kilt?


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We generally think of the Matilda II as an "early war" tank, and it is best known for its contribution to the 1940/41 desert campaign, where it was actually better armoured than the versions of the Panzer III and IV then in service. However, it was left behind as German tanks an AT guns improved. It soldiered on until the end of the war in Australian service in the far east, where the lighter Japanese guns and tanks meant it was still a viable design, and its low speed was not a problem. The standard Matilda II had a 2pdr AT gun, which lacked a decent HE round, but Australian units deployed a high proportion of the close support version, armed with a 3in howitzer. The vehicle pictured is on Bougainville in 1945; note that the infantry riding on it have the unique Australian Owen SMGs
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Speedy of Leighton on 02 September 2018, 01:23:17 PM
Chap front left might be a marinevsecinded from a Scottish unit@
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 15 September 2018, 09:17:41 AM
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Bundesarchiv Bild 101I-526-2323-26A, Balkan, italienischer Spähpanzer.
Balkan.- Soldier in the tower of an Italian armored car; PK Lw Kda Southeast
Date: 1943.
Photographer: Reich
Propagandakompanien der Wehrmacht - Heer und Luftwaffe (Bild 101 I)
Bild 101I-526-2323-26A
Source: German Federal Archives


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Bundesarchiv Bild 101I-299-1804-07, Nordfrankreich, Panzer VI (Tiger I).
Northern France, Gournay - Morgny - four Panzer VI "Tiger I" (tower number 205) of the SS-Panzerkorps "Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler" on the street; PK 698
Date: 21 March 1944.
Photographer: Scheck
Propagandakompanien der Wehrmacht - Heer und Luftwaffe (Bild 101 I)
Bild 101I-299-1804-07
Source: German Federal Archives
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Womble67 on 15 September 2018, 09:57:31 AM
Some excellent pictures there

Take care

Andy
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 01 October 2018, 08:48:47 PM
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Bundesarchiv Bild 101I-163-0328-15, Greece, Panzer I B mit I.G. 33.
German sIG 33 gun on Pz.Kpfw. I chassis, DKW NZ350 motorbike in Greece 1941. Original caption reads: Greece - Heavy Infantry-Gun 33 on Panzer I chassis type B of the 5th Panzerdivision[1], PK 690
Date: April 1941

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Bundesarchiv Bild 101I-175-1268-20A, Greece, Panzer IV.
Balkans, Greece.- Panzer IV Ausf G (number 733, with 7.5 cm L / 48), stuck in the mud, is pulled out by other Panzer IV (number 734); Crews watch; PK 690
Date: 1941
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Speedy of Leighton on 01 October 2018, 10:41:51 PM
Bit bogged down!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: paulr on 01 October 2018, 11:53:05 PM
Looks like a training exercise. either that or half the company has turned up to laugh at the idiot who got stuck ;) ;D
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Womble67 on 02 October 2018, 10:39:25 AM
That looks well and truly stuck,

Quote from: paulr on 01 October 2018, 11:53:05 PM
Looks like a training exercise. either that or half the company has turned up to laugh at the idiot who got stuck ;) ;D

If it was a training exercise it would certainly come in for Russia

Take care

Andy
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Womble67 on 02 October 2018, 10:46:46 AM
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/63/69/f0/6369f02c6e0e03eb776ac7b9961a2949.jpg)

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Take care

Andy
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 06 October 2018, 05:21:42 PM
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THE BRITISH ARMY IN ITALY 1944.
The crew of an upended Sherman tank of 7th Armoured Brigade enjoy a 'brew' beside their vehicle while waiting for a recovery team, Gothic Line, 13 September 1944. Their tank overturned after slipping off a narrow road in the dark.



It's amazing how many photos of British troops have them brewing up.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 06 October 2018, 05:34:35 PM
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We can spend a good deal of time researching what paint colour and pattern was supposed to be used by a particular army in a particular theatre.....and then find somebody in the field seems to have completely ignored it. This is "Sheikh" of the Scots Greys, in Italy in September 1943 (IWM NA 7457)


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THE BRITISH ARMY IN ITALY 1944.
Canadian gunners un-hitch their 6-pdr anti-tank gun from the rear of a Sherman tank of the 12th Canadian Armoured Regiment (Three Rivers), 17 January 1944.


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THE BRITISH ARMY IN NORTH AFRICA 1943.
The crew of a Humber Mk II armoured car open fire against enemy aircraft. Bombs can be seen exploding in the distance, 4 January 1943.


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ROYAL AIR FORCE OPERATIONS IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND NORTH AFRICA, 1939-1943.
The crew of a Fordson Armoured Car of No. 2 Armoured Car Company RAF boil a kettle on a spirit stove for a 'brew up' during a halt while on patrol in the Western Desert.



Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Womble67 on 06 October 2018, 06:03:28 PM
Some good pictures there

Take care

Andy
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Matt J on 06 October 2018, 08:45:57 PM
In the third picture everyone is blazing away apart from the guy on the floor checking his phone  :o :)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Speedy of Leighton on 06 October 2018, 08:55:36 PM
You brewed up because you didn't know how clean the water was...
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 07 October 2018, 10:20:52 AM
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Though the British Army had switched much of its transport to motor lorries by the end if the Great War, they were not able to pull really heavy loads. In such cases steam traction engines were used, for their greater pulling power. This one is pulling a 7.5in Mk III Breech loading gun. 14 of these formed the secondary armament of the pre-dreadnought battleship HMS Swiftsure, and when she was decommissioned her guns were emplaced as coast defence weapons in Britain, used to bombard German batteries on the Western Front, or refitted as the main armament aboard some of the M15-class monitors
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 07 October 2018, 10:23:11 AM
Quote from: mad lemmey on 06 October 2018, 08:55:36 PM
You brewed up because you didn't know how clean the water was...
No. You brewed up because it's the British thing to do!  :P

Quote from: Matt J on 06 October 2018, 08:45:57 PM
In the third picture everyone is blazing away apart from the guy on the floor checking his phone  :o :)
I wondered about him.  From the can in front of him, I think he's just about to get a brew on.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Techno on 07 October 2018, 10:33:54 AM
THAT is a big gun !  :o

Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 07 October 2018, 10:41:05 AM
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-kAUw7IzWGnw/T6NFaKR2wDI/AAAAAAAAH7Y/Y1GPm7fmzi8/s640/Gracie+Fields+hands+out+tea+to+the+troops+in+a+village+near+Valenciennes,+one+of+whom+has+a+pet+monkey+on+his+shoulder,+26+April+1940.jpg)
A woman hands out tea to soldiers (and their pet monkey) at a town in France, 1940.  (Is that Gracie Fields?)

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A British soldier with the 2/7th Middlesex Regiment shares a cup of tea with an American infantryman in the Anzio bridgehead, Feb. 10, 1944

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Members of 12th Parachute Battalion, 5th Parachute Brigade, 6th Airborne Division, enjoy a cup of tea after fighting their way back to their own lines near Ranville after three days behind enemy lines, June 10, 1944

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Churchill AVRE crew, brewing up near Venlo, Nov. 30, 1944

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A soldier lights up a cigarette in his foxhole, 27 December 1944. Next to him a mess tin of water is boiling on a "Newscaven stove", a simple petrol vapour stove made from a 25lb shell case, invented by three RASC officers.

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Troops get mugs of tea while waiting to embark on ships to Sicily, Egypt, 1943

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24 April 1944: Chindits making tea at their jungle bivouac
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 21 October 2018, 08:49:17 AM
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Tank commander Cpl Harry Stephenson of Cardiff, Wales, leans down from the turret of his Valentine tank, 11th Armoured Div, to speak to 5-year-old Pat Brooker in the village of Rottingdean, Sussex, England, 25th June 1942. (IWM)

Just thought this was cute.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 21 October 2018, 08:55:10 AM
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Universal Carriers of the 2nd Bn, The Loyal Regt during field training, Malaya, October 1941. (IWM)

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An Indian soldier guards a former Japanese converted Universal carrier, used by Indonesian nationalists until knocked out by British forces during the figthing in Surabaya (Soerabaja). Java, October 1945. (IWM)

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Australian Sappers (Spr's), 2/9 Field (Fd) Company (Coy), Royal Australian Engineers (RAE), who having just cleared a road section of the "Vasey Highway" of mines, stand to one side as a Matilda of the 1st Australian Armd Regt passes through. Balikpapan, Borneo. 2nd July 1945. (AWM)

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A flame throwing Matilda tank from 1st Australian Armd Regt, attacking a Japanese bunker set in the side of a road. The tanks are supporting A Coy, 2/10th Australian Inf Bn, on the OBOE 2 Operations. Balikpapan, Borneo. 3rd July 1945. (AWM)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 22 October 2018, 08:35:35 PM
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THE BRITISH ARMY IN THE NORMANDY CAMPAIGN 1944.
Churchill AVRE entering Geilenkirchen, 19 November 1944

As a side note - I used to live in Geilenkirchen.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fred. on 22 October 2018, 09:03:30 PM
I do like a Churchill AVRE
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: paulr on 22 October 2018, 09:10:20 PM
Geilenkirchen doesn't sound like it's in Normandy ;)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 02 November 2018, 09:16:54 PM
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THE BRITISH ARMY IN ITALY 1944.
A 17-pdr anti-tank gun and crew near Cassino, 17 May 1944. A Sherman tank can be seen in the background.



Can't help thinking that chap with the binos i going to get a frightful shock if someone pulls the trigger on the 17pdr.   
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 02 November 2018, 09:20:13 PM
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THE BRITISH ARMY IN ITALY 1944.
M10 tank destroyers of 'A' Troop, 111st Battery, 72nd Anti-Tank Regiment, 6th Armoured Division, in the Arno valley near Florence, 11 - 14 August 1944.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 03 November 2018, 09:51:20 AM
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The Fiat 2000 was the first Italian tank. It was notably large and heavy (40 tons, versus 28 for a British Mk V) and was armed with a 65mm howitzer in a rotating turret and no less than 10 machine guns. However, only two prototypes were produced before the war ended, and the remainder of the original order of 50 was cancelled. Attempts to use the two prototypes in the colonial war in Libya was unsuccessful due to its speed, which was low even by Great War standards
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Steve J on 03 November 2018, 09:54:19 AM
I knew it was large, but didn't realise quite how large!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 03 November 2018, 09:57:58 AM
I've heard that before.



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Many, many BTRs. As an aside, this is the photo you should point to whenever someone tells you that the shade of "Soviet green" you've used on your model isn't quite right  :)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: howayman on 03 November 2018, 03:00:06 PM
Those are some great photos.
That last one is the advert for We Buy Any BTR . com (mee)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: lowlylowlycook on 03 November 2018, 03:22:18 PM
Quote from: fsn on 03 November 2018, 09:51:20 AM
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The Fiat 2000 was the first Italian tank. It was notably large and heavy (40 tons, versus 28 for a British Mk V) and was armed with a 65mm howitzer in a rotating turret and no less than 10 machine guns. However, only two prototypes were produced before the war ended, and the remainder of the original order of 50 was cancelled. Attempts to use the two prototypes in the colonial war in Libya was unsuccessful due to its speed, which was low even by Great War standards

I think you could probably drive a CV33 underneath this.  Would make for a comidramatical entrance to the battlefield.   
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 04 November 2018, 05:25:56 PM
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THE BRITISH ARMY IN ITALY 1944.
Sherman tanks of 46th Royal Tank Regiment and a German 155mm gun, captured by the 2nd North Staffordshire Regiment, 23 January 1944. The gun was a vintage First World War French piece.

(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/45370957_2196124310418795_3704816026202931200_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr3-1.xx&oh=fa1bd24e98b77c19d0706c41c04f34f5&oe=5C738916)
A Sherman tank of 46th Royal Tank Regiment towing a German 155mm gun, captured by the 2nd North Staffordshire Regiment, 23 January 1944. The gun was a vintage First World War French piece.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 08 November 2018, 06:54:14 AM
Quote from: fsn on 03 November 2018, 09:57:58 AM
I've heard that before.



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Many, many BTRs. As an aside, this is the photo you should point to whenever someone tells you that the shade of "Soviet green" you've used on your model isn't quite right  :)

Another great Flames of War scenario.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: paulr on 08 November 2018, 07:00:23 AM
 ;D ;D ;D

I think you mean "Team Yankee"
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Steve J on 08 November 2018, 08:19:14 AM
Very drole :D
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 08 November 2018, 08:48:08 AM
o make it serious again, none of the British tanks in the pictures have any white stars on them, how common was that ?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 08 November 2018, 11:12:22 AM
That, Sir, is a good point.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fred. on 08 November 2018, 12:55:06 PM
Quote from: ianrs54 on 08 November 2018, 08:48:08 AM
o make it serious again, none of the British tanks in the pictures have any white stars on them, how common was that ?

In NWE I thought white stars on the sides of British tanks was very rare. As they were perceived as aiming points for German gunners. White stars on top where much more common - as virtually all aircraft where allied so it was good to show you were friendly.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 08 November 2018, 01:09:53 PM
Pretty much what I thought. something on Yesterday during the week showed US M4's apparently cammoed with the turret and hull stars painted out in a darker colour - black as a supposition.

Ian S
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 08 November 2018, 01:58:33 PM
Yup. Although they were more common in Italy, my sources describe them as "air recognition panels".
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Steve J on 08 November 2018, 03:36:15 PM
Side stars painted out quite quickly after landing. Unit markings varied as replacement tanks came 'blank' as it were. For air recognition, (pink?) fluorescent cloth panels were used IIRC.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 09 November 2018, 08:37:34 AM
There were two colours of panel - orange or Yellow. Problem with those was that on lots of vehicles there was just no space to display them - carriers for instance often had a circled star on a plate to tie on top of the stowage.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 29 November 2018, 09:14:07 PM
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/45331793_2248768198676518_4418376150389096448_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr3-1.xx&oh=90efe653efa19d5d7d3a45eba4dc9ca3&oe=5C6C9996)

Somebody's going to get a rather severe talking to over this, I think....


Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: lowlylowlycook on 30 November 2018, 09:30:14 PM
Nah that is just the easiest way to scrape the barnacles off the bottom of the land ships.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 06 December 2018, 08:26:13 PM
It's an opportunity, not a SNAFU.

Think of the improved main gun elevation.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 02 February 2019, 09:21:00 AM
Centurion Mk.12 Waterloo at Tankfest 2018 part one.  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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So prettttyy!  :x
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 15 March 2019, 10:16:10 PM
Sherman tanks and transport of 8th Armoured Brigade moving through Kevelaer, Germany, 4 March 1945.
Creator: Hutchinson (Sgt), No. 5 Army Film & Photographic Unit.
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A surrendered German soldier and civilians watch a Daimler armoured car of the 1st Royal Dragoons in Kiel, 8 May 1945.
Creator: Handford (Lt), No. 5 Army Film & Photographic Unit.
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Bundesarchiv Bild 101I-748-0100-33, Russia, Schützenpanzer division Großdeutschland.
Russia, at Achtyrka.- Two leichte Schützenpanzer (including Sd.Kfz 250/2) of the Panzergrenadier Division Grossdeutschland in the area, soldier watching with binoculars; PK ObdH
Date: May 1942 (end) or 1942-06 (early).
Photographer: Kempe. Propagandakompanien der Wehrmacht - Heer und Luftwaffe (Bild 101 I)
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ROYAL AIR FORCE OPERATIONS IN MALTA, GIBRALTAR AND THE MEDITERRANEAN, 1940-1945.
A Bren gun carrier of the Malta Garrison tows a trolley-load of 250-lb GP bombs to a Vickers Wellington in its dispersal at Luqa.
Creator: Royal Air Force official photographer.
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Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 04 May 2019, 08:26:31 PM
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"US forces found flame tanks very useful for dealing with Japanese bunkers during the pacific war, and several flame tank versions of the M3 Stuart light tank and M4 Sherman medium tank were used. Most of the M3 based designs (such as the M3A1 Satan) mounted the flame gun in place of the 37mm main armament, and stowed the fuel internally. However, the M5-based E9-9 mounted its flame gun between the drive sprockets, and carried its fuel in a crocodile-style armoured trailer towed behind the tank. This carried 800 gallons of flame fuel, and at 12 tons was nearly as big as the tank itself. Unfortunately, the 1943 prototype suffered a catastrophic explosion which destroyed the vehicle and killed the crew, leading to the design being abandoned."


Looks a bit too big to me.  :-\
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Wulf on 04 May 2019, 10:45:31 PM
Those are seriously big tyres, apart from anything else...
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 25 May 2019, 10:43:12 AM
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A nice photo of a British Matilda II with "sunsheild" disguise. This was a metal framework covered with canvas which disguised the tank as a truck to fool air reconnaissance in the Western Desert. The "Sunsheild" was hinged at the sides and secured by pins on the centreline, allowing the disguise to be quickly shed when necessary


I may be projecting, but that chap does look like he's been caught doing something shifty  ;D
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 25 May 2019, 10:45:52 AM
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/61340597_2513507115347178_2275672685025427456_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr3-1.xx&oh=f54212ecf565b92e5fbf7b6a70829180&oe=5D5F5E20)

A scissors bridge laid down over a damaged road bridge near Meiktila by a Valentine bridgelayer of the 3rd Independent Bridge Building Company, Royal Armoured Corps, 28 March 1945.

Creator: Stubbs A (Sgt), No. 9 Army Film & Photographic Unit.


Interesting the stars on the roadway.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 25 May 2019, 04:04:50 PM
Quote from: fsn on 25 May 2019, 10:43:12 AM
A nice photo of a British Matilda II with "sunsheild" disguise. This was a metal framework covered with canvas which disguised the tank as a truck to fool air reconnaissance in the Western Desert. The "Sunsheild" was hinged at the sides and secured by pins on the centreline, allowing the disguise to be quickly shed when necessary

May I just point out that I copy and pasted the text - I have just noticed the spelling of shield. Twice.  >:(
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: paulr on 26 May 2019, 02:38:28 AM
Quote from: fsn on 25 May 2019, 10:45:52 AM
Interesting the stars on the roadway.

An attempt to stop the Americans from bombing/straffing it perhaps ;)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 26 May 2019, 03:03:20 PM
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British troops including men of 1st London Irish Rifles clamber over captured German tanks at an exhibition of enemy equipment in Forli, 30 January 1945. The sign advertising the exhibition features the 'Two Types' cartoon characters made famous by the '8th Army News'. Vehicles on display include a Tiger I, Pzkpfw IV and Nashorn self-propelled gun.

Creator: Dawson (Sergeant): No. 2 Army Film & Photographic Unit.


I almost wish I still made dioramas.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Raider4 on 27 May 2019, 08:29:36 AM
Quote from: paulr on 26 May 2019, 02:38:28 AM
An attempt to stop the Americans from bombing/straffing it perhaps ;)

Probably there for when the bridge was being carried around on top of the Valentine. Most (all?) allied vehicles had stars on top (a feature rarely modelled, I feel) in NWE.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 27 May 2019, 08:43:58 AM
If you look closely, the bridge is still attached to the Valentine.

ianS
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 11 June 2019, 10:12:41 PM
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CANADIAN FORCES IN THE UNITED KINGDOM 1939-45.

Churchill tanks during Exercise 'Spartan', 9 March 1943. Leading vehicle is a Mk I with hull-mounted 3-inch gun, retrofitted with full track guards.

Creator: Hardy, Bert (Sergeant), War Office official photographer.


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A Sherman tank of the 1st Armoured Regiment (10th Armoured Cavalry Brigade, 1st Polish Armoured Division) leaving LST and being driven onto a LST pierhead of the Mulberry artificial harbour via buffer pontoon at Arromanches, 26-28 July 1944. Note a HQ Sherman tank in the background.

Creator: Harrison (Sgt) (Photographer), No. 5 Army Film & Photographic Unit (Undefined).

(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/62444408_2545346465496576_6483306360841699328_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr3-1.xx&oh=ba78145c1307582a27f2447d4bdd6cde&oe=5D8BE1B6)
THE POLISH ARMY IN BRITAIN, 1940-47.

A tank commander of the 2nd Battalion, 1st Tank Regiment (1st Polish Corps) with his crew planning their next move during a military exercise. The tank is Valentine Mark III. Photograph taken at Dundee during a combined Military and Civil anti-invasion exercise held in the Scottish Command, 11 August 1941. The troops taking part were mainly Polish forces and Allied naval units.

Creator: Lockeyear, W. T. (Captain), War Office official photographer.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 15 June 2019, 08:46:24 AM
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/64270942_2551072651590624_7756476744894251008_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr3-1.xx&oh=4bcee4f8c68a296bb009d1fd7d91543c&oe=5D914577)

FLAMETHROWERS IN ACTION, AUGUST 1944.

Wasp flamethrowers fitted to standard bullet-proof carriers in action. These flamethrowers had a range exceeding 150 yards.

Creator: War Office official photographer.


Pretty. :-[
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Raider4 on 15 June 2019, 02:21:38 PM
Quote from: fsn on 15 June 2019, 08:46:24 AM
. . . bullet-proof carriers . . .

Never heard them called that before!

Nice pic though.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 15 June 2019, 03:07:24 PM
Is that a Vickers Medium they're missing?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: paulr on 15 June 2019, 07:49:34 PM
Looks like it :-\

They're only pretty from this side
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 07 July 2019, 10:37:23 AM
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The Czech-designer Panzer 38(t) had served the Germans well in the early years of the war, both from the stock captured with the fall of Czechoslovakia and with examples built under German control. By 1943, however, it was obsolete as a gun tank, and most were withdrawn to be converted into Hetzer tank destroyers. For some 60-70 of them, however, a different conversion awaited. German medium recce units had originally used wheeled armoured cars of half tracks, and these proved inadequate in the poor conditions of the Eastern Front. To meet this need for a fully tracked recce vehicle, these were converted into "Aufklarungspanzer 38(T)" - roughly "Reconnaissance tank 38 (t)" - by replacing their turrets with the open topped turret used on the sdkfz 222 and sdkfz 234 armoured cars. This mounted a 2cm gun and coaxial MG, and significantly lightened the vehicle compared to the original turret, improving speed and cross country performance

Did  not know about this one.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Ithoriel on 07 July 2019, 12:02:57 PM
A tank I've hankered after a 10mm version of, for quite some time.

Now that I have a 203mm tracked howitzer, the Aufklarungspanzer 38(T) and the SG-122 are next on my "I wish someone I could deal with made this in 10mm" list.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a0/b2/12/a0b212e83d69db647d46e7ac1c1213b2.jpg)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fred. on 07 July 2019, 01:31:41 PM
Quote from: Ithoriel on 07 July 2019, 12:02:57 PM
A tank I've hankered after a 10mm version of, for quite some time.

...., the Aufklarungspanzer 38(T)

Surely this is one of the easiest options of a manufacturer to offer if the have the hull, as its a simple real world mating of a hull and a turret. I suspect if you bought a 38(T) Leon would sell you a 222 turret.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Ithoriel on 07 July 2019, 01:38:30 PM
The hulls are different. Figure conversions I can do but hard edge stuff at that scale defeats me.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fred. on 07 July 2019, 02:28:39 PM
Hadn't realised the hull was different- but on another look the superstructure looks more boxy and built up
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Wulf on 07 July 2019, 05:23:13 PM
The SG-122 is not, as far as I'm aware, available to 3d print. The Ausflippitydoda 38(t), however, is...

(https://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah199/WulfC/snap020_zpso66pvrro.jpg) (https://s1380.photobucket.com/user/WulfC/media/snap020_zpso66pvrro.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 12 July 2019, 06:28:18 PM
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/65308370_2404264413126895_7606908176713121792_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_oc=AQn61M6sJKIWVW3PNBzXYSMHiwDsZl9HqbZFt9sEUvXtbL5p0y7cCTrdte05sOyIJK8&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr3-1.xx&oh=fffc8afc623f9b54e401bdf4bd1b995a&oe=5DBFC096)

Sometimes when searching for photos for this page, we come across some rather unexpected images. The IDF has deployed female tank crews in the past, and experimented again with in recent years. As of April 2019, the IDF has opted not to have women serve as part of tank crew.


Or Girl Wrestles Tank!

Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 13 July 2019, 08:42:49 AM
Having looked at this photo a bit more carefully, I have questions.

That turret does look a bit early war British Cruiser. Doesn't the bottom bit act as a nice shot trap?

Secondly, why does that tank have goosebumps? (Yes, I'd get them too if there was a girl hanging off my 120mm.) I'm assuming it's not rivets ... 'cos we know rivets are bad ... then I thought it was traction grips - but they're on the underside of the turret too - so I assume they're something to do with camouflage(?).

Sunray - please enlighten me.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Westmarcher on 13 July 2019, 10:03:23 AM
I am no expert but could this be removable modular armour attached to the original turret which lurks underneath like the German Leopard tank and designed to collapse, slowing down incoming projectiles especially RPG's?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 13 July 2019, 10:39:54 AM
https://www.quora.com/Why-do-many-modern-tanks-have-shot-traps (https://www.quora.com/Why-do-many-modern-tanks-have-shot-traps)

Apparently modern tanks don't have to worry about shot traps.

http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product261.html (http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product261.html)
And it's Ok to use bolts.

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Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 30 July 2019, 09:15:30 AM
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/65667172_2585048091526413_1036086535750942720_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_oc=AQmDYcDqTh0StfN8veemKufnDXCX1G4Ma4pFMDRlvhCVcMmcGwpkcWsDDY-CW6e1wlg&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr3-1.xx&oh=db8460d24a4ea8a4583caf979527fb1f&oe=5DAC04AF)

Cromwell tanks assemble for Operation 'Goodwood', 18 July 1944.


Interesting use of camouflage
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fred. on 30 July 2019, 12:37:09 PM
Cool photo.

While the front right tank is certainly a Cromwell. What is the front left one? It looks like Sherman lower hull and tracks, but the open front to the 'turret' looks strange. I also wonder if the 3 AFVs in the middle distance of the photo are the same? they seem to have the same flap at the top on the dark area underneath.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 30 July 2019, 12:45:55 PM
Its an M10, with the turret reversed I suspect !
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Westmarcher on 30 July 2019, 12:58:06 PM
Beat me to it. I'm also thinking M10 Achilles with turrets reversed (to provide some shelter over the front hatches?).
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 30 July 2019, 03:44:53 PM
Could still be the Wolverine, cant tell from the angle. Also 4 would indicate an attached SP AT troop.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fred. on 30 July 2019, 05:29:16 PM
Yes, could well be a M10 variant.

The left hand most one is the most confusing, with the shape, and were the chap is. The shape could be the rear. But I'm not sure where the man is. It looks more like an armoured car in many ways - apart fro the tracks. 
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 30 July 2019, 05:53:58 PM
Guy on the vehicle is in the co-drivers hatch
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fred. on 30 July 2019, 05:55:24 PM
Ah. In front of the turret then - the dark patches on the turret back, look like open hatches, which was throwing me. It look like the chap was in those.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Westmarcher on 30 July 2019, 06:42:10 PM
The counter-weight at the rear of the turret is shown below and at 0:20 on this video and at 1:13, you can see the same shape of hatch and mudguard.

Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 07 September 2019, 06:14:55 PM
Jordan unveils underwater museum of military vehicles.
Ninteen decommissioned pieces of military hardware have been submerged at depths of up to 92ft (28m)
The vehicles, imitating a battle formation, have been stationed at a coral reef in the Red Sea.

Local authorities said the display offers a "new type" of museum experience for visiting tourists.

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(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/69794093_2446692462217423_8614368209975377920_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_oc=AQmfdNrzjxWJtV7qy2qP6NylnZVF_yZfDNvL6yOM-JbrTeFx45gEzICLdY17yvnMiEw&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr3-1.xx&oh=718a0e85c7caaa0c1a4386bd16a0f097&oe=5DFC7B36)(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/69247694_2446692432217426_7208061244270444544_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_oc=AQkzB0VnQrqG66iiDPPcMVBHzCxGJsscfpECRPp0k7Is0hNIYxXdiNabRgEE0gxRa1o&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr3-1.xx&oh=9a44c72e1de9f81769998c974f02bf3c&oe=5DC8983B)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Westmarcher on 07 September 2019, 06:20:21 PM
What will archaeologists and future historians and geologists think when they find these 10,000 years into the future?  ;D
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Techno on 08 September 2019, 08:48:35 AM
The human race had managed to develop gills ?  :D

Won't the vehicles all get covered in coral ?...Mind you, there doesn't seem to be much evidence of a reef in those piccies.
I don't think they are decommissioned.....I reckon they're armed with torpedoes...... ready to sink any tankers that go over them.

