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Non-Wargaming Discussion => Chat & News => Topic started by: WeeWars on 20 March 2014, 01:31:29 PM

Title: Culloden battlefield housing development
Post by: WeeWars on 20 March 2014, 01:31:29 PM
The historic Culloden battlefield where soldiers fought for their country and lost their lives is under threat with a proposed housing development within 400 metres of the historic location.

Sign the petition to stop the development:

http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/alex-salmond-stop-the-proposed-development-of-homes-to-be-built-within-400-metres-of-culloden-battlefield (http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/alex-salmond-stop-the-proposed-development-of-homes-to-be-built-within-400-metres-of-culloden-battlefield)
Title: Re: Culloden battlefield housing development
Post by: paulr on 20 March 2014, 05:36:18 PM
Signed
Title: Re: Culloden battlefield housing development
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 20 March 2014, 05:53:19 PM
Done
Title: Re: Culloden battlefield housing development
Post by: mollinary on 20 March 2014, 06:23:15 PM
I am a bit "conflicted" about this one.  Are we saying we need an exclusion zone around all battlefields? And if so, how big would be adequate?  Or are we objecting to building on grave pits?   If the former, I am not sure it is practical, or necessary. If the latter I could see the point of an objection, but would like to know more about developers' plans (if any!) as to how to deal with the pits. If they were to be investigated sensitively by archaeologists, and remains re-interred respectfully in a new marked site, then I think I would still not object.  After all, if we dig up Richard III!?!    :o  :-\

Mollinary
Title: Re: Culloden battlefield housing development
Post by: fsn on 20 March 2014, 10:01:12 PM
I think it's just Alex Salmond trying to wipe out an uncomfortable bit of Scottish history.  :P
Title: Re: Culloden battlefield housing development
Post by: Fenton on 20 March 2014, 10:08:48 PM
I was at Culloden many years ago, and I think I remember a road already  crossing through the miiddle of the battlefield...Not sure if a housing estate will make any difference.
Title: Re: Culloden battlefield housing development
Post by: fsn on 20 March 2014, 10:19:38 PM
Were you wearing a red coat?
Title: Re: Culloden battlefield housing development
Post by: Fenton on 20 March 2014, 10:31:12 PM
Yup, but also laughing at American tourists going on about how romantic it all was and how they were 1/16 Scottish and felt such an affinity to the place
Title: Re: Culloden battlefield housing development
Post by: Nosher on 21 March 2014, 07:59:04 AM
Quote from: Fenton on 20 March 2014, 10:31:12 PM
Yup, but also laughing at American tourists going on about how romantic it all was and how they were 1/16 Scottish and felt such an affinity to the place

I'm surprised that they've never made a Hollywood Blockbuster that rewrites the history....
Title: Re: Culloden battlefield housing development
Post by: fsn on 21 March 2014, 08:28:17 AM
Now, coming to a cinema near you: Braveheart 2 - Culloden.

He was torn from the country he loved, forced into exile, but Prince Stuart has returned. Now, in order to free the country he loves, he has to face the man who despoiled the land he loved and drowned it in the blood of innocents - the Butcher of Cumberland.  All he wants is freedom for the country he loves, freedom to be with the woman he loved, and lost, and freedom to listen to the bagpipe music he loves.

Starring Tom Cruise as Prince Stuart and Charles Dance as the Butcher of Cumberland, with Jennifer Aniston as Merida, and Samuel L Jackson as Piper Laurie the Piper.

