First off thanks to all of the people who have welcomed me so far to this forum! 8)
Secondly, I understand that this is a little off topic, but have you, our dear friends at pendraken, ever considered venturing into the balkan conflicts? I understand that in the ww1 section of this page a fari number of nations that participated in the Balkan wars are iether represented, or can be represented through other exsisiting nations (painting russian soldiers green makes pretty convincing bulgarians)
It would just be fun to see some releases from this period!
You are so right. If you know what the figures in a range look like it is fairly straightforward to put together Balkan Wars stuff. Some Greeks in ballet tutus (or whatever those things are) would be an interesting addition. And if you are using a Bulgarian army be careful; they won't fight in the wrong hats you know.
Strangely I've been thinking of this as well. I'm currently painting up Serbs and Austrians for early WW1, which has prompted me to consider other options. Bulgarians could fight in 1915 as well as the First and Second Balkan Wars.
Greeks in traditional dress would be useful both as Evzone and irregulars. You need troops in kepis for the regular line units, early WW1 French?
I suppose you could use WW1 Turks for 1912/13, but most units should be in fez's for the Balkan Wars. As for irregulars, there may be something in the Renaissance range that might do.
Not sure what to use for Montenegro?
Hello!
The Montenegro forces had a fairly plain drop collar uniform with what could be classed as a cut down fez. I was looking at the Osprey men at arms book I have on armies in the Balkans 1914-1918 this morning.
I will scan the colour plates and send them on to whoever wants them. Don't want to just whack them up here as I think there is a bit of a copywrite issue in putting stuff like that up isn't there?
cheers,
A.
For Turks have a look at the Egyptians in the Sudan range.
Interesting period, I've been looking at the naval side as a possible project...
What rules would you use for the land battles?
Any good references on the web for the various wars around the Balkans 1900-1913?
Regards,
Paul
I would use Square Bashing. C19th Century Principles of War also covers this period (despite its name it contains rules for early tanks and planes as well as lists for the Balkan Wars participants). SB does a separate book of army lists with all the Balkan Wars participants. A friend of mine is doing this in 28mm.
I was going smaller scale at company level, probably with TFL's Through the Mud and the Blood.
There seems to be a reasonable introduction on the Tiger Miniatures website http://www.tigerminiatures.co.uk/page7.htm
For regular army Greeks, who wear a kepi, does anyone think there's anything in the 19th century range that might do. Danes in tunics or Wurttemburgers perhaps?
What about Belgians in kepi (WWI)? If they are in the Yser uniform they will be wearing a tunic presumably, but as yet I've not seen this Pendraken figure.
Wow! Looks like a popular topic!
one of the questions: What rules would you use for the land battles?
I would use 'Great war spearhead' as that is what got me thinking. I'm already building up german and Russian forces to use with the great war spearhead rules (which with a little switiching around and rule modifying can be also used for great war crossfire - if that is a thing yet? I'm sure it is!) But I got my hands on the osprey book about conflicts in the balkans 1914-18 (I think it was mentioned earlier) and found it quite interesting.
Perhaps we could put together some army lists, taking what can be used from exsisting pendraken ranges and then just request wahtevers missing?
Sounds like a good idea as it would help to firm up requests for specific missing figures, eg those Greek guards, whose name still eludes me.
haha, right. ok. Where do we start?
First off, Nations that participated?
As far as I can think, this is what I remember:
Bulgaria
Greece
Turkey
Rumania
Serbia
Austria-Hungary
Italy
I'm sure I'm missing some
Has anybody worked on this project recently? I, too, am interested in what Pendraken figures to use plus what rules to use, also.
John
As that was your first post, John.
Welcome to the forum ! (Even though you appear to have been here, longer than most of us. ;) ;D))
Cheers - Phil
Welcome John
Quote from: Nouseforausername on 19 January 2014, 04:49:07 PM
haha, right. ok. Where do we start?
First off, Nations that participated?
As far as I can think, this is what I remember:
Bulgaria
Greece
Turkey
Rumania
Serbia
Austria-Hungary
Italy
I'm sure I'm missing some
Bulgaria - 1st and 2nd Balkan War
Greece - 1st and 2nd Balkan War
Turkey - 1st Balkan War
Rumania - 2nd Balkan War
Serbia - 1st and 2nd Balkan War
Montenegro - 1st Balkan War
Austria Hungary 3rd Balkan War ;) (More commonly called the First World War :))
Italy not involved
The First Balkan War involved Bulgaria, Serbia, Greece and Montenegro attacking the Turks in the Balkans and Aegean to carve up their territory. Although they had agreed on the territory split, Bulgaria paid the heaviest price and decided to keep what it had taken even if this was more than the original agreement.
The Second Balkan War involved Serbia and Greece attacking Bulgaria to try and take Bulgarian gains from the First Balkan War. Bulgaria taken by surprise managed eventually to halt the onslaught and just as they were counter-attacking was stabbed in the back by Rumania attacking from the East.
Austria Hungary throughout was on the verge of joining because they felt Serbia was making far too many gains. She was constantly restrained by Russia.
This is a period I would love to do. It is WW1 1914 with less sophistication.
An excellent book detailing not only the war but the make up of the armies is: http://www.amazon.com/The-Balkan-Wars-1912-1913-Prelude/dp/0415229472 (http://www.amazon.com/The-Balkan-Wars-1912-1913-Prelude/dp/0415229472)
It is also available free: http://www.e-reading.club/bookreader.php/136095/Balkan_Wars_1912-1913._Prelude_to_the_First_World_War.pdf (http://www.e-reading.club/bookreader.php/136095/Balkan_Wars_1912-1913._Prelude_to_the_First_World_War.pdf)
Cheers, Rob :) :)
Thanks for the info, especially the e-book :) What Pendraken figures do you use for the Balkan Wars?? What rules are you using??
Thanks in advance,
John
At one point I painted some WWI Russians as Bulgarians. Serbs would be from the WWI line and Turks from colonial range stuff with fez? I was thinking of using paper terrain 10mm Italian villages for Balkan terrain. The project eventually died because I lost interest. I will be going to Bosnia and Croatia in a week so who knows maybe my interest will come back.
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Quote from: Rob on 24 May 2015, 09:04:29 AM
Italy not involved
Not in an official capacity, but about a thousand volunteers served in the Italian Legion led by Garabaldi's son. Admittedly they wore regularGreek uniforms (dyed red in honour of their Garabaldini heritage).