Hi lads & ladies,
I've just received my first pack of ECW figures. They are simply superb - so inviting to paint !
Anyway, here is a sample of the 32 figures painted so far :
(http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx254/glorfindel-666/10mm%20English%20Civil%20War/IMG_2526_zpse13c7131.jpg) (http://s761.photobucket.com/user/glorfindel-666/media/10mm%20English%20Civil%20War/IMG_2526_zpse13c7131.jpg.html)
I've decided to build a Royalist army with each battalia having 60 figures, all loaded onto one base.
The idea is to take my time with the painting to try and do the figures justice and then make the base
big enough to include a few scenic touches (musketeers behind a wall just like the 'Naseby' scene in
'Cromwell').
Cheers,
Phil
(EDIT: Pic resized)
Excellent work,
kev
Very nice painting, great stuff.
And really nice figures too, might be making a way into my Empire-esque army
Very nice work sir! 8)
Top class, that man ! 8)
Cheers - Phil.
Very nice!
8)
They look great :)
Lovely figures mate. But are you sure that's the first English Civil War? ;)
Thanks chaps !
>>But are you sure that's the first English Civil War?
Too uniform ? I'd be interested to hear what you think about this. I've read different
views ranging from 'men in rags' to 'fully uniformed bodies'. Haythornewaite (The
English Civil War Illustrated) and Osprey seem to come down on the latter side of the
argument.
I'm trying to add some variety to the line troops but keeping a sense of a Regimental
colour (green in this case if you hadn't guessed !!).
I suppose at the end of the day, its a balance between your reading of history and the
fact that you want the Regiments to have a sense of identity on the table.
Of course, you might be on about something completely different ! :D
Cheers,
Phil
Think the question was one of chronology?
Possibly the War of Steven & Matilda may count as the first civil war, if not the Baron's War of King John?
Define 'civil' war when the ECW cost us 10% of the population? ;)
I think the OP means these are his first attempt at ECW...
Very nece indeed
take care
andy
Just ignore them all, Phil, and carry on exactly as you were. We can none of us resist a little pedantry from time to time. Your figures are beautifully painted and the troops would have been fairly uniformly dressed within the regiment. Let's face it, the colonel probably got a job-lot of cloth when the unit was formed.
Exactly what Hertsblue said...
Although it might tempt me into an Early Norman or Angevan Civil War now. Especially if I win that £100! :D
Obvious now ! :-[
Note to self - make sure you have finished the title before posting...
...should have 'figures' on the end. What a muppet. :)
Anyway, I do very much appreciate the posts - thank you.
A decent Christmas holiday coming up which will hopefully mean these chaps should be finished.
Cheers,
Phil
Very much look forwards to seeing them complete, based on what you've done do far, they will be outstanding. :D
Oh Burglar! Burglar! Burglar!
I now really want to do Matilda vs Steven. :(
Quote from: fsn on 19 December 2013, 05:02:38 PM
Oh Burglar! Burglar! Burglar!
I now really want to do Matilda vs Steven. :(
or Stephen
Maybe ....
#-o
Quote from: fsn on 19 December 2013, 05:02:38 PM
I now really want to do Matilda vs Steven. :(
Two falls, two submissions or one knock-out to decide the winner. :D
Hi chaps,
The first Regiment is finished ! In the end, I opted to raise a Royalist army, starting with the Earl of Northampton's Regiment.
It was only after I had finished the musketeers that i saw some pics of this Regiment with reddish trousers. Mutter, mutter.
