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Wider Wargaming => Painting & Modelling => Topic started by: petercooman on 08 December 2013, 12:26:43 AM

Title: test model for my paras, opinioins please!
Post by: petercooman on 08 December 2013, 12:26:43 AM
HEy guys,

I have just started work on my british airborne, but having never before painted camo fatigues on 10mm, i decided to make a test miniature.

Do you guys think this looks good enough for ww2 paras? the skin still needs a wash and the webbing a drybrush but you get the idea.

(http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/ff441/petercooman123/DSC02942_zps5da9a333.jpg) (http://s1236.photobucket.com/user/petercooman123/media/DSC02942_zps5da9a333.jpg.html)
(http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/ff441/petercooman123/DSC02943_zps29f2b3c6.jpg) (http://s1236.photobucket.com/user/petercooman123/media/DSC02943_zps29f2b3c6.jpg.html)

I rather have some opinions before i do this entire lot  :D :D
(http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/ff441/petercooman123/DSC02944_zps9a381180.jpg) (http://s1236.photobucket.com/user/petercooman123/media/DSC02944_zps9a381180.jpg.html)

Cheers

Title: Re: test model for my paras, opinioins please!
Post by: Techno on 08 December 2013, 08:07:26 AM
Definitely don't regard myself as an expert on different types of 'camo' Peter......But that looks pretty damn good to these old eyes.
Cheers - Phil.
Title: Re: test model for my paras, opinioins please!
Post by: fred. on 08 December 2013, 08:35:35 AM
The size and colour of the green and brown blobs on the Denison smock look good.

But, ( there had to be a but didn't there) the base colour for the smock is a sandy yellow  rather than the mid-brown of the British battle dress.

Also the helmets were green rather than brown   
Title: Re: test model for my paras, opinioins please!
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 08 December 2013, 08:58:58 AM
I agree with Fred.
Great job
Title: Re: test model for my paras, opinioins please!
Post by: fsn on 08 December 2013, 09:07:41 AM
Wot Fred said, and Lemmy's rarely wrong.

However, it is an inspiration to someone who has a company of them to paint. It's lovely brushwork. 
Title: Re: test model for my paras, opinioins please!
Post by: NTM on 08 December 2013, 09:17:16 AM
Although Fred is correct the way you have painted this figure works for me. There is a danger that if you go for the correct base colour that the webbing could get lost. Compromises like this sometimes have to be made.
Title: Re: test model for my paras, opinioins please!
Post by: petercooman on 08 December 2013, 10:06:29 AM
Quote from: fred    12df on 08 December 2013, 08:35:35 AM
The size and colour of the green and brown blobs on the Denison smock look good.

But, ( there had to be a but didn't there) the base colour for the smock is a sandy yellow  rather than the mid-brown of the British battle dress.

Also the helmets were green rather than brown   


So lets brainstorm. I made the basecoulour for the uniform by applying graveyard earth followed by a devlan mud wash and then drybrushed earth again. Would it help washing with gryphonne sephia instead? giving it a yellowish tone?

The helmets will definately look greener, as i will drybrush them with camo green for the webbing.

Quote from: fsn on 08 December 2013, 09:07:41 AM

However, it is an inspiration to someone who has a company of them to paint. It's lovely brushwork. 

Thanks! just get cracking  8)

Quote from: NTM on 08 December 2013, 09:17:16 AM
Although Fred is correct the way you have painted this figure works for me. There is a danger that if you go for the correct base colour that the webbing could get lost. Compromises like this sometimes have to be made.

Yeah it works for me too, but i am just looking if there are simple ways of making it better. My regular army types have some 'artistic license ' to them too. But this being a much smaller battlegroup then my regular army, allows to put some more time in it and get it as right as i can!


Thx all for the replies!
Title: Re: test model for my paras, opinioins please!
Post by: petercooman on 08 December 2013, 11:00:35 AM
On second thought, what if i keep the sequence but replace the last drybrush by a desert yellow drybrush?

And i meant catachan green not camo green. Camo green would obviously be too light
Title: Re: test model for my paras, opinioins please!
Post by: Steve J on 08 December 2013, 11:12:56 AM
I think the jacket base colour needs to be lighter. The following links have plenty of info and I used these on my 28mm Paras to good effect:

http://www.artizandesigns.com/guides/BritishParatroopsColours.pdf
http://www.artizandesigns.com/guides/new/painters%20guide%201944%20british%20denison.gif
http://www.artizandesigns.com/guides/new/painters%20guide%201944%20british%20para.gif

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: test model for my paras, opinioins please!
Post by: Albie Bach on 08 December 2013, 11:45:36 AM
Very nice.
A lighter jacket base colour might also let the camo show up more. I can see the irony in that, but I hope you see my point.  ;)
Title: Re: test model for my paras, opinioins please!
Post by: fred. on 08 December 2013, 11:47:24 AM
I've got a few 10mm paras painted http://www.kerynne.com/games/BritishParas.html though mainly not Pendraken

