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Wider Wargaming => Genre/Period Discussion => Ancients to Renaissance (3000BC - 1680) => Topic started by: Last Hussar on 03 January 2014, 04:29:53 PM

Title: What mix of armoured/unarmoured pikes for ECW?
Post by: Last Hussar on 03 January 2014, 04:29:53 PM
Clue's in the title.  Intend to get back to completing ECW armies, primarily for Regiment of Foote I think.  My armies are going to be generic, so I can make up what ever I need for the game.  Units are 4 bases of musket (10-12 figures/base) and 2 pike (16 figs, inc command on one base) (30mm square bases).

What sort of mix should I do between the armoured and unarmoured units (though I will swap a couple of figs, so not all in a armoured base will be armoured, and there will be a armoured guy or 2 in a 'cloth' unit)?
Title: Re: What mix of armoured/unarmoured pikes for ECW?
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 03 January 2014, 05:07:41 PM
From what I know (which is not much), it depends on the unit.
Most pike units were either unarmoured or armoured in the front couple of ranks. There were some fully armoured units, but they were rare. A lot depended on the colonel of the regiment and/or length of time the unit had been in the field.
Title: Re: What mix of armoured/unarmoured pikes for ECW?
Post by: Hertsblue on 04 January 2014, 10:22:56 AM
I'd go along with Lemmey. Also, as the war progressed, most pikemen ditched their armour as being too cumbersome - only retaining the helmet perhaps. Bear in mind, armour was expensive and only the very wealthy colonels could afford to buy much of it.
Title: Re: What mix of armoured/unarmoured pikes for ECW?
Post by: Glorfindel on 04 January 2014, 10:53:03 AM
LH,

I've just started an ECW Royalist army and opted for armoured pikes in the front rank with the
remainder being unarmoured.   Similarly, for the musket blocks, firing figures in the front rank
and 'loading' for the rest.

This pic should help visualise :

(http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx254/glorfindel-666/10mm%20English%20Civil%20War/IMG_2537_zps0f837388.jpg) (http://s761.photobucket.com/user/glorfindel-666/media/10mm%20English%20Civil%20War/IMG_2537_zps0f837388.jpg.html)

Cheers,


Phil
Title: Re: What mix of armoured/unarmoured pikes for ECW?
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 04 January 2014, 12:40:14 PM
Those are really impressive!
Title: Re: What mix of armoured/unarmoured pikes for ECW?
Post by: Glorfindel on 04 January 2014, 01:20:39 PM
ML,

Many thanks !   I haven't painted any Pendraken before so was completely blown away by the
quality of the sculpts.   This only becomes clear when you start to paint the detail.   Amazing
figures.

Second Regiment nearly completed (Lord Ralph Hopton's).   Pics to follow.

More pics here :

http://s761.photobucket.com/user/glorfindel-666/library/#/user/glorfindel-666/library/10mm%20English%20Civil%20War?sort=3&page=1&_suid=1388841554652006410263493226326



LH,

Best wishes with the ECW figures.

Cheers,

Phil
Title: Re: What mix of armoured/unarmoured pikes for ECW?
Post by: Fenton on 04 January 2014, 01:31:11 PM
Nice Early War figure you have there...keep up he good work
Title: Re: What mix of armoured/unarmoured pikes for ECW?
Post by: Last Hussar on 04 January 2014, 11:30:43 PM
Thanks for the replies - You may now derail the thread.
Title: Re: What mix of armoured/unarmoured pikes for ECW?
Post by: Bernie on 05 January 2014, 11:43:04 AM
Probably bit more armour earlier in the war as armouries were raided and trained bands stripped of kit for the newly raised units.

Wear and tear and cost of full harness meant by middle late hardly any armour at all for either side, especially as ratio of shot raised and the importance of push of pike less a feature
Title: Re: What mix of armoured/unarmoured pikes for ECW?
Post by: Glorfindel on 07 January 2014, 10:15:15 PM
>>You may now derail the thread.

I'd just like to apologise if you think there was any attempt to do this - my aim was
just to show you what the blocks of figures could look like in a certain configuration.   
Just trying to help.

Please post a few pics of the results when you have decided on your mix of armoured /
unarmoured.   I'd be interested to see other ECW figures.

Best wishes,

Phil
Title: Re: What mix of armoured/unarmoured pikes for ECW?
Post by: Last Hussar on 07 January 2014, 10:35:29 PM
Not at all Glorfindal, wasn't aimed at you - I was just accepting that we had remained remarkably 'on-topic' without any bad jokes or good totty!
Title: Re: What mix of armoured/unarmoured pikes for ECW?
Post by: GordonY on 08 January 2014, 12:15:03 AM
Totty with pikes, the imagination boggles.
Title: Re: What mix of armoured/unarmoured pikes for ECW?
Post by: Glorfindel on 08 January 2014, 05:46:49 PM
>>Totty with pikes, the imagination boggles.


Commonly known as ladyboys methinks...
Title: Re: What mix of armoured/unarmoured pikes for ECW?
Post by: Fenton on 08 January 2014, 05:51:00 PM
Quote from: Glorfindel on 08 January 2014, 05:46:49 PM
>>Totty with pikes, the imagination boggles.


Commonly known as ladyboys methinks...

How much damage can you do with a fish?
Title: Re: What mix of armoured/unarmoured pikes for ECW?
Post by: Last Hussar on 08 January 2014, 06:11:53 PM
Quite a bit

Title: Re: What mix of armoured/unarmoured pikes for ECW?
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 08 January 2014, 06:16:01 PM
And now we are off topic!

Is it time for the fish jokes again?
Title: Re: What mix of armoured/unarmoured pikes for ECW?
Post by: fsn on 08 January 2014, 06:20:58 PM
(http://comicsastonish.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/tec-475.jpg)

Joker Fish?

I'm the sole provider of fish jokes round here.  


EDIT: Pic resized.
Title: Re: What mix of armoured/unarmoured pikes for ECW?
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 08 January 2014, 06:26:51 PM
Two fish in a tank, first one looks at the other and says " How do you drive this thing?"

Second one says " Blimey, a talking fish!"
Title: Re: What mix of armoured/unarmoured pikes for ECW?
Post by: Leon on 08 January 2014, 06:27:16 PM
Quote from: fsn on 08 January 2014, 06:20:58 PM
Joker Fish?

I'm the sole provider of fish jokes round here.  

Woah, this scampi happening, you can't run around just throwing Batman images around for the halibut...  Learn your plaice Mr FSN, and scale back the punnage...
Title: Re: What mix of armoured/unarmoured pikes for ECW?
Post by: fsn on 08 January 2014, 06:28:47 PM
Two parrots sitting on a perch, and one says "can you smell fish?"
Title: Re: What mix of armoured/unarmoured pikes for ECW?
Post by: Techno on 08 January 2014, 07:54:40 PM
Classic !!..(The Python clip)...I'll swear you can see Mr Cleese trying very hard not to smirk during that sketch.
Cheers - Phil.
Title: Re: What mix of armoured/unarmoured pikes for ECW?
Post by: Hertsblue on 09 January 2014, 09:48:20 AM
That clip always cracks me up, every time I see it.  =O =O =O =O =O
Title: Re: What mix of armoured/unarmoured pikes for ECW?
Post by: Orcs on 09 January 2014, 10:26:29 AM
Quote from: Glorfindel on 08 January 2014, 05:46:49 PM
>>Totty with pikes, the imagination boggles.


No You let the Totty play with your "Pike"
Title: Re: What mix of armoured/unarmoured pikes for ECW?
Post by: Last Hussar on 13 January 2014, 09:01:40 PM
Stupid boy...