Cheers - Mr Fake-News (Conspiracy Theorist) ;)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Ithoriel on 08 September 2019, 05:07:51 PM
Quote from: Westmarcher on 07 September 2019, 06:20:21 PM
What will archaeologists and future historians and geologists think when they find these 10,000 years into the future?  ;D

What they always think when faced with the inexplicable ... "This is clearly a ritual site" :)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 05 October 2019, 08:34:56 AM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/70789559_2465550566998279_2772917077701296128_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_oc=AQmbIy1arZMtsKJ7-onhnWkJeinitwC8beYRxetrcC9cNQsL9JUxWFtrrFs5RLVDT5Q&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=eb66ecaf394dcd4bd234cd7a2181b216&oe=5E3ACC95)


The A22 Churchill had been designed in haste, and early versions were notorious for mechanical problems. As a result, several replacement projects were considered, based on up-armored versions of the A27 Cromwell, then the best regarded of the British cruiser tanks available. The most viable – and the only one to make it off the drawing board – was the A33 Excelsior. This was essentially a Cromwell hull up-armoured to the same standard as the Churchill, but as the Cromwell suspension would be unable to take the increased weight, the first prototype used the suspension and tracks, The second prototype used widened Cromwell track and suspension, and different armoured side skirts. However, by this point many of the issues of the Churchill had been resolved, and the project was dropped. This is the second prototype, which survives at the Tank Museum
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Raider4 on 05 October 2019, 12:26:30 PM
Quote from: Ithoriel on 08 September 2019, 05:07:51 PM
What they always think when faced with the inexplicable ... "This is clearly a ritual site" :)

Ahh, Time Team at it's peak.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 03 November 2019, 07:10:11 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/74620841_2495944433958892_5876705705603366912_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_oc=AQlMhmg0mIWlXy6TBqLkG8q9G4gHPoUWQj4K0mufHbGsTkYlsvlEpqSz3tFL8NsH2R8&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=b838f7ce97a8de480be0e0d690481d89&oe=5E1AA076)


Two Churchill AVRE crewmen holding one of the 290mm demolition rounds fired by the AVRE's Petard gun. Intended to demolish bunkers and obstacles, the "flying dustbin" was a low velocity "Spigot Mortar" similar to a giant version of the infantry PIAT. It was loaded by breaking the barrel upwards like a shotgun and the new round upward through a sliding hatch that replaced one of the usual hull crew hatches. Postwar Churchill AVREs replaced the Petard with a more conventional 165mm gun
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 03 November 2019, 07:19:51 PM
From the Facebook Group "Royal Navy During WWII"
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/71776712_2773690562662164_2970771171462610944_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_oc=AQn2CxWqT7yuBc4nYAd5cqEi0w8pWEThz-Ylq15YyB2zr6R3a46B9DOLwYkgBAFEhyI&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=0d04b68d8462e2885806a08ed2619814&oe=5E4C5501)
THE BRITISH NAVY AND FLEET AIR ARM COMBINE WITH US LANDING FORCES IN NORTH AFRICAN LANDINGS. 6-9 NOVEMBER 1942.
Seen from the bridge of HMS FORMIDABLE are HMS RENOWN, NELSON, DUKE OF YORK and VICTORIOUS.

That's two versions of the Seafire, and is that an Albacore?


(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/72540846_2772278986136655_1322003427768664064_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_oc=AQl9t6oTJgSYRsPOwLCrwh980O3-Cq7BIVpK9koYKhE1v4Xe5COIeQUP1TLW0f5mU5Q&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=32347779ba71d64ede6c26726ac0a64d&oe=5E49426D)
THE ROYAL NAVY SUPPORTING ALLIED FORCES IN NORMANDY, JUNE 1944.
Starboard 4 inch guns of HMS BELFAST open fire on German positions around Ver-sur-Mer on the night of 27 June 1944.


Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: pierre the shy on 04 November 2019, 05:53:55 PM
Quote from: fsn on 03 November 2019, 07:19:51 PM
From the Facebook Group "Royal Navy During WWII"
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/71776712_2773690562662164_2970771171462610944_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_oc=AQn2CxWqT7yuBc4nYAd5cqEi0w8pWEThz-Ylq15YyB2zr6R3a46B9DOLwYkgBAFEhyI&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=0d04b68d8462e2885806a08ed2619814&oe=5E4C5501)
THE BRITISH NAVY AND FLEET AIR ARM COMBINE WITH US LANDING FORCES IN NORTH AFRICAN LANDINGS. 6-9 NOVEMBER 1942.
Seen from the bridge of HMS FORMIDABLE are HMS RENOWN, NELSON, DUKE OF YORK and VICTORIOUS.

That's two versions of the Seafire, and is that an Albacore?

Yes its an Albacore - if you look closely you can see the back of the canopy between the folded wings.

According to David Brown's "Carrier Operations of WW2" Formidable's air group for the Torch landings consisted of the following FAA units:

885 Squadron - 6 Seafire IIC
888 Squadron - 12 Martlet II
893 Squadron - 12 Martlet IV
820 Squadron - 12 Albacore

Martlet was the British name for the Grumman Wildcat.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 04 November 2019, 06:24:36 PM
Quote from: pierre the shy on 04 November 2019, 05:53:55 PM
Yes its an Albacore - if you look closely you can see the back of the canopy between the folded wings.

According to David Brown's "Carrier Operations of WW2" Formidable's air group for the Torch landings consisted of the following FAA units:

885 Squadron - 6 Seafire IIC
888 Squadron - 12 Martlet II
893 Squadron - 12 Martlet IV
820 Squadron - 12 Albacore

Martlet was the British name for the Grumman Wildcat.

By some accounts the Albacore was less popular than the Swordfish that it was intended to replace.

Given that it's a half squadron of Seafires, is it a sensible assumption that they were intended for a reconaissance role?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: pierre the shy on 04 November 2019, 09:58:46 PM
After battling through most of 1942 still being equipped with mainly Fulmars and Sea Hurricanes the FAA was keen to use their new Seafires starting out with Operation Torch. I think they would be in limited numbers due to it being their operational debut...but they were seen as 100% fighters.

Unfortunately due to their narrow track undercarrage Seafires had a very high attrition rate whenever flying off carriers from 1942 to 1950 (FR Mk 47's flew in the Korean War) but they were a superb fighter when in the air.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 22 November 2019, 10:42:55 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/78473584_2878111212220098_7849426206616190976_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ohc=tJBnMWwEV0gAQkHsryhBaA8GwjHr__evFeunwAxRh38d1-t694HK9olMA&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=0c25cfb53e60d4d0b657efba176599b1&oe=5E501BB0)

Battle of Amiens. A dump of German artillery guns and howitzers captured by the British Fourth Army, 27 August 1918. One in foreground was captured by the Australian Corps (note a message scribbled on the barrel - "Captured by Anzac Corps. What about the Tanks?"). Those in the foreground are all 21 cm Mörser 16 heavy howitzers.

Creator: McLellan, David (Second Lieutenant) (Photographer).
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 22 November 2019, 10:47:21 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/74452122_2878061888891697_5919231619910074368_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_ohc=WXc9U6HWJGgAQn3c_d2MdyY6iZC5tP-wtBYTx9iZCB5uoe3clJNVcMxuA&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=79f70ba9b2b5c40b32d08959daadbed5&oe=5E8037EA)

A British Mark IV female tank, captured and used by the Germans, blown up by a mine and destroyed by French artillery. North of Perthes, 2 October 1918.

Creator: French official photographer.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 12 January 2020, 04:14:43 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/82033224_2788767567875373_6982409117147070464_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_oc=AQmv7jWj7ti1yLUdTCATUAWSXAmZtNWSTaHCO2Kz8bmv0R7PyoT7t0itQZIDccLK8Rg&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=6db06ac6317129ad74a92c68929a2767&oe=5EA5CF02)

HMS ML 462 off of Sicily - July 1943

ML 462 was a Motor Launch of the Fairmile B class built by Dorset Yacht Co. Ltd. in Hamworthy, England, U.K.

Commissioned in December 1941
Sold in March 1959

The Fairmile B class boats were 112' long, had a top speed of 20 knots, and carried a normal crew of 16

721 were built and 55 were lost in WW2

They were used by the Royal Navy, Royal New Zealand Navy, Royal Indian Navy, Royal Canadian Navy, Royal Australian Navy, Free French Navy, Royal Dutch Navy, Royal Norwegian Navy, Royal Hellenic Navy, and eight were used by the U.S. Navy

LIFE Magazine - J R Eyerman Photographer
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 02 March 2020, 08:26:25 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/88237089_2890566814362114_2873455007900893184_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_sid=ca434c&_nc_oc=AQmvhDIglk3d-WrG_8_H5LDEXEwYMbTn0_NsFgcIcMblhtKg-e5wyKR3xTxFvJ36vKU&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=a02106c5ac9584df1e4a760367ea6974&oe=5EEBCBFC)

U.S. M15A1 Halftrack with 37mm & 2X .50 cal combination AA guns in Cherbourg France, August 1944
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: paulr on 03 March 2020, 03:29:39 AM
A strange combination of guns :-\

I would have thought the different ballistic characteristics would make getting concentrated fire difficult
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 13 May 2020, 10:55:28 AM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/97458926_3298846106813271_5698723472037904384_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_sid=ca434c&_nc_oc=AQnFWQx0aBQ2mXhlYSR7zMqKTgAaL5xnb1l1_vibIyjydgr5LmfnSMtmrn1mXxaQrw0&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=659ea6193b4a9394c1c9802c5701c81b&oe=5EE3286E)

Covenanter tanks of 9th Armoured Division during Exercise 'Limpet' in the Thetford-Bury St Edmunds area, 18 July 1942.


Have they got a pattern on them? Or is it just dirt?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Steve J on 13 May 2020, 12:12:48 PM
I can't see any pattern so must be dirt.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: FierceKitty on 13 May 2020, 12:55:08 PM
South African unit? The puff adder is certainly one of our many venomous snakes.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 21 May 2020, 04:37:52 PM
Fifth Army, Borgo Sabotino area, Italy. 23 May 1944. The Sherman had been incapacitated by an anti-tank mine and then a demolition charge was used to render it unusable by the enemy.

It's an early direct vision M4 with the very early narrow M34 mantlet. Not a commonly seen tank in service, not many of these were shipped overseas.
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/100567893_2675861065967227_9025242330747109376_o.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_oc=AQkSGwUMwXhyjukmwNe2AquqYpspIVDE6w4Qs4P2aGH0qS64J9XP1oLWN5rK1UOdEAg&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=d6bbfa805423d1102947fa6ce4c470c3&oe=5EED84EE)





Dammit. I though it was a Transformer.  :(
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Steve J on 21 May 2020, 07:28:43 PM
Looks like some old model kits that were shot up by a .177 airgun in the 1970's! When hit by a .22 the results were markedly worse.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: paulr on 21 May 2020, 08:06:36 PM
Imagine your feelings driving past that in another Sherman X_X
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Raider4 on 10 July 2020, 07:23:46 PM
Not from the Tank Museum, but an odd camouflage:

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-uI2PxJswlxo/Xu4EvdPrp-I/AAAAAAAC92w/3eHW9_HuNVoUXMWGCfiFe1j2QT9faVO-wCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Amusing%2BHobby%2B35A028%2BBritish%2BCenturion%2BMk%2B5%2B%25282%2529.png)

Anyone know anything about it?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Matt J on 11 July 2020, 01:22:49 AM
Aussies
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 11 July 2020, 06:39:05 AM
Dont think so Matt, that looks like an L7 105mm, the Aussies only had 20pdr. The fume extractor is slightly offset.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: pierre the shy on 11 July 2020, 06:42:58 AM
Nope not Aussies - I reckon they are Dutch for 5 reasons:

1. Personal weapons slung round the necks of 2 crew members are UZI 9mm SMG (without magazines).
2. The inverted rank badges and lapel badges on the stuffed battledresses shown in front of the crew.
3. US style helmets on the crews packs
4. small Dutch flag on the right front track cover next to the "B.4" marking (just to the right of the right most crewmembers hand).

And thanks to ianrs54 who posted while I was writing this reply  ;)
5. The main gun is a NATO 105mm L7

:-B    
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: pierre the shy on 11 July 2020, 06:54:15 AM
This further photo confirms 100% that its indeed a Dutch Army vehicle......

https://nimh-beeldbank.defensie.nl/foto-s/detail/733bac24-eb18-11df-a391-13966e870614

A translation of the narrative of the left says

"Centurion MK 5-1 main battle tank of the BRAVO squadron 101 Tank Battalion Hussars Prince Alexander (RHPA) at the Boskamp military complex. The tank is equipped with the 105 mm L7A1 gun with gas extractor in the middle but without the associated insulation blankets.
The tank has the first version camouflage pattern, a later version consisted of larger colored areas. Only Centurion tanks of 101st Tank Battalion have been equipped with camouflage cartridges. The crew who entered the tank all carry a pistol FN 9 mm Browning as a personal weapon and two pistol machine guns 9 mm UZI as an additional weapon for near security. Later this became the personal armament for the shooter and the loader and for these two the gun expired. they also all wear the "tank helmet" in their left hand."

The photo is dated 1965.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: OldenBUA on 11 July 2020, 09:12:10 AM
Didn't know about that, and a quick search throws up the second cammo pattern as well. Just search for Centurion 101.

https://nimh-beeldbank.defensie.nl/foto-s/detail/73d3f8d0-eb18-11df-a391-13966e870614/media/1049893b-f3ff-4030-a663-707aa3674c6f (https://nimh-beeldbank.defensie.nl/foto-s/detail/73d3f8d0-eb18-11df-a391-13966e870614/media/1049893b-f3ff-4030-a663-707aa3674c6f)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Raider4 on 11 July 2020, 09:46:22 AM
Thanks for all the info chaps.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 15 July 2020, 07:16:00 AM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p480x480/109696626_2723261054560561_4853679006536622560_o.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_oc=AQkoUvlEpLg4Ld1IlwC7yT1jftwmcqoJCUM2PlN8FSuCWpNZfc4gDVIlhDzaByTe8w8&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&_nc_tp=6&oh=d8214d970be344a3689192242c4bc155&oe=5F338B19)(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s600x600/108847042_2723261194560547_7159591271932187453_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_oc=AQlWcePUJbh44NxL473EUl4qyzp9ra4DStShNkNDQIcfjZKHAS30INzxZTnV9Y1Oe-I&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&_nc_tp=7&oh=7640e7aef1945b742f485e7b71b84e8d&oe=5F325560)(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/108316245_2723261241227209_761825537806708414_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_oc=AQk9Zan8hwpTEopWPZEOz9c6HSjNK78bIdH7CyCS5B3Ut6OrJkkeftlce2ChpAWqDiw&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=82758f566d76c090dc1be791fd344065&oe=5F36261F)(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/109365670_2723261291227204_1240578728031004888_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_oc=AQmkCkCrDiTC7J_yw09toDsfcOiraIeMy6ioxbORtLDD-TKJ_J6Qqw7u350dN5_1lcg&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=e577195c427f22ee4eab5c0483bed293&oe=5F336526)(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/109210398_2723261351227198_4723398215313819850_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_oc=AQnton-RH87NAqUKxLEq78ZYKy2BHBGexClNDsHNsowv56W4Md90z9TiWnBrmAmEwow&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=40a51d56a6e45c65c4a3970c4bf64653&oe=5F3507ED)

Fashion in Post-Liberation Paris, 1944.
How quickly things start to get back to normal.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: OldenBUA on 15 July 2020, 07:54:31 AM
Quote from: fsn on 15 July 2020, 07:16:00 AM
Fashion in Post-Liberation Paris, 1944.
How quickly things start to get back to normal.


Several posts about Centurions and no reaction, and now a post about fashion?

Who are you and what have you done to Nobby?!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 19 July 2020, 06:32:23 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p180x540/110099465_2726778280875505_3944680375855703877_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=iAfT4ZJm2D4AX_MYKqT&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&_nc_tp=6&oh=7a1542ab530001e77afef1624aa865f7&oe=5F399C93)

A lovely shot of a cold war British Armoured Regiment – the Queen's Dragoon Guards, I am told – formed up.  We have recce Ferrets in front, then the main mass of the unit's Chieftains, then support detachments in FV432 APCs and variants, then finally the logistic "tail" with Land Rovers, Bedford 4 tonners and amphibious Stalwarts



Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 19 July 2020, 06:33:32 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p526x296/107112727_3493826983981848_5966777050747142943_o.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=rmArFjc6ftkAX-yJQht&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&_nc_tp=6&oh=9013750e5babef0008271cb664313801&oe=5F3B7F46)

A column of German technology on the march in Tunisia.
In addition to the German armored personnel carriers Sd.Kfz. 251 and Sd.Kfz. 250, as well as Opel Blitz cars, a large number of captured American M3 armored personnel carriers and Willys MB jeeps are visible.
February 1943.
Source: waralbum.ru
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 19 July 2020, 06:36:36 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/115821851_2727253324161334_1206882092304027719_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=b7zpE4tmjh0AX9g6-o7&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=8a057e1bd30506fd63aeb76fb2b33507&oe=5F3B4B4B)

By 1941 more of the Russian T-26 had been built that any other tank in the world, and  with over 10,000 in service, there were more T-26s in the Red Army than most - maybe all - other armies had tanks. About a sixth of the total production was given over to specialist variants.  That shown here is the T-26T, a field artillery tractor.  Production began in 1932 with the open topped version, see here with a weather cover in place, towing what appear to be 122mm Model 10/30 howitzers. 183 vehicles built.  In 1936 they were joined by a batch of 14 armoured tractors, shown on parade towing the 76.2mm F22 gun.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 19 July 2020, 06:39:03 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p180x540/109345847_3512287135469166_1342326492871798811_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=JJ6Yi-JStpIAX_l_aj4&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&_nc_tp=6&oh=5cff2ed0a8099accc66068abc35f5ae0&oe=5F39A376)


Challenger tank of 15/19th Hussars, 11th Armoured Division, Holland, 17 October 1944.
Creator: Hewitt C. H. (Sgt), No. 5 Army Film and Photo Section, Army Film and Photographic Unit
Source: © IWM B 11045
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 19 July 2020, 06:44:49 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p526x296/107535105_3487231504641396_1883628942801837632_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=UrWk7qbHeWwAX_p75Zf&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&_nc_tp=6&oh=d8c6011b2cb3baa0aba2f3ebc3a87e67&oe=5F39297B)

General Sir Bernard Paget, C-in-C Home Forces (right), in a Crusader III tank at the AFV range at Linney Head in Wales, 30 December 1942.
Creator: Taylor (Lieutenant),  War Office official photographer.
Source: © IWM H 26493

Two questions.

1) Why is the chap standing on the tank wearing an inflatable suit?
2) Why is the tank wearing a shawl? Is it cold?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Raider4 on 19 July 2020, 07:07:50 PM
Quote from: fsn on 19 July 2020, 06:32:23 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p180x540/110099465_2726778280875505_3944680375855703877_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=iAfT4ZJm2D4AX_MYKqT&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&_nc_tp=6&oh=7a1542ab530001e77afef1624aa865f7&oe=5F399C93)

<snark mode>Looks like a game of Flames of War/Team Yankee . . . </snark mode>

Alternatively, just arrange an artillery barrage for the centre of that group.

;)

In reality, an interesting photo. Thanks for posting, and for the others.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 23 July 2020, 08:05:23 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p180x540/116112388_2730156147204385_5016818314048242234_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=qYNvfE77oksAX9Zmk9D&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&_nc_tp=6&oh=25c69a3a47be4120847317e59188b2f1&oe=5F3EFC81)


Two Australian M-113 APCs in Vietnam, named "HM APC" (on the analogy of "HMS" for Her Majesties' APC) "Flint" and "Steele".  Australian M-113s were often fitted with enclosed 7.62mm machine-gun turrets as seen here, rather than the additional armour kit around the commander's .50 calibre seen on US vehicles.  As shown by the land rover to the right of the photo, Australian units used a mix of US and British kit, with M-113 APCs supported by Centurion tanks and a combination of British-style SLR rifles and US M-60 machine guns as small arms
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 16 August 2020, 11:01:43 AM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/117769253_2747912778762055_3868069809122755615_n.png?_nc_cat=106&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=NRZywN0v0RYAX9lNCh5&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=69aa37608960dfa39d0136ef56ab0eb2&oe=5F5FA112)

No comment!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 16 August 2020, 11:09:25 AM
Nice display !
Quote from: fsn on 16 August 2020, 11:01:43 AM
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Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Techno on 16 August 2020, 11:18:04 AM
I LIKE that !!  ;D ;D ;D

Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Steve J on 16 August 2020, 11:20:15 AM
Love it!!!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: FierceKitty on 16 August 2020, 12:09:22 PM
So that's what it means if you say you're "tanked up on beer". I've always wondered.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Speedy of Leighton on 16 August 2020, 06:26:41 PM
Not often you see a Cullen hedge cutter..m
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 13 October 2020, 12:53:09 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p180x540/120955003_698495867752642_1562378261321985931_o.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=Q3v_zmaSDoQAX-GC4gu&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&tp=6&oh=19e39e99fae744c86a5f4bf4a942c2cb&oe=5FAD0768)

Leopard 2A4HU
In December 2018, Hungary ordered a large number of armored vehicles from Germany (specifically, from KMW) in order to properly re-arm its armored forces. These included 44 cutting edge Leopard 2A7+ MBTs (called Leopard 2A7HU in Hungarian service), 24 Panzerhaubitze 2000 SPGs, and 12 older, refurbished Leopard 2A4 MBTs for training (referred to as Leopard 2A4HU). The abovementioned tank is one of these older Leopards.
Before 2020, Hungary (including the 25th Rifle Brigade) was operating a number of obsolete T-72M1 MBTs (essentially an export version of the T-72A) and towed 122mm howitzers. The modern German weapons will be replacing the old Soviet equipment. All the training Leopard 2A4HU tanks will go to this unit with the training itself being provided by Austrian instructors. The rest of the ordered vehicles should arrive between 2023 and 2025. While not officially known, sources estimate the cost of the entire sum of Hungarian arms acquisitions from Germany at 1.5 billion EUR. One thing is, however, certain. This program will make the Hungarian military one of the strongest and best-equipped armies in the region.
This camouflage pattern is based on a specific vehicle, transferred from Germany to Hungary and officially accepted in service with the Hungarian 25th Rifle Brigade (Magyar Honvédség 25. Klapka György Lövészdandár) on July 24, 2020, during a ceremony attended by the leaders of the Hungarian military, including the minister of defense himself.


Painting competition ... when we get a Leopard.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 02 November 2020, 08:21:52 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/122872782_3849803475050862_8618279195399338670_o.jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=2&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=H0D29Ycmk8YAX_nx4ew&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=e65d3a392412f9cec73ffd932a34e32b&oe=5FC6CF0F)

Abandoned German Sd.Kfz. 4 Gleisketten-Lastkraftwagen in a forest near Celle, 13 April 1945.

Creator: Laing (Sgt): No. 5 Army Film & Photographic Unit.


Unusual vehicles.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fred. on 02 November 2020, 08:40:08 PM
What are the trailers in the fore ground? The look like gun carriages, with open boxes that might be for Neblewerfer rockets.

Or are they actually a launch system?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Steve J on 02 November 2020, 09:28:26 PM
I thought carriers for the Nebelwerfer rockets too.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 02 November 2020, 09:32:36 PM
I think so too.

(https://www.worldwarphotos.info/wp-content/gallery/germany/halftracks/sdkfz4/Panzerwerfer42._rear.jpg)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fred. on 02 November 2020, 09:57:03 PM
From a bit more googling I think they may well be launch systems about 17s into the below video, then a bit later too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqHuOMFZKCo

Searching for Neblewerfer ammo trailer comes back with closed ones.

There are certainly a few launch systems that are just open crates, rather than the more traditional tube arrangement. Hardly feels that open crates would have given much accuracy, but then again perhaps not really the idea of a WWII rocket system.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: OldenBUA on 03 November 2020, 06:05:55 AM
The trailers are the 28/32 cm Nebelwerfer 41, which is a transport and launch system. The vehicle shown is a tracked and armoured transport, and the same chassis was used as a mount for the 15 cm Nebelwerfer launch tubes, as shown in the later picture.
Launching from the crates was quite common for some Nebelwerfer types. A google search for Wurfrahmen should give some examples. Other types are using tubes. Accuracy is never very high in both cases. But the rockets have special vents that give them spin, which helps somewhat.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: paulr on 03 November 2020, 06:10:28 AM


As OldenBUA says a transport and launch system, some more information in the above video at about 6:20
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fred. on 03 November 2020, 08:00:45 AM
From the video Paul links it looks like the crate launched systems have a much lower range c2km rather than 7km for the tube ones. The projectiles also look quite different, which might mean there is a lot less propellant in the crate launched ones.

Most of the pictures I've seen on the crate launchers on carriages, use a carriage with a single joined trail (like a 2cm flak) whereas those in the photo fsn posted have split trails, much more like AT guns or Neblewerfers. May just be a field expedient model. As I did find a photo of the crate launchers attached to the barrel of a field gun!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Ithoriel on 03 November 2020, 03:03:37 PM
There were at least three versions of the rockets, 280mm and 300mm HE and a 320mm incendiary.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: OldenBUA on 03 November 2020, 07:08:44 PM
Yes, and these rockets are very different in shape from the 15cm/21cm rockets that were launched from the well known launchers with tubes shown at the beginning of the video that paulr linked.
They were also attached to the sides of a SdKfz 251 halftrack, in their transport/launch crates. This was known as the 'Stuka zu Fuss', i.e. Stuka on foot. Four of them together on a frame make up the Wurfrahmen launcher. Or six can be transported and launched from those trailers. It's the same rockets every time, just different launch systems.
The amount of propellant in these rockets is about the same for all of them.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 24 November 2020, 07:24:55 AM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s600x600/126029049_2841922606027738_7632520745541679616_o.jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=I7H1zohATYcAX8ZPdcX&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&tp=7&oh=3e933a96978d40e89fa5eb1ebe2c99a3&oe=5FE1DC60)(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s600x600/125429620_2841922599361072_8043881583257364460_o.jpg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=uX2NtdR9vm8AX8s9bQf&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&tp=7&oh=3a0ca2e7cbeb10969236174558cb9e9c&oe=5FE3B533)(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s600x600/127011045_2841922602694405_4658611536831899522_o.jpg?_nc_cat=109&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=ZuP4M-1ro4AAX-BhY1d&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&tp=7&oh=a5843907edfe9bf9ba1ea10a0e842b0c&oe=5FE34E70)

In the last couple of weeks new pictures have been released of a Challenger 2 with a new prototype camouflage pattern, the pattern officially known as MCDCS-5 (Multi Colour Digital Camouflage System number 5) is an ongoing trial at the ATDU (Armoured Trials and Development Unit) at Bovington. What we know (which isn't a lot) is that the pattern is hand painted by brush and roller and is a mix of Matt and Semi Matt finishes. The work was done by Babcock in cooperation with DSTL (Defence Science and Technology Laboratory).
We think it's pretty cool looking, what do you think?


Well to be honest Gary, I think it's going to be a swine to try and capture in 10mm. Matt and semi matt? What are you trying to do to us?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Techno II on 24 November 2020, 07:36:38 AM
I agree, Nobby !

Those do weird things to my eyes  @-) @-)....Which I suppose is more than half the point.
Douglas Adams would probably class those as being covered in a SEP field.

Cheers - Phil :)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Raider4 on 24 November 2020, 07:55:46 AM
The Americans have tried that sort of thing for uniforms in the past - not sure if it's still current or if they've moved on/abandoned it.

The Navy guys are wearing it in the Godzilla movie from a few years back (not the Matthew Broderick one!)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fred. on 24 November 2020, 07:58:55 AM
I do look at these "digital" patterns, and wonder why they are done with straight edges and right angles? I get the multiple colours, and the irregular overlapping shapes. But straight edges still stand out.

Also once moving, any vehicle let alone a tank is pretty obvious, and once stationary they tend to add foliage.

It certainly won't be fun to paint on 10mm tanks!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: sean66 on 24 November 2020, 09:03:27 AM
The Chinese have these Squares and shapes on a lot of their vehicles at the moment.
even their Marines have their Vehicles in various shades of Blue as Camouflage.
Regards
Sean
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Matt J on 24 November 2020, 09:40:08 AM
It's for digital combat, minecraft camo
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 24 November 2020, 10:44:02 AM
Well I'm not going to try it on 6mm tanks ! X_X
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Steve J on 24 November 2020, 10:46:35 AM
Aside to being almost impossible to paint, i'm not sure how well it would work at distance, as the colours and tones would tend to blend together IMHO. A good way to tell is to take a B&W photo of it which shows whether the tones blend or not, a trick learnt from my modelmaking days.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Westmarcher on 24 November 2020, 11:16:32 AM
No need to fret, guys.. Just look for the shelf with the Tartan paint and it will be there beside it.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 24 November 2020, 12:17:12 PM
Chinese version ...
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/09/03/08/2BED3EBC00000578-3220656-image-a-15_1441265779723.jpg)

It's like a Tetris game on the move.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Raider4 on 24 November 2020, 01:37:55 PM
Quote from: fsn on 24 November 2020, 12:17:12 PM
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/09/03/08/2BED3EBC00000578-3220656-image-a-15_1441265779723.jpg)

What on earth??

(Off to Wikipedia . . . )

Okay, it looks like a ZBD-05 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_05_amphibious_fighting_vehicle)?

Also, never believe what you read on Wikipedia. From the article above: "The vehicle can run at a maximum road speed of 65 km/h and 45km/h in the water."  65 on road? Yeah, okay. 45 on the water? Nope, never gonna happen.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 24 November 2020, 04:10:18 PM
I s8uspect they missed a decimal point
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Speedy of Leighton on 24 November 2020, 05:13:38 PM
Its gonna be like painting Berlin cammo again!!!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 24 November 2020, 05:36:51 PM
It'll look great when they bring the game out on the Spectrum.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fred. on 24 November 2020, 05:58:07 PM
Quote from: mad lemmey on 24 November 2020, 05:13:38 PM
Its gonna be like painting Berlin cammo again!!!

But about 1/10th the size of the squares

Good luck. I'm sticking with WWII.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 20 December 2020, 05:57:54 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/123725198_2829636803922985_895729066206139985_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=cARA63PeRgIAX_Gb2Db&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=4c40db36776893fd8d06c93c5af42d9b&oe=600513FE)

This 150cc Vespa scooter is fitted with a US-made M20 75mm recoilless rifle.  It was designed for the French TAP ("Troupes Aeroportees) in the 1950s as a way of giving them light airportable anti-tank firepower.  They were designed to be used in pairs, one scooter carrying the gun and the other than ammunition.  The recoilless rifle was never intended to be fired from the scooter, but from a tripod adapted from that for a .50 calibre MG, also carried on the scooter.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 21 December 2020, 09:04:51 AM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p180x540/131263018_10159003419880842_3435617718502988654_o.jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=oifvLzbQAkQAX8noTNV&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&tp=6&oh=2a38597af3003611231962f1bdd827a7&oe=60061708)

This M4 Sherman has been the victim of a rather spectacular internal explosion. The tank has been blown apart along the weld lines, giving us a good look at the size of the armoured panels that made up the hull.
This photograph belonged to James Douglas Moon and was most likely taken in North Africa. Originally a member of the Herefordshire Regiment, he was commissioned into the 47th (Oldham) Royal Tank Regiment in July 1941 and transferred to the Warwickshire Yeomanry when the 47th was disbanded at the end of 1942.



