Hi
The best of luck to everyone, however yet again I am going to stick my head above the parapet.
With 1 exception I made a conscious decison not to enter the competition this year. Last year I was struck by the number of existing members entering who have very litle involvement with the forum for the rest of the year, and the number of new forum members who join purely to enter the competition (presumably with a view to winning).I noted the same again this year. For me entering like this is not in the spirit if the forum.
Please don't get me wrong, it great to see enteries from some of our quieter members, but some times it does feel a little like with some members the only time there is interest in the forum is when there is a freebie up for grabs.
I for one am really impressed with the painting skill on show this year, but if you enter and have any success please be good enough to share your knowledge with the forum members, and give a little back to the community. If your recognised as a great 10mm painter then perhaps aspire to also be a great 10mm forum member as well (even though theres no prizes). Theres regular requests from forum members for help with all sorts of info, and regularly its the same few members who take the time to help out.
I didnt want to pipe up whilst the competition was running, but now all enteries are in I had to say something as I know this has been discussed between forum members offline.
cheers,
Craig
Tiny Terrain Models
Hmmmm. Inference, a forum loudmouth like me is a crummy painter. Sigh....evidence on your side, I know....
FK,
I would rather an active forum member who contributes to the community like yourself, who chooses not to enter the comp, than someone who only posts to show us good they are with a brush.
I know I can be a grumpy whatsit, but seeing post after posts of entries from people who are good painters but have little to do with the forum, leaves me a bit cold.
Just my opinion, I could be out of step with the majority on this,
cheers,
Craig
Tiny Terrain Models
I know what your saying Craig
Last years people's winner has only made 4 posts on the forum and I dont think entered this year
Craig - I can see your point, but I'm not sure I fully agree. I think that it is great that Pendraken can attract a great level of painting to the competition - and if to a a degree that is driven by the prizes on offer, then so be it. The standard of entries has gone up loads - I was very pleased to win prizes in the first couple of years, but would be very surprised if my table top standard painting wins prizes this year.
Yes it would be fantastic if people who come for the painting comp stay around and chat, and share their knowledge and skills. But we also need to make sure that they feel welcome - and want to stay around. At times the forum can be quite a confusing place to keep up with - there is a high volume of nonsense and in jokes. Which takes some effort to sift through and I often find that with only catching up on the forum in the evenings, that stuff has moved on so far during a day, that I can barely do more that spectate.
Also different people have different interests - while many of us enjoy forums and the banter, there are many people who are much happy away from their computers.
My assumption is that the painting comp is to showcase the best of Pendraken painting and figures - and I think it is really succeeding in pushing up the level each year.
Well done to everyone who has entered - there are many fantastic entries. I think I am most impressed by the mini-dioramas that people are constructing, these are works of art, not gaming pieces.
I just haven't had much to say barring "when are the Gauls due" and "what are the flags in the Dutch or British WSS flag pack for?". Unusual, as intend to be an inveterate poster of rubbish!
I solemnly swear to talk more tripe on these here forums over the comin year ;)
Quote from: toxicpixie on 01 March 2014, 12:33:03 PM
I just haven't had much to say barring "when are the Gauls due" and "what are the flags in the Dutch or British WSS flag pack for?". Unusual, as intend to be an inveterate poster of rubbish!
I solemnly swear to talk more tripe on these here forums over the comin year ;)
;D ;D
Hi Fred, Fenton, Toxic,
Like I said it might just be me.
I too am very pleased to see the standard of painting rise year on year and like you Fred would think my chances of winning anything most unlikely, however this genuinely doesnt bother me, as I paint to play, not paint for plaudits (I should be a bloody speech writer with lines like that).
I dont think its necessarily the volume of posts made by some competitors that irks but what's said. If you've only posted a hand full of times and they have predominantly been to wave a flag to show how good you are with a brush, I just get a bit blazè about it and think "Great x has painted another miniature, yer there lovely, but......"
Theres a world between that and some forum members who are good forum contributors first and foremost, who enter in the interest of the forum and competition, knowing they dont stand a cat in hells chance, but see it as a worthwhile competition to support. Yes it is a painting competition and the best entries should always win, but I take my hat of to the guys who have entered in the spirit of the forum rather than as an opportunity to get ANOTHER medal.
and yes before any one says it we will all get our chance to vote for the peoples choice, ill have my say then :-\
cheers,
Craig
Craig, I understand what you're saying but for me the contribution these people make is to inspire me to do better in future.
Some of us have the time and inclination to post regularly and without us the forum would be a desert with tumbleweed rolling by.
But without the silent majority we would be shouting into the void ... or possibly a bunch of old codgers talking to themselves.
You mean we aren't?
Quote from: Matt of Munslow on 01 March 2014, 10:25:30 AM
Good luck everyone, glad I'm not a judge!
I've got a 'blanking' headache ! X_X X_X X_X
Cheers - Phil
QuoteI entered every thread this year master.
Cool! :-bd
For me, the best part of the competition is the push you get to advance in your 10mm projects.
