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Non-Wargaming Discussion => Fun Stuff => Topic started by: Fenton on 18 February 2014, 09:41:43 AM

Title: The Supertank
Post by: Fenton on 18 February 2014, 09:41:43 AM
Title: Re: The Supertank
Post by: Hertsblue on 18 February 2014, 09:50:26 AM
What a marvelous beastie! And an original, if the comments are to be believed.  =D> =D> =D>
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Post by: ronan on 18 February 2014, 07:01:32 PM
i like it !
:x
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Post by: fsn on 18 February 2014, 07:20:40 PM
That's a thing of beauty!
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Post by: Ithoriel on 18 February 2014, 07:25:26 PM
A thing of beauty? It's a big, slow, underarmoured target! Nice to see one on the move though. I keep forgetting how loud tanks are until I see things like this.
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Post by: fsn on 18 February 2014, 07:28:25 PM
Sorry, I had my Panzer colonel hat on, in which case it is bloomin' gorgeous!
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Post by: Fenton on 18 February 2014, 07:37:13 PM
Quote from: Ithoriel on 18 February 2014, 07:25:26 PM
A thing of beauty? It's a big, slow, underarmoured target! Nice to see one on the move though. I keep forgetting how loud tanks are until I see things like this.

It would have been more than a match or anything else in europe at the time it was built I reckon
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Post by: Ithoriel on 19 February 2014, 12:23:25 AM
Until it broke down :)

Apparently 90% of those lost in during Barbarossa were lost due to mechanical failure - mainly transmission faults - or were simply abandoned by their crews.

Big, slow, cramped, unreliable, difficult to enter and exit but well armed for the period and not badly armoured for the time.

In armoured vehicles bigger is not always better.
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Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 19 February 2014, 08:19:27 AM
It's too long, so you cant steer it easily, fire control would be a nightmare, and it's not got enough armour. Other than that it's an excellent tank.

IanS
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Post by: Hertsblue on 19 February 2014, 10:25:08 AM
Oh, lighten up! It's an antique, a reminder of what things used to be, a page out of history, if you like. And as Ithoriel points out, wonderfully noisy.  :P
Title: Re: The Supertank
Post by: Fenton on 19 February 2014, 10:28:42 AM
Quote from: Ithoriel on 19 February 2014, 12:23:25 AM
Until it broke down :)

Apparently 90% of those lost in during Barbarossa were lost due to mechanical failure - mainly transmission faults - or were simply abandoned by their crews.

Big, slow, cramped, unreliable, difficult to enter and exit but well armed for the period and not badly armoured for the time.

In armoured vehicles bigger is not always better.

I was refering to the mid 30's rather than WW2
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Post by: DanJ on 19 February 2014, 02:14:03 PM
It's a 'proper' tank  :D, big and loud with lots of guns and turrets.
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Post by: Ithoriel on 19 February 2014, 03:44:29 PM
Quote from: Fenton on 19 February 2014, 10:28:42 AM
I was refering to the mid 30's rather than WW2

So what you're saying is it's a good tank ... as long as you aren't fighting a war?  :-\
Title: Re: The Supertank
Post by: Fenton on 19 February 2014, 03:50:59 PM
Yup , bit like the Italian tanks, probably some of the best in the world in the mid 30's but outdated by the time the war started
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Post by: Wulf on 19 February 2014, 05:17:45 PM
Against infanbtry it would have been a hellish death machine. Even if the crew just randomly fired in all directions it would have been terrifying...

Admittely, with anything bigger than an ATR it was a tad less than unstoppable...
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Post by: Hertsblue on 20 February 2014, 09:02:26 AM
It was, after all, built as an infantry support tank. But it evolved with good weaponry but sub-standard protection, as opposed to the British Matilda which had excellent protection but poor armament.
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Post by: Ithoriel on 20 February 2014, 12:27:10 PM
The problem with the T35 (IMHO) is neither armament, which was actually good for the time, nor armour, which was no worse than most of it's contemporaries, but mechanical unreliability coupled with lack of internal communication which turned it into a cluster of independent bunkers on a far too regular basis. As said to begin with, big, slow (often static!), cramped and hard to enter and exit.

An impressive beast to be sure .... providing you weren't crew :)