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Title: Spanish Heavy Infantry in Biblia Segunde de San Isidoro de Leon, 1162
Post by: Druzhina on 08 April 2014, 10:21:03 AM
Ian Heath's Spanish Heavy Infantryman (http://warfare.uphero.com/Ancient/Dark_Ages-137-Spanish_Heavy_Infantry.htm) in Armies of the Dark Ages 600-1066 is supposed to be based on an 11th century source, but it appears to be from Biblia Segunde de San Isidoro de Leon, of 1162AD (http://warfare.likamva.in/12/Biblia_Segunde_de_San_Isidoro_de_Leon-David_Goliath.htm). The shield matches one in King David sends his army to fight his son Absalom (http://warfare.likamva.in/12/Biblia_Segunde_de_San_Isidoro_de_Leon-Absalon.htm)
Is there an 11th century source that matches?
(http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=12760&d=1396947012)

MIRROR SITES
Spanish Heavy Infantryman by Ian Heath (http://warfare2.likamva.in/WRG/Dark_Ages-137-Spanish_Heavy_Infantry.htm)
David & Goliath in Biblia Segunde de San Isidoro de Leon, of 1162AD (http://warfare2.netai.net/12/Biblia_Segunde_de_San_Isidoro_de_Leon-David_Goliath.htm)
King David sends his army to fight his son Absalom (http://warfare.uphero.com/Medieval2/Biblia_Segunde_de_San_Isidoro_de_Leon-Absalon.htm)

Druzhina
Illustrations of Costume & Soldiers (http://warfare2.netai.net/index.htm)
Title: Re: Spanish Heavy Infantry in Biblia Segunde de San Isidoro de Leon, 1162
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 08 April 2014, 10:24:51 AM
Cool. No idea, do any Spanish members read these posts?
Title: Re: Spanish Heavy Infantry in Biblia Segunde de San Isidoro de Leon, 1162
Post by: Techno on 08 April 2014, 10:39:54 AM
Some of the colours are SO vibrant !! :)
Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: Spanish Heavy Infantry in Biblia Segunde de San Isidoro de Leon, 1162
Post by: Druzhina on 15 April 2014, 07:13:31 AM
To compare the 1162 bible with the 960 bible that it was copied from, compare these similar scenes:
a battle with cavalry in Biblia de San Isidoro de Leon, 960 (http://warfare2.netai.net/6C-11C/Biblia_de_San_Isidoro_de_Leon-cavalry.htm) with
the pursuit of the Philistines in Biblia Segunde de San Isidoro de Leon, 1162 (http://warfare2.netai.net/12/Biblia_Segunde_de_San_Isidoro_de_Leon-David_Goliath-pursuit-detail.htm);

An army in Biblia de San Isidoro de Leon, 960 (http://warfare2.netai.net/6C-11C/Biblia_de_San_Isidoro_de_Leon-army.htm) with
King David sends his army to fight his son Absalom in Biblia Segunde de San Isidoro de Leon, 1162 (http://warfare2.netai.net/12/Biblia_Segunde_de_San_Isidoro_de_Leon-Absalon.htm);

and these portraying the same scene:
Goliath in Biblia de San Isidoro de Leon, 960 (http://warfare2.netai.net/6C-11C/Biblia_de_San_Isidoro_de_Leon-Goliath.htm) with
Goliath in Biblia Segunde de San Isidoro de Leon, 1162. (http://warfare2.netai.net/12/Biblia_Segunde_de_San_Isidoro_de_Leon-Goliath.htm) These 2 have a similar compostion including terrain at bottom-left and bottom-right. The text has Goliath in armour so the pattern in the 960 bible would represent this armour.

Solomon with 2 knives in Biblia de San Isidoro de Leon, 960 (http://warfare2.netai.net/6C-11C/Biblia_de_San_Isidoro_de_Leon-Solomon.htm) with
Solomon with 2 swords in Biblia Segunde de San Isidoro de Leon, 1162 (http://warfare2.netai.net/12/Biblia_Segunde_de_San_Isidoro_de_Leon-Solomon.htm)

Druzhina
12th Century Illustrations of Costume & Soldiers (http://warfare2.netai.net/12C.htm)
Title: Re: Spanish Heavy Infantry in Biblia Segunde de San Isidoro de Leon, 1162
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 15 April 2014, 11:59:52 AM
Wow
Title: Re: Spanish Heavy Infantry in Biblia Segunde de San Isidoro de Leon, 1162
Post by: Sandinista on 15 April 2014, 04:12:11 PM
Cheers D, good stuff