QuoteOnly 13 entries in Twentieth Century foot, but some really good stuff in all threads!
20th C. Foot = WWII
Mayve we should expand the time range... (And thus, my dirty ancients would not have to compete against those brilliant napoleonics!) =) ;D
Quoteawesome work. I know we say it every year, but this one has turned out to be the best in my opinion, some superb work.
Indeed. It's awesome to see how some painters improve their technic year by year. And there is also the new "acquisitions", with are making a very impresive debut. We should not rest on our laurels... :D
Cheers!
Quote from: hetairoi on 01 March 2014, 03:53:30 PM
20th C. Foot = WWII
Mayve we should expand the time range... (And thus, my dirty ancients would not have to compete against those brilliant napoleonics!) =) ;D
We should not rest on our laurels... :D
I know the majority of entries are WWII, but they could and this year do include the end of the Boar War all the way to modern 'insurgency' conflicts. It could have included Spanish Civil War, Chaco War, Third and Fourth Afgan Wars, Israel fighting for her survival several times, The Football War, innumerable African conflicts, plus AVBCW and WWI.
I do agree about the split there, it makes sense with vehicles though.
I think it might be to do with sponsors and Dave's original interests! ;)
Don't rest on your laurels, the branches on the wreath won't hold our weight!
The Boar War's back! Forward, the Bacon Bombardiers! Salami snipers, give covering fire!
Oops! Lol! Blòóðý phøñě! =O =O
Don't forget the BOAR and their Centurions post-war Germany! ;)
My question chaps is about the judging of the competition. Are entries judged only on style and accuracy, or is some element historicity required?
For example, if one submitted a beautifully painted sky-blue-pink Pz II from Rommel's 7th Panzer in France, 1940, would the judges dock points? If so, can one really compare a T26 from the Spanish Civil War with a Vickers 6 tonner from AVBCW - which could legitimately painted sky-blue-pink as that was the shade favored by the Brighton Militia?
Also, won't certain British post war tanks automatically get extra points for being beautiful and powerful and all a man can want? B)
Quote from: fsn on 01 March 2014, 05:38:20 PM
My question chaps is about the judging of the competition. Are entries judged only on style and accuracy, or is some element historicity required?
For example, if one submitted a beautifully painted sky-blue-pink Pz II from Rommel's 7th Panzer in France, 1940, would the judges dock points? If so, can one really compare a T26 from the Spanish Civil War with a Vickers 6 tonner from AVBCW - which could legitimately painted sky-blue-pink as that was the shade favored by the Brighton Militia?
Also, won't certain British post war tanks automatically get extra points for being beautiful and powerful and all a man can want? B)
Pink would work - the Pink Panzer.
You would have to be feline related wouldn't you Fierce....
Weren't some British vehicles painted Desert Pink in '42-'43 during the campaign in the Western Desert?
QuoteAlso, won't certain British post war tanks automatically get extra points for being beautiful and powerful and all a man can want?
I think that's a good idea ;)
Crusader tanks are pretty, and also nomenclaturally remind one of battles that are fun to fight.
There was a purple and yellow paint scheme for the Sudan in 41 or so.
Not sure if this delightful scheme was ever used in action, but 3RTR did paint their tanks like these, before being redeployed to Greece.
Land Rover IIA (Pink Panther), as produced by Marshall's in 1968, apparently
(http://www.simoncars.co.uk/landrover/slides/Land-Rover%20Series%20IIa%20Pink%20Panther%20front.jpg)
All of which is nice, but my question remains. Would a historically inaccurate, but beautifully painted entry be docked points? If so, isn't it easier just to enter imaginary entries that can't be queried?
I don't know.
Why not give it a try - a rainbow range of Centurions for next year 8)
It was actually a serious question, aimed at the judges?
Quote from: fsn on 01 March 2014, 07:51:35 PM
It was actually a serious question, aimed at the judges?
I would imagine historical verisimilitude is irrelevant to a decent paint-job, if only because the judges will not necessarily be an expert or even be interested in a particular historical period.
The level of historical accuracy is surely down to the individual painter and what they are happy to field in their own army, both in terms of figure choice and paint scheme.
Cheers,
Meirion
Or is it aimed at Mat's amazing tank! Love that crazy camo. :D
QuoteLove that crazy camo.
Based upon the Berlin Brigade methinks :-\ ;). Scroll down to page two on the following pdf:
http://www.armouredacorn.com/Refs-%20Thumbprints%20&%20Images/NCVM%20Index/Britain/MBTs.pdf
Personally.... And I'm not speaking for anyone else here.
Have to admit, that's not something that I'd even imagine would ever happen.
My guess is that it would produce 'howls of protest' from the forum.....and we'd have to discuss it (in one of the secret rooms. ;))
Again, personally....I don't really think anyone would take hours and hours of time to produce something wonderfully painted... that they'd be worried about putting on the gaming table.....Unless it went in the Fantasy and Sci-Fi section, where as, as far as I'm concerned, that would be absolutely fine.
