1) Start with faces and hands. You'll inevitably muck the surrounding colours up when you paint them otherwise.
2) Don't set deadlines; you'll just feel bad about not meeting them. The secret is to paint a bit every day, however small.
3) Listen to opera when you paint. Unless it's the American war in Vietnam, which demands thumping and mumbling rock of the most brain-rotting species.
4) Keep your working surface cat-free. Also explain to wives and lovers that advance notice is required before sudden hugs from behind.
5) Always keep a few horses handy to use up leftover nondescript brown and gray shades.
6) Marker pens can do a very good job on reins, belts, tartans, mottoes on banners, shields.
7) Piero della Francesca was a fresco painter. Don't try to paint small figures to the same standard.
Your contributions, comrades-in-arms.
Agree with all but the first one, and in two minds about disagreeing on that one :-\
Washes cover a multitude of sins ;)
I used to be a flesh first painter. Now my standard procedure is:
1. heavy dry brush of medium brown or predominant color over the entire figure
2. Coat (what ever is covering the chest and arms)
3. pants (whatever is covering the legs)
4. belts, webbing and accoutrements
4a. boots or shoes if they are anything other than brown
5. back packs or bed roll (depending on the figure)
6. cuffs and epaulettes (if the figure has them)
7. rifle, then gun metal
8. flesh
9. hats/helmets
9a. hair
10. details such as rifle strap, other metal works
11. figure base
The flesh comes toward the end as I found that when I did it first I had to go back over the faces and hands anyway.
Other things I would add to your list:
1. Never prep more figures than you can finish in your normal painting cycle. For instance, I normally can paint 40 - 60 figures a week. I've found that if I have more than that primed and ready for painting then I don't have that sense of accomplishment and tend to lose interest in the project.
2. Don't start painting any new figures until all the current batch is painted, based AND flocked. I've based too many painted figures on bare bases with the intent to flock them only to set them aside and never complete the bases.
3. If you want to paint but only have 30 minutes, then paint. You don't need to set aside a block of hours to paint. Otherwise I'd never find time to paint.
1. Make sure you mix batches. Don't try and paint 400 infantry without breaking it up with cavalry and artillery.
2. Make sure you have enough paint. Nothing worse than running out of the main colour you need just when your mojo is firing on all cyllinders.
3. Remember the varnish.
4. Some bugger is going to do it better than you, so pick a style and stick to it.
5. Good lighting.
My mother also suggested a good shag whilst painting, but I never took up pipe smoking.
Hi
3 golden rules:
Accept that you paint at the speed you paint at, and to the best of your abilities. Others will be quicker, better, have more detail, less mess, more subtle shading and generally pee you off with their brush wizadry.Thats life, the more you paint the better you will get.
Keep a black book of what colours and process you use to paint certain armies and specific materials, eg if you come up with a killer process for aged leather, write it down you will use it again and again The book also allows you to quickly add to any army years later.
In most cases the base is bigger than the combined painted area, so spend as much effort on the bases as you do the figures. in 10mm you see the bases on the table way before the figures.
cheers,
Craig
Only 'rule' I really have, is to start with anything metallic....Paint it black or brown and then drybrush the metal colour on.
THAT'S when I find paint goes where you don't want it to !
Cheers - Phil.
Quote from: fsn on 12 February 2014, 07:13:53 AM
My mother also suggested a good shag whilst painting, but I never took up pipe smoking.
Painting Thebans, were you?
(Those who don't read, study, communicate with the literate, or otherwise have any connexion with the world around them are referred to relevant sections of Greek drama and Viennese science.)
Quote from: Shecky on 12 February 2014, 04:48:29 AM
I used to be a flesh first painter. Now my standard procedure is:
1. heavy dry brush of medium brown or predominant color over the entire figure
2. Coat (what ever is covering the chest and arms)
3. pants (whatever is covering the legs)
4. belts, webbing and accoutrements
4a. boots or shoes if they are anything other than brown
5. back packs or bed roll (depending on the figure)
6. cuffs and epaulettes (if the figure has them)
7. rifle, then gun metal
8. flesh
9. hats/helmets
9a. hair
10. details such as rifle strap, other metal works
11. figure base
ou want to paint but only have 30 minutes, then paint. You don't need to set aside a block of hours to paint. Otherwise I'd never find time to paint.
Tried that. Didn't work on my Sherman Firefly.
Definitely agree with the hugs one: my wife makes me jump out of my effing skin :)
Similar to Craig's little black book, I "write" the names of colours I've used on the underside of the bases so I can add to the unit later.
Don't worry too much about rank and file: no-one ever picks em up anyway; spend your time on the commanders, uber units etc.