Anyway a few pics for your amusement :
(http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx254/glorfindel-666/10mm%20English%20Civil%20War/IMG_2533_zps89d4a82c.jpg) (http://s761.photobucket.com/user/glorfindel-666/media/10mm%20English%20Civil%20War/IMG_2533_zps89d4a82c.jpg.html)
(http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx254/glorfindel-666/10mm%20English%20Civil%20War/IMG_2538_zps5d294b69.jpg) (http://s761.photobucket.com/user/glorfindel-666/media/10mm%20English%20Civil%20War/IMG_2538_zps5d294b69.jpg.html)
Some other pics here :
http://s761.photobucket.com/user/glorfindel-666/library/#/user/glorfindel-666/library/10mm%20English%20Civil%20War?sort=3&page=0&_suid=1388071195870008731322363598476 (http://s761.photobucket.com/user/glorfindel-666/library/#/user/glorfindel-666/library/10mm%20English%20Civil%20War?sort=3&page=0&_suid=1388071195870008731322363598476)
The houses were scratchbuilt from card (with thinner card added to make the beams). Looks OK but does
take a while (you really have to be in the mood !). At this scale, the card has a wonderful rough texture
which looks decent up close. You can see this here with some Warmaster figures :
(http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx254/glorfindel-666/Warmaster%20Empire/IMG_0114.jpg) (http://s761.photobucket.com/user/glorfindel-666/media/Warmaster%20Empire/IMG_0114.jpg.html)
Anyway, hope you are all having a great Christmas !
Cheers,
Phil
VERY impressive Phil ! :-bd
Cheers - Phil
Supern work, really like those and great buildings too! 8)
Excellent figures :-bd :-bd
Love the buildings too.
Really nice work, both figures and buildings 8).
Totally agree with previous comments great figures and buildings
taks care
andy
Nice!!
Quote from: Hertsblue on 19 December 2013, 01:19:41 PM
Just ignore them all, Phil, and carry on exactly as you were. We can none of us resist a little pedantry from time to time.
:D
Indeed. Pedantry in jest, mischief, and good humour.
>:<
Superbly done Phil - both figures & buildings 8)
Be good if the trousers were the right colour :d
Excellent stuff.
IanS :D
>>Be good if the trousers were the right colour
Yes, I know. (mutter mutter) I'd already finished the musketeers when I saw a pic of the
Regiment with reddish trousers. Clearly, I am representing the Regiment in their less fashion
conscious 'wilderness years' (or on the way to Ye Olde Primark for trouser fittings... :D )
Cheers,
Phil
Good thing about ECW is you can nearly paint them however you want with a 99% chance that you are right
Quote from: Glorfindel on 05 January 2014, 05:04:19 PM
>>Be good if the trousers were the right colour
Yes, I know. (mutter mutter) I'd already finished the musketeers when I saw a pic of the
Regiment with reddish trousers. Clearly, I am representing the Regiment in their less fashion
conscious 'wilderness years' (or on the way to Ye Olde Primark for trouser fittings... :D )
Cheers,
Phil
Don't worry about it - they probably stole them off the last enemy unit they scragged. :D
Found this today looks interesting
http://bcw-project.org/
That site is amazing.
Can we have it in the resources section too?
Hi chaps,
I have just finished my second Regiment (Lord Ralph Hopton's). Just hope these have no fashion faux pas issues !! :)
Great figures to paint - I find that adding a second highlight really makes the colours pop.
I copied the flags from the 'Wargames Designs' website which has some cracking stuff :
http://www.wargamesdesigns.com/freebies---ecw.html (http://www.wargamesdesigns.com/freebies---ecw.html)
(http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx254/glorfindel-666/10mm%20English%20Civil%20War/IMG_2541_zps93b9c4d0.jpg)
[URL=http://s761.photobucket.com/user/glorfindel-666/media/10mm%20English%20Civil%20War/IMG_2542_zps15dbe362.jpg.html](http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx254/glorfindel-666/10mm%20English%20Civil%20War/IMG_2542_zps15dbe362.jpg)
Cheers,
Phil
(http://s761.photobucket.com/user/glorfindel-666/media/10mm%20English%20Civil%20War/IMG_2541_zps93b9c4d0.jpg.html)
Really nice looking again
Really good look to that unit! Nice one! 8)
really very good 8)
liking the progress on this, you're definitely tempting me into ECW
8) 8)
Cheers - Phil
Thanks chaps.
I've never painted ECW figures before so this is a bit of a departure. Still has
the appeal of something new and shiny.
After painting the two Regiments up (which were pretty much an impulse buy),
I have decided I need a plan ! My intention now is to raise two brigades of foot
with supporting guns and horse. Each brigade of foot will be based on one of the
completed Regiments supported by two slightly smaller Regiments.