Anyone else want to paint "2020" on this?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Steve J on 21 December 2020, 09:11:34 AM
Blimey, that certainly was a big bang!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Speedy of Leighton on 21 December 2020, 09:30:15 AM
Poor crew
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 21 December 2020, 10:04:15 AM
Looks like a turret penetration - doubt anyone got out,
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 23 December 2020, 12:19:39 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p180x540/132230769_10159018560745842_1163879777923166579_o.jpg?_nc_cat=109&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=QfIgG3Lh_JsAX-dF8-n&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&tp=6&oh=50882f3b9f8eddcb59ca28ea322f818f&oe=60077154)

I share this because I loved the caption.

'Ally Ooop III' powers through the snow of north-west Europe during the winter of 1944-45. The M24 Chaffee light tank was a replacement for the outdated M3 and M5 Stuart. It was more powerfully armed and more mobile, but its main advantage, according to James Clark of the 5th Royal Inniskilling Dragoon Guards, was that 'unlike the Sherman it looked like a tank should look rather than the illegitimate child of a farm tractor.'
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Steve J on 23 December 2020, 12:59:07 PM
That quote made me chuckle!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 23 December 2020, 02:10:05 PM
Yes. I don't think I'll ever look at a Sherman in the same way again.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: paulr on 23 December 2020, 08:54:47 PM
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 26 December 2020, 12:55:44 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p180x540/123085102_3855518151146061_3347919976558759943_o.jpg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=2&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=jsWvBmDvEFQAX-xZGxb&_nc_oc=AQkWZn14qErCPvZVTaZyLlZ5VMVIofi-hYyil75PiwNX0ZCMu8BsN_BWHG1Wv6kEr_o&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&tp=6&oh=8bee2fd459325a3306678edfa6591731&oe=600E8FCE)

KEEPING FIT IN THE HOME FLEET. SCAPA FLOW, SEPTEMBER 1942.
Gymnastics aboard the KING GEORGE V.
Creator: Hudson, F A (Lt): Royal Navy official photographer.

Or "Nobody puts Baby in a corner"
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 28 December 2020, 06:20:32 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/134050735_2869812863238712_6647342757626647505_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=WTYFW1w0IzwAX8aHJ6r&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=3c0df0b0e4245eb3a47b883bb28b089d&oe=600EB239)

There's been a lot in the news about the possibility of snow in the UK. All I can say is that if it does snow, you'll have to raise your game to outdo this guy 🙂
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: pierre the shy on 28 December 2020, 06:34:40 PM
Quote from: fsn on 28 December 2020, 06:20:32 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/134050735_2869812863238712_6647342757626647505_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=WTYFW1w0IzwAX8aHJ6r&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=3c0df0b0e4245eb3a47b883bb28b089d&oe=600EB239)

There's been a lot in the news about the possibility of snow in the UK. All I can say is that if it does snow, you'll have to raise your game to outdo this guy 🙂

A 1:1 scale Tiger made of snow - that level of detail must have taken a bit of work to achieve but certainly looks the part.

might be a bit vulnerable to HEAT rounds though....... ;)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 28 December 2020, 06:45:09 PM
 ;D ;D ;D


Is this soggy, chewed, rag your coat sir?


Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: paulr on 28 December 2020, 07:01:03 PM
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Steve J on 28 December 2020, 07:23:00 PM
Wow, that is impressive!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: howayman on 28 December 2020, 08:26:15 PM
Its a real Tiger, he just uses white primer.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Speedy of Leighton on 28 December 2020, 09:55:05 PM
Quote from: fsn on 26 December 2020, 12:55:44 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p180x540/123085102_3855518151146061_3347919976558759943_o.jpg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=2&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=jsWvBmDvEFQAX-xZGxb&_nc_oc=AQkWZn14qErCPvZVTaZyLlZ5VMVIofi-hYyil75PiwNX0ZCMu8BsN_BWHG1Wv6kEr_o&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&tp=6&oh=8bee2fd459325a3306678edfa6591731&oe=600E8FCE)

KEEPING FIT IN THE HOME FLEET. SCAPA FLOW, SEPTEMBER 1942.
Gymnastics aboard the KING GEORGE V.
Creator: Hudson, F A (Lt): Royal Navy official photographer.

Or "Nobody puts Baby in a corner"
Good picture, apt on the date as the Battle of North Cape was 26th December 1943 and a KGV class was there (my Grandad was there)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Speedy of Leighton on 28 December 2020, 10:32:32 PM
Quote from: fsn on 26 December 2020, 12:55:44 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p180x540/123085102_3855518151146061_3347919976558759943_o.jpg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=2&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=jsWvBmDvEFQAX-xZGxb&_nc_oc=AQkWZn14qErCPvZVTaZyLlZ5VMVIofi-hYyil75PiwNX0ZCMu8BsN_BWHG1Wv6kEr_o&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&tp=6&oh=8bee2fd459325a3306678edfa6591731&oe=600E8FCE)

"Really bad place to try and build a tunnel!"
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 29 December 2020, 07:50:15 AM
Quote from: mad lemmey on 28 December 2020, 09:55:05 PM
Good picture, apt on the date as the Battle of North Cape was 26th December 1943 and a KGV class was there (my Grandad was there)

Duke of York if I recall right
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Techno II on 29 December 2020, 08:18:23 AM
That 'Tigger' IS rather impressive !

Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: pierre the shy on 29 December 2020, 10:39:44 AM
Quote from: fsn on 28 December 2020, 06:45:09 PM
;D ;D ;D


Is this soggy, chewed, rag your coat sir?




It's summer here so its bit warm to wear a coat at the moment......will a t shirt do?

seriously fsn you do post some very interesting stuff in this thread......that Tiger made from snow looks incredible  :) 
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 02 January 2021, 09:22:20 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p180x540/135499499_2873518309534834_5147104264203161859_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=0609uyhELS8AX-YPEJ_&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&tp=6&oh=a2f207d69c10e879a1427908f0f79636&oe=601530ED)

The US M103 Heavy Tank was developed in the early 1950s as a response to the heavy Soviet IS-series heavy tanks.  It was very heavily armed, mounting a 120mm gun compared to the contemporary US M48 MBT, which mounted a 90mm.  It was equally heavily armoured, but unfortunately only used the same engine as the much lighter M48/M60 series, making it notably underpowered.  Worse, the 300 vehicles produced performed very poorly in trials, requiring almost 100 modifications to make them fit for service.  80 went to the army, organised as a single heavy tank battalion which operated only to 1963, when it was replaced by the 105mm armed M60.  220 went to the marine corps, organised as one heavy tank company in each of its three tank battalions.  The marines replaced the M103 in 1973, when they in turn received M60s.  With so few units produced, and no use in combat, the type is now largely forgotten
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 03 January 2021, 08:38:25 AM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/135757044_2873643409522324_6925565379833207799_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=nf52-Qv_EDcAX99gx_k&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=9abed6e7250e9ad75e4ef8545f73e3f6&oe=6018EB24)

The Russian BMPT "Terminator" is an urban combat vehicle based on a T-72 hull, but with the turret replaced with a new remote mount.  This carries 4x 9M120 Akata ATGMs, plus 2x 30mm autocannon and a coaxial machine gun as primary armament controlled by the primary gunner, and left and right 30mm automatic grenade launchers controlled by a pair of dedicated gunners.  The crew of 5 is rounded out by the driver and commander.  The vehicle is intended to support tanks in urban combat or in other close terrain, where they are at risk from infantry tank hunters, which the Russians had unpleasant experience of in Chechnaya.


That looks badass  :o
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 03 January 2021, 09:37:58 AM
Problem is that the specialist vehicle is never where you want it !
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Techno II on 03 January 2021, 11:08:26 AM
Quote from: fsn on 02 January 2021, 09:22:20 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p180x540/135499499_2873518309534834_5147104264203161859_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=0609uyhELS8AX-YPEJ_&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&tp=6&oh=a2f207d69c10e879a1427908f0f79636&oe=601530ED)

Explain to a non military oik.

What's the 'big lump' (where those chaps are sitting) at the back of the turret for ?
A counterweight to the barrel ?

Genuine question.

Cheers - Phil :)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Raider4 on 03 January 2021, 11:20:32 AM
Quote from: fsn on 03 January 2021, 08:38:25 AM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/135757044_2873643409522324_6925565379833207799_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=nf52-Qv_EDcAX99gx_k&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=9abed6e7250e9ad75e4ef8545f73e3f6&oe=6018EB24)

The Russian BMPT "Terminator" is an urban combat vehicle based on a T-72 hull, but with the turret replaced with a new remote mount.  This carries 4x 9M120 Akata ATGMs, plus 2x 30mm autocannon and a coaxial machine gun as primary armament controlled by the primary gunner, and left and right 30mm automatic grenade launchers controlled by a pair of dedicated gunners.  The crew of 5 is rounded out by the driver and commander.  The vehicle is intended to support tanks in urban combat or in other close terrain, where they are at risk from infantry tank hunters, which the Russians had unpleasant experience of in Chechnaya.

Normal crew for a T-72 is 3, so that's probably going to be a little cramped.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Raider4 on 03 January 2021, 11:21:27 AM
Quote from: Techno II on 03 January 2021, 11:08:26 AM
Explain to a non military oik.

What's the 'big lump' (where those chaps are sitting) at the back of the turret for ?
A counterweight to the barrel ?

Genuine question.

Aye, almost certainly. Probably incorporates some extra storage as well.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 03 January 2021, 11:52:18 AM
Had a look at Osprey NV 197 - looks like a turret overhang to allow for enhanced depression and recoil. N o pictures show the M48/60 stowage basket. Also the commanders cupola is right at the back of the turret in the rear overhang. The original vehicle was fitted with the same petrol engine as the M48A2, the USMC fitted theirs with desiels with more power and used them up to 1973, some at least at Guantanamo Bay.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 03 January 2021, 11:59:28 AM
(http://www.patton-mania.com/M_103/M103_the_real_thing/103a1_2.jpg)
Seems mostly to have been the commander and ammo.

But looking at size of the ammo you can see why.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/44/M103_USMC.jpg/170px-M103_USMC.jpg)

I think it was two piece rounds?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 03 January 2021, 12:58:36 PM
No one peice Nobby same on Conqueror, which I think has the same gun.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Techno II on 03 January 2021, 01:00:04 PM
How the frig did they get many shells of that size into the vehicle ? :o

Was it a one shot.....then go back 'home' and pick up another one ?

Or did some poor sap follow on behind with a big wheelbarrow ?

From the line drawings Nobby's posted, there's next to sod all room in there already ?
Talk about being bloody cramped !

Cheers - Phil.  :-\
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 03 January 2021, 01:14:32 PM
It's got roughly 30 rounds mostly stowed as the turret floor. It was loaded through the turret hatches. The round shown in Nobby's piccy is HE. From the caption I have just seen the rounds may be separate loading. The enire design was badly conceived although popular with the crews as it was regarded as spacious, it's intended role was taking out the Soviet heavy tanks, specifically the T10/IS III, as the US Army didn't think their 90mm could do trhe job (it could with HEAT). Fior Phil - HEAT is High Explosive Anti-Tank, or hollow charge.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Techno II on 03 January 2021, 01:46:35 PM
I still can't get my head around how horrendously bloody cramped it would be in that space.

It must have been an absolute sodding nightmare to get 'extra'  shells in there, Ian....From what you've posted, in the past.....I believe YOU have been in that position.

Hats off to you, Matey !.....I wouldn't have been able to do that 'in my youth'......Forget nowadays.

Cheers - Phil  :)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 03 January 2021, 02:24:31 PM
Quote from: ianrs54 on 03 January 2021, 12:58:36 PM
No one peice Nobby same on Conqueror, which I think has the same gun.
You sure? Conqueror was definitely 2 piece and the diagram has "ammunition charge" and "ammunition projectiles"   :-\
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 03 January 2021, 03:19:07 PM
No Phil, I was a thumb in bum mind in neutral officer cadet in LUOTC. That unit was also 5th Btn of Her Majesty's 8th (Kings Liverpool) Rgt of Foot to give it it's full title. I have ridden in 432's and fired 25pdr, 105 mm Pack howitzers. Closest to riding inside  a tank was the Cheiftain engine deck before ending up to my waist in quick sand in Imber village. We were going to fire Cheifies but a minor royal turned and firing was canceled. I did get to get into Cents and Cheifies at RCMS in Swindon. They arn't to small, having designed ergonomically. For small tanks try a T55/62/64/72 et al, crews of those have to be 5' 6" or less in height.

Cheers
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: T13A on 03 January 2021, 03:50:45 PM
Hi

Tango One Three Alpha, Ajax, 2RTR, 1976

Chieftain Commanders Position (closed down, taken from the loader/radio operators position):

(https://i.imgur.com/CQd9Fiq.jpg)

Gunner, also taken from the loaders position (you can just see the commanders hand on the  controller on the right hand side):

(https://i.imgur.com/jf8yC0H.jpg)

Loader/operator (me, you can just see the the edge of one of the two radios on the left, and some of the empty ammo racks, the (separate) bagged propellent charges were kept in coolant filled containers on the floor; when you opened the lid they 'popped' up as they had a spring underneath commonly called a zebbedy, people of a certain age will no why)  ;)

(https://i.imgur.com/moWozGG.jpg)

Cheers Paul

Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Techno II on 03 January 2021, 04:02:13 PM
Good grief !!!!

How did folk (including you, Paul) manage to stay in something that small without losing your minds ?

EEEEEEK !..... X_X X_X X_X X_X

P.S......Is that a young version of that nice Mr Hussein.

Cheers - Phil :)

Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Speedy of Leighton on 03 January 2021, 07:04:56 PM
Good shots
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 03 January 2021, 07:18:55 PM
Glad to see that silly American notion of helmets wasn't part of your rig.

Good photos.


Phil, try watching some videos by the Chieftain on YouTube - especially when he does his emergency evacuation ("Oh no. the tank is on fire.") My admiration for men who fight in tanks increased tenfold after watching some of these.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Raider4 on 03 January 2021, 07:31:22 PM
Quote from: Techno II on 03 January 2021, 04:02:13 PM
How did folk (including you, Paul) manage to stay in something that small without losing your minds ?

I vaguely remember reading about how part of the training is to basically lock the crew in the tank for an extended period - 48 hours, maybe?.

Hint - there's no toilet in an armoured vehicle . . .

Not something I'd have liked to go through.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: T13A on 03 January 2021, 08:21:53 PM
Hi Phil

The only time it really got cramped was when we were fully 'bombed up', that was 54 (if memory serves) main armament rounds (APDS, HESH and Smoke) plus the relevant bagged charges (the ones for the HESH and smoke rounds were half the size of the ones for the APDS rounds), 6000 7.62 rounds for the Co-ax MG and the commanders MG (both GPMG's) in 30 x200 round boxes. Plus rounds for the smoke dischargers, our personal weapons (Stirling SMG's in those days) and again if memory serves space for some hand grenades, oh, and not forgetting rounds for the 'very' pistol! That said, I spent a lot of my time as the loader/operator so was the only crew member who could actually move around a bit (including making the tea). I started as a gunner which was great when shooting the bloody thing (I particularly enjoyed shooting the co-ax MG) but if there was no live firing going on it was a pain as the only crew member without their own hatch. On the other hand you could carry an awful lot of beer......

Me, on the right:

(https://i.imgur.com/4xGYdnF.jpg)

FSN......

(https://i.imgur.com/iScsKVq.jpg)

They were introduced to help stop banging your head when inside and to cut down on the noise, they were not popular.

(https://i.imgur.com/Ush2S9W.jpg)

Raider4

I do remember being closed down (but not 'locked in') for between 2 and 3 days once for a Nuclear, Biological and Chemical (NBC) exercise, and having to wear our NBC 'suits' which was pretty uncomfortable (and boring) but compare with the infantry we 'lived' in luxury.


Cheers Paul



Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Westmarcher on 03 January 2021, 10:11:00 PM
Thanks for sharing your experiences, Paul (and thanks to Ian, too). I dallied with the idea of joining up in my youth but opted for the civvy life instead (but would have stepped forward if called up) so it's always interesting to hear how you guys got on. One of my neighbours ('young Guy' - deary me, he's in his forties, now - nice lad, later became a policeman, an anti-piracy security guard on tankers and now on MoD security at Faslane) saw action in a Chally in Basra, surviving a few hits by RPG's ("the tank rocked and we moved on") and recall seeing him on the BBC News standing beside the gouge in the side skirt armour of his Chally.

As for myself, all I've done is briefly had the pleasure of driving a Chieftain and, although I'm only 5' 8", found it quite cramped to get in and out of (mind you, I was 65 at the time!  ;D). No doubt a younger, slimmer self would have got in and out a lot more easily. Somewhat annoyingly, if placed back in the vehicle, I'm unable to fully recall how to go up and down the gears - somewhat incongruously, I vaguely recall the gear foot pedal is very much like driving a motorcycle. The Stormer and FV432 were a bit of a squeeze, too, but easier to drive. The Abbot was the worst - although the same chassis as the 432, as you may know, the 105mm gun takes up a lot a space and so the driver's area is one of the spaces reduced as a result - with the extra weight of the gun and turret, you could also feel a marked difference in the handling of the vehicle requiring a good bit more 'firmness' in operating the juice and steering sticks. Fun, nevertheless. As we were driving around and talking away I didn't realise what a geek I was until my ex-Army instructor asked me what regiment I served in!  (of course, I owned up)  :-[
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Techno II on 04 January 2021, 07:25:13 AM
Quote from: Westmarcher on 03 January 2021, 10:11:00 PM
Thanks for sharing your experiences, Paul (and thanks to Ian, too).

Ditto ! Thanks, Both !  :)

The photo of Paul sitting on the front of the tank, also helps me to  'get my head around' the size of some of the tanks themselves.
Bigger than I'd imagined.

Cheers - Phil  :)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 04 January 2021, 09:04:31 AM
Thank you both.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 04 January 2021, 12:07:10 PM
Great first hand info.

Being somewhat taller than average, I've paid some interest in the height limits for soldiers down the years.
That's obviously a serious factor now we've taken to shutting our fighting men inside their weapon systems.

It began with a visit to HMS Victory aged 7 when I wasn't able to stand up in the gun-decks, or even on the staircases.
I then built an Airfix Spitfire which had a potted biog of a pilot - about my height at the time, who could only fit in by omitting his parachute.

I soon learned that height was the ideal excuse for dodging unpleasant duties like ball turret gunner or tunnel rat.

The one that really bewildered me were Napoleonic era recruiting posters (Either Imperial War Museum, or Museum of London).
I was quite shocked to see most regiments had minimum and maximum height limits.
I can almost imagine this for the line infantry (don't want those lanky chaps making the unit look untidy).
I was quite surprised to see the same in force for the heavy cavalry and even the guards.

Turns out the regulations would have confined me to light cavalry.

I wondered why they had these upper limits (which I son learned were rarely enforced).
Guesswork wondered about the size of barracks bunks, or some sop to the military tailors.

It turns out to be some chunk of Georgian medical wooo.
The thinking being that somebody of exceptional stature must be lacking in some other factor.
Either weak minded (no comments please), or lacking in physical strength.

I'll now return this thread to its rightful subject matter.

Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Raider4 on 04 January 2021, 12:13:03 PM
Quote from: Techno II on 04 January 2021, 07:25:13 AM
The photo of Paul sitting on the front of the tank, also helps me to  'get my head around' the size of some of the tanks themselves.
Bigger than I'd imagined.
Well, some are, some aren't ;).

Went to Bovington a fair few years ago, was stunned at how small things like the Panzer III and Cromwell were. Both had crews of 5. How?

Then you see the Panther and Jagdpanther, and boy are they huge!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 04 January 2021, 01:16:31 PM
Lots of units had heights limits and average heights have been going up for the last century at least, as we get better diet. Pre WWII the Grenadier Guards had one of 5'10" (may be more) and City of Westminster Police used to require officers to be at least 6'.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 05 January 2021, 04:19:39 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/135295265_451502809578808_8189512514698709064_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=upek0UbZiQ4AX9ECGGE&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=6952641db61867cd2875878d4d6c6dbc&oe=601B7574)

Simone Segouin, mostly known by her codename, Nicole Minet, was only 18-years-old when the Germans invaded. Her first act of rebellion was to steal a bicycle from a German military administration, and to slice the tires of all of the other bikes and motorcycles so they couldn't pursue her. She found a pocket of the Resistance and joined the fight, using the stolen bike to deliver messages between Resistance groups.

She was an extremely fast learner and quickly became an expert at tactics and explosives. She led teams of Resistance fighters to capture German troops, set traps, and sabotage German equipment. As the war dragged on, her deeds escalated to derailing German trains, blocking roads, blowing up bridges and helping to create a German-free path to help the Allied forces retake France from the inside. She was never caught.

Segouin was present at the liberation of Chartres on August 23, 1944, and then the liberation of Paris two days later. She was promoted to lieutenant and awarded several medals, including the Croix de Guerre. After the war, she studied medicine and became a pediatric nurse. She is still going strong, and this October (2021) she will turn 96. ❤️
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Steve J on 05 January 2021, 06:46:45 PM
Wow, what a life!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Techno II on 06 January 2021, 07:32:29 AM
What Steve said !

I'm in awe of people like that.

Cheers - Phil.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 06 January 2021, 08:24:06 AM
Fortuneatly we didn't need to do that sort of thing
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: paulr on 06 January 2021, 08:29:32 AM
 =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 06 January 2021, 12:57:50 PM
This may well be of interest :-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFkFTtWQfXo&fbclid=IwAR2xqeqQzNBiYQzeRrkUrRVPwCWWZHXBTPKGgyAeGDnI-c0bId9BozJ38Z8

Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 09 January 2021, 09:08:42 AM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p526x296/135479437_2872918259594839_6461282539281833441_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=hyJqjV6kX_IAX_4lbjB&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&tp=6&oh=fb9a562c223d64221bada9edef37fb5f&oe=601E5823)

The British had seen the potential of German ground attack aircraft in the 1940 campaign, and put work into providing tanks with their own air defence.  This is a twin Bren "Motley mount", which could be fitted to trucks and jeeps as well as tanks.  Generally, the 100rd drum would be used in the AA role, but the Bren was limited by its relatively low rate of fire – good in a ground gun, but bad for AA – and its rifle calibre.  The solution would be to move to dedicated AA vehicles with weapons of at least 20mm calibre


Presumably you would need to take a tree stump with you

Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 09 January 2021, 09:42:47 AM
Quote from: fsn on 09 January 2021, 09:08:42 AM

Presumably you would need to take a tree stump with you


Not on a tank you oik ! :D
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Speedy of Leighton on 09 January 2021, 10:29:21 AM
Telegraph poles???
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Techno II on 09 January 2021, 10:34:57 AM
I agree, Will.....

Circa 1190 AD, I reckon. ;)

Thank goodness it's illegal to wear shorts like that in our enlightened age.  X_X

Cheers - Phil  :)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 09 January 2021, 11:42:48 AM
Can I get one for my Skoda?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: OldenBUA on 09 January 2021, 11:58:47 AM
It has an interesting 'shoestring, handlebars and farm implements' approach in the design.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 09 January 2021, 12:23:05 PM
Not checking - but from memory most crusiers had provison to stow the mount - but given the tiny size of the turrets didn't. Never found any record of the abortion being used !
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 09 January 2021, 12:37:04 PM
Does look like a Dad's Army sort of affair.  :D
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 09 January 2021, 01:37:55 PM
Quote from: OldenBUA on 09 January 2021, 11:58:47 AM
It has an interesting 'shoestring, handlebars and farm implements' approach in the design.

Not the worst thing I've seen form that era.
Relatively compact - I assume the fixing point attaches to the turret tear or turret bustle.
Take a look at the standard issue "bren" AA mount for a Meccano hobbyists nightmare.

I am contemplating how it might have performed in a forced marriage with a Bren Carrier.
The early carrier platoon had groups of three: Command, ATR and Mortar.
Consider replacing ATR with a "Gun" carrier mounting twin Brens on this mount.

An ideal mount for what-if duelling against the Italian tankettes.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 09 January 2021, 04:08:21 PM
Yeah, but you'd still have to take the tree stump.  :-\

Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 10 January 2021, 07:08:07 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/135262964_2872920106261321_6107029777915794640_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=VlTZRIWgSn8AX8WYhqo&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&tp=7&oh=4898811e9b7a94dac33fb7afbdb671c9&oe=60223275)

It turns out there's not really an upper limit on how many blokes can fit on one truck, if the alternative is walking


Question. What's keeping that tailgate up?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fred. on 10 January 2021, 09:30:55 PM
Looks like 40-50 blokes!

The loading limit is just given in tons, so they are probably fine! As long as the tall-gate stays in place...
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 10 January 2021, 09:34:28 PM
Solid tyres.
That's going to get bumpy.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 11 January 2021, 08:33:08 PM
For those of you of a winter's bent ...

Aerial pictures over the Ardennes during the Battle of the Bulge - Early 1945
LIFE Magazine Archives - John Florea & William Vandivert Photographers




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Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 13 January 2021, 06:57:58 PM
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Napoleon may have said that an army marches on its stomach, but feet are pretty important, too.  This was especially in the trench conditions of the Great War, where trench foot could take men out of action as effectively as a rifle bullet.  As a result, British officers were expected to conduct regular inspections of their men's feet


How many feet do you have to inspect before you stop saying "this little piggy..."?  also that's a wonderfully clean trench. Could this be a publicity shot?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: paulr on 14 January 2021, 08:39:49 AM
Interesting how the fence lines stand out in those winter aerial photos :-\
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Orcs on 14 January 2021, 09:49:34 AM
Quote from: Techno II on 09 January 2021, 10:34:57 AM

Thank goodness it's illegal to wear shorts like that in our enlightened age.  X_X

Cheers - Phil  :)

OI! I wear shorts like that ! :)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Techno II on 14 January 2021, 10:05:44 AM
The prosecution rests its case.  ;)

Cheers - Phil  :)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 14 January 2021, 07:58:36 PM
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From 1968, High School children in the Soviet Union had to take basic military classes as part of their schooling, including first aid, gas drills and basic firearms training, for both girls and boys.  This girl is learning to strip and re-assemble an RPK light machine gun, essentially the SAW version of the AK series assault rifle


Well I would have preferred that than bloomin' crop rotation!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: FierceKitty on 15 January 2021, 01:37:37 AM
Not glamourous, but crop rotation makes the world a better place. Weapons, however....
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 16 January 2021, 08:28:46 AM
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;D Brilliant
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Techno II on 16 January 2021, 10:20:39 AM
Gimme strength.  X_X

Cheers - Phil.  ;)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 16 January 2021, 11:30:06 AM
Thought it were one o your masters Phil  ;)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Techno II on 16 January 2021, 12:03:03 PM
I have never tried to make representations of (former) Pemier League footballers.

Cheers - Phil. ;)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 20 January 2021, 08:36:28 PM
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A collection of Polish Beutepanzers in a park in Berlin as photographed post VE day.

Front to back: a 7TP with a hole in the front, TKS-NKM tankette, a FT-17, and another 7TP.
It's unlikely these were actually used during the Defence of Berlin but it's possible.

Originally from an exhibition at the Zeughaus on Unter den Linden, these vehicles were meant as a show of trophies from the 'Der Feldzug in Polen' exposition which opened in 1940.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Techno II on 21 January 2021, 07:23:35 AM
How many men fitted in the middle one ?  :-\

Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 21 January 2021, 07:29:28 AM
Two. They are very cute.  :)

Three in the 7TP and two in the FT17.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 21 January 2021, 07:30:05 AM
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ON BOARD HMS KING GEORGE V. 1941, SCENES ON BOARD THE BATTLESHIP.
Securing Carley floats.
Creator: Coote, R G G (Lt).
Source: © IWM A 3431
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: paulr on 21 January 2021, 07:42:26 AM
Quote from: fsn on 21 January 2021, 07:29:28 AM
Two. They are very cute.  :)

Three in the 7TP and two in the FT17.

You can even fit an over 6' tall Irishman in a TKS, I can't think why this would be such a highly requested video ;) ;D


He climbs in at about 14:30
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Orcs on 21 January 2021, 10:44:52 AM
Quote from: FierceKitty on 15 January 2021, 01:37:37 AM
Not glamourous, but crop rotation makes the world a better place. Weapons, however....

Agreed unless used to provide food. But "In the world of the blind........."
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 23 January 2021, 09:24:30 AM
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THE EIGHTH ARMY IN THE KLAGENFURT AREA OF AUSTRIA, MAY 1945.
British military transport carrying supplies for the Eighth Army, passes the frontier station on the border between Italy and Austria. A British military policeman gives guidance to drivers as they pass through.
Creator: Tanner, A. R. (Captain), War Office official photographer.
Source: © IWM TR 2865
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 23 January 2021, 12:20:17 PM
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1941 – WW2 – A column of Soviet armored vehicles BA-20M moving into combat positions – USSR




Bless them, they look so archaic.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 23 January 2021, 12:25:05 PM
(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/6008c73e-4b70-44e2-b005-7c966e3c7801/davcogy-4b6265b2-1216-4214-8135-3ea93baf20e4.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOiIsImlzcyI6InVybjphcHA6Iiwib2JqIjpbW3sicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvNjAwOGM3M2UtNGI3MC00NGUyLWIwMDUtN2M5NjZlM2M3ODAxXC9kYXZjb2d5LTRiNjI2NWIyLTEyMTYtNDIxNC04MTM1LTNlYTkzYmFmMjBlNC5qcGcifV1dLCJhdWQiOlsidXJuOnNlcnZpY2U6ZmlsZS5kb3dubG9hZCJdfQ.1nBbrrr0-KhoOUzO3be_U07hFi-xdHjChMotkn65Nec)

Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Steve J on 23 January 2021, 01:38:58 PM
They certainly do look archaic!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Ithoriel on 23 January 2021, 02:20:10 PM
Quote from: Steve J on 23 January 2021, 01:38:58 PM
They certainly do look archaic!