Stuck for inspiration; paint one mini really, REALLY well. ;)
Ah, yes. Also start with a small but pretty unit to encourage yourself that you will get the job done eventually.
Write down what colour you used !
Always having to go back and compare already painted figures to paint pots lol
Either that or don't try and increase battlegroups 6-12 months down the line.
Regards
Sean
Quote from: get2grips on 12 February 2014, 09:28:16 AM
Definitely agree with the hugs one: my wife makes me jump out of my effing skin :)
As a corollary, always have a "landing platform" available for incoming coffee. Although I have cured the other half of plonking it down in the middle of the cutting mat.
Get up and move around from time to time. Stops parts of the body going to sleep.
And most important of all - if you start feeling tense or irritable
stop and go and do something else.
I agree with Craig. Also if armour is involved, I paint that first, then the other colours.
Quote from: Shecky on 12 February 2014, 04:48:29 AM
2. Don't start painting any new figures until all the current batch is painted, based AND flocked.
May the rest of the wargaming world forgive you for your heretical and blasphemous words
Daub Errata
Paint placidly amid the noise and haste, and make the most of whatever passes for silence.
As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with spouses, parents, pets and children.
Pass on tips quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and the ignorant; they too have their insights.
Avoid power gamers, they are vexations to the spirit.
If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain and bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser painters than yourself.
Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.
Keep interested in your own armies, however humble; they are a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.
Exercise caution on EBay; for it is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strike surprising deals; and everywhere there are bargains.
Be yourself. Everyone else is taken!
Especially, do not feign an interest. Neither be cynical about production schedules; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment sooner or later someone will make a model of it in a scale you want.
Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth; eyesight, steady hands ....
Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many botched paint jobs are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself.
You are a child of Pendraken, no less than Techno, Nik or Fenton ; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the Pendraken figure ranges are unfolding as they should. Therefore be at peace with Leon, whatever you conceive him to be, and whatever your labours and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep pace with your purchases.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world.
Be cheerful.
Strive to paint something.
<Sorry Max>
Quote from: Ithoriel on 12 February 2014, 10:50:46 AM
Daub Errata
Paint placidly amid the noise and haste, and make the most of whatever passes for silence.
As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with spouses, parents, pets and children.
Pass on tips quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and the ignorant; they too have their insights.
Avoid power gamers, they are vexations to the spirit.
If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain and bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser painters than yourself.
Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.
Keep interested in your own armies, however humble; they are a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.
Exercise caution on EBay; for it is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strike surprising deals; and everywhere there are bargains.
Be yourself. Everyone else is taken!
Especially, do not feign an interest. Neither be cynical about production schedules; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment sooner or later someone will make a model of it in a scale you want.
Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth; eyesight, steady hands ....
Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many botched paint jobs are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself.
You are a child of Pendraken, no less than Techno, Nik or Fenton ; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the Pendraken figure ranges are unfolding as they should. Therefore be at peace with Leon, whatever you conceive him to be, and whatever your labours and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep pace with your purchases.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world.
Be cheerful.
Strive to paint something.
<Sorry Max>
=D> =D> =D> =D> =D>
Quote from: Shecky on 12 February 2014, 04:48:29 AM
Don't start painting any new figures until all the current batch is painted, based AND flocked.
Quote from: Fenton on 12 February 2014, 10:44:50 AM
May the rest of the wargaming world forgive you for your heretical and blasphemous words
No one is to throw anything until I blow this whistle; not even and I want to make this absolutely clear, not even if they say flocked..."
<throws rock>
He said flocked!!!
He did?
throws general basing materials
Can a moderator please merge this with the forum bar-fight?
My bad :-[ :-[ :-[
I wish my mum had been honest and told me how unlikely it would be that I would meet a girl who would find wargaming cool and wargamers as sexually desirable objects ;D ;D
Quote from: Shecky on 12 February 2014, 04:48:29 AM
3. If you want to paint but only have 30 minutes, then paint. You don't need to set aside a block of hours to paint. Otherwise I'd never find time to paint.
Thanks Sheky great advice at just the right time for me
Grabbed 30 minutes doing packs & muskets on my current batch before I headed of to work this morning. Great way to start the day :)
Also got me started again on this batch which had stalled a little due to real life stuff. Will hopefully finish the rest of the packs & muskets tonight
Quote from: get2grips on 12 February 2014, 10:53:13 AM
No one is to throw anything until I blow this whistle; not even and I want to make this absolutely clear, not even if they say flocked..."