There, you have basically free rein.
I'm pretty sure I'd want to see something that's basically 'historically accurate' rather than 'pretty and outrageous'.....But that's just me......And when I say historically accurate....The folk that are painting these figures know thousands of times more than I do.....So I trust their accuracy.
Most put so much research into getting it right.
If something was painted just the wrong shade of heliotrope or taupe on a model......I'm sure I wouldn't be able to tell.
If we took it to the nth level.......We'd never finish the judging.
Cheers - Phil.
Quote from: Steve J on 01 March 2014, 08:19:43 PM
Based upon the Berlin Brigade methinks :-\ ;). Scroll down to page two on the following pdf:
http://www.armouredacorn.com/Refs-%20Thumbprints%20&%20Images/NCVM%20Index/Britain/MBTs.pdf
Ahhh, thanks sir.
Love the Berlin pattern, wish I had one iota of the skill to try it!
When I get back onto a main computer that pdf is getting saved! ;)
I can't see it as being of much relevance; its the execution of the paint job that's being judged, not the accuracy of the uniform. Perhaps it might be relevant if two entries were equally good with nothing else to choose between them, but I can't see that ever being the case as there'll always be something in the painting that can separate two entries. Plus as has been pointed out no judge will know everything about every period.
Having judged a couple of these now I don't recall accuracy being important to the decision making.
Good photography far is more relevant to an painter's chances of success; its harder to award points to something that looks like it might be well painted but is out of focus than it is to a unit with the wrong colour of plumes.
Thank you Clib for answering that one.
QuoteBased upon the Berlin Brigade methinks Undecided Wink
Yep, Steve is right it is based on the Berlin brigade camo, love it. I did a bit of research (though moderns isn't my sphere of interest - at the mo) and I know Centurions were part of the Berlin Brigade but probably not at the point the Berlin camo was introduced so without a chieftain available I've used a bit of artistic license. Its for my zombie wars stuff so the pedant in me was subdued somewhat.
QuoteLove the Berlin pattern, wish I had one iota of the skill to try it!
Glad you like it Will, it was fun to do, not something i'd try on smaller WW2 tanks.
Quote from: clibinarium on 01 March 2014, 08:39:36 PM
I can't see it as being of much relevance; its the execution of the paint job that's being judged, not the accuracy of the uniform. Perhaps it might be relevant if two entries were equally good with nothing else to choose between them, but I can't see that ever being the case as there'll always be something in the painting that can separate two entries. Plus as has been pointed out no judge will know everything about every period.
Having judged a couple of these now I don't recall accuracy being a important to the decision making.
Good photography far is more relevant to an painter's chances of success; its harder to award points to something that looks like it might be well painted but is out of focus than it is to a unit with the wrong colour of plumes.
Agreed - and, this being 10mm, there are times when the 'impressionistic' style can gain serious points.
Really, it's about skill, style, presentation and the 'wow' factor...
I do like the Berlin Brigade camo, it's cracking - and that Cent is a great example of it. Just one question - is *any* camo any good against the walking dead?!
Thanks for all the feedback, it's always appreciated. The standard of the entries this year was fantastically high, and thanks to everyone who has entered.
From our end, there are 3 things which drive the Competition:
1. A fun event to encourage everyone to chip away at their lead pile.
2. A great showcase for both Pendraken and 10mm in general, showing people what can be achieved in this scale.
3. A source of inspiration and ideas which we can take away for our own projects.
Over the past 4 competitions, we've seen outstanding pieces of work, many of which we didn't think were even possible! Every year I get Dave sat down to do his judging, and the phrase 'Wow' becomes quite the norm for an hour or so! As the competition grows and evolves, it will always attract higher and higher levels of painting, and more people from outside the usual spectrum. Those factors all contribute to points 2 and 3 above, and are a positive thing. When that starts to impact on point 1, then we have to look at it and make changes where necessary.
Quote from: TinyTerrain on 01 March 2014, 10:54:49 AM
With 1 exception I made a conscious decison not to enter the competition this year. Last year I was struck by the number of existing members entering who have very litle involvement with the forum for the rest of the year, and the number of new forum members who join purely to enter the competition (presumably with a view to winning).I noted the same again this year. For me entering like this is not in the spirit if the forum.
I completely understand the point, and it's something we've discussed briefly behind the scenes. There's a lot of other factors to consider though, so it's a tricky one to discuss. The main one being that a lot of the folk who've entered who might be less active on the Forum are still very active customers, many of them on a weekly/monthly basis. Is the Painting Comp a Forum thing, or a broader Pendraken one? If we call it a forum event, then the point becomes much more important, however as a wider Pendraken competition, then anyone who has contributed by buying figures is eligible to enter.
Just for interest, of the previous years winners, only 6 out of the 28 winners/runner-up prizes awarded over the 2012/2013 competitions were to folk who we don't hear from much, whether on here or by emails/orders.
There's always the option of adding a 'minimum number of posts' requirement to the rules, much like we did for the 100k post competition? It would limit the newer members maybe, but on the whole could work?