And yet they were first produced in 1936. The 1938 BA-10M isn't much of an improvement, lookswise.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Raider4 on 23 January 2021, 04:50:09 PM
Quote from: Steve J on 23 January 2021, 01:38:58 PM
They certainly do look archaic!

Unlike our modern, British armoured cars . . .

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/IWM-H-10928-Ballykinlar-19410619.jpg)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 23 January 2021, 05:25:02 PM
TBH I was thinking of the German, French and Italian equivalents

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/lKoif0L_eipNSyOOFzvysSy750bvoyvBxv9Cd9PVCbn2hAi9RAAa17LAWRHRbgNI7vwnIo6odWQppuOwHbRT8VtCEv1crNEMmocZw9Uhtoa9UxXhN7izV3qgM68mPGTDLq5mDbyR1-w)(https://i.imgur.com/cREumRG.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/fcHCC7V.jpg)

'sides, we didn't do too bad ... eventually
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/Daimler_Armoured_Car_Mark_2.jpg)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/Humber_Mk_4_Armoured_Car.jpg)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Ithoriel on 23 January 2021, 05:52:16 PM
To be fair, some later Russian recce looked like this :)

(http://www.wardrawings.be/WW2/Images/1-Vehicles(bis)/USSR/3-MediumTanks/T-34.76(mod43-44ChTZ)/p7.jpg)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 23 January 2021, 05:56:10 PM
Can I just say that I wasn't getting at the BA10. I just said it looked archaic.


Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Raider4 on 23 January 2021, 08:23:15 PM
Quote from: fsn on 23 January 2021, 05:25:02 PM
TBH I was thinking of the German, French and Italian equivalents

(https://i.imgur.com/fcHCC7V.jpg)

Oooh, I like this one. Italian?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 23 January 2021, 08:44:07 PM
AB41. Very snazzy.

(https://comandosupremo.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Autoblinda-AB41-1024x679.jpg)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Ithoriel on 23 January 2021, 08:46:38 PM
Quote from: Raider4 on 23 January 2021, 08:23:15 PM
Oooh, I like this one. Italian?

Looks like a Fiat-Ansaldo Autoblinda 41 to me .... but I'm more at home with stuff on the Eastern Front than the Western Desert!

They also look to be firing to their rear. The hull machine gun is in fact rear-facing and apparently when used in attack rather than scouting roles they would attack backwards as the extra machine gun gave more firepower and the engine some crew protection. <Insert Italian gearbox jokes here>
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 24 January 2021, 08:52:33 AM
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I want to be a real tank when I grow up!  These "baby tanks" (Kinderpanzer) were made for the East German National Volksarmee's Young Pioneers (think boy scouts, but with added guns and Marxism).  There were actually a number of different versions, resembling real T-34 or T-55 tanks and even assault guns, with a crew or 2 or 3 boys.  Each one was powered by a Trabant 2 Stroke Car Engine


I don't care what you say, this is so much cooler than crop rotation.  Don't see how you'd fit 3 boys into one of these things though.  :-\
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fred. on 24 January 2021, 09:25:27 AM
Both cool and bizarre.

These seem to have a crew of 2, one of which seems to be a lot smaller, who I assume is the driver.  But it still seems very much a squeeze, but probably good training for Sov Block tanks which were always pretty cramped.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 24 January 2021, 09:41:02 AM
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/gKazbJaiumI9h9R9tpm655m4-tqAzfVvumI74GkhRF6NAO-W3QK5mBfkaHj8cJUxSxVIpVZNVH73Vc01R9kpJ2UjVLwBvoNnfuYpCDiUwI6KuyaHmEvmo-goS0M)(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e8/e2/a9/e8e2a955cfb13d4bb948f6aa3077c62e.jpg)(https://www.mopo.de/image/view/5013498,3647550,highRes,3637_1.jpg.jpg)(http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/janome_gotyou/imgs/d/b/dbf54355.jpg)(http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/janome_gotyou/imgs/b/7/b77624cd.jpg)

Looks like a crew of 2.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Steve J on 24 January 2021, 10:08:57 AM
Bizarre but the sort of thing we would have loved as kids!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 24 January 2021, 01:54:28 PM
Quote from: fsn on 23 January 2021, 05:56:10 PM
Can I just say that I wasn't getting at the BA10. I just said it looked archaic.


Classic early armoured car design:

"Listen up chaps.
Take a large touring car, Rolls Royce is best - obvs, but our allies can make do with their inferior domestic marques.
Bolt on (bolt, none of your fancy rivets) some 8mm armour and fit a machinegun."

Classic "heavy" armoured car design:

"Take the armoured car template, but start with a lorry.
Fit a turret over the flatbed with a quick firer gun"


Armies eventually developed dedicated vehicles, but civilian vehicle conversions were adequate for a very long time.

The Daimler is my favourite.
4 wheel drive, 4 wheel steering (I think), underside skid pan, run flat tyres and full speed gearbox for forward and reverse.
Pretty much state of the art for a wheeled vehicle of its time.


Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 24 January 2021, 01:57:20 PM
Quote from: fred. on 24 January 2021, 09:25:27 AM
Both cool and bizarre.

These seem to have a crew of 2, one of which seems to be a lot smaller, who I assume is the driver.  But it still seems very much a squeeze, but probably good training for Sov Block tanks which were always pretty cramped.

I fancy their chances against an early "Trainer" Panzer 1.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 24 January 2021, 02:58:32 PM
Quote from: steve_holmes_11 on 24 January 2021, 01:54:28 PM
The Daimler is my favourite.
4 wheel drive, 4 wheel steering (I think), underside skid pan, run flat tyres and full speed gearbox for forward and reverse.
Pretty much state of the art for a wheeled vehicle of its time.

The Dingo certainly had 4 Wheel steering apaerently it was possible to get into a circle and never get out til you got used to it.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: pierre the shy on 24 January 2021, 06:33:26 PM
Quote from: fsn on 23 January 2021, 09:24:30 AM
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THE EIGHTH ARMY IN THE KLAGENFURT AREA OF AUSTRIA, MAY 1945.
British military transport carrying supplies for the Eighth Army, passes the frontier station on the border between Italy and Austria. A British military policeman gives guidance to drivers as they pass through.
Creator: Tanner, A. R. (Captain), War Office official photographer.
Source: © IWM TR 2865

Would have been an interesting ride for those 3 blokes sitting on top of the truck's cab if they were going over one of those zig-zagging Italian alpine pass roads and the truck had to stop in a hurry.....hang on tight lads!     
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: paulr on 24 January 2021, 06:52:42 PM
To poorly quote Spike Milligan, "in the war military vehicles moved at 'look at that' speed compared to modern 'did you see that' speed"
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: pierre the shy on 24 January 2021, 11:23:10 PM
Quote from: paulr on 24 January 2021, 06:52:42 PM
To poorly quote Spike Milligan, "in the war military vehicles moved at 'look at that' speed compared to modern 'did you see that' speed"

Made me think of the ending to "The Italian Job"  ;)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 28 January 2021, 08:51:47 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/134496430_2872935102926488_7870534678911475302_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=vrU4bszyiccAX-kOp_X&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=3ff564a11ea08c79bab00528547bffaa&oe=6037E18C)

When your Panther sees an opportunity to pose somewhere cool for a quick selfie....



Diorama opportunity for someone!

... or were the Germans getting really short of AA guns?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: howayman on 29 January 2021, 04:16:48 PM
I hope they managed to get down off the rocks or me thinks they would have been in deep,deep s***.   :)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 29 January 2021, 04:32:06 PM
Quote from: fsn on 28 January 2021, 08:51:47 PM
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When your Panther sees an opportunity to pose somewhere cool for a quick selfie....



Diorama opportunity for someone!

... or were the Germans getting really short of AA guns?


You three have failed your Panzerkorps "Hull down" assessment.
Report to the station, where you will be issued helmets and rifles and put aboard the first train heading east!


Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 29 January 2021, 04:36:44 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p526x296/128626290_3952351821462693_8650515084241021744_o.jpg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=2&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=Q1N095RYyOoAX-JZqD3&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&tp=6&oh=d90723be9709f337a3df4867d3d0a35b&oe=6037F9AA)
THE ROYAL NAVY DURING THE SECOND WORLD WAR.
On board the submarine HMS TRIBUNE. The Officers' bunks.
The cramped conditions on board these vessels did not afford much luxury.
These narrow bunks were often the only personal space a submariner would have.
Creator: Priest, L C (Lt), Royal Navy official photographer.
Source: © IWM A 10906
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Techno II on 29 January 2021, 08:58:14 PM
That's even more cramped than I'd have imagined.  X_X

Cheers - Phil.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Steve J on 29 January 2021, 09:30:05 PM
There's bugger all headroom on the top bunk!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 30 January 2021, 08:05:54 AM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/p843x403/135379276_2872865876266744_3009911701637122848_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=JslRzJUJ5dkAX9zF30O&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&tp=6&oh=2f5e52fbea4fed185222514ca32a4305&oe=603BA1DF)

The Carden-Loyd Light Tank Mk I was introduced in 1929, and normally had a small boxy turret mounting a single .303 Vickers gun.  This however is the A4E2 anti-aircraft variant fitted with twin .5 inch Vickers machine guns.



That looks well tasty! Almost wish I did AVBCW.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Raider4 on 30 January 2021, 08:58:51 AM
Aye, that is cool. Never heard of that one before. Nice find.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Steve J on 30 January 2021, 10:12:02 AM
Very cool indeed 8).
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Speedy of Leighton on 30 January 2021, 10:28:23 AM
Like it
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 30 January 2021, 03:48:10 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p180x540/129092881_3955153317849210_6924525239791257573_o.jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=2&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=uY48WgrcYuAAX-b2xnd&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&tp=6&oh=8c7f05c3c743a7753a0ace72a6ddc341&oe=603BC2F1)


THE ROYAL NAVY DURING THE SECOND WORLD WAR.
In the ward room that has been decorated with balloons and streamers, the First Lieutenant carves the joint during Christmas celebrations on board HMS WESTMINSTER at Rosyth.
Note the vacant chair for the officer on watch. December 1941.
Creator: Smith, J H (Lt), Royal Navy official photographer.
Source: © IWM A 6484
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Techno II on 30 January 2021, 05:23:09 PM
Spot the posed piccy. ;D

And people who really don't want to be photographed.

Come on.....Does Matey really look like he's actually carving that. ;D

Cheers - Phil. :-*
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Orcs on 30 January 2021, 06:01:20 PM
Quote from: Techno II on 30 January 2021, 05:23:09 PM
Spot the posed piccy. ;D

And people who really don't want to be photographed.

Come on.....Does Matey really look like he's actually carving that. ;D

Cheers - Phil. :-*

Yep, and what's the plum duff doing on the table before thy have even started the turkey
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Techno II on 30 January 2021, 06:38:09 PM
Cooling down ?  ;)

Cheers - Phil :)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 31 January 2021, 02:28:00 PM
http://sa-kuva.fi/neo?tem=webneoeng# (http://sa-kuva.fi/neo?tem=webneoeng#)
Found this - Finnish wartime photos.

The captions are in Finnish (Ah, if only we had someone who could speak the language!) so I have used Google Translate, and put the results in as given. Apologies to any Finnish speakers for any offence given.

(http://sa-kuva.fi/static/60/42/166042_r500.jpg)Spraying exercise. Lieutenant Colonel Susitaival and Commander Göransson following. 16/6/42

(http://sa-kuva.fi/static/61/59/166159_r500.jpg)Häme Equestrian Regiment (HRR) men riding and skiing in Velikaja Niva  15/3/42

(http://sa-kuva.fi/static/57/91/165791_r500.jpg)The Bl machine (Bristol Blenheim) is towed into place by a tractor. Refueling Squadron 17.  28/3/44

(http://sa-kuva.fi/static/60/35/166035_r500.jpg) The fighters (pictured Morane-Saulnier M.S.406) take off for a patrol flight: the fire tubes are ready to speak. Sound Castle, Viitana 17/3/42

(http://sa-kuva.fi/static/81/08/118108_r500.jpg) Presentation of new plunge cannons to Marshal Mannerheim of Finland and the President of the Republic. Different types of assault wagons in the passing march.
Enso 04.06.1944
(http://sa-kuva.fi/static/81/12/118112_r500.jpg)


I can see that I may have to get into the Finnish/Soviet conflicts - but not this year! This year is a year of Napoleonics!

But I really, really want "plunge cannons"!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 31 January 2021, 04:04:03 PM
I believe the 2nd from last is a Swedish made Landsverk L62 AA gun, aka the ItPSV41 of which (if Wiki is the be believed) the Finns bought 6.

Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Steve J on 31 January 2021, 05:39:59 PM
Great photos of Finnish stuff we rarely get to see 8).
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: pierre the shy on 31 January 2021, 08:53:23 PM
If you're interested in the "plunge cannons"  aka Landsverk L62 AA gun check out the Hungarian Nimrod AA vehicle which was a real life licensed copy of the original L62. Though not in our hosts WW 2 Hungarian range the Nimrod is the subject of various other manufacturer's ranges in various scales.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 01 February 2021, 06:33:56 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/129392876_3961089927255549_6307431926842617332_o.jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=2&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=Z6gDNFEsHVoAX9criAO&_nc_oc=AQmtDe82H0d_HYwXkdUplcC1g1XvBlZaHRbp7fcEb6Xf_bvCfxsMmAHYbWwsLTQWSzk&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&tp=7&oh=b613e1be75e977cb84c226509191b574&oe=603C55A3)

Seamen sorting out waste paper on board a battleship.
This is part of attempts to salvage every scrap of paper, metal, bone and food for pigs. September 1942.
Creator: Tomlin, H W (Lt), Royal Navy official photographer.
Source: © IWM A 11416


Bet that's a great job. Do you think it was a great chat up line? "Oh yes, I'm in the Warspite, it's a dangerous job. Got a really deep paper cut yesterday."
I love these photos, make those big ships seem more human. 
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 01 February 2021, 07:38:55 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/143534837_2895456284007703_3188234371056675807_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=mH2I6necIo4AX_ud1ru&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=d318e40b45093b8f8dc243b2edfe7725&oe=603CF0F5)

A Chieftain AVRE (CHAVRE) towing two 'Giant Viper' trailers.
The rear trailer is launching the Viper rocket. The Viper system was developed in the 1950's for minefield clearance, rockets launched a 250m hose filled with plastic explosive, the hose was then detonated leaving a clear lane through the minefield.
The CHAVRE is also carrying 3 'maxi' pipe fascines.
Credit: Haynes Publishing
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 05 February 2021, 08:11:10 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p526x296/130826851_3977836578914217_6119436075848884371_o.jpg?_nc_cat=109&ccb=2&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=eWjoU57SMkAAX84AfMH&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&tp=6&oh=1872e0ace301cbe3deed3ba7701f41f2&oe=6043BED6)

NIGHT ATTACK ON ENEMY CONVOY; NAVAL ACTION PICTURES. 12 JANUARY 1945, ON BOARD THE CRUISER HMS NORFOLK DURING THE SUCCESSFUL ATTACK BY SHIPS OF THE HOME FLEET AGAINST AN ENEMY CONVOY CARRYING VITAL WAR SUPPLIES OFF THE COAST OF NORWAY.
Nearing home the tired guns crews of the NORFOLK curl up at the warm base of a funnel to enjoy a well-earned sleep. Empty shell cases are seen in the foreground.
Creator: Coote, R G G (Lt).
Source: © IWM A 27032


How tired they must be to sleep like that
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Steve J on 05 February 2021, 09:21:40 PM
I've fallen asleep sat on a stool working on a model after pulling an all nighter. When the boss found me he sent me home, but how I rode my motorbike safely I'm not sure...
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Orcs on 05 February 2021, 11:12:58 PM
Quote from: Steve J on 05 February 2021, 09:21:40 PM
I've fallen asleep sat on a stool working on a model after pulling an all nighter. When the boss found me he sent me home, but how I rode my motorbike safely I'm not sure...

I have lost count of the mornings I have driven home with all the windows open just to stay awake.

They say that driving home after a night shift is the equivalent of being 2 x over the legal drink limit.

Saw a program a year or so ago about night workers and they interviewed a cleaner who worked 20:00 to 0400 as a cleaner , then drove an HGV al day!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 05 February 2021, 11:26:08 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p180x540/145950857_10159146556405842_8087582663618926764_o.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=rfRgVNUdXJwAX9_Qd_1&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&tp=6&oh=a31853bfc07f9106f45146822d602968&oe=6044D435)

An M4A3E8 Sherman in Korea. Although the more modern M26 & M46 tanks were widely used during the Korean War (1950-53), the Sherman also gave sterling service in both American and Canadian hands. In fact during the later phases of the war the Sherman was often preferred.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 06 February 2021, 07:11:17 AM
Shermans were prefered due to the state of the Korean roads and lack of armoured opposition.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 06 February 2021, 08:52:22 AM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/p843x403/146993315_10159152371555842_4749779553995746813_o.jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=EoKeFAscbgUAX8bdt0K&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&tp=6&oh=9a88f74d1039ea229c61a4e004b0f91c&oe=604341A6)

The only known photograph of the Comet Crocodile.
This was an attempt to fit the Crocodile flamethrower to a faster and more modern tank than the Churchill it had been used with during the Second World War. Ultimately, "while crossing half-timbered trench against 26" step" at a speed of 8 miles per hour the trailer was torn away from the Comet. This damaged its tyres and broke the axle. The trials went no further.


I think this proves that just because you can doesn't mean you should.   "We have a nippy, not greatly armoured tank. Let's attach a big heavy weight on it and give it a short range weapon." 
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 06 February 2021, 08:55:35 AM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p526x296/146689702_2898403763712955_8649518706952027428_o.jpg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=9sze0XKeGg4AX8zeZKV&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&tp=6&oh=1077199bde7d9bec6f3c364434c265ed&oe=6043FDCB)

One of the M4A1 (76) Shermans carried aboard the wartime cargo ship SS Empire Heritage, sunk by a U-boat 15 miles off Malin Head, Donegal, in late 1944.  The Empire Heritage was originally built as the Tafelberg in 1930 in Newcastle, and registered in South Africa.  She had been sunk by a mine in 1941, but was refloated and repaired by the Ministry of War Transport by February 1943.  In September 1944 she was en route from New York to Liverpool as part of convoy HXF 305 with a cargo of vehicles – half-tracks, tanks and trucks – when she was hit by two torpedoes from U-482, going to the bottom with her cargo and 113 of her crew and passengers.   Her wreck is in 70m of water, with some of the vehicles from her cargo scattered around her


Thinking about it, some of my early paint jobs look at bit like that. I say early ...
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Steve J on 06 February 2021, 03:25:10 PM
Wow, that's a lot of tanks in one space! Great photo too 8).
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Orcs on 06 February 2021, 07:58:29 PM
Quote from: fsn on 05 February 2021, 11:26:08 PM

In fact during the later phases of the war the Sherman was often preferred.

That must hurt Nobby.  ;D
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: paulr on 06 February 2021, 08:17:36 PM
Quote from: fsn on 05 February 2021, 11:26:08 PM
Although the more modern M26 & M46 tanks were widely used ... In fact during the later phases of the war the Sherman was often preferred.

A certain British vehicle was not included in the comparison #:-S ;)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Orcs on 06 February 2021, 08:34:13 PM
No response from Nobby, He is probably sobbing in a darkened  room  ;D
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Raider4 on 07 February 2021, 11:23:46 AM
Quote from: fsn on 05 February 2021, 11:26:08 PM
An M4A3E8 Sherman in Korea. Although the more modern M26 & M46 tanks were widely used during the Korean War (1950-53) . . . during the later phases of the war the Sherman was often preferred.

Quote from: paulr on 06 February 2021, 08:17:36 PM
A certain British vehicle was not included in the comparison #:-S ;)

Presumably the original quote is about the Americans? I gather they were mightily impressed by the Centurion, but I doubt they'd have been allowed to borrow a few.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Raider4 on 07 February 2021, 11:25:26 AM
Quote from: fsn on 05 February 2021, 11:26:08 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p180x540/145950857_10159146556405842_8087582663618926764_o.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=rfRgVNUdXJwAX9_Qd_1&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&tp=6&oh=a31853bfc07f9106f45146822d602968&oe=6044D435)

Nice camouflage. Almost BAOR-like.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 07 February 2021, 12:13:25 PM
The dark bits are very dark green. It was used by 2nd Armoured Division in Europe, but it's very hard to see on black and white film.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Techno II on 07 February 2021, 02:10:27 PM
Tell a complete numpty....

Are there two machine guns on the turret ?

From my pitiful 'knowledge ' the bigger one looks like a 50 cal GPMG.
What's the smaller one that's closer to the camera ?
......and why are there two ?

Cheers - Phil :)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Steve J on 07 February 2021, 02:15:00 PM
The smaller one looks like a 0.3" cal mg and is free standing, so probably added firepower for the position they were in.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 07 February 2021, 02:30:16 PM
Yes - the 50 cal on the Cupola, and a scrounge 30 cal on it's bipod straped to the turret for the loader? to use, as John says.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: T13A on 07 February 2021, 02:54:31 PM
Yep

As above, both Browning's; had one of the big ones as a ranging gun on Chieftain when I first joined up and just before lasers took over. A real pig to clean, had the smaller one (which I think is actually on a tripod mount) on my Ferret A/C in NI and on Ferret's in C Squadron (the Sharpshooters), the Royal Yeomanry when I was in the TA.

Cheers Paul
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 07 February 2021, 03:32:31 PM
Quote from: Orcs on 06 February 2021, 08:34:13 PM
No response from Nobby, He is probably sobbing in a darkened  room  ;D
Pshaw! I just assumed that they were talking about 2nd class vehicles.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 07 February 2021, 03:34:07 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p526x296/131082692_3980566491974559_3460664499250948292_o.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=2&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=kQTdvB4acAQAX8Mianr&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&tp=6&oh=3550b461b4e1173825308d866d898fd8&oe=604686B7)

BRITISH SUBMARINE HMS STORM RETURNS HOME FROM THE FAR EAST. 8 APRIL 1945, PORTSMOUTH. MEN OF THE STORM ON THEIR RETURN TO BRITAIN AFTER A SUCCESSFUL COMMISSION IN THE FAR EAST.
HM Submarine STORM a S-class submarine flying her Jolly Roger.
Creator: McNeill, M H A (Lt).
Source: © IWM A 28130

Don't they look awfully clean?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Techno II on 07 February 2021, 03:35:14 PM
 OK.....I'm still coming from the point that I understand bog all....

But I'm keen to try and get my head around 'stuff' that loads of you already know.

Right....the hatch on top of the turret....There's only room for one 'chap' to use either of those machine guns.....even if there were two beanpoles like yours truly trying to get out of the hatch.

You couldn't have two chaps....each using one of the MGs could you ?

Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 07 February 2021, 04:02:00 PM
But there are two - commanders cupola and loaders hatch. Original Shermans had one hatch in the turret cupola but the British added one to the left side on Fireflies cause the loader could'nt crawl over the considerably larger breach, THe US foillowed suite in the Easy 8 (actual des M4A3 HVSS 76mm [Wet}) as from memory their less powerful 76mm had an even biger breach block. And to prove that I'm not omnipitant I had to root out one of PSC Shermings to check.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: T13A on 07 February 2021, 04:05:21 PM
Hi Phil

Regarding the photo of the Sherman, there are two hatches in the top of the turret so the commander would be firing the .50" and the loader the .30". In the photo you can see the belts of ammo. coming from the boxes into the guns, the .50" one is attached to the gun itself, the .30" one is loose on top of the tank turret. With just one man on each gun they would take sometime to reload. The .50" is I think on a permanent mount on top of the turret, goodness knows what would happen if the .30" had to be fired where it is with a tripod mount just laying there loose on top of the turret, I would certainly not like to be anywhere near it!

Cheers Paul
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Techno II on 07 February 2021, 05:25:37 PM
Quote from: ianrs54 on 07 February 2021, 04:02:00 PM
But there are two - commanders cupola and loaders hatch. Original Shermans had one hatch in the turret cupola but the British added one to the left side on Fireflies cause the loader could'nt crawl over the considerably larger breach, THe US foillowed suite in the Easy 8 (actual des M4A3 HVSS 76mm [Wet}) as from memory their less powerful 76mm had an even biger breach block. And to prove that I'm not omnipitant I had to root out one of PSC Shermings to check.

Excellent, Ian.....Something else I can get my head around.... Thanks, Matey.
..and also thanks to you, Paul. :-bd

I genuinely like learning 'stuff' like this.

Cheers - Phil.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Raider4 on 07 February 2021, 07:06:53 PM
As I understand it . . .

In American Shermans in late WW2, the commander had a .30 cal MG attached by the cupola for his use. The .50 cal was attached so that someone standing behind the turret could use it.

Hollywood I know, but they sort of illustrate this:

(http://pics.imcdb.org/0is59/shermann36oa.718.jpg)
(although Oddball appears to be missing his .30 cal)

(https://i0.wp.com/www.heyuguys.com/images/2014/06/Fury-2.jpg)

And, in general, if you see a Sherman with machine guns on the top it's (probably) American. One without the guns is (probably) British. British doctrine was different
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 07 February 2021, 07:56:53 PM
Bit more geekism. In Korea there were often Sandbag replacements on the turret tops.


Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Orcs on 07 February 2021, 09:31:50 PM
Quote from: ianrs54 on 07 February 2021, 07:56:53 PM
Bit more geekism. In Korea there were often Sandbag replacements on the turret tops.


Yes its the tankers equivalent of 'penis envy'.  We got more guns than you so must be better,
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 07 February 2021, 09:58:47 PM
British Sherman. No MG.
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/e1/1f/8c/e11f8ced613f6f74f1b1f17f3a5499a8.jpg)(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRgDRf9PLYcyu_4oqXpvZNUyUtghZqB_VUtKg&usqp=CAU)(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/dNJBKwbbjRrM9PisWhnrWzLWsfRov8H9ZoovDF5IrnbMMy4wYu-xHsxQafUxq41DEqwlRXt1lCcTQ3hPDc9w7-Kj9P-Sj0faBBjPfY3zfJUqVuHZkkYcRsQIPwXLZF-Ds7JjsObfGpPIBtKfxfUuj2o)(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/NvkAAOSwqZNalLbE/s-l500.jpg)

Early US Sherman - 2 fixed hull MGs (though no commanders MG)
(https://i.imgur.com/kw9ZIBQ.jpg)

Thought they did try the M3 style commanders cupola
(https://i.imgur.com/rcaVyF6.jpg)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Orcs on 07 February 2021, 10:35:32 PM
Quote from: fsn on 07 February 2021, 03:34:07 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p526x296/131082692_3980566491974559_3460664499250948292_o.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=2&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=kQTdvB4acAQAX8Mianr&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&tp=6&oh=3550b461b4e1173825308d866d898fd8&oe=604686B7)

BRITISH SUBMARINE HMS STORM RETURNS HOME FROM THE FAR EAST. 8 APRIL 1945, PORTSMOUTH. MEN OF THE STORM ON THEIR RETURN TO BRITAIN AFTER A SUCCESSFUL COMMISSION IN THE FAR EAST.
HM Submarine STORM a S-class submarine flying her Jolly Roger.
Creator: McNeill, M H A (Lt).
Source: © IWM A 28130

Don't they look awfully clean?

Nobby, can you just explain how this picture has anything to do with the Tank Museum .

As far as  I am aware the vehicle in this picture is  has less armor than a bren carrier, and is not very fast in the bocage of Northern France or the plains of western Europe. Its main armament is also of little use in the anti tank role  :) 
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Ithoriel on 08 February 2021, 12:30:54 AM
Quote from: Orcs on 07 February 2021, 10:35:32 PM
Nobby, can you just explain how this picture has anything to do with the Tank Museum .

As far as  I am aware the vehicle in this picture is  has less armor than a bren carrier, and is not very fast in the bocage of Northern France or the plains of western Europe. Its main armament is also of little use in the anti tank role  :) 

OTOH

She's faster through the water than a Sherman DD.

Other than torpedoes she had one three-inch (76 mm) gun, one 20 mm Oerlikon cannon and three .303-calibre machine guns. So she out-guns a Sherman IMHO.

Though I'll grant you armour, as such, is lacking. The hull is able to stand quite a bit of pressure, however. :)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 08 February 2021, 06:46:18 AM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p180x540/148216433_2899708090249189_8535484640037110588_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=7S-g0V17fQ8AX-6XE5g&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&tp=6&oh=08b2698ee1f1b6e62bcce5279d3b2c26&oe=6046EDFA)

The Lynx armoured car was produced by Ford of Canada in Windsor, Ontario. It essentially grafted the hull of the successful British Dingo armoured car onto a chassis fitted with a conventional four-wheel drive and running gear. While the engine was more powerful, than the original, the gearbox and suspension were inferior.  This example is being used by the ARVN during the Vietnam War, and has been modified with an armoured roof and locally fabricated machine-gun turret
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 08 February 2021, 06:48:28 AM
Quote from: Orcs on 07 February 2021, 10:35:32 PM
Nobby, can you just explain how this picture has anything to do with the Tank Museum .

Ah! I'm also on the "Royal Navy During WWII" group.

