Hi guys,
I'm a newcomer so I need your help for this fantastic hobby.
First of all sorry for my english, if you don't understand something feel free of asking me clarification.
I'm not new in the hobby of painting and wargaming with miniatures, in fact I started playing Warhammer since 2007. After 7 years I come to the conclusion that I'm not a really good painter, and I need a more balanced set of rules, so I decided to start with Hail Caesar and play with 10mm miniatures. I love the sight of a huge army on the tabletop!!! And I read on the internet that 10mm miniatures are simpler to paint than 28mm.
I think I will start with two army: one of Republican Roman and one of Carthaginian, but I need some advice from you.
First of all the tool of the hobby: treating with metal model I think I only need files and a hobby knife. Do I need also a cutter? What type of tools do you use??
Then I need paints. I hate GW paints because are really expensive and they dry really fast. I have some Vallejo paints, and I think they are great; but I have in my mind the idea of try the "The Army Painter" range. There are not too much colors, they are cheap and the review on the internet are positive. Have you got some experience with this paints? (I don't want to use the dipping method, only their range of colors). And again, what color do you use for primer? Do you prefer black, white, or maybe grey??
Last, but not the least, the basing materials. 10mm miniatures are smaller than 28mm so I suppose that flock, static grass and hobby sand are different. What type of material do you use? And where do you take it? Can Vallejo textures be useful?
:-\
At the moment is all, but I'm sure that I will have tons of question later.
Meanwhile thank you for all!!!! :)
Firstly welcome to the best forum on the internet
For cleaning models I just use files and a hobby knife for taking of some of the larger amounts of metal that you sometimes get on the base of the figure..Cleaning them is the same as cleaning up 28mm metal figures
Personally I use Vallejo paints as I like them , I have also used AP paints which I like except the yellow which is probably the worst yellow I have ever used but I might have just have got a bad one
The use of Primer is going to be trial and error to see what you like
Personally I use a grey with a thin black wash over the top to bring out the detail but I have used black in the past and that works just as well. One note I would make is that I wouldnt bother with hobby primers, car paint primers that you can buy work just as well
I also use the same flock and sand as I would on 28mm , I dont think you can notice the difference. People says the the Vallejo Pumice is good but I haven't used it myself so couldn't really comment
I am sure others on here will have other recommendations, but I am sure you will have more enjoyment painting these than you did 28mm
I agree with Fenton.
Welcome, I also agree with Fenton. I haven't used Army Painters dipping approach but use washes instead to get shadow effects
Feel free to ask for clarification on our answers :)
Agreed as well. I'd only add that, with smaller figures, I tend to go 'brighter' with colours to make them stand out a little more and especially as I use a wash method, which does take colours down a little. For the wash, I use Army Painter dips but the bottles not the tins, I dilute it with water and washing up liquid (to help the flow) and apply with a brush. I also don't tend to use a black undercoat as, again, it can take the colours down. I mainly use Vallejo and some Army Painter and am happy with both - I find all yellows a problem as they just don't cover, especially black undercoats. Any other questions or help needed, just shout out!
Good luck,
Richard
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Firstly, may I extend a warm welcome to the Forum, Cadet Hammer. You will find the we (the molars in the Pendraken skull) are on the whole a friendly bunch However, some of them may be a little less than totally acquainted with reality.
I am not a great painter. I use Revell and Tamiya acrylics because they are locally available to me. I don't use GW because I refuse to paint my British Paras in "Giant Bogey Green" or whatever.
Somewhere on this forum is a thread about "how I paint" which is very entertaining and useful. There are lots of other threads about basing and so on, from people who produce better results than I.
For ancients, I undercoat in grey or white, then apply a dark wash to highlight the detail. Being old and half blind, this is very useful. I use black or brown ink diluted with water as a wash. I use bog standard flock and sands for basing.
A very warm welcome to the forum hellhammer. :-h
I think Steve's (Fenton) comments just about say all that's necessary for the time being.
Definitely try 'experimenting' with the primers to see which one best suits your style of painting.
Your English is far more than understandable !! :-bd
Cheers - Phil
Welcome to the forum Hellhammer.
Your best bet would be trial and error I use a black undercoat . I paint using most paints G.W. Revell aquacolour and Vellejo as well it just depends on what colour I'm trying to acheive. I use a wash on my 10mm figures as well.
Regards
Sean
Welcome to the forum.