(http://www.kerynne.com/games/images/BritPara/100_9855.jpg)

I went for a buff colour for the webbing, to make it stand out
(http://www.kerynne.com/games/images/BritPara/2ndBttn%20HQ%20closeup.jpg)

As for painting order, it looks like you have the whole figure done in battle dress brown, so I would at this stage paint the jacket in desert sand, then proceed as before.
Title: Re: test model for my paras, opinioins please!
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 08 December 2013, 12:00:08 PM
Helmet, Russian uniform 924, camo strips flat earth 983 and green ochre 914

Smock base English uniform 921, highlight the whole thing green ochre 914, this will give some depth! then reflective green 890 then flat earth 973 last two colours covering about 50% of visible fabric

Webbing Russian uniform   924 highlighted w grey green 886

Trousers English uniform 921

Boots &chinstraps black

That's the Battlefront version anyway...

Edited with correct numbers
Title: Re: test model for my paras, opinioins please!
Post by: Fenton on 08 December 2013, 12:05:22 PM
For the webbing in 10mm I would be tempted to go straight to grey green as the base colour
Title: Re: test model for my paras, opinioins please!
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 08 December 2013, 12:10:01 PM
Just going back to sort the numbers, they've all defaulted to 886!  :o
Title: Re: test model for my paras, opinioins please!
Post by: Fenton on 08 December 2013, 12:11:37 PM
And 886 is green grey so I must be right  :D

but a little weird
Title: Re: test model for my paras, opinioins please!
Post by: petercooman on 08 December 2013, 12:58:35 PM
Thanks chaps!

I'll see what i can fiddle up from this tonight  :D
Title: Re: test model for my paras, opinioins please!
Post by: petercooman on 08 December 2013, 09:31:59 PM
Ok so had another go, the rifleman is the one from last night, with changed up helmet and webbing. the Stengunner is with a lighter basecoat.

I can honestly say that the modified riflemen looks best to me! The lighter jacket colour takes away much of the camo. It blends more into each other. What do you guys think.?

(http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/ff441/petercooman123/DSC02945_zpsceb38747.jpg) (http://s1236.photobucket.com/user/petercooman123/media/DSC02945_zpsceb38747.jpg.html)
(http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/ff441/petercooman123/DSC02946_zps16b75ac1.jpg) (http://s1236.photobucket.com/user/petercooman123/media/DSC02946_zps16b75ac1.jpg.html)
Title: Re: test model for my paras, opinioins please!
Post by: ronan on 08 December 2013, 09:43:24 PM
Quote from: petercooman on 08 December 2013, 09:31:59 PM
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I can honestly say that the modified riflemen looks best to me! The lighter jacket colour takes away much of the camo. It blends more into each other. What do you guys think.?

I agree, you may have to cheat a little. No one will care !  ;)
Title: Re: test model for my paras, opinioins please!
Post by: fred. on 08 December 2013, 10:23:33 PM
Chap with Sten for me (though the Sten should be much closer to black than silver)

The green webbing changes the look quite a bit too.

There does look to be less brown on the chap with the sten.
Title: Re: test model for my paras, opinioins please!
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 08 December 2013, 10:24:37 PM
Sten for me
Title: Re: test model for my paras, opinioins please!
Post by: ronan on 08 December 2013, 10:26:53 PM
Quote from: ronan on 08 December 2013, 09:43:24 PM
(...)No one will care !  ;)


I'm wrong again !  :'(   :'(
;)
Title: Re: test model for my paras, opinioins please!
Post by: petercooman on 08 December 2013, 10:31:32 PM
Yeah the sten hasn't got the blackwash yet.

Still not sure though  :-\

I'll sleep over it one more time  ;D
Title: Re: test model for my paras, opinioins please!
Post by: Ithoriel on 08 December 2013, 11:34:04 PM
For whatever it's worth to you, in my opinion we are seeing these as if they were about nine inches from our nose. Which is not how we'd look at them in real life. My guess is that from a distance of three to six feet away on the table either or both would look fine.

Whatever paint scheme you eventually decide on, I look forward to both further pictures and some shots of them in action!
Title: Re: test model for my paras, opinioins please!
Post by: petercooman on 09 December 2013, 05:03:00 AM
Quote from: Ithoriel on 08 December 2013, 11:34:04 PM
My guess is that from a distance of three to six feet away on the table either or both would look fine.

Whatever paint scheme you eventually decide on, I look forward to both further pictures and some shots of them in action!

Thx!

i am still pondering wich one i will take, but i guess you are right.