The larger Regiments comprise four bases (2 x pike, 2 x musket). The smaller
Regiments will drop one of the pike bases to give a 2:1 ratio of muskets to pike.
Although generalising about the ECW appears difficult, my understanding is that the
Royalists had a harder time arming their Regiments with the musket and had to rely
more on the pike. As such, I thought I would try to reflect this in some small way
with the larger Regiments based on a 1:1 ratio.
Cavalry and artillery are still off in the future somewhere and I will need to do some
research before deciding numbers / organisation.
Anyway, thats the plan.
Cheers,
Phil
Beautiful work Phil, looking forward to seeing more of these,
kev
Very nice Phil :)
Great work Phil 8).
Hi Phil,
Hopton's bluecoats (or should that be "blewcotes"?) are looking good. Were you aware that Hopton's were a Cornish regiment (although Hopton himself was a Devon man) and that the Cornish were always reluctant to leave the Westcountry? I think they got as far as Bath and Devizes but not much further. Might be a factor in deciding what army to model?
Ray
Thank you for the kind words chaps.
>>the Cornish were always reluctant to leave the Westcountry? I think they got as far as Bath and Devizes but not much further. Might be a factor in deciding what army to model?
Very interesting - thank you.
I must admit that I am just picking Regiments that (a) I like the look of (b) that I can nick the flags for from the 'Wargames Designs' website
and (c) that I have some coat colour information.
So, for example, I am likely to paint the Marquis of Newcastle's Whitecoats next, followed by the Lifeguard.
Cherry-picking at its worst !
For a previous project (Great Northern War in 6mm), I took a completely opposite angle - working from
a particular Order of Battle (Holowczyn). This was a great help, particularly when you have a limited
understanding of the period. If you are interested, a few pics here :
http://s761.photobucket.com/user/glorfindel-666/library/#/user/glorfindel-666/library/Great%20Northern%20War?sort=2&page=0&_suid=138938025859306998811964726037
I had thought to try something similar but the very limited uniform information lead me down
the above path. From the information I have read, it does seem that there is limited hard
evidence which doesn't sit well with today's 'need to know'. Very frustrating.
Your email has prompted a nagging guilt, but, at the moment I only plan to paint 6-8 Regiments of foot. As
such, I need to maintain momentum / interest and will probably continue to cherry-pick. Sorry !
To balance things up, however, I do like the idea of some really rag-tag Regiments which, I imagine, can be
used as part of any army. Perhaps, by just using Pendraken's peasant figures (or, at least) including them
in the rear ranks !
Thank you for your help.
Phil
QuoteI must admit that I am just picking Regiments that (a) I like the look of (b) that I can nick the flags for from the 'Wargames Designs' website
and (c) that I have some coat colour information.
To be honest that's what I tend to do for Black Powder period. I'm not a purist for this period but want units that look colourful on the table and hopefully have great units names etc. To me it adds to my personal gaming experience :). To others I'm sure it would/will cause palpatations and fainting fits requiring the immediate administering of the smelling salts :o ;).
I'd say in 10mm 8 regiments of foot would be rather a lot (assuming they're not one a 1: 500 figure to man scale). I use seven tercios a side for ECW, with appropriste proportions of the rest, and haven't found that games were over too soon.
Mightily impressed with your GNW 6 mils, Phil. I notice that the infantry units are are set right back on their bases. Is this so that they maintain correct distances between units, or is it to give a minimum range for combat?
Hertsblue,
Many thanks for the kind words. I spent a lot of time painting the GNW figures up and it is always
nice to have that appreciated by another wargamer (who has an idea how long this takes !)
I wish I could say that the positioning related to either of the points you mention. To some extent,
it is purely aesthetic but, there is also a suggestion that it reflects the ground 'controlled' by the
Battalion. When two battalions face each other during a firefight, I think that the basing gives a good
impression.
The 60 x 30mm bases are fairly standard for Baccus figures so, as a novice, I just went with
the flow. I certainly prefer this look to very thin bases that purely allow space for the figures.
My first 6mm figures were Baccus ACW and, for these, I tried a couple of ways of basing them. After
a time, I adopted the approach you see here. It is easy to position the stands on a base and helps to
maintain a regular appearance when Brigades are in line.