What can I say? I'm adaptable.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Speedy of Leighton on 08 February 2021, 07:37:55 AM
Think Penguin might get upset as that image if HMS Storm us also used in 'One of our Submarines' which was the 1000th Penguin published..
Great read if you can get it..
🐧 🐧 🐧 🐧 🐧
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 08 February 2021, 09:45:32 AM
I have it. Indeed a great read.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 08 February 2021, 11:33:58 AM
Just a quick note.

The Tank Museum shop has some nice books at reduced pricesr.

https://tankmuseumshop.org/collections/books-dvds (https://tankmuseumshop.org/collections/books-dvds)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 08 February 2021, 11:56:06 AM
Cheers Steve
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 08 February 2021, 12:13:38 PM
Quote from: Orcs on 07 February 2021, 10:35:32 PM
As far as  I am aware the vehicle in this picture is  has less armor than a bren carrier, and is not very fast in the bocage of Northern France or the plains of western Europe. Its main armament is also of little use in the anti tank role  :) 

Ah, but imagine how surprised the Germans would be coming across a sub in the bocage!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 08 February 2021, 04:13:41 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p526x296/148124942_10159161603705842_6575469515208428176_o.jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=BCzKN31gjmsAX_e0-WO&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&tp=6&oh=d9bc1642c3f0af1a5d95c84d01f407ba&oe=60477EC3)

Seven French Renault R35 light tanks lead a column of mounted troops down a mountain road. This small 10 tonne tank was a char d'accompagnement that would be used to support the infantry. It entered service from 1936, replacing the 20 year old Renault FT in this role. Range, armour protection and speed were all around twice that of the FT, but the R35 was a similar size and had the same 37mm SA 18 gun.

When they say "mounted", they mean on gee-gee's.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: hammurabi70 on 08 February 2021, 05:06:22 PM
Quote from: fsn on 08 February 2021, 12:13:38 PM
Ah, but imagine how surprised the Germans would be coming across a sub in the bocage!

I believe the Germans were.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._30_Commando

I remember reading the memoirs of a unit commander whose German officer prisoner was surprised to be captured by the Royal Navy in the middle of Normandy (actually Brittany I think).

Edit:
Patrick Dalzel-Job
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Patrick_Dalzel-Job
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Speedy of Leighton on 08 February 2021, 07:08:55 PM
Dunstan Curtis took the surrender of Keil and then
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunstan_Curtis
Donitz surrendered to the KSLI, his baton is in the Regimental Museum is Shrewsbury Castle (although Patrick, Dunstan's wife, always claimed to me that he refused to surrender himself to the army, so Dunstan Curtis was summonsed as the nearest navel officer as he was nearby...

I still have Dunstan's field glasses.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 13 February 2021, 10:43:52 AM

(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p180x540/147874544_2899813756905289_6240307068575827776_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=BTV7mo7khhUAX_My1wm&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&tp=6&oh=5b56de94c9faf077544420c01053cb95&oe=604ECDAF)

The commander of a Russian T-80BV tank fires the NSV heavy machine gun during the Chechen War, 1994-96.  The T-80BV is an update of the T-80 with a new turret, autoloader, reactive armour and the ability to fire the AT-8 Kobra ATGM through its 125mm main gun tube.  It was found to be vulnerable to catastrophic explosions if penetrated, particularly in urban combat where the upper surfaces could be targeted by opponents in buildings.  The problem was apparently the combustible case rounds in the autoloader, which ignited easily and could cause the entire ammunition load to chain-detonate; later versions have apparently addressed the problem.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Raider4 on 13 February 2021, 02:45:58 PM
Interesting photo. All the little 'blocks' covering the turret are the reactive armour, I believe?, And, a mine-roller sticking out the front?

Quote from: fsn on 13 February 2021, 10:43:52 AM
. . .  later versions have apparently addressed the problem.

That's what they want you to believe . . . ;
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Post by: fsn on 15 February 2021, 07:44:03 PM
Well, nobody's come back and complained.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 15 February 2021, 07:45:21 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s640x640/148624205_2905380456348619_2970703170740218637_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&ccb=3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=U2P7dcB0HZ0AX_8--NI&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&tp=7&oh=1306eab3720bf99935c11f3248af4344&oe=6051170B)

June 22nd 1951, just north of Seoul, South Korea.
Two knocked out and abandoned British Centurion Mk3 tanks are being stripped for recoverable spares.


Gentlemen, a very sad sight.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Raider4 on 16 February 2021, 11:45:17 AM
Not from either Facebook, or the Friends of the Tank Musuem, but:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/US_Army_tanks_face_off_against_Soviet_tanks%2C_Berlin_1961.jpg)

Oh my! Found while looking for info about the M48. From the Wikipedia page on Checkpoint Charlie.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 16 February 2021, 12:23:34 PM
That's a scary picture.
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Post by: Steve J on 16 February 2021, 12:28:48 PM
That sums up the Cold War really :(.
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Post by: Ace of Spades on 16 February 2021, 12:39:08 PM
Nice that they stacked the sandbags around the booth though; that should help a lot!

Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Speedy of Leighton on 16 February 2021, 01:03:23 PM
It was to stop bad drivers damaging it...
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 16 February 2021, 01:04:55 PM
It's not obviuos but the M48s have dozer blades on them as extra "armour".
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 16 February 2021, 01:22:47 PM
On the same theme.
(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/E7DHE4/american-tanks-are-parked-at-checkpoint-charlie-border-crossing-on-E7DHE4.jpg)(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/50c85171dd02e9fd9ca5800a466b49c99a442d6c/0_374_4961_2977/master/4961.jpg?width=700&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=a03c0c505db74945fbe91e0f80ebbe59)(https://dirkdeklein.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/the-standoff-at-checkpoint-charlie-soviet-tanks-facing-american-tanks-1961-3.jpg)
Interesting dozer blades.
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Post by: OldenBUA on 16 February 2021, 02:24:05 PM
Quote from: Steve J on 16 February 2021, 12:28:48 PM
That sums up the Cold War really :(.

Yeah, never heard of Covid, and a tobacconist corner shop. Happy days?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Westmarcher on 16 February 2021, 02:59:35 PM
Quote from: fsn on 16 February 2021, 01:22:47 PM
Interesting dozer blades.

I assume these are 'fixed' and not 'operable' like a conventional bulldozer?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Ace of Spades on 16 February 2021, 03:01:11 PM
Quote from: mad lemmey on 16 February 2021, 01:03:23 PM
It was to stop bad drivers damaging it...
Bad drivers in M48 tanks...? with dozer blades...? Hmmm....

Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Speedy of Leighton on 16 February 2021, 03:29:13 PM
Car and lorry...   ;D
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 16 February 2021, 03:45:26 PM
Narrow streets - Tanks - 20 yr old drivers, dozers !!!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Raider4 on 16 February 2021, 06:16:00 PM
Quote from: fsn on 16 February 2021, 01:22:47 PM
(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/E7DHE4/american-tanks-are-parked-at-checkpoint-charlie-border-crossing-on-E7DHE4.jpg)
Interesting dozer blades.

According to information I have*, the '52' tank was the Company XO, and was usually equipped with a dozer blade as standard.

* Actually about USMC tanks in Vietnam - I'm extrapolating that it might apply to US Army as well . . .

Quote from: fsn on 16 February 2021, 01:22:47 PM
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/50c85171dd02e9fd9ca5800a466b49c99a442d6c/0_374_4961_2977/master/4961.jpg?width=700&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=a03c0c505db74945fbe91e0f80ebbe59)

Looks like an M59 APC behind the tanks? Don't think I've ever seen a photo of one before.
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Post by: fred. on 16 February 2021, 07:18:34 PM
When you paint the bottom of the dozer blade white, you probably aren't expecting to use it very much!

The US tanks are very heavily covered in stars - ID clearly a concern at this time. Rather different to the later Berlin Brigade camo.
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Post by: John Cook on 17 February 2021, 01:16:34 AM
Quote from: Ace of Spades on 16 February 2021, 03:01:11 PM
Bad drivers in M48 tanks...? with dozer blades...? Hmmm....

Cheers,
Rob

And badly trained conscripts, on both sides.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 17 February 2021, 08:45:48 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p180x540/131896738_4005357092828832_328511240755656274_o.jpg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=3&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=QVcq8M6WCWUAX9SBa59&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&tp=6&oh=e6dbf4219fa65a33f246ef94b1c44dcd&oe=60533BDD)

ESKIMO BACK AFTER GETTING A U-BOAT. 27 JUNE 1944, PLYMOUTH. OFFICERS AND MEN OF THE DESTROYER HMS ESKIMO, ON THEIR RETURN AFTER DISPOSING OF A GERMAN U-BOAT IN THE CHANNEL OFF USHANT.
The Commanding Officer of the ESKIMO, Lieut Cdr E S Sinclair, RN, of Harpenden, Herts, on the bridge with his First Lieutenant Lieut R G King, DSO, RN, of Orpington, Kent.
Creator: Tomlin, H W (Lt).


Those two look like they belong on a destroyer or a submarine. Are they trained to put their hands in their pockets like that?   
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Speedy of Leighton on 17 February 2021, 08:53:54 PM
Thumbs out means you can act quicker
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 18 February 2021, 09:09:35 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s600x600/150900041_435816684538925_4597817380716680354_o.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=ZXuSYcj82t0AX8nLBJH&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&tp=7&oh=358fa4ac3ebd2a0e79d75ec3776fd89a&oe=6053FC94)


DADDY'S HOME !!!!
This beautiful photo, taken in October 1945, in Tulse Hill, London, shows Gunner Hector Murdoch greeted by his beloved wife Rosina and his son John. Captured by Japanese forces, Hector spent more than three years in a POW camp in Singapore, where he almost died of Cholera.
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Post by: Steve J on 18 February 2021, 09:37:11 PM
That's a great photo!
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Post by: Westmarcher on 18 February 2021, 10:49:54 PM
Indeed. How often do we see for storyline purposes in movies and TV, the hero returning to a less than welcoming family? Heart warming to see some genuine pleasure when the man returns. The look on that wee boy's face to see his daddy (what age must he have been when they last saw each other?) ....  >:<
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: John Cook on 19 February 2021, 12:56:15 AM
Quote from: Steve J on 18 February 2021, 09:37:11 PM
That's a great photo!

It is.  Check out the 'prefab'.  They were supposed to last ten years.  I remember them on Wandsworth Common in the mid-1960s and I think some were still in use elsewhere in London as recently as 2018.
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Post by: Steve J on 19 February 2021, 06:50:13 AM
We still have some here in Bristol and IIRC, they have been given listed status, or something similar. Apparently a lot of the owners love them.
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Post by: Westmarcher on 19 February 2021, 09:17:19 AM
Likewise in Paisley, Scotland.
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Post by: Ace of Spades on 19 February 2021, 10:22:51 AM
Similar projects in the Netherlands also still stand and are now protected. Amazing how small some of these houses are compared to what we are used to these days...

Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: John Cook on 20 February 2021, 01:38:19 AM
Many of the people who moved into prefabs came from the most heavily bombed parts of the cities, which tended to be ports and industrial areas where housing, such as in the East End of London, tended to be Victorian terraces with outside toilets, often communal, and no bathroom.  The irony was that the prefabs with an indoor toilet and bathroom were a complete revelation and actually far better, and healthier than what they left.  So every cloud has a silver lining and thanks to the Luftwaffe some of the appallingly bad housing in British cities was demolished a long time before it would otherwise have been done.
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Post by: Ithoriel on 20 February 2021, 02:24:37 AM
Quote from: Ace of Spades on 19 February 2021, 10:22:51 AM
Similar projects in the Netherlands also still stand and are now protected. Amazing how small some of these houses are compared to what we are used to these days...

Cheers,
Rob

The prefab houses were so small, on the estate in Rosyth, that it was known locally as Dollytown. First house I lived in as a baby was there.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: paulr on 20 February 2021, 04:08:33 AM
Quote from: John Cook on 20 February 2021, 01:38:19 AM
Many of the people who moved into prefabs came from the most heavily bombed parts of the cities, which tended to be ports and industrial areas where housing, such as in the East End of London, tended to be Victorian terraces with outside toilets, often communal, and no bathroom.  The irony was that the prefabs with an indoor toilet and bathroom were a complete revelation and actually far better, and healthier than what they left.  So every cloud has a silver lining and thanks to the Luftwaffe some of the appallingly bad housing in British cities was demolished a long time before it would otherwise have been done.

What's the Luftwaffe ever done for us...    ;D
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Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 20 February 2021, 06:44:07 AM
In Liverpool it was the city council who removed most of the slums....last prefabs disappeared in the early to mid 60's.
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Post by: fsn on 20 February 2021, 11:12:24 AM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/p843x403/148103202_2899820560237942_1839666032482574292_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=9NbmL8xVekMAX_zUukp&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&tp=6&oh=ac7ebe29f93563330bb7ad49b7ca25df&oe=60566C80)

This very unusual conversion seems to be a captured T34 fitted with a German flakvierling 38 20mm quad mount in a locally produced turret.  It was supposedly used by Schwere Panzerjäger-Abteilung 653, the heavy anti-tank battalion equipped with Elefant / Ferdinand tank hunters.  However, the date given is July 1944, by which time the unit had moved to the Italian front, and I'm afraid we don't have primary sources for either unit or date.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 20 February 2021, 11:20:48 AM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/151944187_10159189376655842_4318229686648844002_o.jpg?_nc_cat=109&ccb=3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=AyW0S8NlH60AX85ImSq&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=7c68ebe97b52319da83b5b7b38f22683&oe=60579FC3)

A burst of flame fired from a Matilda Frog. The Frog was developed by the Australians from the A12 Matilda tank. 25 were converted in 1944. The flame thrower was operated by gas pressure. It had a range of around 100m but needed 20 seconds between shots for the pressure to rise again. The Frog saw service in New Guinea. Matildas of all types were popular with the Australians as they were heavily armoured and had enough firepower for the bunkers that were their main targets. Some stayed in service until 1955, and today most surviving Matildas can be found in Australia.


It's the poor people in the ambulances I feel sorry for.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 20 February 2021, 12:22:56 PM
Quote from: John Cook on 20 February 2021, 01:38:19 AM
Many of the people who moved into prefabs came from the most heavily bombed parts of the cities, which tended to be ports and industrial areas where housing, such as in the East End of London, tended to be Victorian terraces with outside toilets, often communal, and no bathroom.  The irony was that the prefabs with an indoor toilet and bathroom were a complete revelation and actually far better, and healthier than what they left.  So every cloud has a silver lining and thanks to the Luftwaffe some of the appallingly bad housing in British cities was demolished a long time before it would otherwise have been done.

There's a joke: Postwar I'm sure, about a bombing raid on (insert town name here) causing a quarter million pound's worth of improvements.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Ithoriel on 20 February 2021, 12:26:23 PM
"Come friendly bombs and fall on Slough" :D
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 20 February 2021, 12:31:31 PM
Quote from: paulr on 20 February 2021, 04:08:33 AM
What's the Luftwaffe ever done for us...    ;D

Among other "improvements" postwar bombsites became urban car parks, or venues of ad-hoc cycle speedway clubs.

In my home town of Ilford, the Super Cinema took a V1 strike.
Postwar the site was rebuilt as the glamorous new C&A store.

Slightly further north the Fairlop Oak Pub's rubble became home to several cycle speedway groups.
When the New Fairlop Oak was built, a fundraiser constructed a track on the edge of the old Fairlop airfield, and the action shifted out there.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 21 February 2021, 09:08:29 AM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/151371296_10159189491635842_4352235452627637481_o.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=zoRlto--dogAX81x8ze&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&tp=7&oh=013a41ca1bd2b4f2f3506be742f774ae&oe=6058F8FB)

A Troop of Centurions from 6th Royal Tank Regiment making great use of the local flora for camouflage. The 'Hohne Organ' attached to the end of the gun barrels was an early form of gunfire simulator. Each tube contained a bag of electrically detonated explosive powder. The resulting puff of smoke had the same effect for training purposes, but was far cheaper than firing a main gun round. This photograph was taken by Hugh Leach, who served with 3rd and 6th RTR during the 1950s and 60s, including taking part in the Suez invasion in 1956.
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Post by: Orcs on 21 February 2021, 01:07:02 PM
Quote from: steve_holmes_11 on 20 February 2021, 12:31:31 PM
Among other "improvements" postwar bombsites became urban car parks, or venues of ad-hoc cycle speedway clubs.

In my home town of Ilford, the Super Cinema took a V1 strike.
Postwar the site was rebuilt as the glamorous new C&A store.

Slightly further north the Fairlop Oak Pub's rubble became home to several cycle speedway groups.
When the New Fairlop Oak was built, a fundraiser constructed a track on the edge of the old Fairlop airfield, and the action shifted out there.


I grew up in Goodmayes just outside of Ilford.  Our house had a crack up the outside wall from where a bomb landed in the Goodmayes Park. The crack was still there when we sold the house on my parents death in 2010.

Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: T13A on 21 February 2021, 05:08:09 PM
Hi FSN

QuoteA Troop of Centurions from 6th Royal Tank Regiment

The tank in the middle doesn't look right to me, not 100% sure that it is in fact a Centurion........just maybe it's a.......

Cheers Paul
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 21 February 2021, 05:24:34 PM
 :P 

Even covered with foliage the beauty of the Centurion is quite distinctive!

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Post by: fsn on 23 February 2021, 12:14:00 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p180x540/153238346_2910754952477836_3987079054227378135_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=qk26LbKfk48AX8VLRRh&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&tp=6&oh=26e444a93ff8dfeea740ee509adf83dd&oe=6059C280)

Even disguised as a fish.





Painting competition 2022.
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Post by: Raider4 on 23 February 2021, 12:16:58 PM
Quote from: fsn on 23 February 2021, 12:14:00 PM
Even disguised as a fish.

Aaargggh, my eyes!

That is quite horrible.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 23 February 2021, 12:17:26 PM
Well there was an attempt to make a DD version, it didn't work !
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: T13A on 23 February 2021, 12:35:43 PM
Hi

I the 1970's 4RTR's Chieftain's  still had 'eyes' on either side of the turrets, it was a 4RTR thing.  :)

Cheers Paul
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 23 February 2021, 12:54:56 PM
Dates back to 1917 - Chinese Labouers decied the Mk IV's need eyes otherwise they couldn't see where they were going !
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Steve J on 23 February 2021, 02:29:32 PM
Mad, but pretty cool nonetheless 8).
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Ace of Spades on 24 February 2021, 06:13:52 AM
I like a bit of 'nose art', pin-ups and names on planes and fighting vehicles. I even like the Korean War 'Tiger' paint jobs and fish-tail exhausts on motorcycles but this.... my god.
It's blasphemy really...

Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 24 February 2021, 06:35:58 AM
Quote from: ianrs54 on 23 February 2021, 12:17:26 PM
Well there was an attempt to make a DD version, it didn't work !
;D ;D ;D ;D

=D> =D>

Well played Sir.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Orcs on 24 February 2021, 12:59:29 PM
Quote from: ianrs54 on 23 February 2021, 12:17:26 PM
Well there was an attempt to make a DD version, it didn't work !

I  had a  couple of girlfriend's who were DD versions.  They worked well :d
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 24 February 2021, 01:30:01 PM
Quote from: Orcs on 24 February 2021, 12:59:29 PM
I  had a  couple of girlfriend's who were DD versions.  They worked well :d

Alus knew Orcs wuz crude  :(
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 25 February 2021, 06:57:31 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p180x540/148027414_2899847836901881_6925476520413763746_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=eOwsuND4UowAX9EMBCk&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&tp=6&oh=ebe45d30fb04a636ad518bd54824eb48&oe=605EA689)

Sometimes, you find very odd things going through the archives.  This is the crew of a Pan-Am Boeing 747 posing on an abandoned Iraqi T-54-55 in the aftermath of the 1991 Gulf War, with burning oil wells behind them.

Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Steve J on 25 February 2021, 08:53:01 PM
Bizarre!
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Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 25 February 2021, 09:04:37 PM
Quote from: fsn on 25 February 2021, 06:57:31 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p180x540/148027414_2899847836901881_6925476520413763746_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=eOwsuND4UowAX9EMBCk&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&tp=6&oh=ebe45d30fb04a636ad518bd54824eb48&oe=605EA689)

Sometimes, you find very odd things going through the archives.  This is the crew of a Pan-Am Boeing 747 posing on an abandoned Iraqi T-54-55 in the aftermath of the 1991 Gulf War, with burning oil wells behind them.



It does look as though they captured, and brewed up the tank.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 26 February 2021, 07:03:27 AM
Almost as weird as the fish Cent
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 26 February 2021, 07:26:45 AM
What makes it worse for me is that the chap in the hat is obviously Steve Carrell.

Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: sultanbev on 26 February 2021, 08:44:57 PM
Nerds step forward and be proud:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA_3sG7LSl8&feature=emb_logo

Superb Tank Museum video on tank modelling.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 26 February 2021, 09:08:59 PM
This is Sultanbev's video.


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Post by: fsn on 04 March 2021, 09:10:11 PM
Not anything particularly military, but lovely photos nonetheless.

(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p526x296/156712993_1689581151214218_584111281457803040_o.png?_nc_cat=1&ccb=3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=q1EuDT9ngwgAX-Rpw_3&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&_nc_tp=30&oh=7fa327c42f80431d7c4575e13916199e&oe=60681AB8)
Portrait of a Lakota Native American girl, 1890.

(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/153656461_1684799791692354_3345110528411048963_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=sg3ZLP9oGYEAX8PfSxN&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=ba5a050efecbb019b1ccf1c47ca5b5a4&oe=6066B296)
Portrait of a Navajo woman, circa 1904.
Source: Photographed by Edward S. Curtis, Library of Congress Prints and Photographs Division.

(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/145751930_1673181022854231_1783481751464449451_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=FV8-TkMrD-wAX8EY4Tq&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&tp=7&oh=5b3f5d1ab96ad37659f72b8f5bab8904&oe=6066B2EC)
Portrait of O-o-be, a Kiowa Native American, circa 1895.
Source: National Museum of the American Indian.


Sorry for my absence, which none of you seem to have noticed, but I've no been weel.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: paulr on 04 March 2021, 11:49:58 PM
Hope you are getting better Nobby, I was wondering why the forum seemed a bit more 'normal' ;) ;D
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Speedy of Leighton on 05 March 2021, 06:58:47 AM
Hugs Nobby
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 05 March 2021, 07:04:02 AM
Nowt serious I hope Nobby ?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Techno II on 05 March 2021, 07:23:42 AM
Quote from: ianrs54 on 05 March 2021, 07:04:02 AM
Nowt serious I hope Nobby ?

Get well soon, chum.....Must admit I thought you were having a busy time work wise.
Like Ian.....Hope it's nothing serious.

All the best - Phil.
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Post by: Steve J on 05 March 2021, 08:42:25 AM
Hope you feel better soon!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 05 March 2021, 09:06:04 PM
Thank you gentlemen.

I had a bit of a 'flu. Couple of days in bed feeling very sorry for myself.

Much better now.


Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Steve J on 05 March 2021, 10:04:37 PM
Glad to hear you're on the mend :)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Westmarcher on 06 March 2021, 12:11:16 AM
Quote from: fsn on 05 March 2021, 09:06:04 PM
Thank you gentlemen.

I had a bit of a 'flu. Couple of days in bed feeling very sorry for myself.

Much better now.
A worrying time, with Covid at large. Take it easy.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 09 March 2021, 09:46:11 AM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s600x600/158549364_2920703201483011_8166136000949280843_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=6jXUE1Og2xMAX8RMKzM&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&tp=7&oh=d3accd2dd24b1aad696edd70887f0fb1&oe=606BD497)

Is that an RPG stuck in the bumper?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Techno II on 09 March 2021, 10:30:59 AM
Stroll on !

I certainly wouldn't want to be the mechanic trying to remove that. :o

Cheers - Phil.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Ace of Spades on 09 March 2021, 10:38:34 AM
Perhaps it's a booster rocket?

Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Speedy of Leighton on 09 March 2021, 11:12:28 AM
Shows how tough those old Toyotas are!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Raider4 on 09 March 2021, 11:48:13 AM
Quote from: mad lemmey on 09 March 2021, 11:12:28 AM
Shows how tough those old Toyotas are!

Well, if it does not detonate toughness doesn't really come into it ;)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Orcs on 09 March 2021, 08:37:02 PM
Hope you feel Better Nobby.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Orcs on 09 March 2021, 08:38:03 PM
Quote from: steve_holmes_11 on 25 February 2021, 09:04:37 PM
It does look as though they captured, and brewed up the tank.

They only did that just in time, and a little poignant, as PAN AM- brewed up (Collapsed in 1991).
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 11 March 2021, 08:12:48 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s640x640/159420176_4240364162661456_956856853261989091_o.jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=DqsSwN6eRZEAX9qAmRw&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&tp=7&oh=65282ff7d437121a9d2d7fdb9cc2007f&oe=606FDF0B)

INDIAN ARMOURED CORPS IN THE MIDDLE EAST, 1944.
Sherman tank crews of the Scinde Horse Regiment, part of the Indian 31st Armoured Division in Iraq.
In the foreground, a party of Sikhs is being given instruction on stripping and cleaning a Browning gun, by a Viceroy's Commissioned Officer.
Part of: MINISTRY OF INFORMATION SECOND WORLD WAR OFFICIAL COLLECTION.
Source: © IWM K 6692
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 13 March 2021, 08:07:50 AM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/157168378_2919206118299386_1839287057338555485_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=Tcg42wKXSlEAX-Dzlzi&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=f07fd3d483aade2703ee402cdd41d795&oe=6073F884)

They say necessity is the mother of invention, and the last decade of wars and insurgencies across the middle east has certainly produced some unexpected conversions.  This is one of the more unusual – a humvee fitted with the turret from an old BMP-1 IFV seen in Yemen
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Orcs on 13 March 2021, 03:19:51 PM
Quote from: fsn on 11 March 2021, 08:12:48 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s640x640/159420176_4240364162661456_956856853261989091_o.jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=DqsSwN6eRZEAX9qAmRw&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&tp=7&oh=65282ff7d437121a9d2d7fdb9cc2007f&oe=606FDF0B)

INDIAN ARMOURED CORPS IN THE MIDDLE EAST, 1944.
Sherman tank crews of the Scinde Horse Regiment, part of the Indian 31st Armoured Division in Iraq.
In the foreground, a party of Sikhs is being given instruction on stripping and cleaning a Browning gun, by a Viceroy's Commissioned Officer.
Part of: MINISTRY OF INFORMATION SECOND WORLD WAR OFFICIAL COLLECTION.
Source: © IWM K 6692

Interestingly, the tanks all have uniform camouflage
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 13 March 2021, 03:23:24 PM
I hadn't noticed that!

What intrigued me was their uniforms.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Steve J on 13 March 2021, 03:27:36 PM
IIRC the British had camo patterns to follow, as I've seen the same on early war tanks where they all have the same pattern, near as damnit.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 13 March 2021, 03:39:51 PM
Thats true Steve. You see Grants, Shermans and Crusaders with the white outline to the brown because the crew had not painted over the full area outlined by the engineers. Most armies do have standard patterns - even for MERDEC, one of the reasons it was withdrawn is that the crew painted vehicles were none standard.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 16 March 2021, 08:35:44 PM
(https://warnet-asset.s3.amazonaws.com/articles/pictures/000/000/314/content/charbp5s01-d7681a725bdd6f38b0225bcd02407b22.jpg)

Char B1 in German hands.

For some reason I imagine the chap sat there sounds like this ....
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Raider4 on 16 March 2021, 09:06:17 PM
Quote from: fsn on 16 March 2021, 08:35:44 PM
(https://warnet-asset.s3.amazonaws.com/articles/pictures/000/000/314/content/charbp5s01-d7681a725bdd6f38b0225bcd02407b22.jpg)

Obviously the inspiration for all those "woman in bikini lying on the bonnet" pictures you used to get at car launches/motor shows.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: sultanbev on 16 March 2021, 11:51:30 PM
I've spent most of today failing to find an armour schematic for the Char B1bis showing the actual plate thicknesses for each part of the tank.
Sources don't even agree on the flat plate thickness of the hull side (it's either 55mm or 60mm).
The turret sides and rear are apparently 56mm thick, but it's the various parts of the turret front and hull front with their varying angles that I'm after.

This pic here shows the turret varies, but not the actual values
https://warspot.net/68-char-b1-bis-general-estienne-s-legacy/images?name=%2F000%2F000%2F887%2Fcontent%2Fcharbp3s01-0ca88fa558e13ea670e15271cd54d15b-89e0ff6185b7c27b4d13e9c972bb4912.jpg

For instance the MG mantlet is actually spaced armour, but the plates are considerably thinner than the 56mm turret side plates. Normally this wouldn't matter but the MG port mantlet is so a huge part of the turret front that plenty of shots aimed at the turret are gonna hit the thing.

I've managed to find the equivalent data for the Somua S-35 and it's quite startling how the Line of Sight thicknesses vary when facing frontally.
Mark
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 18 March 2021, 08:28:11 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/161920260_10159258626010842_8471525783243516026_o.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=JdvCLmDXPB0AX8HzghO&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=9e22dae70c8936ed413eb354db3c439a&oe=607A05B9)

The Centurion was first used in mid-1945, when six prototypes were sent to Germany at the end of the Second World War. The production standard Mark 1 entered service in 1946. Only 100 Mark 1s were produced, subsequent versions were more heavily armoured and used a different design of turret. This no longer featured the unsuccessful independent machine gun.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fred. on 18 March 2021, 09:00:06 PM
It looks very like a Comet from this angle - especially without the side skirts
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Orcs on 19 March 2021, 05:34:30 PM
Quote from: fred. on 18 March 2021, 09:00:06 PM
It looks very like a Comet from this angle - especially without the side skirts

Well that was its heritage
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: pierre the shy on 19 March 2021, 06:41:37 PM
"Look Sir T-34's advancing from the East....hundreds of them!!"  ;)

Thats very much a photo of two halves isn't it?