Quote from: Fenton on 01 March 2014, 12:22:18 PM
Last years people's winner has only made 4 posts on the forum and I dont think entered this year
True, but the people voted for that one!
:D
Quote from: hetairoi on 01 March 2014, 03:53:30 PM
20th C. Foot = WWII
Maybe we should expand the time range... (And thus, my dirty ancients would not have to compete against those brilliant napoleonics!) =) ;D
Quote from: mad lemmey on 01 March 2014, 04:26:50 PM
I do agree about the split there, it makes sense with vehicles though.
I think it might be to do with sponsors and Dave's original interests! ;)
The split was suggested after the very first competition, as the WWI/WWII browns and greens were struggling to grab the attention next to all the colours of the earlier periods. I don't know if it's worth another split though, as the Ancient period can still look very eye-catching, as evidenced by there being a few prize winning Ancient entries in previous years.
Quote from: fsn on 01 March 2014, 05:38:20 PM
My question chaps is about the judging of the competition. Are entries judged only on style and accuracy, or is some element historicity required?
The style and accuracy would take priority, as the other chaps have said. Personally, I'm not that bothered if the collar matches the cuffs, as long as the whole thing looks good! ;)
If there's any more feedback, please post it up. As I mentioned at the start of this rather long post, it's all about making a fun event for everyone, so we want to keep it that way.
8)
Quote from: Leon on 02 March 2014, 01:28:04 AM
Thanks for all the feedback, it's always appreciated. The standard of the entries this year was fantastically high, and thanks to everyone who has entered.
From our end, there are 3 things which drive the Competition:
1. A fun event to encourage everyone to chip away at their lead pile.
2. A great showcase for both Pendraken and 10mm in general, showing people what can be achieved in this scale.
3. A source of inspiration and ideas which we can take away for our own projects.
<snip for sake of brevity>
If there's any more feedback, please post it up. As I mentioned at the start of this rather long post, it's all about making a fun event for everyone, so we want to keep it that way.
Very well said that clone =D> =D> =D>
Perhaps, with the dedication of the People's choice award this year,
'Aart Brouwer People's Choice Award', we should consider Forum involvement when casting our votes. :-\
Those who knew Aart better than I may be able to offer some guidance
On a personal note the competition has achieved all three of the above drivers and most importantly has been
fun. :)
Many many
thanks to Pendraken for organising it, the other sponsors for their generosity, and the esteemed judges for their efforts.
If it encourages new people to post good and if at the same time the figures are brilliant then the competition is doing its job in promoting the Pendraken product
QuoteI completely understand the point, and it's something we've discussed briefly behind the scenes. There's a lot of other factors to consider though, so it's a tricky one to discuss. The main one being that a lot of the folk who've entered who might be less active on the Forum are still very active customers, many of them on a weekly/monthly basis. Is the Painting Comp a Forum thing, or a broader Pendraken one? If we call it a forum event, then the point becomes much more important, however as a wider Pendraken competition, then anyone who has contributed by buying figures is eligible to enter.
A couple of very good points there Leon. For me, I've always thought of it as a 'forum competition', for no other reason than it is open to forum members. I hadn't considered the 'silent members' who are much better customers for Pendraken than my humble self. I don't think there is an easy way to resolve this, but I think it is something that needs looking at if it puts members (such as myself) off from entering.
A few thoughts are:
- Having a pro-painter category (but then what counts as a pro-painter?).
- Having a minimum number of posts per annum (but this could disqualify new members who just happen to have joined at the painting comp time, but intend to be 'active contributors' to the forum).
- Have a diorama category. This could seperate the 'average wargames base' from the stunning one off entries (hopefully!).
- Maybe the Winners of the previous year sit out the current one, but the downside would be we wouldn't see their wonderful work.
As I've already said, I don't see an easy way out for this.
I'm a fan of war games, but my fun is to paint miniatures. I started painting 10 years and now it's been almost 5 decades. My father painted paintings with all kind of colors, oil, tempera , acrylic, ink, and it was very good . In fact he was able to paint a Picasso, and his copy was identical to, a real camera that passed from eyes to hands. All this to tell you something I inherited from my father. Last year I participated in the competition . I have not been rewarded, but that does not matter . With me there was also my brother in law , a famous painter and sculptor of international renown. He saw the pictures of the competition and was astonished when he learned of the winners.
Why do you say this? because I think you're right , but at the same time I also say that Pendraken right. You have to quard with a wider vision , marketing , tells you nothing ? but I think you know very well what I mean.
Well all this for let you know that this year I participated in the competition , I do not care to win, but just let me know , nothing else. Surely there will be people who will appreciate my work , some do not , but nobody will take away the satisfaction of seeing my pictures , good or bad they are, I'm not a photographer , publicate .
However, I understand you and I invite you to participate in the next edition .
I forgot , sorry for my english .
Florindo...
Have to say that I agree with Tiny on his OP.