Reading the forum on the train into work this morning
People looking at me strangely as I ;D ;D ;D after reading this
Quote from: Ithoriel on 12 February 2014, 10:50:46 AM
Daub Errata
Paint placidly amid the noise and haste, and make the most of whatever passes for silence.
As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with spouses, parents, pets and children.
Pass on tips quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and the ignorant; they too have their insights.
Avoid power gamers, they are vexations to the spirit.
If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain and bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser painters than yourself.
Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.
Keep interested in your own armies, however humble; they are a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.
Exercise caution on EBay; for it is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strike surprising deals; and everywhere there are bargains.
Be yourself. Everyone else is taken!
Especially, do not feign an interest. Neither be cynical about production schedules; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment sooner or later someone will make a model of it in a scale you want.
Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth; eyesight, steady hands ....
Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many botched paint jobs are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself.
You are a child of Pendraken, no less than Techno, Nik or Fenton ; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the Pendraken figure ranges are unfolding as they should. Therefore be at peace with Leon, whatever you conceive him to be, and whatever your labours and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep pace with your purchases.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world.
Be cheerful.
Strive to paint something.
<Sorry Max>
Thank you, this has lifted my spirits :) :) :)
I paint flesh last. Mostly because I paint it brown first, then try a wet dry-brush. This is also betterif you paint the spear/musket first, the the hands- you aren't trying to paint between anything.
Quote from: Nosher on 12 February 2014, 11:22:25 AM
I wish my mum had been honest and told me how unlikely it would be that I would meet a girl who would find wargaming cool and wargamers as sexually desirable objects ;D ;D
I did! :D
Quote from: fsn on 12 February 2014, 08:34:02 AM
Tried that. Didn't work on my Sherman Firefly.
You have to open the hatch first in order to paint the crew ;D
Quote from: mad lemmey on 12 February 2014, 11:34:48 PM
I did! :D
Aw! Lemmey! You big softy! That's really nice.
Quote from: Ithoriel on 12 February 2014, 10:50:46 AM
Daub Errata
Paint placidly amid the noise and haste, and make the most of whatever passes for silence.
As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with spouses, parents, pets and children.
Pass on tips quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and the ignorant; they too have their insights.
Avoid power gamers, they are vexations to the spirit.
If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain and bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser painters than yourself.
Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.
Keep interested in your own armies, however humble; they are a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.
Exercise caution on EBay; for it is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strike surprising deals; and everywhere there are bargains.
Be yourself. Everyone else is taken!
Especially, do not feign an interest. Neither be cynical about production schedules; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment sooner or later someone will make a model of it in a scale you want.
Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth; eyesight, steady hands ....
Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many botched paint jobs are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself.
You are a child of Pendraken, no less than Techno, Nik or Fenton ; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the Pendraken figure ranges are unfolding as they should. Therefore be at peace with Leon, whatever you conceive him to be, and whatever your labours and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep pace with your purchases.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world.
Be cheerful.
Strive to paint something.
<Sorry Max>
Excellent, Ithy.
1.Thin your Paint
2.Thin your Paint even more!!!
3.Avoid Metallics whenever you can-use a seperate Brush/Water for Metallics
4.Never ever use a Black Primer for 10mm,not even if you paint Ninjas in Black Dresses
5.Drybrushing has become a no no in 2014 ( :P)
6.Don't use the same Static Grass as for 28mm Scale-Man sized Grass just looks silly :-\
7.Never use Grey for highlighting Black Paint,mix it with Blue,Turquoise or Green,anything but Grey...
8.GW is the Devil
Hi Mom! :D
Quote from: Dr.Falkenhayn on 03 March 2014, 03:58:47 PM
7.Never use Grey for highlighting Black Paint,mix it with Blue,Turquoise or Green,anything but Grey...
Why?
I cannot understand the allure of painting flesh first, is it Freudian or what? Brings a figure to life? My ar*e it does. Do a good face and the chances of getting paint on it afterwards increase by a Pratchettian(?) amount. By that I mean that a million to one chance will usually happen every nine times out of ten.
From 10mm upwards I try to work on the largest areas first on my figures and then smaller bits in descending order. Painting 101 as far as I am concerned.
White undercoat
All White Metal
Pledge black wash
Jackets/Tunics etc
Trousers
Shield front if carried
Belts/webbing etc
Flesh
Weapon woodwork
Shoes or boots
Yellow Metal
Pledge dark brown wash
Any and all highlighting
Base colour
Enamel matt varnish.
It's in the net.
I spray paint all black matt,
then, dry brush metallics
main uniform and cuffs
belts,straps
weapons
face
hair
hats
final detail on say tricorn
final detail on riffles
black line belts
then varnish
I only tend to dry brush 10mm figs...