On the left four members of the Cent's crew sit/stand idly waiting for the small "O" group on the right to decide their next move..... 

Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 20 March 2021, 06:56:29 AM
Looks very like the one contour on Salisbury plain
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 31 March 2021, 06:05:49 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-0/p180x540/158300010_2919213601631971_5022303596152246983_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=j0y_QzrwAXMAX8GGMIu&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&tp=6&oh=81c8d6eef3e189967b9372e672baa6bc&oe=608AD0A7)

Most Indian Army units fought loyally for the British, but small units were raised to fight against them by both the Japanese (the Indian National Army) and the Germans (The Free India Legion).  The latter was raised from an initial core of political exiles living in Germany, supplemented by Indian POWs captured in North Africa.  They mostly served as internal security units in western Europe, though some saw combat against British and Polish troops in Italy.  These men are manning an MG34 position on the Atlantic Wall near Bordeaux several months before D-day


:o
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Raider4 on 31 March 2021, 06:10:54 PM
Certainly surprising the Nazis would want such a thing.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 31 March 2021, 07:59:17 PM
Quote from: Raider4 on 31 March 2021, 06:10:54 PM
Certainly surprising the Nazis would want such a thing.

I intend no credibility toward the insane Nazi doctrine, but I understand that some took the whole Indian / Aryan / Swastikas thing quite seriously.

You'll always find these master race types creating bizarre exceptions.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Ace of Spades on 02 April 2021, 11:28:27 AM
The nazi's were smart enough to set people up against each other. Indians versus the British imperialists, Bosnian Muslims versus Jews, Ukrainians and cossacks against communists etc. As long as they would help them out they were welcome. How they planned to deal with them after the Endsieg luckily remains to be speculation. I don't believe they would have been given huge rewards...not much exceeding a 7.62 I fear.

Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 03 April 2021, 10:23:55 AM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-0/p180x540/168169154_2940282322858432_8829393641388585491_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=wfMQBh7RDx0AX9yYrkZ&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&tp=6&oh=ea66a48edd886e9b3f214d119557f4b9&oe=608C4CEA)


With the recent Defence Review, the British Army is going speed up the arrival of the 8x8 wheeled Boxer APC, which will replace the existing tracked Warrior IFV.  The Boxer is a joint German / Dutch design, and is already in service with those countries, Australia and Lithuania.  The UK had originally been a participant in the Boxer programme, but withdrew to develop its own "Future Rapid Effect System" programme, then rejoined in 2018.  The most notable feature of the Boxer is its modular nature – the same chassis and drive unit can be fitted with one of several "mission modules", which can changed in less than an hour, allowing the fleet to be reconfigured for changing needs at relatively low costs.   There are currently 15 different mission modules available, including APC, ambulance, command post, 30mm cannon turret, mortar carrier and even an autoloading 155mm howitzer.


Can't help thinking the new camouflage scheme has even fewer uses than the Berlin scheme.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Raider4 on 03 April 2021, 10:35:05 AM
Quote from: fsn on 03 April 2021, 10:23:55 AM
Can't help thinking the new camouflage scheme has even fewer uses than the Berlin scheme.

Oh, I dunno, You could hide it in the background of a Tory minister's Zoom meeting. And there's probably still a few kerbs in Belfast that it could be parked alongside and just meld in?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: T13A on 03 April 2021, 10:47:33 AM
Hi

Was it just me that on first inspection it looked as if it was made out of Lego?  ;)

Cheers Paul
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 03 April 2021, 11:32:18 AM
Well you don't think the current govt would buy an armoured vehicle, far too sensible  :'(
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 04 April 2021, 09:43:41 AM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-0/p526x296/168991090_2859542097667497_2054352132617603028_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=8g4PtTffbYMAX-HEgP1&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&tp=6&oh=0cc301e4b0e0b8acff86bea477abb5f5&oe=6090ECD9)

Six Avro Vulcan B.2's and six Handley Page Victor B.2's lined up at RAF Scampton in their 'anti-flash' white paint scheme.


There's lovely!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 04 April 2021, 09:57:48 AM
Nice one
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Big Insect on 04 April 2021, 10:45:53 AM
I think the slogan on the side of the Boxer is a bit rich, considering it is a European collaboration.
But nice to see our ancesteral heritage from the continent being acknowledged   ;)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 05 April 2021, 08:41:43 AM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-0/p526x296/169006946_2859539564334417_5234228879373345128_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=zptgyeHbQYQAX8rYpJ0&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&tp=6&oh=91a7a4c0563e487712242e87a68a4942&oe=608F581F)

A Avro Vulcan leads in 'Vic' formation four English Electric Lightning F.6s during a flight in April 1968, to mark the disbanding of Fighter and Bomber Commands and the formation of RAF Strike Command.




Them were the days when 'planes looked good. :D
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Speedy of Leighton on 05 April 2021, 09:44:07 AM
The archaeologist in me ignored the planes and focused in on the massive crop marks bottom right...
wrong that
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 05 April 2021, 09:57:55 AM
How can you ignore Lightenings
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Speedy of Leighton on 05 April 2021, 09:59:32 AM
There's also something in the upper left..
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: pierre the shy on 05 April 2021, 12:42:50 PM
Quote from: ianrs54 on 05 April 2021, 09:57:55 AM
How can you ignore Lightnings

You can't really ignore the Lightning in this photo:

https://fearoflanding.com/photography/the-story-behind-an-unbelievable-photograph/

somewhat amazingly the pilot did survive dispite ejecting at very low level and going through the roof of a greenhouse full of tomato plants.....

Looks like the Lightning left its own crop marking where it impacted  ;)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 05 April 2021, 01:58:09 PM
My grandad had a tractor like that.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Speedy of Leighton on 05 April 2021, 06:12:21 PM
A Fordson Super Major, very collectable now!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Raider4 on 12 April 2021, 10:09:42 PM
(https://nationalinterest.org/sites/default/files/styles/desktop__1260_/public/main_images/wiesel1tank.jpg?itok=Sot_8aUy)

Germany still fields tankettes (https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/wiesel-germanys-killer-mini-tanks-has-been-forgotten-141602)! Looks almost like an upgraded Vickers Light Mk.VI . . .

Love the little bit of plastic to stop it rolling backwards.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Orcs on 12 April 2021, 10:20:14 PM
Decidedly more punch than a Tetrach.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Steve J on 13 April 2021, 07:23:15 AM
It does have something of a tankette look about it for sure.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Raider4 on 13 April 2021, 09:13:19 AM
Yeah, it's not that much smaller than our Scorpion/Scimitar vehicles - slighlty 'stubbier', maybe.

I just saw that picture and thought it looked very much like a Vickers ;)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 13 April 2021, 01:39:03 PM
Definately the Vickers / Carden LLoyd look.

I find it hard to take armour that size seriously (Unless it has a Jaguar engine).
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Orcs on 14 April 2021, 12:56:30 AM
Quote from: steve_holmes_11 on 13 April 2021, 01:39:03 PM
Definately the Vickers / Carden LLoyd look.

I find it hard to take armour that size seriously (Unless it has a Jaguar engine).

It probably has a Porsche or Mercedes engine
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 17 April 2021, 09:28:52 AM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/168113147_2940310506188947_3383954553829912041_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=PTIaeBTSersAX_hWGNZ&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=149187491bfe247abfa4452dd670f629&oe=60A0F61A)

With the rise of Cold War tensions following the Cuban missile crisis in late 1962, the US conducted "Exercise BIG LIFT" in 1963 to demonstrate its ability to transfer reinforcements to Europe very rapidly if required.  The exercise transferred the personnel of a complete Armoured  Division from Texas to Europe in four days, where they married up with pre-positioned heavy equipment and armour.  As much of the point of the exercise was deterrence, it was highly publicised in the news and media, hence this photo from LIFE magazine


AKA Soviet bomber pilot's dream come true.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 17 April 2021, 07:11:20 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/172042947_523703322126926_7012624625963496252_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=atjXetyCTskAX_fTx2t&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=caed0eebc760ded3d1950885b49a2ada&oe=60A1AA3B)

KV2 turret - right?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Speedy of Leighton on 17 April 2021, 11:40:04 PM
KV-2?
That's Rameses IV!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 18 April 2021, 06:49:19 AM
You're asking questions you know the answer to Nobby..
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 01 May 2021, 06:17:30 PM
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Raider4 on 01 May 2021, 07:13:23 PM
Good stuff! Don't think I'd have liked to be in those cruisers when they took their flying leaps into the river. Can hear my spine screaming at the thought of it.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: pierre the shy on 01 May 2021, 07:33:26 PM
A13 Cruisers described in the soundtrack as being "remorseless juggernaughts mowing down all before them".....purhaps a tad optimistic?

But they do seem to make good bulldozers......must remember that tactic next time we play a 1940 game with built up areas  ;)

Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Steve J on 01 May 2021, 08:11:35 PM
Great footage but the crews must have been a bit shaken up afterwards!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 01 May 2021, 08:26:28 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/180776890_2961981987355132_5781485591032685645_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=rlAi5trCBBAAX_w6Lrp&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=02fae51d7478f1b7af4eef5e3b3f9076&oe=60B21A98)

During the second world war, the German forces made extensive use of captured vehicles to supplement their own production, often using the lighter examples as the basis for conversions to carry more powerful weapons in limited-traverse mounts to give them a new lease of life. This German Geschützwagen Mk VI 736 (e) was based on British Mk VI light tanks abandoned or captured during the 1940 campaign, replacing their original machinegun turrets with German 10.5 cm leFH 16 light howitzers.


Aw! It's like a baby Wespe!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: paulr on 01 May 2021, 09:41:00 PM
That sums up just how desperate the Germans were for vehicles X_X
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Steve J on 01 May 2021, 10:07:04 PM
Desperate but I don't know about you, but I love them!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 21 May 2021, 10:55:57 PM
(https://illumeably-bfemqo5fqfr.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/33-81ba4b4e3fea070e2fcb689faf3e52b7.jpg)

The Scottish soldiers wore a kilt as a part of their uniform and their outfit seems to grab some attention. This Italian woman is curious to know what all those pleats are about.

This picture was captured in 1944 after the liberation of Rome. This news of liberation led to an exciting environment with celebrations around the city. When Hitler passed the orders regarding the military forces to leave Rome, people headed to the streets to throw flowers on vehicles on the roads.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 22 May 2021, 06:47:29 AM
Looks like far too much gun for the chaissis on the Mk Vi.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 22 May 2021, 08:41:41 AM
Is that what she's saying about the kilt?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Steve J on 22 May 2021, 09:13:07 AM
Very good :D
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 22 May 2021, 08:29:36 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/189788322_4466238283407375_2808520386723579960_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=aGDh2Jv7J4wAX9yI8JK&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=1432ae4db0a258f1dbfa611cdc9fb303&oe=60CD5839)

Original wartime caption: The Atherton Jack in operation with a Churchill tank.
Creator: War Office official photographer, Captain Console.
Source: © IWM H 23763


Hang on. That's not a Churchill. Anyone got an explanation?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fred. on 22 May 2021, 09:01:40 PM
Looks very much like a Crusader

I guess it just got mis-captioned
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 23 May 2021, 07:33:02 AM
I agree it's a Crusader not a Churchill
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Raider4 on 24 May 2021, 10:46:08 PM
Photographers/caption writers are not necessarily technical experts?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: John Cook on 25 May 2021, 12:54:23 AM
Quote from: Raider4 on 24 May 2021, 10:46:08 PM
Photographers/caption writers are not necessarily technical experts?

No they often aren't.  This is a wartime release so it could be deception I suppose.  Anyway, here is a Churchill also from the IWM.

(https://i.imgur.com/7gdQHHc.jpg)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Big Insect on 25 May 2021, 12:05:47 PM
Quote from: fsn on 01 May 2021, 06:17:30 PM


Blimey! You do wonder how much damage was done to the gun barrels and MGs by crashing through all that brick & mortar!
Great bit of archive footage though - stirring stuff - I almost signed-up  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Steve J on 25 May 2021, 02:01:52 PM
Very true Mark! Good for the folks back home but not if you're fighting at the front.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 29 May 2021, 06:21:04 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/184822250_2967997106753620_4221403981935057407_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=n_FswFQ0jaMAX8tF81S&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=1b8c3b700e7ac39496cdbf90a40ced4d&oe=60D77AE7)

The Japanese Type 97 Chi-Ha medium tank is usually thought of purely as a WW2 vehicle, but it had an unexpectedly long afterlife in China.  The Japanese had conquered large areas of China before WW2, and indeed it was the western oil embargoes resulting from these that mostly drew them into the war.  There were still significant Japanese forces in China when the atomic strikes forced the Japanese surrender, and these turned over their vehicles and weapons to whatever forces – Nationalist or Communist – they were opposing.  The result was that both sides gained numbers of these vehicles which they used against each other, and with no more advanced tanks to oppose them, the Chi-Ha's outdated armour and gun were not  as problematic as against US vehicles.  The photograph shows a communist tank unit in 1949, when the Japanese tanks made up most of the 349 tanks the Peoples' Army had in service



They look like they've all been shot by a very proficient sniper
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: paulr on 29 May 2021, 09:09:33 PM
Quote
The Japanese had conquered large areas of China before WW2, and indeed it was the western oil embargoes resulting from these that mostly drew them into the war.  
An 'interesting' way of describing Japan's entry into WWII :-\

I'm sure FSN copied and pasted the caption
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 30 May 2021, 06:49:29 AM
Indeed. My comments are in italics.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 31 May 2021, 07:30:08 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-0/p526x296/193703212_2985543038332360_6949976435078835752_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=AkBUtfK9XEYAX9lp7zA&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&tp=6&oh=6d40c6a98aaae5009e67bcd774750733&oe=60DBAC4D)

Centurion tanks during a railway move somewhere in Germany.

Why are all the turrets rotated? 
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Raider4 on 31 May 2021, 07:42:16 PM
Nice photo!

More room over the engine deck than at the front. Modern British MBTs always travel that way. Stops the barrel sticking out more than necessary.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fred. on 31 May 2021, 07:43:57 PM
Yes,  but I suspect the question is why are they pointing at the rear corner, rather than straight back. The only reason I can think is so that they don't overhang the back of the tank, but not sure why that would matter?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Westmarcher on 31 May 2021, 08:33:22 PM
Nearest anchor point on the flatbed?  (there's also something wrapped around the barrels of the 2nd and 3rd Cents back suggesting that is how they are secured)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Smoking gun on 01 June 2021, 03:57:07 PM
Is it so the turret bustle doesn't block the drivers hatch?

Best wishes,
Martin
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 02 June 2021, 06:40:13 AM
Quote from: Smoking gun on 01 June 2021, 03:57:07 PM
Is it so the turret bustle doesn't block the drivers hatch?

Best wishes,
Martin

Distinct possibillity there. Couyld also be where the travel lock is located.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 02 June 2021, 06:11:18 PM
Turret bustle! Anchor point! Pshaw!

There's a saucy French tank flaunting herself and all the Centurions want a gander. 
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Westmarcher on 02 June 2021, 09:12:48 PM
Quote from: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 02 June 2021, 06:40:13 AM
Couyld also be where the travel lock is located.

Think you might have it, there. Sounds the most plausible to me.

@fsn: Do you have the Centurion Owner's Workshop Manual and does it mention a travel lock for meeting railway transport standards?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 03 June 2021, 08:27:59 PM
Of course!

And rather boringly, yes, it's the travel lock.

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/15/57/24/1557246667dcf201758d54af542db429.jpg)(https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/UK/Centurion/photos/Cent_Mk2_rear.jpg)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 10 June 2021, 07:57:05 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/183450224_2967398533480144_7623412209343699379_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=1G9aSe3ckaYAX-pEIxg&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=a7f182cf4492a875840d597d96478990&oe=60E967B3)

When the aircraft you are supposed to be controlling sneaks up on you from behind.....
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Steve J on 10 June 2021, 09:58:48 PM
It rather reminds of the low flying Spitfire in the following clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iOoiEbtf2w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iOoiEbtf2w)

However I dread to think what the noise was like (we used to have them fly over our house everyday as a kid and you couldn't hear a thing!) and of course the backdraft (?) from the engine.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Raider4 on 10 June 2021, 10:16:42 PM
Reminds me of 'tourist guy' for some reason:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/05/Tourist_guy.jpg)

Quote from: Steve J on 10 June 2021, 09:58:48 PM
we used to have them fly over our house everyday as a kid and you couldn't hear a thing!

I used to live in Filton in the seventies, so regularly had things like Concorde and F-111s taking off & landing at the nearby BAE/Rolls-Royce facility.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 17 June 2021, 09:36:41 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-0/p180x540/183833473_2967394683480529_395641649844469277_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=skepHn15RIoAX_spnf3&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&tp=6&oh=23a90cafe69686babb37ff11da193620&oe=60CFD968)

When you want a self-propelled gun, but don't have the budget or know-how...
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Techno II on 18 June 2021, 07:10:35 AM
That's a belter of a find, Nobby.

Love it !

Cheers - Phil. :)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 18 June 2021, 03:07:52 PM
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZntkk-XgAAFVbo.jpg)

Right. That's next year's painting competition idea sorted. 
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 18 June 2021, 03:43:46 PM
That one would get wedged in a wood  ;) ;)
Quote from: fsn on 18 June 2021, 03:07:52 PM
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZntkk-XgAAFVbo.jpg)

Right. That's next year's painting competition idea sorted. 
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 18 June 2021, 03:52:01 PM
 ;D ;D ;D

Oh, well played Sir, well played.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 18 June 2021, 06:03:18 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/183353891_2967484810138183_6540871955849832189_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=QtNRh6keExgAX-tz8iT&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=6c8e17d456103728d8fa96c79e193899&oe=60D10167)

Nothing to see here but us bushes, honest, guv....
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 19 June 2021, 06:37:36 AM
At a camp on Salisbury plain the local wood seemed to grow overnight, only realised why after breakfast, a cammo'd squadron of Cheiftains was around it, we saw a tankie jumping from one tank to another.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 19 June 2021, 08:38:01 AM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-0/p552x414/189365933_2977202429166421_8712699253446826199_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=MLUIn9hSWRoAX9FXw05&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&tp=6&oh=bbaa16a44cd63123e4da6db744143b90&oe=60D3302C)

The Russian Uran-9 unmanned ground combat vehicle is a 12-ton drone mounting a 30mm cannon, coaxial machine gun and up to 8 ATGMs.  Two can be carried to the combat zone on a truck, where it is controlled by an operator using video and thermal imaging from the drone. It is armoured against small arms fire and fragments.  More than 20 were built, and several were deployed during the fighting in Syria.  Combat reports suggest that performance was not ideal, with the control link operating at much less than its 1,500m specification in urban terrain and reliability problems.  However, it's worth considering that they are already at the point of field testing these, and the feedback should lead to improvements in future designs
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 19 June 2021, 10:51:07 AM
Quote from: fsn on 17 June 2021, 09:36:41 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-0/p180x540/183833473_2967394683480529_395641649844469277_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=skepHn15RIoAX_spnf3&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&tp=6&oh=23a90cafe69686babb37ff11da193620&oe=60CFD968)

When you want a self-propelled gun, but don't have the budget or know-how...

It's a new way to cheat on the Tour de France.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 19 June 2021, 09:17:11 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/187833297_2977209882499009_6230706073981421274_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=QduhW9iThosAX_D5lqL&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=ed89ef22a13b9fbf7999cae8c59a0f3b&oe=60D3CDCE)

The massive allied bombing campaigns of 1944/45 did enormous damage to German cities, often leaving streets blocked with rubble.  A number of tanks – mostly  damaged in combat – were converted to "Panzer-Strassenraeumgeraet" (tank street bulldozer equipment) to help clear the rubble. The majority were Panzer III / IV, but at least one Panther was also converted
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Speedy of Leighton on 20 June 2021, 10:20:32 AM
Whereas Berlin treets were cleared every day by Street Women.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 21 June 2021, 08:12:27 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/s720x720/203786333_4555036891194180_540268876333754298_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=T0SfbNYw_aMAX-M0H5f&tn=SLaIJaHbm88ytMih&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&tp=7&oh=a0d043ceaf6566b7155659b78a8ed92d&oe=60D4F674)

THE LIBYAN CAMPAIGN.
Original wartime caption: Crowds of Italian tanks which have been captured. Some of these are of the latest type.
Creator: Lieut. L.B. Davies, No. 1 Army Film and Photo Section, Army Film and Photographic Unit.
Source: © IWM E 2037
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 21 June 2021, 11:10:32 PM
Quote from: fsn on 21 June 2021, 08:12:27 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/s720x720/203786333_4555036891194180_540268876333754298_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=T0SfbNYw_aMAX-M0H5f&tn=SLaIJaHbm88ytMih&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&tp=7&oh=a0d043ceaf6566b7155659b78a8ed92d&oe=60D4F674)

THE LIBYAN CAMPAIGN.
Original wartime caption: Crowds of Italian tanks which have been captured. Some of these are of the latest type.
Creator: Lieut. L.B. Davies, No. 1 Army Film and Photo Section, Army Film and Photographic Unit.
Source: © IWM E 2037

Inhales sharply: Dunno who did the last service on this one, there's a lot to fix and it won't be cheap. It's getting the parts you see.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 01 July 2021, 07:52:51 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/205604039_3009168169303180_6192771455036735623_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_rgb565=1&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=S4KEK6bEIu0AX8kN_4P&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=71bcaed7ff1a31fafff3f0ce0161ec2e&oe=60E23D22)

When you really, really hope all the hatches are secured.....The vehicle is obviously a British FV510 Warrior IFV, and the Lions are obviously, um...Lions?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Orcs on 01 July 2021, 09:18:10 PM
Quote from: fsn on 01 July 2021, 07:52:51 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/205604039_3009168169303180_6192771455036735623_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_rgb565=1&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=S4KEK6bEIu0AX8kN_4P&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=71bcaed7ff1a31fafff3f0ce0161ec2e&oe=60E23D22)


The lions are saying to each other - "Don't you jut hate trying to open corned beef when that little key has fallen off"
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Steve J on 01 July 2021, 09:49:12 PM
Very good ;D
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Big Insect on 02 July 2021, 09:43:10 AM
It might just be the standard MoD Procurement Longleat test

1st - is it lion proof (pass)

2nd - is it baboon proof (fail) ... nothing is safe from a pack of baboons
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Orcs on 02 July 2021, 09:47:13 AM
Took my kids to Woburn Safari Park when they were quite young.  In those days we had a Scenic with Front and rear sunroofs. THe highl;ight of the day for my middle daughter who was about 5 at the time ,was seeing a monkey defecating on the glass. She went on about it all day.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 02 July 2021, 01:39:50 PM
Kids like strange things
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 02 July 2021, 07:57:15 PM
Years ago I took my grandmother to Chester zoo. She was unimpressed until we went into the monkey house. A  chimp threw their own stuff at the window then, when they had our attention, stood on two feet and displayed, in ever lengthening certainty that the chimp was male.

Granny's day was made.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Westmarcher on 02 July 2021, 09:01:59 PM
Quote from: fsn on 02 July 2021, 07:57:15 PM
Years ago I took my grandmother to Chester zoo. She was unimpressed until we went into the monkey house. A  chimp threw their own stuff at the window then, when they had our attention, stood on two feet and displayed, in ever lengthening certainty that the chimp was male.

Granny's day was made.

Chimps. They certainly know how to woo a woman.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 05 July 2021, 07:31:09 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-0/s640x640/191888403_4497129853651551_4853475197363059469_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=RIo4Hqxb3dIAX8BvakC&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&tp=7&oh=5d02cf61ff37577a8885e96aaf5eaa4b&oe=60E895F0)

THE ROYAL NAVY DURING THE SECOND WORLD WAR.
Vice-Admiral Whitworth, the Second Sea Lord, coming ashore after inspecting HMS VANESSA at the port of Liverpool.
A sentry is presenting arms with a fixed bayonet by the end of the gang plank.
Creator: Tomlin, H W (Lt), Royal Navy official photographer.
Source: © IWM A 10233


Is it just me, or does that sentry look to be about 12?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Techno II on 06 July 2021, 07:35:47 AM
He does look particularly young.

Cheers - Phil :)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: John Cook on 06 July 2021, 09:06:05 AM
Cabin boy? ;)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Raider4 on 06 July 2021, 10:26:26 AM
Quote from: John Cook on 06 July 2021, 09:06:05 AM
Cabin boy?

Named Roger?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Steve J on 06 July 2021, 11:15:31 AM
I imagined that the rifle would be pointing with the magazine to the front, as it looks strange to me with it pointing to the left. And yes he does look young, but maybe that's because I'm getting old!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 06 July 2021, 04:05:10 PM
Your right there Steve...
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: John Cook on 07 July 2021, 01:38:33 AM
No he isn't!  The photographer has taken the picture at the second position before the movement was completed. 
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Steve J on 07 July 2021, 06:53:21 AM
I stand corrected John!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Techno II on 07 July 2021, 07:02:59 AM
The other thing that 'looks odd' (to me).......I presume it's the rear sight, which gives the impression that he's got a tiny moustache.
But then, my eyes do seem to do strange things. X_X

Cheers - Phil. :)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 07 July 2021, 07:39:26 AM
Looks like a No 4 - in which case the rear site would be over rear of bolt, it's got me in my normal state - confused
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: John Cook on 07 July 2021, 11:34:58 AM
Quote from: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 07 July 2021, 07:39:26 AM
Looks like a No 4 - in which case the rear site would be over rear of bolt, it's got me in my normal state - confused

The sight on a No4 was indeed over the receiver as you say, but the rifle in the photo is a No1 MkIII on which the rear sight was over the barrel, forward of the breech.  If you are really interested in the Lee-Enfield rifle, and I concede most people are probably not, go here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee%E2%80%93Enfield
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: John Cook on 07 July 2021, 11:40:13 AM
Quote from: Steve J on 07 July 2021, 06:53:21 AM
I stand corrected John!

No problem, I knew my Drill and Duties Course, 1970-something-or-other, would come in useful one day.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 07 July 2021, 11:52:57 AM
Fired the No 4 a fair few times....and the SMLE rebarrled for .22
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Ben Waterhouse on 07 July 2021, 12:57:57 PM
Quote from: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 07 July 2021, 11:52:57 AM
Fired the No 4 a fair few times....and the SMLE rebarrled for .22

Me too; standard rifle in my DWR ACF platoon when I joined at 13 many, many years ago...
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 07 July 2021, 01:06:11 PM
How's the shoulder ?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Ben Waterhouse on 07 July 2021, 01:47:47 PM
Don't remind me, good practice for firing The Rifle (TM) in the Territorials...
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: T13A on 07 July 2021, 03:47:41 PM
And I thought I was old remembering being trained on the SLR and Stirling SMG!  ;)

Cheers Paul
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 07 July 2021, 03:55:33 PM
Used them and the L4 Bren as well. SLR on gas 0 was worse than the No 4. Those I fired at school, CCF.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 09 July 2021, 04:33:33 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/212292865_281361827116750_7429795679308103381_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=7uYboLZPEGAAX_R6gam&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=c9f57d08d708e3509d0f7c59c7be302a&oe=60ED11AB)
US Personnel board landing craft for the invasion of Italy in Termini Imerese Sicily - 1943

Some of the soldiers are with the 45th Infantry Division
Most of the LST's/Landing Craft appear to be Royal Navy

LIFE Magazine Archives - George Rodger Photographer
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 10 July 2021, 04:16:31 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-0/p180x540/214286814_4610010802363455_1089851614947783570_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_rgb565=1&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=QaK_dxGxlcgAX8z9Nn4&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&tp=6&oh=c7bc74ad9c8aec72aade13257e7e06a3&oe=60EE3E55)

THE BATTLE OF ANZIO, JANUARY-JUNE 1944.
A Sherman tank comes ashore from a landing craft at Anzio, 22 January 1944.
Creator: Dawson (Sgt) (Photographer), No. 2 Army Film & Photographic Unit.
Source: © IWM NA 11034
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 11 July 2021, 08:18:28 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-0/p526x296/215551134_3017083698511627_3635635672736607690_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=6tyRcCcS64kAX_gf-k2&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&tp=6&oh=ffaf9bcc42397b769902bc1800ef23c3&oe=60F074AE)

A US-built M3 Medium tank.  These were used both by both the US and Britain; but basically, we liked the photograph.  The Thompson submachinegun with drum magazine was standard stowed equipment on these vehicles

I also like the photo.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 12 July 2021, 06:28:28 AM
Also used by the Soviets..
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Techno II on 12 July 2021, 07:06:01 AM
Quote from: fsn on 11 July 2021, 08:18:28 PM
I also like the photo.

So do I !

Cheers - Phil. :)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Steve J on 12 July 2021, 07:35:56 AM
Yep, nice photo for sure. The Soviets used to call it 'the grave for seven brothers', or words to that effect, which can't have engendered confidence in the crew!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: sultanbev on 12 July 2021, 07:49:58 AM
There is an unsubstantiated story that the Soviets crammed 20 SMG armed infantry inside some Lee tanks instead of carrying them on the outside  :o
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Orcs on 12 July 2021, 09:41:15 AM
Spoke to a 14th Army veteran at Bovington many years ago, and he said that in the jungle it got so hot in the tank  they went into action with all the hatches open. He said some crews even removed the hatches completely
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 12 July 2021, 11:02:54 AM
Quote from: Orcs on 12 July 2021, 09:41:15 AM
Spoke to a 14th Army veteran at Bovington many years ago, and he said that in the jungle it got so hot in the tank  they went into action with all the hatches open. He said some crews even removed the hatches completely

Hints of that in Defeat into Victory and also James Holland's Burma '44.
The troops in Burma foudn teh 2 guns handy for suppressing Japanese jungle bunkers.
HE to about 100 yards, then close in with machineguns and the 37mm continuing the suppression.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 15 July 2021, 06:31:37 AM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/217757716_10159526406095842_8191401156965146295_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=LEZK9Gr2-yMAX9oWSMX&tn=SLaIJaHbm88ytMih&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=5606683e46c96ee02dadb58e84596227&oe=60F439B8)


Firing the Comet's 77mm gun at night. This photo gives us some idea of how the Sherman Firefly received its name. In the dark the 77mm muzzle flash we see here would be blinding, and this is a less powerful version of the Firefly's 17 pounder. The muzzle flash from that could dazzle crews even during the day, and gunners were trained to close their eyes as they fired.