I've entered every year but this and didn't dream I had any chance of winning but entered into the spirit with full aplomb and have watched the competition go from strength to strength. The entries year on year get better and better and are a fabulous marketing tool for spreading the gospel about Pendraken. I really like the fact that the prize contributors come from across the wargaming spectrum - neat trick TEAM PD, spread the loving thats what I say!
I didn't enter this year as I haven't painted anything 10mm wise, although I have made the occassional purchase - mainly mini-bits in the last year. Yes I still have a veritable mountain of Pendraken Loveliness but as I have posted elsewhere I'm just not 'feeling the love' for wargaming this year.
The winners each year have been outstanding efforts and I applaud each and every one of them but as Tiny says it would be nice to hear a bit more from them even if its to write an article on their entry - how they got inspiration, what methods they use and better still how they manage to photo their minis so beautifully...
There does seem to be a distinct growth in professional looking entries with superb montages. Personally I'd like to see these montages dropped and each entry only receive one photo and that to be simple - no logos, no montage, no photoshopping etc all of which (like good marketing should) captures the eye/holds the attention/grabs the headlines.
I run a wide range of competitions and awards events and am a fiercely competitive sportsman - after all there aren't any prizes for coming second.... so i know how difficult it is finding balance, even equity. However I trust 100% in the integrity of PD team and the various Judges all of whom know far more about business and painting that I will ever be capable of understanding.
It would be good to see some of the thoughts posted above taken into consideration in the future - which it looks like Leon is already aware of and is thinking about.
It's a painting competition, surely what's important is how good you are at painting.
OK so it's an online painting competition so how good you are at photography also has a bearing.
Do we really want the forum cluttered up with comments, inane or bland, just so some poor sod can rack up his quota of posts? Don't we generate enough rubbish as it is? ;D
Do we really want to penalise those who are busy, shy or temperamentally taciturn?
From Pendraken's point of view it must be better if, when people search for "Pendraken" online, they find beautifully painted and well shot images and not some slightly out-of-focus wargaming equivalent of a holiday snap. No matter how often the poster comments on the forum or how often they buy "Ooh! Shiny!" from the company.
I'd rather see brilliant pieces entered by professional painters and lose out in the competition than win a prize and lose the inspiration and motivation they provide.
I have a fifty quid compact camera and a graphics package that came free with my previous printer and my painting is workmanlike but not brilliant. I don't expect to win* anything but I certainly haven't let myself down with my entries. To me that's what matters.
Perhaps I'm a relic of a bygone age but for me it really is not the winning but the taking part that matters.
Bring 'em all on and give me something to aspire to!
Mike
*Dear judges please don't take this to mean I don't WANT to win! ;D ;D ;D
Hold Hunter has a point.
Also, so does everyone...
My opinion, which will be as wrong as my personal politics and choice of football team, is entirely mine.
Here we go...
I love this forum.
I only enter entries painted in February (apart from army threads) to the competition as I know how good the other entries will be. I hold a vain hope that one day I might place.
To me the purpose of the comp is
a) to show off (I'm narcissistic)
b) so everyone else, no matter howmany posts, can show their talents and what they enjoy, no matter how good they are.
c) to draw out the silent majority who don't regularly post to show what they do. These are the people who enjoy Pendraken products, but don't want to read our pages of banter.
d) Its great publicity for a great company.
e) Shrewsbury Town and somewhere to the left of Trotsky, before you ask! :P
Some very good points chap's and a difficult one to manage. I am as most of you know, a pro painter, unfortunately i dont game so am unable to comment on a lot of posts so can only really contribute to the visual side of the forum. I can see and understand all points made. I got my inspiration and uniform knowledge from Dazza's great works on here and hopefully have given the same to other people in return, not just to show off. I'd like to think i have helped a few people on the way and am always here to help, i dont know if their are more pro painters on here but i would be happy to sit out the competitions in the future and just stick to posting in the threads. The competition for me,(as it should be), is just great fun, not just going in to win but to see all the great work and showcase what is possible in 10mm.
kev
Some other ideas that spring to mind while reading this. It has been my impression (but I could be wrong) that a number of those who entered the competition, but don't participate on the forum much come from countries where English is not the primary language. My thinking is that this fact alone could be reason enough. If you take a step back, you will find that this forum is not the easiest to participate in for any non-UK residents. Given all the in-jokes, slang, discussion of local events and topics and what-not, and I'm certain many will feel a little more than bewildered if coming here from abroad. But to me, it is the Pendraken painting competition, not the Pendraken Forum painting competition. So participation in the forum should never be mandatory in my opinion.
A second point, maybe all those who aren't very active on the Forum spend their time honing their painting skills instead? I for one am quite sure that all the time spent here (34 days and counting) detracts from the time I spend at the painting desk. So, maybe some people would like to spend their free time painting and/or gaming, rather than spend time on the forum?
One idea could be to move the competition away from the forum, by hosting all entries on the Pendraken website. There could still be discussion on the forum ofcourse. (Maybe on the main site as well?) Moving to the main site would also make a great showcase for Pendraken Miniatures.