Phil
Thanks for that, Phil. It's an interesting concept and one I feel tempted to imitate.
Ray
Hi chaps,
I present the Marquis of Newcastle's Regiment of Foot (The Whitecoats) for your amusement :
(http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx254/glorfindel-666/10mm%20English%20Civil%20War/IMG_2571_zpsd0206259.jpg) (http://s761.photobucket.com/user/glorfindel-666/media/10mm%20English%20Civil%20War/IMG_2571_zpsd0206259.jpg.html)
(http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx254/glorfindel-666/10mm%20English%20Civil%20War/IMG_2570_zpsaffa180d.jpg) (http://s761.photobucket.com/user/glorfindel-666/media/10mm%20English%20Civil%20War/IMG_2570_zpsaffa180d.jpg.html)
More pics on the Photobucket account :
http://s761.photobucket.com/user/glorfindel-666/library/10mm%20English%20Civil%20War?sort=3&page=1#/user/glorfindel-666/library/10mm%20English%20Civil%20War?sort=3&page=1&_suid=139050448357205323766557509446 (http://s761.photobucket.com/user/glorfindel-666/library/10mm%20English%20Civil%20War?sort=3&page=1#/user/glorfindel-666/library/10mm%20English%20Civil%20War?sort=3&page=1&_suid=139050448357205323766557509446)
Cheers,
Phil
I don't find then amusing at all, these are seriously good!
Sorry, bad pun, had to be tried! Great great work. 8)
Great work once again 8). I like the fact that the white is not too white, much more a bleached linen look from the photos.
Great painting! I am interested to see you spread your ensigns between the musketeers and pikes. Relying on all those contemporary woodcuts, I have always concentrated them all with the pikes, anyone know what the most common practice was?
Mollinary
Quote from: Glorfindel on 19 December 2013, 07:56:29 AM
Thanks chaps !
>>But are you sure that's the first English Civil War?
Too uniform ? I'd be interested to hear what you think about this. I've read different
views ranging from 'men in rags' to 'fully uniformed bodies'. Haythornewaite (The
English Civil War Illustrated) and Osprey seem to come down on the latter side of the
argument.
I'm trying to add some variety to the line troops but keeping a sense of a Regimental
colour (green in this case if you hadn't guessed !!).
I suppose at the end of the day, its a balance between your reading of history and the
fact that you want the Regiments to have a sense of identity on the table.
Of course, you might be on about something completely different ! :D
Cheers,
Phil
They certainly are lovely little chaps.
Without checking sources, I'm sure that Peter Young's books on Edgehill and Naseby have copies of orders for cloth to make only
doublets meaning that the soldiers would wear their own britches. Where it gets a bit confusing is if a regiment had a reissue of cloth and it was a different colour to the previous issue.
Look terrific to me !! :-bd
Cheers - Phil
Thank you for the kind comments. Much appreciated !
I've tried to maintain a consistent colour for the shirts while adding lots of variety for the
trousies and caps. I thought the white shirts would soon become filthy so have only
added tiny touches of white over a light brown base / cream highlight.
Inrteresting to hear about the spread of ensigns. I must admit that I'm not an expert
on the ECW (a recent interest) so all information is good. I'll see what it looks like
when I come to paint up the next Regiment (King's Lifeguard). I think it might actually
look quite effective.
Thanks again. Onwards and upwards !
Phil
Nicely done 8)
Looks great to me
take care
andy
Quote from: mollinary on 23 January 2014, 08:23:05 PM
Great painting! I am interested to see you spread your ensigns between the musketeers and pikes. Relying on all those contemporary woodcuts, I have always concentrated them all with the pikes, anyone know what the most common practice was?
Mollinary
I would go along with you, Mollinary. The pikes were normally the biggest, strongest men in the regiment and also stood in close formation and so would make a better colour-guard than the shot. However, as I understand it, the pikes could be allocated in contingents to each company and each company carried its own colour, so the flags would tend to be spread along the line. I don't think you can square the circle without building huge units. I think you pays your money....
Excellent figures none-the-less, Phil.