That, I did not know. Another mystery solved.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 15 July 2021, 06:36:06 AM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/212204981_10159520311715842_1834126179306468943_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_rgb565=1&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=AIIymXv50NQAX_NW7wj&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=46863954c5d9bdfebe97e5b524d013ba&oe=60F3FF42)

Development of Matilda I began in 1935. Production began just before the outbreak of the Second World War in July 1939 and 139 vehicles were delivered in August 1940. 97 of these were lost after the evacuation of troops from Dunkirk, without having had much use. The rest were removed from British service in 1941, but captured vehicles stayed in German service in domestic security roles.

Just reflecting that about 8 years separated the design of the Matilda I and the Comet ... indeed the Centurion.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Heedless Horseman on 15 July 2021, 07:47:14 AM
fsn... yeah, just a quote... but thought that Matilda Mk1 were the main vehicles in the Arras Attack? Never been sure whether Matilda IIs and Is were 'integrated' within units in 1940?

'Muzzle Flash'.. wargames tend to forget that a 'Gun' has a 'Bl***y Biig Blast!' I can't see that 'supporting' inf would want to be anywhere near  a tank firing main gun! Or any arty in any period!

Matilda Mk1 to Centurion. Or Gloster Gladiator to Gloster Meteor ! Aren't We Amazing when 'Pushed'! Current issues included! Me... I just need more sleep! lol!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 15 July 2021, 08:10:42 AM
Quote from: Heedless Horseman on 15 July 2021, 07:47:14 AM
Me... I just need more sleep! lol!

Dont we all !!! As to integration - 2-4 troops of Matilda I - rest Matilda II - not certain wheter it was 4 or 5 troops in the Tank Rgts.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: sultanbev on 15 July 2021, 08:17:51 AM
MicroMark list B198  :D

The Matildas were treated differently in different units.
4th RTR was pure Matilda I but did have Vickers VIC in CHQs.
7th RTR has one company of 16x Matilda I, one company of 16x Matilda II, and one mixed company of 7x Matilda II and 9x Matilda I. Companies were 5 platoons each of 3 tanks, CHQs one tank and one Vickers VIB.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 15 July 2021, 05:39:05 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-0/p526x296/214319398_1785496441622688_2736226590856475723_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_rgb565=1&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=mUf5q0WrhC4AX8qfpNX&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=6e02fcc38a6797ee4840753eae0b0620&oe=60F45B6D)
Portrait of a family, Alaska, circa early 1900s.


OK, technically not a tank, but I have a serious question. What is he holding in his hand - the hoop and stick thing?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Steve J on 15 July 2021, 06:40:49 PM
It looks like a hand drum and drum stick to me.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Heedless Horseman on 15 July 2021, 06:42:58 PM
'Drum/ Tambour'? 'Plate'? Stick  for beating, thereof? Small boat suggests 'Ritual'... as they used to say on Time Team!

sultanbev: Thanks for that. A mixed company sounds interesting!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Raider4 on 15 July 2021, 08:20:15 PM
Quote from: sultanbev on 15 July 2021, 08:17:51 AM
. . . and one mixed company of 7x Matilda II and 9x Matilda I. Companies were 5 platoons each of 3 tanks, CHQs one tank and one Vickers VIB.

So, 3x troops/platoon of Matilda I, 2x troops/platoons of Matilda II, and the CHQ in a Matilda II?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 16 July 2021, 07:03:42 AM
FRom some accounts the CHQ was in Vickers Lights. Otherwise yes.....
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 16 July 2021, 08:56:55 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/208389885_3010816535805010_876778395896015665_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=bZuK0sagd4cAX8ufve6&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=a7dd7013d37571b1a5d20de1df3537cb&oe=60F61F21)

Tracked motorcycles are one of those ideas that keep cropping up, but are hard to make work in practice.  Most put track at the rear, but the 350cc French 1937 Mercier Moto Chenille opted to put the track in place of the front wheel.  Five prototypes were built, and one was tested by the French Army, but they decided not to take it forward – not unreasonably, as they had other priorities just then.



I want one!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: paulr on 16 July 2021, 09:01:43 PM
Steering must be a nightmare :o X_X
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 16 July 2021, 09:06:48 PM
You think there was steering?!   :o

Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 16 July 2021, 09:26:05 PM


Nope. No steering.  :(
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Steve J on 16 July 2021, 09:39:00 PM
That is insane!!!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: pierre the shy on 16 July 2021, 10:15:01 PM
Get off my lawn!!!! ;)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Speedy of Leighton on 16 July 2021, 11:42:29 PM
Needs a silencer!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 17 July 2021, 06:48:14 AM
No foot pegs - downright dangerous.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 18 July 2021, 08:23:54 AM
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The Universal Carrier (aka "Bren Carrier") had served the Commonwealth armies well through the Second World War, but it was ultimately a pre-war design and showing its age by 1945. The army was looking for a replacement capable of carrying more cargo and towing the heavy 17 pdr AT gun; the bren carrier had been limited to the 6 pdr. The result was the Oxford Carrier (formally the Carrier, Tracked CT20), which appeared in 1946. It weighed 6 tons, twice what the Bren carrier did, but was of similar overall design, with open top and centrally mounted engine dividing the cargo area. Early versions had a Cadillac engine, but this was quickly replaced by a Rolls-Royce engine due to supply issues. About 400 were built, and served in Korea and Suez as well as in the UK and BAOR.

Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 23 July 2021, 03:22:30 PM
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OK ... my horses tend to be ... brown.

I feel suitably chastened.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 23 July 2021, 03:27:35 PM
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During WW2, the Germans built fake wooden airfields with wooden aircraft and vehicles in order to trick the Allies, however, the RAF responded by waiting for them to finish and then dropped a single fake wooden bomb on it
Credit: Historic Photographs
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 23 July 2021, 03:29:45 PM
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Bren / Universal Carriers waiting to be scrapped
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 23 July 2021, 03:30:44 PM
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Auxiliary Territorial Service (ATS) women working on a Churchill tank at a Royal Army Ordnance Corps depot, 10 October 1942.


Bit obviously staged.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Steve J on 23 July 2021, 04:49:02 PM
I love the fake wooden bomb, but sad at the sight of all those Universal Carriers waiting to be scrapped.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Raider4 on 23 July 2021, 04:57:30 PM
Aye, very sad. And I've read stories of British carriers on their way home from the Pacific dumping all of their lend-lease US aircraft (e.g. Corsairs) over the side, because the Americans didn't want them back and we weren't allowed to do anything else with them (sell on or scrap).
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: howayman on 23 July 2021, 07:18:49 PM
Love the dummy bomb on the dummy airfield.
To think they risked their lives just for the joke brilliant.  :D
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 23 July 2021, 07:30:41 PM
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An Ottoman supply train still resting where it was ambushed by Lawrence of Arabia 104 years ago on the Hejaz railway

Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: paulr on 23 July 2021, 09:37:19 PM
Interesting they ambushed it so close to what I assume is a station :-\
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Orcs on 24 July 2021, 12:03:45 AM
Quote from: fsn on 23 July 2021, 03:29:45 PM
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Bren / Universal Carriers waiting to be scrapped

They would be worth a fortune if someone had kept a few back.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Westmarcher on 24 July 2021, 12:18:17 AM
Quote from: fsn on 23 July 2021, 03:29:45 PM
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Bren / Universal Carriers waiting to be scrapped

When I've played WW2 board games and you can stack various units on top of each other on the same hex, somehow, this is not what I had in mind.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: pierre the shy on 24 July 2021, 02:39:52 AM
Quote from: fsn on 23 July 2021, 03:29:45 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/p526x296/213710300_10214512856094707_3480734139928878992_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=JaoFNwWvZHAAX_p3pEI&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=ab6fa35eea153ebb98ff1b25e5737a16&oe=611F8057)

Bren / Universal Carriers waiting to be scrapped

A carrier "carpark"?  OK whose being playing Flames of War???  ;)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: paulr on 25 July 2021, 04:37:03 AM
Typical Germans, always overreacting :-<
No need for a sign saying
Caution !
Risk of death
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 25 July 2021, 07:19:24 AM
Almost as good as the Panther hit by several 60 lb rockets on it's back  sign says - "Remove engine before starting"
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Techno II on 25 July 2021, 07:27:18 AM
I like the 'Getty images' stenciled on the bottom one.....That's been done very neatly.  :D

Cheers - Phil. ;)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 25 July 2021, 08:30:45 AM
Oik!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 25 July 2021, 08:38:40 AM
Not talking to yourself Nobby !  ;)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Techno II on 25 July 2021, 11:36:01 AM
Quote from: fsn on 25 July 2021, 08:30:45 AM
Oik!

Well, really... :o....I think that this particular post should be drawn to the attention of the moderators.  :D

Cheers - Still....Too Bloomin' hot of Wales........(I thought 'they'd' said it was going to cool down......Lying ......'erm....OIKS. ;))



Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 25 July 2021, 11:50:34 AM
Ban him Phil  ;D
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Techno II on 25 July 2021, 12:54:15 PM
Nah  X_X.....It's too, too bloomin' hot to do anything, Ian.

(In a few days time, I'll be complaining I'm too cold.....)
If a true ectomorph, like yous truly, is struggling...how are people with a 'normal build' (and beyond, the other way) coping.

I have never been down to just a tee -shirt 'up top' for so many consecutive days.

Trying to sleep ?.......Forget it. :'(

Cheers - Phil. :)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 25 July 2021, 02:31:32 PM
Quote from: Techno II on 25 July 2021, 12:54:15 PM


(In a few days time, I'll be complaining I'm too cold.....)


Typical no weather is right ....
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Speedy of Leighton on 25 July 2021, 07:21:35 PM
Raining and murky here
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Orcs on 25 July 2021, 08:55:36 PM
Quote from: Techno II on 25 July 2021, 12:54:15 PM
Trying to sleep ?.......Forget it. :'(

Cheers - Phil. :)

Try sleeping during the day, I have been on nights this week.  Still its ben dull and rainy this weekend so a bit better.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 25 July 2021, 09:10:10 PM
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We generally think of the A7V as the first German tank, but that title probably goes to this vehicle, the "Marienwagen I mit Panzeraufbau".  The Marienwagen had been developed as an unarmoured cross country vehicle based on a Daimler 4-ton truck.  Only the rear tracks were driven, while the front ones were used for steering.  The German Army was originally interested in it as an artillery tractor or a carrier for anti-aircraft . Anti-balloon guns, but with the appearance of the first British tanks in 1916, they decided to create an armoured vehicle of their own by dropping an armoured body onto the Marienwagen chassis.  It was an APC rather than a tank, as it had no weapons of its own, relying on those carried by the infantry aboard.  It was also mechanically complex, had limited cross country and trench crossing potential compared to its British equivalent and its high centre of gravity made it prone to toppling.  10 conversions were ordered, but failed to impress.  Indeed, their poor performance is one of the reasons why the German command was resistant to putting resources into development of other tanks, leaving the field to the British and French

Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: DecemDave on 25 July 2021, 09:54:55 PM
Probably not worth asking Leon to put it on the wishlist.
Already available in 1:144 on shapeways so I assume it could be resized
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 26 July 2021, 03:27:08 PM
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Size of flag flown on a Spanish ship during the Battle of Trafalgar, 1805.
This flag was flown on the San Ildefonso.  The ship carried 80 cannons and howitzers. It was captured by the British Royal Navy during the battle.

:o Is that about 40' tall?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Steve J on 26 July 2021, 04:56:33 PM
Bloomin heck that's huge!!!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 27 July 2021, 06:01:15 AM
Sure it's an ensign and not a sail ?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Techno II on 27 July 2021, 07:30:37 AM
Well...I make it well over 50 feet wide, assuming all those bods at the top are no more than 5 feet tall...so 40 feet tall sounds about right !!

Cheers - Phil :o :o :o :o :o

Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Big Insect on 27 July 2021, 08:50:33 AM
I expect the Spaniards will now be wanting it back ... as is the modern way of things  ;)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 27 July 2021, 08:56:38 AM
Looks to fragile to travel
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Westmarcher on 27 July 2021, 10:21:25 AM
Quote from: Techno II on 27 July 2021, 07:30:37 AM
Well...I make it well over 50 feet wide, assuming all those bods at the top are no more than 5 feet tall...so 40 feet tall sounds about right !!

Cheers - Phil :o :o :o :o :o



They're probably taller than 5 feet, Phil. Nevertheless, it is huge and will take a long time to iron.  ;)

The Star Spangled Banner which flew over Fort McHenry in 1814 (in the so-called 'War of 1812') and now on display in the Smithsonian in Washington DC was originally 30 x 42* feet so can't be much more than that.

* apparently not much larger than modern U.S. garrison flags.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 27 July 2021, 06:31:01 PM
Wiki says the ensign is 1,560sq ft. Which puts it in the 40' mark!

https://www.napoleon.org/en/history-of-the-two-empires/articles/rare-view-of-massive-spanish-ships-flag-captured-at-the-battle-of-trafalgar (https://www.napoleon.org/en/history-of-the-two-empires/articles/rare-view-of-massive-spanish-ships-flag-captured-at-the-battle-of-trafalgar)
Says 10 x 14.5m (32' x 47') :o
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Steve J on 28 July 2021, 07:23:52 AM
That would pretty much cover our back garden!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 01 August 2021, 10:03:22 AM
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Both sides made extensive use of minefields during WW2, and the allies in particular experimented with multiple methods of clearing them rapidly. The Sherman T10 mine exploder was a remote controlled Sherman tank, fitted with thickened underbody armour and a tricycle set of heavy steel wheels – the idea was that they would detonate any mines, and be rugged enough to survive the resulting explosion so the vehicle could continue to clear the minefield. It had the advantage of being faster than the flail-based British systems, but its great weight meant it still only worked at about 3 mph cross country, and was difficult to deploy, so it never entered production.



Monster truck Sherman?

Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Westmarcher on 01 August 2021, 10:23:45 AM
... what happens when you cross an Airfix Sherman tank kit with a Tonka truck.  :D
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 14 August 2021, 02:04:30 PM
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Major Paul Triquet leaves Buckingham Palace after having received his Victoria Cross (VC) from His Majesty, King George VI.
His VC citation reads: "On 14 December 1943 during the attack on Casa Berardi, Italy, when all the other officers and half the men of his company had been killed or wounded, Captain Triquet dashed forward and, with the remaining men, broke through the enemy resistance. He then forced his way on with his small force – now reduced to two sergeants and 15 men – into a position on the outskirts of Casa Berardi. They held out against attacks from overwhelming numbers until the remainder of the battalion relieved them, the next day. Throughout the action Captain Triquet's utter disregard for danger and his cheerful encouragement were an inspiration to his men."


You wouldn't look at him in the street and think 'there's a VC winner'.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Speedy of Leighton on 14 August 2021, 03:22:32 PM
That's because VC winners never do.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 14 August 2021, 04:42:40 PM
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You see, I think this chap looks like a VC winner.

Even if he isn't.


Sardar Hardit Singh Malik was born in November 1894 in West Punjab. Sent to England aged 14, he attended Eastbourne College, before studying history at Oxford,

After WW1 broke out, Hardit applied to join the British Army as a commissioned officer, but attitudes of the time precluded black officers commanding white soldiers. Hardit successfully applied to join the French air force but his outraged Oxford tutor, wrote to the commander
of the Royal Flying Corps demanding he be allowed to join. Hardit was interviewed and given an "honorary" commission on April 5, 1917.

Hardit became the first Indian in any flying service, wearing a specially designed flying helmet over his turban, he earned the affectionate nickname 'Flying Hobgoblin'. In October 1917 Hardit and his comrades were surprised by German aircraft. Shot in the leg before shooting down his assailant, Hardit flew 40 miles to land, bleeding and exhausted. His plane had been hit by 450 bullets.

Post-war Hardit joined the Indian civil service, from 1938 was trade commissioner to Canada and the U.S., and in 1944 became Prime Minister of the city of Patiala. After Indian independence he became the first Indian High Commissioner to Canada, and later ambassador to France. He died aged 90 in 1985.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 14 August 2021, 04:43:46 PM
Quote from: fsn on 01 August 2021, 10:03:22 AM
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Both sides made extensive use of minefields during WW2, and the allies in particular experimented with multiple methods of clearing them rapidly. The Sherman T10 mine exploder was a remote controlled Sherman tank, fitted with thickened underbody armour and a tricycle set of heavy steel wheels – the idea was that they would detonate any mines, and be rugged enough to survive the resulting explosion so the vehicle could continue to clear the minefield. It had the advantage of being faster than the flail-based British systems, but its great weight meant it still only worked at about 3 mph cross country, and was difficult to deploy, so it never entered production.



Monster truck Sherman?



I say Aggers, Virat's called for the heavy roller.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Steve J on 14 August 2021, 09:31:32 PM
QuoteI say Aggers, Virat's called for the heavy roller.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Techno II on 15 August 2021, 07:24:23 AM
Stop it, Aggers !

Cheers - Johnners......(That still makes me cry with laughter, every time I hear it !!) ;D ;D
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Steve J on 15 August 2021, 08:47:06 AM
I'm with you on that one Phil!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 15 August 2021, 09:21:44 AM
It's the pause before they realise what has been said !
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Techno II on 15 August 2021, 11:05:58 AM
...and the way that the pair of them can't speak properly for laughing. =O =O =O......But Johnners still tries.... ;D ;D

I've got a best of Johnners, at the BBC CD, (somewhere).....I think I know where it is !!

I'll now have to find it and listen to that 'bit' again....Even tho' I know exactly what's coming, it still cracks me up !!

Cheers - Phil. :)

Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Steve J on 15 August 2021, 12:07:17 PM
After that they were banned from commentating together, which was a real shame as they were a brilliant pairing :(.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Techno II on 15 August 2021, 04:01:31 PM
Pants..... ;D I couldn't find the double CD in the big drawer, behind the dog beds, in the kitchen. :'(

That means it's in one of the attics.....along with even more stuff that I've forgotten about...Like (the now) 'official' ELP bootlegs.......Sound quality.....Awful... ;D

Cheers - Phil. :)



Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 16 August 2021, 06:28:40 AM
Thats just the dementia Phil
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 22 August 2021, 08:19:13 AM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/228264210_3033281773558486_3856748010185719467_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=kDWCWI3iBvoAX-L-Ewe&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=2d6673de2d16eb9834cba1bee1fa0e3f&oe=61459C88)

French Foreign Legionnaires working on US-supplied M24 Chaffee tanks at Dien Bien Phu in Indochina (Vietnam) in 1954. The French plan was to insert a base into territory dominated by the Vietminh guerillas by air, and choke off their supply lines. As part of the plan, a squadron of Chaffees was airlifted into the base to provide mobile fire support for the defence and to conduct offensive operations. However, the French lacked any aircraft capable of lifting a vehicle weighing as much as a Chaffee, and had to disassemble each one into 180 separate components, fly the part to the airstrip at new base at Dien Bien Phu with 8 separate flights per tank and reassemble them there. Unfortunately, the French had overreached themselves. Rather than their new base dominating its surroundings, the garrison found themselves besieged and reliant on an inadequate air resupply pipeline. The Chaffees did good work as a "fire brigade" reinforcing crisis points, but ultimately the base fell, with significant French losses; it was the beginning of the end for their campaign in Indochina.

Diorama anyone?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 22 August 2021, 08:20:49 AM
Known as Bisons, and have one of the most complex cammo schemes I have ever seen
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 22 August 2021, 08:23:47 AM
They're French.

(http://www.westfront-shop.ru/upload/iblock/81d/81d4d15e794a6bdffb847fc13a67a2b5.jpg)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: paulr on 22 August 2021, 09:47:00 AM
I'm a little surprised Nobby hasn't posted this yet

Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 22 August 2021, 10:32:12 AM
 :-bd

:x
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 22 August 2021, 10:35:11 AM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/p180x540/236337366_10159607990870842_5230735301608662290_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=ZY4kcHAxD2QAX9-uqP_&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=0004f9495c0136bdbf2960c9e8aac880&oe=6148ACE4)


The round hatch above this Centurion driver's head didn't last long. It was intended to allow the 17 pounder gun barrel to be changed. After removing the commander's cupola and the breech block, it would be pulled backwards out of this hatch. The replacement 20 pounder on the Mark 3 could be removed from the front though, so this hatch was no longer needed. It was welded shut on tanks that had it and soon removed from the design.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 28 August 2021, 10:46:26 AM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/240795127_10159618964540842_4734270306987064294_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=FCR8w--VhmcAX_Opqo5&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=c5c13bc7482065673f13cc5f671d26e0&oe=61505F5B)

A British Centurion tank of the 1st Commonwealth Division fires upon enemy positions in Korea. The Korean War (1950-1953), often referred to as Britain's 'forgotten war' saw around 90,000 British troops take part, with over 1000 losing their lives. One action of note was the Battle of Imjin River, where 600 British troops, supported by tanks of C Squadron, 8th King's Royal Hussars, held off 30,000 Chinese troops, delaying their advance significantly and allowing preparations to take place in Seoul for the Chinese attack.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 29 August 2021, 06:47:15 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/240787498_4762625463768654_4497382759452673324_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=bcs2uVczCx0AX-N40kV&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=522afd8a91761faa115cda44b0402b66&oe=61514D4C)

German gunners in a tractor, created on the basis of the captured Soviet tank BT-7.
The tractor is towing a light Soviet 45-mm anti-tank gun 53-K of the 1937 model.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Steve J on 29 August 2021, 09:38:55 PM
That's brilliant 8).
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: howayman on 29 August 2021, 09:51:56 PM
You think it would be easier to leave the turret on and use it as a tank.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fred. on 29 August 2021, 09:59:54 PM
It does seem a bit excessive for such a small AT gun

It looks fairly early war, so perhaps they were confident they didn't near more captured light tanks?

The British made good use of old Crusader tank chassis as tows for 17pdr AT guns, but the 17pdr was a huge gun so the power would have helped a lot in moving the gun cross country.

The Americans had a fully tracked artillery tractor, but I don't think it was based on a tank hull?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: sultanbev on 29 August 2021, 10:03:52 PM
Quote from: fred. on 29 August 2021, 09:59:54 PM

The Americans had a fully tracked artillery tractor, but I don't think it was based on a tank hull?
There were a few:
The M35 was on an M10 tank destroyer hull, used to tow really heavy artillery.
More common were the M4 High Speed Tractor and M5 High Speed Tractor, used to tow divisional and corps level 155mm, 90mm AA, 8" howitzers.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 30 August 2021, 06:30:53 AM
The US also used de-fanged lee's although most of those were converted to recovery vechiles.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 04 September 2021, 11:20:24 AM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/239205469_1906704712836603_8880843419586817230_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=Kb03RHlr4PMAX-GXgf_&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=5e4bf5871ba92829e90273b43f96c3cf&oe=6156E328)

This is how Jeeps were shipped out during World War Two.


Some assembly required.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 04 September 2021, 12:10:43 PM
Quote from: fred. on 29 August 2021, 09:59:54 PM
It does seem a bit excessive for such a small AT gun

It looks fairly early war, so perhaps they were confident they didn't near more captured light tanks?

The British made good use of old Crusader tank chassis as tows for 17pdr AT guns, but the 17pdr was a huge gun so the power would have helped a lot in moving the gun cross country.

The Americans had a fully tracked artillery tractor, but I don't think it was based on a tank hull?

I recall the Germans capturing massive numbers of light soviet tanks in the first months of Barbarossa.
I'll speculate they (like later Soviet designs) were an internal ergonomic nightmare that no self respecting panzertruppe would contemplate taking into battle.

But take the lid off and you've a fast and terrain friendly tractor with capacity for your gun crew and ammo.
It's probably useful having 3 or 4 of them about when the Captain's Pz IV bogs down.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Westmarcher on 04 September 2021, 12:53:42 PM
Quote from: fsn on 04 September 2021, 11:20:24 AM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/239205469_1906704712836603_8880843419586817230_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=Kb03RHlr4PMAX-GXgf_&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=5e4bf5871ba92829e90273b43f96c3cf&oe=6156E328)

This is how Jeeps were shipped out during World War Two.


Some assembly required.

An early container system (presumably this enabled numerous jeeps to be stacked on top of each other in a ship's hold).

Battery not included?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Speedy of Leighton on 04 September 2021, 01:37:14 PM
Battery included, but in a different box to prevent shorts!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Raider4 on 04 September 2021, 04:46:24 PM
Quote from: Lord Speedy of Leighton on 04 September 2021, 01:37:14 PM
Battery included, but in a different box to prevent shorts!

Should have given it to these chaps then . . .
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/Surrender_Singapore.jpg)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Speedy of Leighton on 04 September 2021, 08:38:41 PM
Coat!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 05 September 2021, 11:55:59 AM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/240782280_3055937867959543_2221594162116172052_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=e8rh7iowtsIAX-gEWPj&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=83637a6783330f093ccfbdb047f11c27&oe=61596B27)

The AAC-1937 (Autoametralladora-cañón Chevrolet modelo 1937) was an armored car developed by the Republican government during the Spanish Civil War.  It was based on the Chevrolet SD 1937 truck, which was being produced under licence in Barcelona, with a third axle added to take the extra weight.  Between 60 and 90 were produced, with a variety of turrets including examples for machine guns or Puteaux 37mm guns and  even turrets from wrecked T-26, BT-5 or BA-6 tanks. At least 30 were captured by the Nationalists and used after the war, while 20 were handed over to the French by the defeated Republicans.  These saw some service in France, before being taken into German service as Beutepanzer, re-armed with twin MG-34 as seen here and used in the East.


So, a French truck, turned into a Spanish armoured car, handed to the French, captured by the Germans and fighting in Russia?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 09 September 2021, 07:41:48 AM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/s600x600/239942145_10166478982105377_3184677411677429391_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=0debeb&_nc_ohc=QcA2SeN6diYAX_GNjqk&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=d56b21152d6abef29d415401f44a64b2&oe=61611F58)



I am now imagining a Victorian unit of female cyclists ... the Gillingham Women's Institue Cycle Squadron   
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Techno II on 09 September 2021, 10:08:08 AM
Good grief !  :o

No wonder women in the Victorian era had fainting 'fits' !!

She's pulled in her waist so far, it makes even me look overweight.

If they'd had (camera) motor drives in that era....I bet the next shots would have shown her dress getting caught in the spokes....and the poor lass falling to the floor.

Cheers - Phil. :)

Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: FierceKitty on 09 September 2021, 11:26:14 AM
Looks a bit like Miss Gulch (the Wicked Witch of the West).
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Techno II on 09 September 2021, 11:42:43 AM
True   ;D ;D....but the cheeks are way too fat.....and the waist, complared to to Nobby's post...

Cheers - Phil. :)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 09 September 2021, 12:22:15 PM
Quote from: Westmarcher on 04 September 2021, 12:53:42 PM
An early container system (presumably this enabled numerous jeeps to be stacked on top of each other in a ship's hold).

Battery not included?

Just missing the decal sheet and tube of polystyrene cement.
What scale is this kit?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 09 September 2021, 03:05:48 PM
Not a tank, and hardly my preffered scale, but a tip of the hat to this guy and his mates.

Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 09 September 2021, 03:07:03 PM
Quote from: fsn on 09 September 2021, 07:41:48 AM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/s600x600/239942145_10166478982105377_3184677411677429391_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=0debeb&_nc_ohc=QcA2SeN6diYAX_GNjqk&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=d56b21152d6abef29d415401f44a64b2&oe=61611F58)



I am now imagining a Victorian unit of female cyclists ... the Gillingham Women's Institue Cycle Squadron   

That would further complicate the madison race at the Olympics and similar track meets.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 09 September 2021, 03:10:25 PM
Quote from: Techno II on 09 September 2021, 10:08:08 AM
Good grief !  :o

No wonder women in the Victorian era had fainting 'fits' !!

She's pulled in her waist so far, it makes even me look overweight.

If they'd had (camera) motor drives in that era....I bet the next shots would have shown her dress getting caught in the spokes....and the poor lass falling to the floor.

Cheers - Phil. :)



I'm sure Leman would have posted this, if I hadn't.

https://www.dutchbikebits.com/coat-protectors-jas-beschermers (https://www.dutchbikebits.com/coat-protectors-jas-beschermers)

The Dutch "Coat protector" - these days more aimed at keeping small children's toes out of the rear wheel on the "school run" bike.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 09 September 2021, 05:01:44 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/241510094_4356309787767379_1746960064415198568_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=8CwqgJMOmzsAX8VFcBz&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=62940f3c3ddaa857c9b6e9622a566ea7&oe=615FFE84)

The legendary RAF fighter pilot Douglas Bader died 5th September 1982.
This anecdote is not true but it is funny.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Techno II on 09 September 2021, 05:12:06 PM
 :)

cheers - Phil. :)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Raider4 on 09 September 2021, 05:15:19 PM
Quote from: fsn on 09 September 2021, 05:01:44 PM
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The legendary RAF fighter pilot Douglas Bader died 5th September 1982.
This anecdote is not true but it is funny.