Alex
I am with the notion to make entering the competition depending on active membership BUT where would one draw the line? Who would keep note of members activity in the previous year?
There will always be people only up for grabs and others just for the fun of it. I would leave it to the judges to give points not only according to skill but also according to "soft factors". I am confident our judges are wise enough to
make a good balance between the factors and come to an agreement.
Just my thoughts.
Who has time to keep a record of my member's activity? And what if one of their husbands found out?
Quote from: FierceKitty on 02 March 2014, 12:58:54 PM
Who has time to keep a record of my member's activity? And what if one of their husbands found out?
Exactly as I say: Such venture is futile.
i haveny posted much as you can see
i entered with no chance of winning i
i entered for fun and to show what i do
its a competition so any member should be able to enter
some of the posts here are ridiculous so would they count?
top totty is oldmen porn really so does that count?
come on guys dont turn into tmp
btwi would like publicly to thank dave and leon for arranging a satisfactory ending to my issue with the mongols
gentlemen both and typical of the better elements here
i buy a reasonable amount i think
I don't think any link to posting (or not) should matter for the painting comp.
While the prizes are very nice, I'm not sure that they are that valuable that someone is going to decide to spend a lot of time on a painting comp entry, if they don't already have an interest in 10mm and Pendraken.
The skill level has definitely risen - and this year I did hesitate before posting my stuff. And it has to be said didn't get round to doing anything particularly for the comp, just displaying stuff I had worked on during the last year.
But I am musing about doing a diorama for next year (if someone could remind me around Nov it would be good) - Kev's artillery base looks particularly great. I have also been using bigger bases this year for my gaming units and like the way that you can make a much more interesting unit, than with the 40x20 warmaster base, which is crammed with troops.
Quote from: sakura on 02 March 2014, 01:32:41 PM
i entered for fun and to show what i do
its a competition so any member should be able to enter
some of the posts here are ridiculous so would they count?
top totty is oldmen porn really so does that count?
come on guys dont turn into tmp
That too.
Although I may substitute the word many for some on line 3 :P
Well said Sakura. (Except the bit about "oldmen porn". That's just rude.) I have no problem with "cadets" entering the painting comps. As long as it benefits the Dark Lord's purposes and enterprises we (the hair in the Pendraken plughole) can surely applaud the efforts of everyone who enters?
I didn´t organize the competition and it´s only my second year participating, but I think that it is a PAINTING competition, not a FORUM competition. With the painting competition we can see what a painter (proffesional or not) could do with these lovely miniatures. I would lie if I said I don´t want to win, but it´s also true that I have not painted anything specially for the competition. All my entries are related with my actual 10mm projects: Magnesia & Lord of the Rings. As I said, the best part of the competition is the push I get for advance in my projects.
In the other way, a forum competition would also be great, something like The Legend of Four Painters or so... a competition were we could see how people advance on thier projects.
I agree with some points already said:
- Winners at least should write a post explaining their entri or answering people´s questions.
- There is no sense on a "two pics" limit if we could make a collage... (shame on me!). However, I like to see various angles of a figure
- Love the diorama idea!
About the participation on the forum, I´m afraid I´m not a "forum-man"... sadly I don´t have enought time. Also, as OldenBUA said, english is not my first language. Seriously guys, I cant´understand you half of the times! @-)
English is my first language and I can't puzzle out a lot of what's posted!
Craig,
I understand your feelings - I have been a LTL (long time lurker) on the forum but have contributed nothing over the past year or so. This has been due to several factors (won't bore everyone with them.) However, I have taken the opportunity of the competition to give a boost to my 'tardy' painting of 2 Pendraken ACW armies (RF&F) and also to make good with a New Year resolution to begin to post on the forum. I imagine a few others will do the same. I thoroughly enjoy reading posts on the different topics and the photo section (especially ACW) always provides inspiration. My main concern is what to paint after the ACW! I have 2 small AWI armies awaiting but I also like the look of the Mongol and Augsberg ranges and I also have a hankering for the 'new' Napoleonics!
Thanks to Will who gave advice on getting my pics transferred and I WILL post more of them as I progress through the lead pile.
Eric
(AKA 'Scolty')
:)
Quote from: kev1964 on 02 March 2014, 09:25:37 AM
Some very good points chap's and a difficult one to manage. I am as most of you know, a pro painter, unfortunately i dont game so am unable to comment on a lot of posts so can only really contribute to the visual side of the forum. I can see and understand all points made. I got my inspiration and uniform knowledge from Dazza's great works on here and hopefully have given the same to other people in return, not just to show off. I'd like to think i have helped a few people on the way and am always here to help, i dont know if their are more pro painters on here but i would be happy to sit out the competitions in the future and just stick to posting in the threads. The competition for me,(as it should be), is just great fun, not just going in to win but to see all the great work and showcase what is possible in 10mm.
kev
You and many others have certainly helped and inspired me :-bd
I would dearly miss your entries if they weren't there :( even though it would improve my slim chances ;)
The very success of the competition in raising standards is causing challenges
I would find it a great pity if participation in the painting competition would be limited in any other way than the basic conditions that apply today. The contributions are extremely inspiring. The more there are the greater the fun. I also fail to see the connection between forum posting frequency and participation in the competition. The only question one could ask is whether "professionals" should be separated from the "amateurs". But that is unrelated to somebody's posting frequency on the forums and it is not something that bothers me. If some of the 28mm pros could be drawn to the one real scale that could only be a good thing. I missed the deadline this year, but hope to participate next year again.
