Hello,
This is my first post on your forum, since now I have only read and watched many pictures. So hello to everyone.
I want to start a warmaster army. I decided for the pendraken miniatures, because they cover most of the needed units and the miniatures look very nice. And here comes the problem:
I can not decide between High Elves/Dark Elves and the Undead army and this brings me to some questions, which should help me finding a decision:
1. Is there any fitting miniature for the high elf Dragon or Dragon rider?
2. Is there any fitting miniature for the sphinx of the undead?
3. I think the great skeletons would probably fit for the Bone giant. Could anyone please post a picture of a size comparison between a normal skeleton and a large one?
4. The army pack for both, the high and dark elf army is very good for starting warmaster. The undead one really seems not to be. Is there any possible different mix of an army pack for the undead?
5. Could anyone please post a picture of the dark elf raptor riders (I think they could fit for the cold one riders)?
6. Is there any fitting miniature for the war hydra of the dark elf army?
7. Is there any fitting miniature for the cauldron of blood?
And the most important question of all: is it possible to ship to germany and how much would it probably cost?
Thank you for helping me out with my question. Please excuse me for my bad english, I am not a native speaker. ;-)
Good night,
Tyzor
Hi Tyzor, welcome to the forum.
I love Warmaster so it's nice to see someone else getting involved in it.
For the High Elf Dragon Rider/ Hero on a Dragon I'd suggest FME14/ Period: Fantasy/ Range: Men/ Dragon lancer (1).
Can't think of anything that would do as a Sphinx, sorry.
I think the great skeletons are a bit small for bone giants - I use a pair of 28mm skeletons myself.
Raptor riders - in the thread "Fantasy & Sci-Fi - Entries Only!" there are painted raptor riders by mad lemmey.
Can't think of anything off-hand to use as either the Hydra or the Cauldron of Blood. Others here may have suggestions though.
I'll leave details of posting to Germany (definitely possible) and varying pack contents to Leon.
Have fun with Warmaster!
Ithoriel, Prince of the Tower of Silence, Watcher of the Lustrian Shore :D
Thanks for the fast reply. Is there a picture of the dragon lancer available? The 28mm idea is good. If I decide for the undead I will copy that. ;)
If you also play warmaster, which army would you suggest to be really nice to play?
Don't know of a picture of the Dragon Lancer but AC14 is the same dragon - flying with wings outstretched and breathing flames - the Dragon Lancer has an armoured figure on the back. That may help give an idea of what you'd get.
The Warmaster armies are pretty well balanced so you should get a decent game with any of them.
The Undead rely on a mass of units to absorb damage while whittling the enemy down but also have some good offensive units in the chariots and monsters plus good spells.
High Elf armies tend to be more compact, with better armour and better command values. The leadership 10 general makes them very effective in smaller games. Also have some good magic though the main offensive power is in the Silver Helms.
Dark Elves are similar to High Elves, though they have a different mix of units which I think makes them a little more versatile.
I think High Elves in most games are pretty boring...lots of spearmen and Archers and usually for some reason better than everyone else
I take the minimum of spearmen and archers in my HE armies and lots of Silver Helms, chariots and characters on dragons!
Elves ought to be good! They live for thousands of years. In the first century they get an education, pay off their student loans, get married, have kids, pay off the mortgage and set up a pension. All they have to do for the next nine thousand nine hundred years is practice swordcraft and buy arms and armour with more enchantments on them than you've had hot spaghetti breakfasts :D
HE armies live and die on their manouevrability. With decent command rolls they can run rings around an opponent. With poor ones they die horribly!
Quote from: Tyzor on 26 February 2014, 10:48:24 PM
1. Is there any fitting miniature for the high elf Dragon or Dragon rider?
Code FME14, Dragon Lancer:
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/madlemmey/Pendraken%20Painting%20Competition%202013/029_zps00578ab7.jpg)
Quote from: Tyzor on 26 February 2014, 10:48:24 PM
2. Is there any fitting miniature for the sphinx of the undead?
Not sure on that one? Do you have a picture?
Quote from: Tyzor on 26 February 2014, 10:48:24 PM
3. I think the great skeletons would probably fit for the Bone giant. Could anyone please post a picture of a size comparison between a normal skeleton and a large one?
Yep, either the larger skeletons, or a 28mm one as Ithoriel suggests.
Quote from: Tyzor on 26 February 2014, 10:48:24 PM
4. The army pack for both, the high and dark elf army is very good for starting warmaster. The undead one really seems not to be. Is there any possible different mix of an army pack for the undead?
We can change the army pack for you, no problem. The easiest thing to do is send us a list of exactly what you would like, and we will sort it out for you.
