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Title: Ottomans by Daniel Hopfer after Jan Swart, 1526
Post by: Druzhina on 11 May 2014, 10:07:01 AM
There is a set of five prints by Daniel Hopfer of Ottoman Sultan Süleyman and his cortege (http://warfare2.likamva.in/Ottoman/byEuropeans/Ottoman_Sultan_Solimanvs.htm) after earlier prints by Jan Swart.
(http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=12881&d=1399800818)

The originals by Swart may not have had many captions. Hopfer has captions as Three Ottoman trumpeters (http://warfare2.likamva.in/Ottoman/byEuropeans/Hopfer-trumpeters.htm), Mamalucke (http://warfare2.likamva.in/Ottoman/byEuropeans/Hopfer-Mamalucke.htm), Haiden (Pagans) (http://warfare2.likamva.in/Ottoman/byEuropeans/Hopfer-Haiden.htm) & Arabische (Arabs) (http://warfare2.likamva.in/Ottoman/byEuropeans/Hopfer-Arabische.htm) but versions appear in the Códice De Trajes (http://warfare.likamva.in/Renaissance/Codice_De_Trajes.htm) with different captions: MOSQVWITER rather than Mamalucke, THIRCKEN rather than Haiden and TATERN rather than Arabische.
Does anyone have the originals by Jan Swart?

MIRROR SITE
Prints by Daniel Hopfer of Süleyman and his cortege (http://warfare.fik4.com/Ottoman/byEuropeans/Ottoman_Sultan_Solimanvs.htm)

Druzhina
Illustrations of Ottoman Costume & Soldiers (http://warfare2.likamva.in/Ottoman/Ottoman.htm)
Title: Re: Ottomans by Daniel Hopfer after Jan Swart, 1526
Post by: Techno on 11 May 2014, 10:19:37 AM
Those are rather splendid.
Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: Ottomans by Daniel Hopfer after Jan Swart, 1526
Post by: OldenBUA on 11 May 2014, 02:16:06 PM
Four prints by Jan Swart from this series can be found in the collection of the Rijksmuseum, here. (https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/search?v=list&f=1&p=1&ps=10&place=Nederlanden&maker=Jan%20Swart%20van%20Groningen&ii=0)
Title: Re: Ottomans by Daniel Hopfer after Jan Swart, 1526
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 12 May 2014, 09:20:31 AM
Very nice indeed gents!
Title: Re: Ottomans by Daniel Hopfer after Jan Swart, 1526
Post by: Druzhina on 13 May 2014, 10:04:56 AM
Quote from: OldenBUA on 11 May 2014, 02:16:06 PM
Four prints by Jan Swart from this series can be found in the collection of the Rijksmuseum, here. (https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/search?v=list&f=1&p=1&ps=10&place=Nederlanden&maker=Jan%20Swart%20van%20Groningen&ii=0)

Thanks, I've also found the 5th at the British Museum.

Druzhina
16th Century Illustrations of Costume & Soldiers (http://warfare2.netai.net/16C.htm)
Title: Re: Ottomans by Daniel Hopfer after Jan Swart, 1526
Post by: Druzhina on 14 May 2014, 12:24:30 PM
Here are large images from the Rijksmuseum, Netherlands:
Ottoman trumpeters by Jan Swart van Groningen (http://warfare2.likamva.in/Ottoman/byEuropeans/Swart-trumpeters-large.htm)
Mamalukes by Jan Swart (http://warfare2.likamva.in/Ottoman/byEuropeans/Swart-Mamalvcke-large.htm)
Suleiman the Great & his cortege by Jan Swart (http://warfare2.likamva.in/Ottoman/byEuropeans/Swart-Solimanvs-large.htm)
Ottoman Haiden by Jan Swart (http://warfare2.likamva.in/Ottoman/byEuropeans/Swart-Haiden-large.htm)
and from the British Museum:
Arabs by Jan Swart (http://warfare2.likamva.in/Ottoman/byEuropeans/Swart-Arabische.htm)

The Hopfer versions are close copies of these except for some details. For example the scabbard of the Mamalukes, whose hats are shaggier in the Swart prints

Only 1 of the Arab's feet is showing - this has no shoe or stirrup, just a spur. Is that normal?

Anax at Historum pointed out that the Mamalukes' coat of arms is like this one:
(http://www.hubert-herald.nl/ByzantiumArms_bestanden/image085.jpg)
Martin Schrot in his Wappenbuch, 16th century, attributes this coat of arms to the first bey of Bithynia, Osman I.
Hubert de Vries' National Arms and Emblems - Byzantium (http://www.hubert-herald.nl/ByzantiumArms.htm)

Druzhina
16th Century Illustrations of Costume & Soldiers (http://warfare2.netai.net/16C.htm)
Title: Re: Ottomans by Daniel Hopfer after Jan Swart, 1526
Post by: burnaby64 on 14 May 2014, 12:38:56 PM
Very helpful indeed!
Title: Re: Ottomans by Daniel Hopfer after Jan Swart, 1526
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 14 May 2014, 04:38:31 PM
Nice one D
Title: Re: Ottomans by Daniel Hopfer after Jan Swart, 1526
Post by: Techno on 14 May 2014, 07:09:01 PM
That chap could draw a bit, couldn't he ?
Very nice indeed.
Cheers - Phil