I love ogling the entries in the competition, and find them inspiring. Should "professionals" be able to compete? From my point of view the answer would be a resounding yes, their work is amazing, and shows off Pendraken figures for the works of art they are. Should they be eligible for the prizes? I think that is a question only those who donate the prizes should be able to decide, but I am not sure that the prizes are the motivation for people entering. I hope we can keep a sense of proportion here. I also hope we do not take ourselves so seriously that we encumber the competition with more rules and restrictions than the Oscars or the Olympics. Is the Painting Competition broke? I don't think so. So let's not fix it!
Cheers all,
Mollinary
Quote from: mollinary on 02 March 2014, 10:26:19 PM
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I hope we can keep a sense of proportion here. I also hope we do not take ourselves so seriously that we encumber the competition with more rules and restrictions than the Oscars or the Olympics.
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Cheers all,
Mollinary
But, but ... this is much more important than the Oscars, this is tiny toy soldiers ;D ;D ;D
Perspective is indeed important
By the way, the next time you're in Burma, you might find it useful to know that the persistent local who keeps telling you about "Oscar" is not introducing himself, inviting you to discuss The Importance of being Earnest, or complaining that the greatest director yet never got the award he deserved; it's SE Asian pronunciation of horse cart, and he's offering his services as a taxi. Took us a while to puzzle it out.
'Professional painter'?!?
This does not mean that they produce quality painting, only that they (try) to make a living doing it.
Quote from: mollinary on 02 March 2014, 10:26:19 PM
I love ogling the entries in the competition, and find them inspiring. Should "professionals" be able to compete? From my point of view the answer would be a resounding yes, their work is amazing, and shows off Pendraken figures for the works of art they are. Should they be eligible for the prizes? I think that is a question only those who donate the prizes should be able to decide, but I am not sure that the prizes are the motivation for people entering. I hope we can keep a sense of proportion here. I also hope we do not take ourselves so seriously that we encumber the competition with more rules and restrictions than the Oscars or the Olympics. Is the Painting Competition broke? I don't think so. So let's not fix it!
Cheers all,
Mollinary
Mollinary is, of course, right. The vast majority of us entered with little or no hope of winning anything. The old principle of "not the winning but the taking part" may have been somewhat devalued these days, but it still holds. Heaping on restrictions that narrow down the field serves no-one's interests. Let's let it be.
Let's keep it as a competition of painting quality not of quantity of chat.
Hi there,
just to give away my two cents:
I've joined this year painting competion as last year I was really amazed about the overall quality of entries.
I've not a high post count on my profile (this post would be my tenth)... But still I've 11 hours logged in on this forum, as I follow it (lurking) daily from more than a year.
am I entitled to partecipate to the PPC? I'm heartly feeling I am.
I feel I am an active forum member. I was here when there was all those ranting ;D about centurions (and I silently seconded them).
I was here when there was the discussion on the "pendraken mongols kickstarter". I felt very sorry for the loss of a person I never met, but from whom I've read a lot here.
I've visited salute twice, and as I'm from Italy that is something like a big achievment... the first time I come back with a couple of armies bought at Pendraken stand... then I've managed to push for a 10 mm project with my club, and we started a big FPW campaign with pendraken sculpts... (by the way, has been planned a re working for those? I'd love to see it with new style sculpting)...
in january I've ordered some packs of figure to enter in the competition...
I was also very pleased to see my blog ( http://thewarworkbench.blogspot.it) counter going up with a lot of visit from pendraken.co.uk
and that's is. I still feel to be a part of this forum community. even with only 10 posts...
Quote from: keeryel on 03 March 2014, 04:15:56 PM
Hi there,
just to give away my two cents:
I've joined this year painting competion as last year I was really amazed about the overall quality of entries.
I've not a high post count on my profile (this post would be my tenth)... But still I've 11 hours logged in on this forum, as I follow it (lurking) daily from more than a year.
am I entitled to partecipate to the PPC? I'm heartly feeling I am.
I feel I am an active forum member. I was here when there was all those ranting ;D about centurions (and I silently seconded them).
I was here when there was the discussion on the "pendraken mongols kickstarter". I felt very sorry for the loss of a person I never met, but from whom I've read a lot here.
I've visited salute twice, and as I'm from Italy that is something like a big achievment... the first time I come back with a couple of armies bought at Pendraken stand... then I've managed to push for a 10 mm project with my club, and we started a big FPW campaign with pendraken sculpts... (by the way, has been planned a re working for those? I'd love to see it with new style sculpting)...
in january I've ordered some packs of figure to enter in the competition...