I think companies were recruited as a mix of pike and shot, but tended to be deployed with a central block of pike and two sleeves/wings of shot on the battlefield.
As far as I am aware the ensigns tended to be in the centre of the unit, that is with the pike
Is the density a pure 'number of figures thing'? My pike are much closer - as tight as I can get them
Wow those are great, top job, that man :)
Jason.
Hi chaps,
Although I haven't updated this thread in a while, I have continued painting my ECW figures
and am now the very proud owner of 5 x Infantry Regiments and 2 guns. Yippee ! The final
inf Regiment has just been started (Francis Gamul's) with cav to follow.
I'm now waiting for someone to tell me that Gamul's Foot doesn't qualify as a 'proper' Infantry
Regiment (I've read that he raised a 'trained band'). Still, after all of the red & blue I've painted
recently, yellow will be a nice change.
Anyway, I've also been working on some snowy terrain so here are a couple of pics to prove there
is still 10mm life in this part of Wolverhampton !
(http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx254/glorfindel-666/10mm%20English%20Civil%20War/IMG_2580_zps059c30a1.jpg) (http://s761.photobucket.com/user/glorfindel-666/media/10mm%20English%20Civil%20War/IMG_2580_zps059c30a1.jpg.html)
This shows a couple of Royalist guns hiding behind gabions and supported by Prince Rupert's
Regiment of Foot.
The next shot is my 10mm village (created for Warmaster) liberally dusted in GW snow.
My sincere hope is that I can tip it all off when our game is finished...
(http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx254/glorfindel-666/10mm%20English%20Civil%20War/IMG_2582_zps61048492.jpg) (http://s761.photobucket.com/user/glorfindel-666/media/10mm%20English%20Civil%20War/IMG_2582_zps61048492.jpg.html)
Hope you enjoy the shots.
Cheers,
Phil
Very nice sir, great terrain too.
Very nice...Love the artillery bases
Fenton / ML,
Thank you. To try and make the bases look reasonable, I added thin, irregular card 'planking'
under each gun. The sand was then added around this (which gives the planking apparent
depth). I think that the Pendraken gabions and other associated artillery tat also help to bring
the bases to life. Took a while but I'm pleased with the results.
Cheers,
Phil
T'riffic ! 8)
Cheers - Phil
Brilliant figures, Phil, and terrific terrain. I love the village. :-bd :-bd :-bd
Yeah like the others have said and your village is fantastic
Take care
Andy
Do the Gambions come with the guns?
cracking stuff as ever Phil.
As with the others, really likely the snowscape.
The Gambions were an unsuccessful minor Star Trek species, weren't they? Or are they a minor West African nation?
I think they're a kind of shrimp that came too close to electrical equipment.
Men, there will be a gambion inspection this afternoon at 2:00. I know you won't let us down. Carry on, sergeant.
Or whatever they are called
That Michael Gambion was very good as Doubledare in Hairy Patter.
Thanks chaps,
>> Do the Ga(m)bions come with the guns?
No, you have to get them separately (10 per pack). Well worth it though (together
with the other pack containing artillery tat).
Cheers,
Phil
Boy they do look beautiful! :)
So what rules have you decided on for your ECW gaming pleasure? If you don't have a set yet, I recently stumbled on Victory without Quarter by Clarence Henderson. They impressed me quite a bit and they are free.
If interested, you can download a copy here:
http://gcooksonblog.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/victory-without-quarter-rules.pdf
You are very kind, thank you. :-[
I must admit that I have been painting the figures up as a slow project just for the
pleasure of painting with a vague idea of perhaps using the '1644' ruleset. Thank you
very much for the rules recommendation - I'll download a set and have a read through.
This all started after watching 'Cromwell' and then having the idea of using large bases
to create scenic effects (with musketeers sheltering behind walls as in the film) etc etc.
Soon gave up on that (would have taken too long) but was surprised how much I enjoyed
painting the figures and just carried on. The artillery bases took a good while to model
and paint but I'm really pleased with the results (particularly with the addition of the
'planking' which was inspired by pics of artillery positions in the Beneath the Lilly Banners
rulebook).
I'm currently working on the final infantry regiment and then its on to the cavalry...
Thanks again,
Phil