Tools - Very much depends on the quality of the figures you buy. I find with Pendraken a file and knife do the job, to smooth the bases and nip any casting sprue. I know of one 10mm manufacturer where you need pliers to make the figures stand upright on the base!
Primer - I always use white although in the past I have tried grey. Personally, I think you have to be a very good painter to use black primer, in particular using dry brush techniques (I have never mastered that technique). I agree that you should try all of them on sample figures and then stick with what you like best.
Paint - I use Vallejo in the main. They have a good range and some excellent washes.
Best
Chad
Welcome to the forum, HH. The blue pills are in the cabinet by the door. Don't take more than one a day or you'll wind up with fsn syndrome!
As far as painting goes there's not much to add to all the other guys. You might find this helpful.
http://www.pendraken.co.uk/FileBin/AndyMacPaintingGuide.pdf (http://www.pendraken.co.uk/FileBin/AndyMacPaintingGuide.pdf)
High HH
Welcome to the Forum
Primer the choice is yours, Grey, White, Black. they all have thier own advantages. The only GW paints I use are the ones I have been given or bought at boot fairs.
I find Vellejo paints are good for colour choice, but they appera to be a bit "soft" and easily rubbed off before they are varnished. I think that Coat D'arms are excellent for price and not drying up.
I also use artists acrylics in tubes - particuarly for bases or terrain. Buit They are fine for figures as well, just need thinning down quite a bit.
I base all my 10mm with pva and sand. I have bought short static grass 2mm from railway shops as this looks a bit better than the the normal length stuff, but I am probably a bit finicky.
Look at some of the many blogs of the forum members - ;lots of good techniques and advice.
Enjoy the forum, as FSN says - sanity is optional :)
Hi Hellhammer, welcome to the Forum!
8)
Welcome Hellhammer.
Choosing 10mm and Pendraken is a good start on your road away from GW mate. :D
OK...
QuoteAfter 7 years I come to the conclusion that I'm not a really good painter
So what? As long as they look ok on the tabletop, you're not going for a Golden Demon here. :D
Quoteand I need a more balanced set of rules
Indeed.
QuoteAnd I read on the internet that 10mm miniatures are simpler to paint than 28mm.
They are very forgiving, but you do need a different approach to painting than with 28mm. In general, paint the colours a shade brighter than you normally would. The little chaps need a bit of brightness, especially if you're planning to use colour washes.
QuoteWhat type of tools do you use??
Hobby knife, needle files, pin vice, and clippers. Its all you need.
Quote"The Army Painter" range.
Never tried them myself so can't comment. However, £20 for a pot of woodstain varnish seems a bit extreme to me.
Quotewhat color do you use for primer? Do you prefer black, white, or maybe grey??
Depends on the model to some extent but i use brown for almost everything (http://luddite1811.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/in-grim-darkness-of-far-future-there-is_6440.html (http://luddite1811.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/in-grim-darkness-of-far-future-there-is_6440.html)), and occasionally black (http://luddite1811.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/dystopian-wars-into-blazing-sun_05.html (http://luddite1811.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/dystopian-wars-into-blazing-sun_05.html)). NEVER grey or white.
QuoteLast, but not the least, the basing materials. 10mm miniatures are smaller than 28mm so I suppose that flock, static grass and hobby sand are different. What type of material do you use? And where do you take it?
I use builders sand mixed with dried sandy soil i picked up locally, together with a bit of static grass and flock. The basing for 10mm with that mix looks like this...
http://luddite1811.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/something-lot-more-orc.html (http://luddite1811.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/something-lot-more-orc.html)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-x76GUgQIGSA/UcC3q3MoobI/AAAAAAAABXA/PiJhx7JH-yU/s640/IMG_0222.JPG)
QuoteAt the moment is all, but I'm sure that I will have tons of question later.
Ask away! You'll get good advice here. ;)
Thank you all guys, I'm touched from your replies! :'( :)
First of all thank you for all your advices, blogs and photos!
So summing up I think I will use vallejo paints, I have just some of them and I will complete my palette with about 15 new pots. I don't know Coat D'arms color and unfortunately they are not available at my local store, but I promise I inform myself about them (they seem cheaper than Vallejo!!! Coming from GW world everything seem priceless :-X).
QuoteYour English is far more than understandable !!
@Techno: I think this is the first time I listen this sentence from anyone :) thank you!
@Hertsblue: very good tutorial, thank you very much!
