Those of you who use epoxy glue: quick- or slow-setting?
I stopped using expoxy glue a long time ago.
I use the PVA wood glue - the one thats stronger than the wood it bonds. It will stick 28mm figures to metal washers perfectly ok. I have several hundred figues stuck this way with texture over the pva and only a couple have come off over 10 or more years. I leave them overnight to dry
For 10mm I stick using cheap superglue texture the base using normal pva and sand. This again has few casualties.
You can get fast setting PVA - 5- 10 minutes over here. Its expensive, and I have used it for constructing card buildings. Never used it for basing.
Of you want the figures off you can use a strong craft knife - soaking in hot water helps this but ruins the base
Hi,
A bit like just a few Orcs, I don't use epoxy, I stick mini to base with a gel superglue and then use decent pva with sand and grit to texture. When dry I then flood the sand and grit with a 50/50 mix of water and pva with a few drops of brown wash. This holds the sand in place and adds some contrast between the elements of the base.
cheers,
Craig
Tiny Terrain Models
Pva
Water/pva sand and grit
Ink
Paint
Highlight
Pva/water mix
Varnish
Flock
Quote from: FierceKitty on 02 March 2014, 08:44:05 AM
Those of you who use epoxy glue: quick- or slow-setting?
Many interesting posts, none of them actually answering the question. roflmfao
Okay, could have just said NO! But that isn't very constructive. :P
I used to use two part, slow setting epoxy in the late 80s, but it took forever to dry and I'm not that willing to wait. As soon as was old enough to convince my mum I wasn't actually glue sniffing I was allowed superglue. I only found the joys of pva just before uni!
Quote from: FierceKitty on 02 March 2014, 12:43:33 PM
Many interesting posts, none of them actually answering the question. roflmfao
You have been on this forum before, FK? ;) ;D
Quote from: mad lemmey on 02 March 2014, 12:59:03 PM
Okay, could have just said NO! But that isn't very constructive. :P
I used to use two part, slow setting epoxy in the late 80s, but it took forever to dry and I'm not that willing to wait. As soon as was old enough to convince my mum I wasn't actually glue sniffing I was allowed superglue. I only found the joys of pva just before uni!
Just don't pick your nose after sniffing superglue!
I presume most people use Superglue because of ease..I can nip down the road and get 8 tubes of cheapo superglue for a pound...epoxy is just to much hassle
I usually use superglue, but with 10mm figs I use a paste called Vandal, used in fine arts to give relief and texture. Once dried it hardens enough so that it can be used to stuck the figs to the base.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-jUSM2zTQUDw/UX8AMn1TQLI/AAAAAAAAEQs/3sGteFx-OA4/s1600/DSC02718.JPG)
Edit: sorry, I have not answered the question neither... =)
What're it's good points, Hetairoi?
It gives you an already textured base (it is much like sand with PVA) and you only have to add some pebbles if you want. Once dried. obout an hour, it is hard as concrete... ok, almost.
I use it on all my bases, 10mm or 28mm.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WIb7dJncd4w/UX8ANWKLQRI/AAAAAAAAEQ0/DEmCmeDjRwk/s1600/Image0.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Ge0Ywswxxwg/UpPeg2OktfI/AAAAAAAAE5A/zXHC-xPvk5k/s1600/DSC03653.JPG)
Also, if you are a fan of rebasing like me, removing a figure it´s easier than using superglue.
Quote from: FierceKitty on 02 March 2014, 01:00:19 PM
Just don't pick your nose after sniffing superglue!
Or get fresh with your other half :d
Quote from: FierceKitty on 02 March 2014, 12:43:33 PM
Many interesting posts, none of them actually answering the question. roflmfao
Fair Point. I will answer the question.
When I used to use epoxy glue. Noah was a lad but:-
The slow setting one took forever to set. The fast setting one gave you about 10 mins to move your figures about. So i used to use the fast setting one with extra hardener as this set in about 5 mins.
I still use it very occasionally for large metal and/or resin fantasy figures
It also was fiddly to use and not very plesant when it inevitably got on your fingers
Problem here seems to be that the Thai quickset takes four minutes (too fast), and the slow three hours or more (far too slow).
Quote from: FierceKitty on 02 March 2014, 03:59:39 PM
Problem here seems to be that the Thai quickset takes four minutes (too fast), and the slow three hours or more (far too slow).
Is it a heat and humidity problem?
In theory extra heat should make two-part epoxy cure that much faster. I used to put mine on the radiator to harden.
Quote from: Hertsblue on 02 March 2014, 06:13:14 PM
I used to put mine on the radiator to harden.
Perhaps you had better ask the doctor for some little blue pills ;D
Wish you'd told me about that before.
I'll be walking funny for days.
5 minute epoxy for me. Sticks like sh*t to a blanket and allows time for a little tweak to the positioning on the base. For multi-basing I find superglue too quick.
Quote from: Fenton on 02 March 2014, 05:18:37 PM
Is it a heat and humidity problem?
I paint in an air-con room. Believe me, I couldn't survive the hot season without it.
me too kitty, the heat here, helps with the drying, but some times its just too fast so my office/ painting bench is always kept at 17 degrees...
makes the ice cream last longer too...
But my matt varnish (acrylic) suffers a little...
I have given up with any plaster based -basing and I am sticking literally with static grass, pva and local soil....
looks realistic enough....
I have never used two part epoxy to glue figures to bases although I have used it in the past to stick 28mm figures together when you get the ones split in the middle. In fact I've never even considered it and probably never will. I have always used contact adhesive and left if overnight to dry. Never had a problem. Which is lucky because it's a bitch to come off if you rebase. Fortunately I NEVER REBASE, EVER! Hates it! Hates it! Hates it!
New Ruleset checklist:
Point 1: Can I work them with 60x 40 bases in all the scales I need? Yes -read on; no -put back and look at another set.
Point 2: Can I write a better set? Probably, but it will take longer.
Oh, I forgot.
I use PVA and sand on the base then paint and drybrush as preferred. Bit of flock. Job done.