I saw a Liverpudlian comedian - Stan Boardman? - telling this story/joke on TV years ago. Think it basically killed his career.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 09 September 2021, 06:45:30 PM
Quote from: Raider4 on 09 September 2021, 05:15:19 PM
I saw a Liverpudlian comedian - Stan Boardman? - telling this story/joke on TV years ago. Think it basically killed his career.

Wouldn't let it lie till after the watershed.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 30 September 2021, 08:26:25 AM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/p180x540/243496446_10159673250030842_2524327046696075516_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=GJNXhEUPTIIAX8E-nOn&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=0b6849138ed24b26f32adb1a95a1b063&oe=617B1DAE)

'Dagger,' 'Dazzle', and 'Duchess' lead the way during British Army manoeuvres. The A11 Matilda was used between mid-1938 and 1941. The Vickers Medium had been retired by this point, but it was pressed back into service as an emergency measure during mid-1940 as a result of the loss of almost all the British Army's tank fleet after the fall of France. These losses included 97 of the 139 A11 Matildas.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Steve J on 30 September 2021, 10:22:15 AM
Excellent photo 8). Do you know by any chance when the photo was taken? I've used the Vickers Medium in my AVBCW games and Operation Sealion. Pretty useless to be honest but looks cool and needs must and all that.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Techno II on 30 September 2021, 10:29:31 AM
Sorry...I know you lot know I'm a complete 'historical' ignoramous, (Which I'm genuinely NOT proud of).....

But in that photo...The staff car ? (half way downish, on the left hand side of the pic) looks like it could hold a lot more men than some of those tanks/tankettes ?

Must have been horrendous to be in one of those 'wee tanks'.

Cheers - Astounded of Wales :o
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: toxicpixie on 30 September 2021, 11:07:33 AM
Yep, two men crammed into the Matilda I.

I did have a set of schematics somewhere that had the crew sketched in.

I am not a tall man, but I wouldn't want to drive one...



That's the Tilly II. The "big boys" version ;)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 30 September 2021, 12:13:54 PM
Quote from: Steve J on 30 September 2021, 10:22:15 AM
Excellent photo 8). Do you know by any chance when the photo was taken? I've used the Vickers Medium in my AVBCW games and Operation Sealion. Pretty useless to be honest but looks cool and needs must and all that.
I don't know ... I'd guess 1938 or 39? Certainly no later than 1940.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 30 September 2021, 12:16:29 PM
Quote from: Techno II on 30 September 2021, 10:29:31 AM
But in that photo...The staff car ? (half way downish, on the left hand side of the pic) looks like it could hold a lot more men than some of those tanks/tankettes ?

Two men only.  :)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/2601/3691169491_351719b148_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fred. on 30 September 2021, 12:29:56 PM
That is a small tank! The turret has to be rotated to allow the driver's hatch to open!

You do have to wonder about inter-war tank design...
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: toxicpixie on 30 September 2021, 01:52:42 PM
No one had a clue, requirements for actual war were rather hazy, funding was... limited, technology was basic and unrefined, what was needed for the rather euphemistic "colonial policing" or "security" differs from what was needed in a full on at tier equivilent war, etc etc.

All the bits were there but it took a rather hotter crucible to forge it together and produce Centurion.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 30 September 2021, 03:26:50 PM
Quote from: fred. on 30 September 2021, 12:29:56 PM
That is a small tank! The turret has to be rotated to allow the driver's hatch to open!

You do have to wonder about inter-war tank design...

With out hindsight, most look like Tracks and a machinegun fitted onto Noddy's car.

(https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/80/590x/noddy-408289.jpg)

Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 30 September 2021, 03:37:44 PM
Quote from: toxicpixie on 30 September 2021, 01:52:42 PM
No one had a clue, requirements for actual war were rather hazy, funding was... limited, technology was basic and unrefined, what was needed for the rather euphemistic "colonial policing" or "security" differs from what was needed in a full on at tier equivilent war, etc etc.

All the bits were there but it took a rather hotter crucible to forge it together and produce Centurion.

More hindsight.

It's all very well to sit here 80 years later and claim that the Somua, BT-5, Panzer II, Japanese Type 95 or L6/40 are complete pants.
But almost any tank's a good tank with a bit of elan, and when the enemy have only  a few big rifles to oppose you.

Witness Italy in Abysynnia, Japan in Malaya, Germany in Poland, France, Netherlands, Belgium.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: toxicpixie on 30 September 2021, 03:57:16 PM
Very true, and application of the correct soft factors goes a very long way.

Technically British and French tanks were much "better" than the opposition (guns, armour) but all the soft things were lacking. Reversed in the late war, although the quality of everything was far better.

And tanks are seldom built for the military needs alone, as much as they're political creatures and bought for politico-economic factors (witness the British Army & Abrams versus Chally I/Shir, or the Soviet T-64/72/80 "competing" design bureau politics).
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 30 September 2021, 04:11:41 PM
There were a lot of factors that went into tank design. The Italians were self-limited by their bridges, the British by their rail gauge. The Chieftain makes a point that the most important feature of the Sherman was the eyebolts that allowed the tanks to be lifted by cranes onto ships.

That plus the economic factors, the philosophy of armoured use and industrial capacity all affect tank design.   

The cute little Matilda I was there to provide the infantry tanks with an anti-machine gun capacity. In short, it is a mobile Vickers gun. So being slow and small didn't matter, but having thick armour was beneficial.

Similarly early Pz IV were just support tanks with a short barrelled howitzer, and the Pz III was meant to fight other tanks.

Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 30 September 2021, 04:42:50 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/p180x540/243376129_3057512007867047_7133724529732446823_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=WieSK2PLaCMAX9j5omA&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=f6f9fc3d3d5bbb309a60ae5090373119&oe=617AF7CB)

We managed to get the M3 Lee back into the museum yesterday and that's made room for us to start on the M3a1 Stuart in the workshops. Never a dull moment.
Www.armourgeddon.co.uk

Could someone explain the priapic M3?  :o That 75mm looks to be twice as long as it ought to be!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Techno II on 30 September 2021, 05:01:12 PM
I don't know what they should really look like......

But if those have been 'poshed up'........what a storming job !

Cheers - Phil. :)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Raider4 on 30 September 2021, 05:14:05 PM
Quote from: fsn on 30 September 2021, 04:42:50 PM
Could someone explain the priapic M3?  :o That 75mm looks to be twice as long as it ought to be!

Two versions of the US 75mm fitted to the M3 Medium tank - the M2 (31 calibers) and the longer M3 (40 calibers). The M3 was also used on the M4 Medium tank.

And . . .

The Americans don't make it easy, do they. There's at least an M3 Medium tank, an M3 gun, an M3 Light tank and an M3 Half-track that I can name right off the bat.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: toxicpixie on 30 September 2021, 05:42:41 PM
M3 White Scout Car also ;)

Did you mean the M3 submachine gun, the M3 37mm gun or the M3 75mm gun?

Happy to help :D
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: paulr on 30 September 2021, 07:32:20 PM
Quote from: fsn on 30 September 2021, 04:42:50 PM
...
Could someone explain the priapic M3?  :o That 75mm looks to be twice as long as it ought to be!

I suspect they used a wide angle lens that distorts most at the edges...

Perhaps they have elevated it to stop people walking into it
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 01 October 2021, 12:03:02 AM
Quote from: fsn on 30 September 2021, 04:42:50 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/p180x540/243376129_3057512007867047_7133724529732446823_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=WieSK2PLaCMAX9j5omA&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=f6f9fc3d3d5bbb309a60ae5090373119&oe=617AF7CB)

We managed to get the M3 Lee back into the museum yesterday and that's made room for us to start on the M3a1 Stuart in the workshops. Never a dull moment.
Www.armourgeddon.co.uk

Could someone explain the priapic M3?  :o That 75mm looks to be twice as long as it ought to be!

Is it  just "pleased to see you", or masquerading as a dalek.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: hammurabi70 on 01 October 2021, 01:00:34 AM
Is it a command tank dummy gun?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 01 October 2021, 07:58:24 AM
Does look rather too long though.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: toxicpixie on 01 October 2021, 08:09:56 AM
I think it's a panoramic lense - look at the back of the kubelwagon stretching...
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 01 October 2021, 09:29:48 AM
Quote from: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 01 October 2021, 07:58:24 AM
Does look rather too long though.

Maaaat-ron!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Raider4 on 01 October 2021, 10:51:18 AM
Quote from: toxicpixie on 30 September 2021, 05:42:41 PM
M3 White Scout Car also ;)

Did you mean the M3 submachine gun, the M3 37mm gun or the M3 75mm gun?

There's also an M3 90mm gun, and an M3 105mm howitzer.  :(
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: toxicpixie on 01 October 2021, 12:57:30 PM
Quote from: Raider4 on 01 October 2021, 10:51:18 AM
There's also an M3 90mm gun, and an M3 105mm howitzer.  :(

Any more lurking around there... paging all M3... things...
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Raider4 on 01 October 2021, 01:16:58 PM
Quote from: toxicpixie on 01 October 2021, 12:57:30 PM
Any more lurking around there... paging all M3... things...

The M3 machine gun, a variant of the M2 (aka Browning .50 cal). Both of which use the M2 tripod. Also the M3 submachine gun (aka "grease gun").
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 01 October 2021, 03:56:06 PM
Quote from: Raider4 on 30 September 2021, 05:14:05 PM
Two versions of the US 75mm fitted to the M3 Medium tank - the M2 (31 calibers) and the longer M3 (40 calibers). The M3 was also used on the M4 Medium tank.

And . . .

The Americans don't make it easy, do they. There's at least an M3 Medium tank, an M3 gun, an M3 Light tank and an M3 Half-track that I can name right off the bat.

It's how Bilko kept his job in logistics without ever delivering any vehicles to frontline units.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 01 October 2021, 03:58:31 PM
Quote from: toxicpixie on 01 October 2021, 12:57:30 PM
Any more lurking around there... paging all M3... things...

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2c/US_M3_Trench_Fighting_Knife.tif/lossy-page1-1200px-US_M3_Trench_Fighting_Knife.tif.jpg)

M3 fighting knife, the one you DO bring to a gunfight.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 01 October 2021, 04:02:51 PM
Just to confuse you further - they changed all the numbers in the late 40's or early 50's.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 01 October 2021, 06:21:30 PM
M3 37mm AT Gun
M3 Binoculars
M3 Diaphragm Gas Mask
M3 Shoulder holster
M3 Bombers Helmet
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: toxicpixie on 01 October 2021, 06:54:41 PM
Put your M3 on, grab your M3 and man the M3 on the M3, make sure you tighten your M3 and M3 and have the M3 sheathed, and don't hit the M3!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 02 October 2021, 05:37:16 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/s600x600/244243178_1218845865288070_6400856219870757233_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=rkRtqTBIbYAAX8QabhO&_nc_oc=AQn_aewun-q3RMO-hjbQwY8ARnJYNoPwts19PqEWL32tjuS28YUNgmW0x-jpNWowcL4&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=09be855c97dfc156632ca1db7a107d21&oe=617F9B40)

Did you know the Germans knocked the nose off of a captured Spitfire and welded on a more powerful Diamler-Benz nose? It was said to have been faster than a Spitfire and more maneuverable than a Bf-109 and could fly faster and climb higher than any German or British plane at the time. Only one was ever built as the Germans did not know how to build a Spitfire. The prototype was destroyed later in the war during an allied bombing.

Which is the opposite of the Ha112 which was a Spanish plane with the body of a Me109 and a Merlin engine ... as seen in the Battle of Britain (1969) and Dunkirk (2017)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/Hispano_HA.1112M1L_Buchon_%27-%2B10%27_%28G-BWUE%29_%2822723895345%29.jpg/1024px-Hispano_HA.1112M1L_Buchon_%27-%2B10%27_%28G-BWUE%29_%2822723895345%29.jpg)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 09 October 2021, 05:54:17 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/p180x540/245059973_10159692568275842_2757777625816594357_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=uDbZn4ddWwQAX9sr88N&tn=SLaIJaHbm88ytMih&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=a092c28645e279253039a9c547ffbe2c&oe=61888CC9)

A Centurion Armoured Vehicle Royal Engineers crosses a trench using a fascine it has just laid. This was carried on the cradle above the front wheel, which could also be used for a roll of trackway. The demolition gun is traversed to the rear, pointing at the stowage bin. Usually on the rear of the turret, this has been moved out of the way of the fascine. AVREs were hugely versatile vehicles, with the mobility and protection to operate alongside tanks in the front lines.

Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: paulr on 09 October 2021, 07:24:28 PM
Quote from: fsn on 09 October 2021, 05:54:17 PM
...using a fascine it has just laid. This was carried on the cradle above the front wheel, which could also be used for a roll of trackway.

You learn something every day :)

Thanks Nobby
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: toxicpixie on 09 October 2021, 10:31:52 PM
The AVRE is full of lovely words.

Petard.

Fascine.

Centurion.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Orcs on 10 October 2021, 09:53:16 AM
Quote from: toxicpixie on 09 October 2021, 10:31:52 PM
The AVRE is full of lovely words.

Petard.

Fascine.

Centurion.

Don't say things like that you will make Nobby have to have a cold showers  :)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: toxicpixie on 10 October 2021, 10:16:39 AM
I do my best to spread joy :)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: FierceKitty on 10 October 2021, 11:11:33 AM
Quote from: toxicpixie on 09 October 2021, 10:31:52 PM
The AVRE is full of lovely words.

Petard.

Fascine.

Centurion.

You know what the first of those means, n'est ce pas?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: toxicpixie on 10 October 2021, 11:13:01 AM
I've hoisted my flag, and will sit upon it.

Another good one -

Glacis.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: T13A on 10 October 2021, 04:20:16 PM
Hi

OK, I know it is not in the picture, but it was a Centurion ARV (out of picture to the right) pulling my Chieftain out of a sticky situation when my driver decided to go to near to the edge of an embankment during a squadron night move on excercise in Germany in 1976:

(https://i.imgur.com/c2ZkCes.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/JflYEk8.jpg)

Cheers Paul

Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Techno II on 10 October 2021, 04:49:39 PM
As I know 'bog all' about tanks.....and have never been in any sort of armoured vehicle.....I have difficulty in understanding how the tank (above) didn't flip over. :o

Hats off to those who have been in something like that.

Cheers - Astounded of Wales. :)










Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 10 October 2021, 05:01:56 PM
Very low centre of gravity.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: toxicpixie on 10 October 2021, 05:43:05 PM
Whoops :D
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 10 October 2021, 10:15:43 PM
Quote from: fsn on 10 October 2021, 05:01:56 PM
Very low centre of gravity.

True, there's a bit of an optical illusion going on with most tanks, because there's a lot more hull than turret.

Mind you, that photo could be captioned "Hull down, doing it wrong".
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: toxicpixie on 10 October 2021, 10:44:03 PM
It's still just as mobile as most Chieftains there though ;)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: pierre the shy on 11 October 2021, 12:29:27 AM
A good recovery exercise for the regimental EME LAD blokes?

They probably charged a few pints for that  ;)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 11 October 2021, 06:29:51 AM
You implying British Soldiers DRINK alcohol ????  :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: T13A on 11 October 2021, 12:42:12 PM
Hi

QuoteIt's still just as mobile as most Chieftains there though Wink
I think we were fully operational within about 10 minutes of the LAD (Light Aid Detachment) winching us out.

QuoteA good recovery exercise for the regimental EME LAD blokes?
The REME LAD were the hardest working squaddies I ever came across.

QuoteI have difficulty in understanding how the tank (above) didn't flip over.
I think another degree or two and we would have. I was half in, half out of the loaders hatch at the time it happened. I also spent 3 years on Fox armoured cars which really did have a bad reputation for flipping.

Cheers Paul
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: toxicpixie on 11 October 2021, 02:13:48 PM
I've two different mates who had very close calls flipping Fox's!

I gather they weren't at all hard to get a bit carried away in...
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 11 October 2021, 07:57:53 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/245203644_3088673938019269_3263557726290949155_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=1UhOniAWhpYAX8YHMsv&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=58bc2551cb7d5ced7f8b113315caddbb&oe=618A82BE)

Centurion tanks of the Royal Armoured Corps during a training exercise on Salisbury Plain shortly before being shipped out to Korea, c. 1949.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 21 October 2021, 06:08:41 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/p180x540/246826746_10159712030360842_7941095711654728608_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=UqSo4lLV9DEAX-oueSe&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=945308e54f0312161dd550c70c757e4c&oe=6195A701)

Did someone mention sledges?


A Stug III (Sturmgeschütz 40 Ausf. G.) tows a crew sledge at the Army Winter Training Establishment in Tirol, Austria. These sledges were tested by the Germans as a means of transporting infantry more easily in a winter environment, allowing them to dismount and support the armour towing them when needed. It is unlikely any ever saw combat.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 21 October 2021, 10:21:35 PM
One is reminded of Jack Jones' butcher's van.

"Bang! two three, Bang! two three, Bang!" ....
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 22 October 2021, 07:03:36 AM
Quote from: steve_holmes_11 on 21 October 2021, 10:21:35 PM
One is reminded of Jack Jones' butcher's van.

"Bang! two three, Bang! two three, Bang!" ....

You missed the hissing sound as they bayonet the gas bag.....
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 25 October 2021, 06:19:02 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/s720x720/248422074_10159718721690842_1477502010370606253_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=g4JQiBuKij0AX9ItCT2&tn=SLaIJaHbm88ytMih&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=5692eed8cd886de481e156352caf6f44&oe=619D9559)

The British Army that sailed to France when the Second World War broke out in September 1939 was fully mechanised. This was not true of either its French allies or German opponents. Just a few years earlier a gun like this 25 pounder Mark I and its ammunition limber would have required six horses to move it. Now, as it's driven into Belgium in response to the German invasion of May 1940, it needs just one Light Dragon tractor.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 26 October 2021, 08:34:36 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/p180x540/248933458_10159721224425842_1587148183963894869_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=ZiQyBIoDi-8AX8ymHs8&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=62972329a2cb63561ad0eabe780feefe&oe=619E3107)

A Centurion of 1st Royal Tank Regiment emplaced on Point 145 in Korea, May 1953.
Most of the later stages of the Korean War were characterised by largely static front lines protected by bunkers.  The sights and long range firepower of a Centurion on high ground like this meant a small number could support large areas of the front. In the foreground we can see a sandbagged bunker for the Centurion's 20 pounder ammunition.  It's on the reverse slope of the hill to protect it from enemy fire.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Techno II on 27 October 2021, 06:57:34 AM
Extraordinary colours in that piccy.

I suppose colour film in that era wasn't too true to life.

Cheers - Phil. :)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: FierceKitty on 27 October 2021, 07:27:00 AM
kimchi in the wild.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Big Insect on 27 October 2021, 09:14:00 AM
That ammo seems like a long way from the photo'd Centurion ... bit of a yomp if the fighting hots up or is it the ammo for the tank that is behind us, out of shot?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 27 October 2021, 09:17:15 AM
I had the same thought Mark
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Westmarcher on 27 October 2021, 10:02:28 AM
Perhaps (because tanks wouldn't usually be deployed singly?). But could it also be because the tank is likely to attract a fair amount of enemy fire?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 27 October 2021, 11:12:11 AM
They did, so were provided with "Elephant Hides" to protect them from it. Normally there would be a troop of 3 on a position.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 27 October 2021, 12:39:52 PM
Pathe, not the Tank Museum.

Churchill AVREs placing a fascine, and launching a "flying dustbin".
Gives a good impression of the velocity and trajectory for the 'bin.

Maybe second thoughts for those who use them as a potent anti-tank round.

Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: paulr on 27 October 2021, 07:19:20 PM
I wouldn't want to be near that when it went bang :o
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 27 October 2021, 07:21:53 PM
Love it.

Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: toxicpixie on 28 October 2021, 10:00:54 AM
Quote from: Big Insect on 27 October 2021, 09:14:00 AM
That ammo seems like a long way from the photo'd Centurion ... bit of a yomp if the fighting hots up or is it the ammo for the tank that is behind us, out of shot?

I'm guessing any closer and it's very much in likely area of any errant incoming mortar or artillery rounds... trade off of "safety" versus usability. Not to mention as others suggest it's probably covering multiple tanks and is about as close to all of them as possible...
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Westmarcher on 28 October 2021, 11:13:23 AM
.... and if you run out of ammo, wouldn't you just drive the tank back to the ammo dump?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 28 October 2021, 11:31:59 AM
Quote from: Westmarcher on 28 October 2021, 11:13:23 AM
.... and if you run out of ammo, wouldn't you just drive the tank back to the ammo dump?

Generally no, it's bought up to the tank in softskin vehicles.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Westmarcher on 28 October 2021, 11:55:56 AM
Quote from: Big Insect on 27 October 2021, 09:14:00 AM
That ammo seems like a long way from the photo'd Centurion ... bit of a yomp if the fighting hots up ....

Quote from: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 28 October 2021, 11:31:59 AM
Generally no, it's bought up to the tank in softskin vehicles.

Quite a short distance to make the effort to load the ammo on to the soft skinned vehicle, then drive it round the road and up to the tank so that the crew (and soft skinned vehicle crew?) can then unload the truck(?) and ("if the fighting hots up") replenish the tank under fire.  Also, if you decide to reverse the tank down the access road instead, considering the short distance, wouldn't it be better to simply continue the short distance to the dump and save loading time?  :-\

Signed - a civvy conscript.  :)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 10 November 2021, 07:55:12 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/252927684_4980294462001752_8932720297548685193_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=0XeW5DnV3j8AX9lLURO&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=268d6bfccb9f8581a71c13e3dd0b06cd&oe=619044BD)

THE CHURCHILL TANK (INFANTRY TANK Mk IV).
Heavily camouflaged Churchill tanks of 6th Guards Tank Brigade in a cornfield in Normandy, July/August 1944.
Note the censored brigade marking on the front of the nearest Churchill.
The turret of a M3 Stuart light tank can also be seen midway along the line of vehicles.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: toxicpixie on 11 November 2021, 12:16:38 PM
Are those guys on foot in US uniforms?
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 11 November 2021, 12:25:36 PM
Probably. The 6th Guards worked with US forces for a while.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 11 November 2021, 12:51:06 PM
https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/1060014989 (https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/1060014989)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: T13A on 11 November 2021, 05:16:40 PM
Hi

QuoteAre those guys on foot in US uniforms?

I don't think so, they seem to waring what we used to call 'denims' and the RAC WWII tank helmet:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAC_helmet

Cheers Paul
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 11 November 2021, 06:38:08 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/252927684_4980294462001752_8932720297548685193_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=0XeW5DnV3j8AX9lLURO&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=268d6bfccb9f8581a71c13e3dd0b06cd&oe=619044BD)

Yup. They look like tank crew.

(https://www.studio88.co.uk/acatalog/small_orig_tank_g.jpg)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 19 November 2021, 05:54:37 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/s960x960/248186492_3098842387002424_2028198765782087519_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=nYa1B5oBuV0AX9U9Cc2&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=2def185ae5fba86ac2a00119fc4e554b&oe=619CCD05)

When you don't have the budget for a proper technical...
Amusing though it might look, this vehicle seems to mount a Soviet SPG-9 rocket-gun, essentially the same 73mm weapon as the BMP-1 IFV.  A small initial charge launches the round about 20m downrange, at which point the rocket motor kicks in and carries it to the 800m effective range.  The warhead is effectively that of the RPG-7, though the range is much longer.  If the only car you've got is a Trabant, there are worse ways if moving a 60kg weapon
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 19 November 2021, 07:35:09 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/253761989_4980202298677635_3076178166888925192_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=6lOdHFm3pagAX9hY8yz&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=a56d19270070c781f30eb830c0284d66&oe=619D85D0)
THE CHURCHILL TANK (INFANTRY TANK Mk IV).
Heavily camouflaged Churchill tanks of 6th Guards Tank Brigade in a cornfield in Normandy, July/August 1944.


One forgets this sort of image when one is painting one's own models.
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: fsn on 09 December 2021, 08:47:42 PM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/251777642_3105485473004782_4129446298298625541_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=NAiJ5dEoWH8AX9aU7yW&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=430c30c273b7544c60d3cad2f4affdce&oe=61B8573C)

Well played!
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Techno II on 10 December 2021, 07:16:19 AM
 :)

Cheers - Phil. :)
Title: Re: Facebook: Friends of the Tank Museum
Post by: Steve J on 10 December 2021, 07:21:32 AM
Very good!
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Post by: paulr on 10 December 2021, 09:26:14 PM
 ;D  ;D  ;D

Shared with my son who is a Blues Brothers fan :)
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Post by: pierre the shy on 11 December 2021, 03:15:44 AM
And the Panzer IVD after arrival outside the Moscow Oblast tax assessor's office.... :)

https://www.worldwarphotos.info/wp-content/gallery/germany/tanks/panzer-iv/Panzer-IV_58.jpg (https://www.worldwarphotos.info/wp-content/gallery/germany/tanks/panzer-iv/Panzer-IV_58.jpg)
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Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 11 December 2021, 10:23:51 AM

QuoteAnd the Panzer IVD after arrival outside the Moscow Oblast tax assessor's office.... :)

https://www.worldwarphotos.info/wp-content/gallery/germany/tanks/panzer-iv/Panzer-IV_58.jpg (https://www.worldwarphotos.info/wp-content/gallery/germany/tanks/panzer-iv/Panzer-IV_58.jpg)

That deserves a like.
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Post by: Raider4 on 14 December 2021, 04:26:35 PM
Meet the Chieftain:



Chieftains for Germany:


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Post by: Raider4 on 14 December 2021, 04:47:06 PM
And (slightly) older vehicles (one of which may please at least one member of this forum):



Think that's a Charioteer, the first vehicle shown in the firing display?

And watching the Saladin shell all the way to target is pretty cool ;)
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Post by: fsn on 14 December 2021, 05:24:01 PM
Well that's made my evening!  :D

Thank you.
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Post by: T13A on 14 December 2021, 09:06:02 PM
Hi

Had a trip to Bovvy a couple of weeks ago so here is one especially for FSN:

(https://i.imgur.com/T8tvlPZ.jpg)

And one taken at BATUS by a friend back in 1976:

(https://i.imgur.com/h8yhD0T.jpg)

Cheers Paul
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Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 15 December 2021, 06:11:32 AM
Good stuff
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Post by: fsn on 15 December 2021, 06:16:43 AM
Quote from: T13A on 14 December 2021, 09:06:02 PMHi

Had a trip to Bovvy a couple of weeks ago so here is one especially for FSN:

(https://i.imgur.com/T8tvlPZ.jpg)

A thing of beauty!

Thank you.   :D
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Post by: fsn on 21 December 2021, 10:46:03 AM
(https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/269704599_3143327889220540_4930139736887102635_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=21J-G8CbhQcAX-egGmW&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AT9vlTUtyTH2LQ_aoSWn9omYe-cADgqWVlgT2Bx6bMbsiQ&oe=61C64C0F)

An Australian Centurion Mk V/1 tank of the 1st Armoured Regiment, Royal Australian Armoured Corps, guarding the approaches to the 1 Australian Task Force base located at Courtenay Hill. This particular vehicle has been named 'SLEEPER' and has been fitted with a dozer blade. The crew members' sleeping quarters is visible (left) and a hootchie has been set up as a sun screen over the turret. A bucket shower is also suspended from the barrel.

(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/269710636_3143328179220511_8853368182737044914_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=wSpu_y5t8EEAX-UhC9r&tn=SLaIJaHbm88ytMih&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AT_QNqFEjJ0gpylj2btVm1aksepCgWux6NoUpDSfiV260A&oe=61C70E14)
South Vietnam. June 1971. A Centurion tank of C Squadron, 1st Armoured Regiment, moving through the jungle. The Squadron supported soldiers of 3rd and 4th Battalions, The Royal Australian Regiment (3RAR and 4RAR), in Operation Overlord on the border of Phuoc Tuy and Long Khanh Provinces, to the north of the 1st Australian Task Force Base (1ATF) at Nui Dat.
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Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 21 December 2021, 10:53:29 AM
Nice find...
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Post by: paulr on 21 December 2021, 05:59:10 PM
That first one would make an interesting mini diorama, not that many people would believe it was 'historic' ;)
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Post by: fsn on 04 January 2022, 05:21:52 PM
From the Alresford Heritage site. It is a small market town in Hampshire and are marked as taken in 1925. Vickers Medium MkI`s and I believe Dragon artillery tractors in the 2nd photo.

https://www.alresfordheritage.co.uk/alresford-photo-collection/military-history/index.html (https://www.alresfordheritage.co.uk/alresford-photo-collection/military-history/index.html)

(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/269898778_10159770102109350_1958163642184110799_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=b9115d&_nc_ohc=t28gPRHYBAwAX9MD7wR&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AT9uLltAbfnt_BqKwafIM9OlVgLP__E4ptE4ci4XncegUw&oe=61D9A775)

(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/271211415_10159770102599350_8521036781238644256_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=b9115d&_nc_ohc=gUBgpFdOY7gAX-ONTfq&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AT-S-7jPKWUGnHd1-2i_-umFkWyQGFSybiKBfZLqA_nuSg&oe=61D9BFFC)

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Post by: fred. on 04 January 2022, 05:39:21 PM
Cool photos, those Dragons look huge compared to latter carriers.
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Post by: paulr on 04 January 2022, 05:49:31 PM
Very interesting, possibly part of British Army Manoeuvres. 50,000 troops take part in "Great War of 1925" between Mercia-Force - v. Wessex-Mobility. Somewhere in Hampshire.

Pre-dates the Experimental Mechanized Force by a couple of years :-\
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Post by: Steve J on 04 January 2022, 09:54:52 PM
Great photos!
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Post by: John Cook on 04 January 2022, 11:21:24 PM
Good find.  They are indeed Dragon Medium Artillery Tractors MkII, the second one seems to towing a gun.  Also interesting is the half track leading the column which, I think, is a Crossley-Kegresse 15cwt Artillery Battery Staff Car.