QuoteNEVER grey or white.
@Luddite: You are the only one who don't recommend white or grey but brown and sometimes black. Can I ask you why?
[really good orcs army, congratulations!!!]
So one last answer. Seeing photos on your blogs I saw two "different schools" of basing: one putting miniatures on a certain number of base to form a unit (warmaster/hail caesar style), the other one instead is creating a sort of "mini diorama" on a unique base (see the Luddite's photo, or Heraitoi wargames roman army). I cannot decide which one is the best. I'm afraid that the second method doesn't seem "massive" and that it can cut down the reality of an hypothetical battle, not giving the opportunity of changing the formation of the unit.
So what do you think about this?
Meanwhile thanks again to you all!!
Coat D'Arms are the original GW paints that they got rid of when they found a different supplier
The numbers of figures on the base s going to depend on the rules your using.
I seem to be alone on this one, but I don't like flocked bases unless the playing surface is textured to match. It just looks silly to have troops standing on little grassy rectangles on a bare surface.
Not to deny that it looks super on a flocked-finish cloth, if you go to the trouble of getting one.
(Oh, and welcome aboard. Where are my manners? I think I put them down somewhere around here....)
Basing I use 40 x20 bases for warmaster
I vary the number of figures on a base to help tell the troops apart so:-
Roman legionaries - 2 ranks of 5
Roman Auxilaries - 2 ranks of 4
Light cavalry 2 figures
Cavalry 3 figures
Heavy cavalry 4 figures
Light infantry / skirmishers 3-5 randomly placed figures
Warband 7 randomly placed figures
Bowmen 4 in front rank 3 iin rear rank
As for the diarama type bases i am really impressed by some of the forium members, but I don't have time to do that so they just get some rocks, tuft of grass or a bush if they are lucky
I put whatever feels right on my bases, and with 10mm they all can make mini dioramas so easily. For instance my Later Romans get a solid rank, then a few extras doing stuff in front!
I think Mr Hammer, you're finding that within this Forum a number of different opinions, and everyone is right. Fierce Kitty doesn't like flocked bases - I hate diorama, cluttered bases - especially those with magic walls that move with the troops.
The lesson here is experiment and find your own style.
Quote from: fsn on 06 April 2014, 06:58:58 AM
I hate diorama, cluttered bases - especially those with magic walls that move with the troops.
A wall, sir! Here we go, sir. One Wall, portable, Mark III, infantry and observers for the use of, sir!! <sigh> Please try and bring it back in one piece this time, sir!
Does this one have a door in it? Or at least a window!
I was going for the "distressed" garden wall look with that one.
(http://www.kerynne.com/games/images/arnhem/2ndBttn.JPG)
You'd not be keen on these then?
Or these?
(http://www.kerynne.com/games/images/BritPara/2ndBttn%20HQ%20closeup.jpg)
They are meant for BUA fighting - so the rest got grass
(http://www.kerynne.com/games/images/BritPara/100_9855.jpg)
Sorry, not to my taste. They look good as vignettes, but I just imagine the poor sods having to lug Vickers gun, ammo, water and a wall around with them.
They'd look good with Pinkerton's agents behind them.
Quote from: fsn on 06 April 2014, 07:23:29 PM
Sorry, not to my taste. They look good as vignettes, but I just imagine the poor sods having to lug Vickers gun, ammo, water and a wall around with them.
Aren't all basings vignettes, to a greater or lesser extent? Even adding texturing could be construed as over-elaboration. I don't suppose anyone would want a return to the green-painted cardboard of the seventies.
Fair point, Ray.
Cheers - Phil
Quote from: Techno on 07 April 2014, 07:24:34 AM
Fair point, Ray.
Cheers - Phil
But I still have 40 gallons of Britains Green and a 1000 cornflake packets waiting to be cut up
Oooh! Could I swap you a CCOC for some Britain's Green?
Quote from: fsn on 07 April 2014, 09:34:29 AM
Oooh! Could I swap you a CCOC for some Britain's Green?
Don't you have any use for you COCC any more FSN
I Know you are divorced, but that should mean for getting more use out of your COCC, with different models if your lucky.
Hot Tip:- Get your daughter to bring lots of female freinds home from uni to visit this summer - one of them is bound to
take pity on be interested in a father figure. :d :d :d. If this happens you need the BLUE pills ;) ;)
At worst you get lets of part dressed totty walking round the house.
;D ;D
I wish.