Braveheart 2: Culloden. This time, the blue is on the other side of the face.
Title: Re: Culloden battlefield housing development
Post by: cameronian on 21 March 2014, 08:37:53 AM
There were more Scots in the Government army that day FSN than were standing with the Prince, it was the last gasp of a civil war that started in 1640. The road was pushed through in the 19th century, many remains were found and reinterred without fuss. To be honest the visitor centre (brilliant inside but an eyesore outside) and the sanitised battlefield, all gravel tracks and signs, has done more to deface the site than any nearby housing estate could ever do. I remember the battlefield from years ago (after the forest had been cleared). On a cold sleety day you could imagine yourself there, as my ancestors were, it had real atmosphere, now they've turned it into a quasi-Disneyland, its horrible. Sorry, your petition is well intentioned but I for one won't be signing it, the damage has been done already.
Title: Re: Culloden battlefield housing development
Post by: Hertsblue on 21 March 2014, 09:03:23 AM
None of which will bother Hollywood in the slightest.  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Culloden battlefield housing development
Post by: Fenton on 21 March 2014, 09:04:55 AM
I remember seeing one film cant remember the title but it had a dear or stage in it and Brian Blessed was in it

The one bit I remember was Prince Charlie going through the Scottish troops talking to the men and after he left him turning to his general and saying " I do not understand a word they are saying , why do we have to have such peasants in our army"..something like that anyway
Title: Re: Culloden battlefield housing development
Post by: FierceKitty on 21 March 2014, 10:25:09 AM
Have to agree with Mollinary. History's too dam' widespread to go preserving battlefields as museums.
Title: Re: Culloden battlefield housing development
Post by: Nosher on 21 March 2014, 11:06:33 AM
Quote from: fsn on 21 March 2014, 08:28:17 AM
Now, coming to a cinema near you: Braveheart 2 - Culloden.

He was torn from the country he loved, forced into exile, but Prince Stuart has returned. Now, in order to free the country he loves, he has to face the man who despoiled the land he loved and drowned it in the blood of innocents - the Butcher of Cumberland.  All he wants is freedom for the country he loves, freedom to be with the woman he loved, and lost, and freedom to listen to the bagpipe music he loves.

Starring Tom Cruise as Prince Stuart and Charles Dance as the Butcher of Cumberland, with Jennifer Aniston as Merida, and Samuel L Jackson as Piper Laurie the Piper.

Braveheart 2: Culloden. This time, the blue is on the other side of the face.

On second thoughts if Jennifer got her kit off  :x =P~ and Sam L J kicked some ass with a niblick :d I'd quite happily see history rewritten hollywood style. However I'd draw the line at Cruise being in it unless they could have his character lobotomised... :-bd however quite clearly he has already had that done! =O
Title: Re: Culloden battlefield housing development
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 21 March 2014, 12:45:58 PM
Signed - if only to annoy Samond.

IanS
Title: Re: Culloden battlefield housing development
Post by: Leman on 22 March 2014, 03:11:44 PM
I daresay Salmond is happy to build on a battlefield where British soldiers fought for their country.
Title: Re: Culloden battlefield housing development
Post by: Hertsblue on 22 March 2014, 06:03:52 PM
Quote from: Dour Puritan on 22 March 2014, 03:11:44 PM
I daresay Salmond is happy to build on a battlefield where British soldiers fought for their country.

"British" in this context is a very broad church.
Title: Re: Culloden battlefield housing development
Post by: FierceKitty on 23 March 2014, 12:27:41 AM
Quote from: Dour Puritan on 22 March 2014, 03:11:44 PM
I daresay Salmond is happy to build on a battlefield where British soldiers fought for their country.

Where are you, Dr Johnson and Professor Russell, now that we need you?
Title: Re: Culloden battlefield housing development
Post by: Leman on 23 March 2014, 03:07:27 PM
Certainly is, like all those red coated Scottish Lowland regiments in the British army at Culloden.
Title: Re: Culloden battlefield housing development
Post by: WeeWars on 23 March 2014, 05:57:45 PM
Quote from: Dour Puritan on 23 March 2014, 03:07:27 PM
Certainly is, like all those red coated Scottish Lowland regiments in the British army at Culloden.

...and Highlanders.

http://unknownscottishhistory.com/articlefourteen.php (http://unknownscottishhistory.com/articlefourteen.php)
Title: Re: Culloden battlefield housing development
Post by: Hertsblue on 24 March 2014, 10:03:42 AM
I see Morrison was there - flogging provisions, no doubt.  ;)