Quote from: Tyzor on 26 February 2014, 10:48:24 PM
5. Could anyone please post a picture of the dark elf raptor riders (I think they could fit for the cold one riders)?
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/madlemmey/014_zpscbd695b0.jpg)
Quote from: Tyzor on 26 February 2014, 10:48:24 PM
6. Is there any fitting miniature for the war hydra of the dark elf army?
Nothing suitable in our ranges unfortunately. :(
Quote from: Tyzor on 26 February 2014, 10:48:24 PM
7. Is there any fitting miniature for the cauldron of blood?
Not sure? Maybe a conversion using something from the Dungeon ranges?
Quote from: Tyzor on 26 February 2014, 10:48:24 PM
And the most important question of all: is it possible to ship to germany and how much would it probably cost?
Definitely, shipping to Germany is no problem at all. The shipping cost is 15% of your order total, with a minimum charge of £3.50.
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Thanks for all the helpful answers. I definetly love the raptot riders and the dragon lancer is also such a wonderful miniature. It is a really tough decision. ;)
Edit: is the 15% automatical purchased and which possilities of payment are there?
And one last warmaster question: could someone tell me about experience with using pendraken for warmaster. How many miniatures you use for a stand?
Final thought before I head for bed!
For Cauldron of Blood perhaps a conversion based on the OT2 Ottoman Turk Foot command with soup pot and carriers (22)/ Period: Renaissance/ Range: 16th C. Ottoman Turks/ £4.50
(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/PEN/DSCF2177_zps0641659f.jpg)
Just an idea.
I based my undead up for Warmaster
this is it so far:
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc31/Maenoferren/DSCF0986_zps9d12f3fe.jpg
i was doing roughly 5/6 figures on a base for the shambling hordes and 3/4 for more hard hitting stuff. you can see the larger giants on the right of the photo.
Quote from: Tyzor on 27 February 2014, 12:28:08 AM
Edit: is the 15% automatical purchased and which possilities of payment are there?
The shipping is automatically added to your Basket when you go through the Checkout, and payment is by PayPal.
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Hi Tyzor,
Welcome to the forum.
For bone giants I have used these (Scroll down to the Mummy figure):
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/190793813315?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&var=490131114494&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
They are really easy to convert into different poses too.
The Anubis war dogs (same page) aren't too bad as a Sphinx substitute.
Finally, don't worry about your English beacuse:
1) It's very good;
2) You'll still make more sense than most of us around here :D
Welcome, Tyzor - good to see another Warmaster fan here 8)
You could look at the Giant Mummy for your Bone Giant:
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/10mm%20ghouls%20etc/STA41111.jpg)
On-table with some other 'normal' sized Pendraken figures:
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-82ij5g9YfvI/T6eom8pCkbI/AAAAAAAAAG8/nrCBs6Lb6EA/s903/IMG_20120507_105222.jpg)
- from this bat rep: http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5083.0.html which has got some Tomb Kings types in it...
Or go 28mm as the others say - I did this with my Gobbos, using an old plastic Heroquest zombie (I think) for my Giant:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Edph8SXBG_k/UfUiSvqBDqI/AAAAAAAACZE/K4a4pPAod00/w464-h632-no/IMG_3182.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-71ixIo1VgHY/UfUiUkKAnwI/AAAAAAAACZQ/UGEVfImEs80/w948-h632-no/IMG_3171.jpg)
- with the others: http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7943.0.html
For my Pendraken WM armies, I've actually based them on 50x25 (rather than the normal WM 40x20) as the figures are quite large...my Wood Elves & Gobbos are in-action here:
http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7963.0.html
I'm working on Beastmen at the moment :)
Thanks a lot. We will definitley go with 40*20mm. I thought about one line of foot with 4 miniatures. Could anybody probably help me out with a photo of line of miniatures and a measurement next to? I am not sure about this idea and do want to buy enough miniatures. ;)
I have no photos but you can easily get 8 miniatures on a 40x20 base
Thank you for your answer.
How big is the optical difference between the dark and the high elves? Is it possible to mix the miniatures and still get and uniformed looking army?
Quote from: Tyzor on 28 February 2014, 12:37:18 PM
How big is the optical difference between the dark and the high elves? Is it possible to mix the miniatures and still get and uniformed looking army?
They are both similar height and style, and were done by the same sculptor.
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So I decided for the High elves and also placed an order. By now I only wait for a friend of mine and his decision for a warmaster army. Thanks everybody for the help.
To the warmaster gamers: are there any tactical guides for the high elves or any active warmaster communities?