I was also very pleased to see my blog ( http://thewarworkbench.blogspot.it) counter going up with a lot of visit from pendraken.co.uk
and that's is. I still feel to be a part of this forum community. even with only 10 posts...
Esattamente, Rafael! è bene che tu sei qui
I would suggest that if anyone's painting skills are ever linked to their ability to chat on a forum in a foreign language that a request is made for new other-language sections on the forum. Pendraken is for everyone!
Hear, hear ! :)
Cheers - Phil.
Quote from: WeeWars on 03 March 2014, 04:38:54 PM
Esattamente, Rafael! è bene che tu sei qui
I would suggest that if anyone's painting skills are ever linked to their ability to chat on a forum in a foreign language that a request is made for new other-language sections on the forum. Pendraken is for everyone!
Well said that man and Rafael =D> =D> =D>
Quote from: Ithoriel on 02 March 2014, 08:56:21 AM
Don't we generate enough rubbish as it is? ;D
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Quote from: keeryel on 03 March 2014, 04:15:56 PM
I feel I am an active forum member. I was here when there was all those ranting ;D about centurions (and I silently seconded them).
Ranting? I don't remember any ranting.
Quote from: fsn on 03 March 2014, 08:24:16 PM
Ranting? I don't remember any ranting.
;D ;D ;D
I think the competition is ok as it is, i for one did not enter with a view to wining anything,and yes i entered dioramas this year,and armies last year,i did so because i felt like it,nothing else,and no other motive.I have been a member of this forum for almost two years now,and find some bits informative, others who show their work inspiring,and other bits quite frankly confusing,but that is what makes it interesting ,whether your into wargames , d&d, 40k ,or Airfix kits,or any other facet of model making/painting we all do so because we like the escapism it gives us,and the chance to meet like minded folk on forums such as this . long may it continue.
I think the painting competition is a great idea for the following reasons (in no particular order).
1. It showcases a number of different ranges.
2. It may give people ideas on another project, especially if there are no pics on the website of a particular figure or model.
3. It gives everybody a good reason to get painting. (Since I heard of the competition just before Christmas I have painted 221 10mm figures -all bar 6 being Pendraken.)
4. It is inspirational in that the incredible variety of painting and basing styles are all together on display in a few posts as opposed to trawling through the relevant Topics.
5. I'd like to think that if anybody had a question about a particular style the painter would be only too happy to share his/her knowledge and/or experience.
6. It might be a cliche but a picture definitely does paint a thousand words.
7. It is aspirational. By that I mean people can look at the way others paint and think, I can do that...and the go and do it.
Let's not lose sight of the fact that the primary purpose of the painting comp is to display (and by extension, sell) Pendraken figures. The forum exists for much the same reason. The more participants who post to either, the more exposure the figures get. As others have mentioned, the connection between the two is tenuous at best - the forum promotes the competition but that's all - and if that draws in participants, so much the better.
Well said,Hertsblue.
I'd rather argue that the forum exists to promote wargaming, and that Pendraken host it in the understandable confidence that their product is good enough to be a winner if wargaming in general is.
QuoteThe winners each year have been outstanding efforts and I applaud each and every one of them but as Tiny says it would be nice to hear a bit more from them even if its to write an article on their entry - how they got inspiration, what methods they use and better still how they manage to photo their minis so beautifully...
Is this something people would like to see?
I'm not thinking to blow my own trumpet or anything but if people are interested I will do a write up and I'm sure Kev, BH62, Goat Major, Steamflunky et al would do the same. You can see the level of work involved - my pre 20th cent foot entry took approx. 35 hours.
Matt
QuoteIs this something people would like to see?
Yes, I would like to see it! :-bd
I also have a question for Kev. Should I do it here or start another topic?
Cheers!
P.D.: Congrats again, Matt! =D>
Quote from: Matt of Munslow on 06 March 2014, 08:59:13 AM
Is this something people would like to see?
Yes, please do!
Farles
I certainly would, as well, Matt.
Cheers - Phil
QuoteYou can see the level of work involved - my pre 20th cent foot entry took approx. 35 hours.
Blimey, no wonder they look so good :o. But I would be interested to see how you go about painting them as others have said.
Yes, please! Always looking for tips and hints.
Mollinary
My tip would be to pay Kev or Matt to paint them for you ;D
Quote from: Fenton on 06 March 2014, 12:20:19 PM
My tip would be to pay Kev or Matt to paint them for you ;D
;D ;D ;D,
I had hoped to do a , how i did this this, before, but due to a dodgy camera and the laptop not reading the memory card i gave up.
I have 5 artillery crew and one gun ready primed , so i'll get working on them at the weekend.
kev
Like Kev I'll try to do some painting notes and put some methodology down this weekend. I think Kev's approach is different to mine (I picked his brains after last years comp ;)) so it would be good to demonstrate there are many ways to skin a cat.
If the kitten knocks over my phalangites once more, I may be testing that adage.