Quote from: Tyzor on 28 February 2014, 11:56:21 AM
Thanks a lot. We will definitley go with 40*20mm. I thought about one line of foot with 4 miniatures. Could anybody probably help me out with a photo of line of miniatures and a measurement next to? I am not sure about this idea and do want to buy enough miniatures. ;)
Greetings from a German living in Edinburgh. You will definitely love this company, postage is no problem but allow some time for delivery.
May I suggest a slightly larger base? 80*40 and use a diceframe (minibits.net) as casualty marker?
Greetings back to Edinburgh.
My Warmaster Ancient Carthaginians are based on 20*40mm bases and it has proved, that for the tables and terrain in our club it is really the right size. ;-)
Quote from: Fenton on 28 February 2014, 11:57:47 AM
I have no photos but you can easily get 8 miniatures on a 40x20 base
This is not necessarily true with the Dark Elves - especially the spearmen. They are amongst the largest figures in the Pendraken catalogue and have quite a wide stance. I'll try and get a photo, but you'd struggle to get more than two ranks of three on a 40x20 base.
Cheers!
Meirion
Standardised bases are more important in Warmaster than the number of figures.
40 x 20mm is the recommended size so if you are likely to play other people I'd stick with that.
Half a dozen figures per stand would be OK I'd have thought, if that's all that fits.
I must totally agree with your opinion. The stands must look good. If the unit looks good with only one model per base it is okay, if you like it with 8 models per stand, then go for it. By know I will test it with 4 models per stand in one row and if I do not like it, I will put another order and bring more models to one stand.
I have two additional questions:
1. I have used google for this one and did not find anything that fits my wishes: Is there a blog or stuff, where you can find tutorials for nice looking 10mm terrain? Especially ideas for the fantasy setting. In our club we have many terrain for 40k and stuff and for 15mm FOW, but FOW does not fit for fantasy. ;-)
2. Which scale should ships for warmaster be? I think it must be 1:150 if you use 10mm, but then a ship is like one metre long. I found an old forgeworld ship for warmaster, but I did not found anything about the scale. If somebody could help me out with this?
I quite happily got 8 of the high elf spears on a 40x20 base - the cast on bases of the figures are a bit wide, but can be trimmed a little to help the fit.
But some of the Pendraken fantasy are quite chunky, so you may only get 6 on a base, Lizardmen, Gnomes and Orcs come to mind.
One thing to be aware of is that the Pendraken fantasy range is quite big (more 12mm than 10mm) unlike their historicals, and if you are planning on using PD figures alongside GW Warmaster ones the PD ones will look quite big.
As to ships - use 1:150 is about the right scale for 10mm. I have a Heller plastic viking long boat kit, its probably about 15cm long. I suppose it depends what size of boat you want, and what you want it do in the game. I think most medieval boats were fairly small.
Tyzor, for inspiration you might like to look at the 2md Warmaster picture archive, if you haven't already found it it's at
http://www.2md.dk/gw-warmaster/images/
There's a section on terrain as well as lots of pictures of units, though most of the figures are Games Workshop rather than Pendraken.
It's a good place to look if wondering about colour schemes. for example.
There are even some pics uploaded by me!
I made my order and now I am waiting for the wonderful miniatures to start painting. :-D
Thank you all for the help.
Quote from: Tyzor on 04 March 2014, 08:35:02 PM
I made my order and now I am waiting for the wonderful miniatures to start painting. :-D
Thank you all for the help.
Bit late now then, but here are the dark elf spearmen for anyone else interested:
(http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l602/Meirion_Hopkins/10mm%20Minis/Dark%20Elves/7269c8b7-4449-4c09-8049-c46906bb3f18.jpg)
(http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l602/Meirion_Hopkins/10mm%20Minis/Dark%20Elves/db98ee94-0d75-459d-be72-9afdfa4c7bd7.jpg)
I've only got two of the unhelmeted variety, hence the mixed second base. I've also no idea which figure is which code becasue they came as part of the army pack.
Cheers,
Meirion
Quote from: O Dinas Powys on 04 March 2014, 08:42:05 PM
I've only got two of the unhelmeted variety, hence the mixed second base. I've also no idea which figure is which code becasue they came as part of the army pack.
FDE2 on the left, FDE8 on the right.
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Today (my girlfriends birthday!) the postmen knocked at our door: "Sorry this is too big for your postbox!". I was like "yeah my miniatures" and then like "birthdayparty" :'( :'( :'( ;D ;D. So my package has arrived everything was in it and the miniatures look really good. Can not wait to start painting, but must wait. ;)
Dark Elf thread is growing here...8)
http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9491.0.html (http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9491.0.html)
Hope that helps.