Anyone else watch the Time Team special on the above last night ?
Have to admit....I was hoping for something more definitive in the end.
Yes....Good research....Pretty convincing conclusions....But I did so want them to find 'something' in the way of physical evidence.
Maybe they'll go back and have a dig in those fields at the top of 'that' road.
Cheers - Phil.
Missed it - bugger! :'(
Yeah I watched it.. It came down to a big maybe, but I dont think that too unsurprising
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/time-team-specials/4od#3618762
I liked the chap whose "Norman helmet bands" probably came from a bucket.
Although I have seen it used before I am always impressed with the LADAR
Quote from: fsn on 02 December 2013, 06:08:24 PM
I liked the chap whose "Norman helmet bands" probably came from a bucket.
I thought that was amusing too ! ;D ;D ;D
Unless I got the perspective on the first band completely wrong....My initial thought on that was...."Good grief !......"The chap wearing that must have had an
enormous head !"
Cheers - Phil
Bet his mother could have told you. :o
It was interesting, but not as earth-shattering as I thought it was going to be.
Same here Dave.
Cheers - Phil.
To be fair, if it had been earth shaking, it would probably have been on the news "Battle of Hastings not at Battle, nor Hastings, but actually at Penzance!"
;D
If it had been at Penzance, the pirates would have seen them off... :D
The usual inconclusive guesswork which could have been covered in half the time ;)
Quote from: SV52 on 03 December 2013, 09:16:09 AM
The usual inconclusive guesswork which could have been covered in half the time ;)
Sadly true SV ! ;)
The way they were "bigging it up" (sorry) I'd imagined they'd found something like an identity bracelet of the appropriate era, with Harold's name, Royal markings etc on it..
(Oh all right.....Perhaps not
that....But you know what I mean. ;) ;D)
Cheers - Phil.
downloaded and watched last night.
Also a bit disappointed, if they thought it was definitely by the roundabout why not dig nearby. and all that talk throughout about the battlefield being picked clean afterwards so we probably won't find anything anyway. I'm sorry the whole place would've been littered with arrowheads.
Matt (who did a bit of Archaeology in '98 before switching to Geography - I cry about that decision now :'()
Shocking new conclusion...Battle of Hastings took place pretty much where history and tradition said it did...just pivoted a bit...based on limited evidence.
:-w
Tony Robinson just extending his 'archaeology' TV career a bit more after Time Team got cancelled.
Caught it on "catch-up" last night. I agree that it was disappointing, considering they found absolutely nothing. Even the axe-head they sent to Germany could only be verified as "pre 1640". Not much to build a case on.
Interesting, I traced my family backwards, (not easy) and my great, great,great and so on... was there,
assisting Duke William, and then he was given lands in Midlesborough (sh*te footy team) and also staffordshire.
So its mine ok.....please pay your rent on time......
:o :o :o
Excellent that you have been able to trace back so far Marie. Now you know you just have to game Hastings and have your ancestor as one of the commanders :D.
Quote from: marie on 18 December 2013, 11:25:00 AM
Interesting, I traced my family backwards, (not easy) and my great, great,great and so on... was there,
assisting Duke William, and then he was given lands in Midlesborough (sh*te footy team) and also staffordshire.
So its mine ok.....please pay your rent on time......
Female name. I take it you've heard of Salic law?
no he was not called Marie...lol....yes he was a man....anyone else out there a Norman, and if not are you a saxon, lets discuss...
In this situation I would be a Norseman. I think we have them in a pincer movement.
Descent from one of William's supporters may be impressive, though my experience of genealogy suggests such things are far less certain than would be descendants would like to believe, however since "statistically, most of the inhabitants of Western Europe are probably descended from William the Conqueror" does that mean that most of us here out-rank you as a descendent of a mere hanger-on of our illustrious forebear?? :)
The Moores of Linley in Shropshire claim, until the last generation where it passed to a cousin, direct blood line descendence of one of William's standard bearers at Hastings (he did go through four on the day). Arch-parliamentarians, fought against the King in 1640.
They always referred to the House of Windsor as 'bloody foreign upstarts!'
Quote from: marie on 18 December 2013, 11:25:00 AM
Interesting, I traced my family backwards, (not easy) and my great, great,great and so on... was there,
assisting Duke William, and then he was given lands in Midlesborough (sh*te footy team) and also staffordshire.
So its mine ok.....please pay your rent on time......
You traced your ancestry back to Hastings?!?!
I'm amazed. =D>
How?
What records extend that far back with familial continuity?
I couldnt get back past 1760 a couple of re remariages and the Irish records office burning down stopped me in my tracks
I think a lot of people when tracing ancestry forget that especially in some areas of the UK people referred to themselves with the surname of the local lord even though there is not blood connection
Quote from: marie on 18 December 2013, 11:49:07 AM
no he was not called Marie...lol....yes he was a man....anyone else out there a Norman, and if not are you a saxon, lets discuss...
Some interesting genetic research was done recently (http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-07/04/genetic-mapping-britain (http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-07/04/genetic-mapping-britain)) that appears on the surface to support certain aspects of our history; most notably:
The Germanic invasion after the collapse of Roman central authority, appears to have been a significant population migration (and indeed, there were almost no Romans here at all, which probably explains why nobody ever claims to have decended from a Roman).
The 'Norman' invasion was nothing of the sort, representing a replacement of the elite class only (perhaps a few thousand nobles). However, this one is difficult as of course the Normans are Scandinavian so that may be hidden in the Germanic mix.
Therefore, most people in the UK will be either 'ancient British' (mainly Wlesh or Irish stock, i will not use the 'C-word') or Germanic.
:D
For my part, i'm fairly sure i'm Germanic. My wife is from the ancient British folk so we're a mixed marriage.
The problem with going back so far even to look for viking/germanic roots is that you very quickly after about 4 generations I think it is end up with more descendents than DNA segments in your own genetic set up
http://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2013/feb/25/viking-ancestors-astrology
I did not use a genealogy site....as they are to random, as you say...I followed my name back in time, we are mentioned, at Battle Abbey ,Hastings.
and when I visited to France I mentioned my family name and they told me we had a castle in the town.
Unfortunately this was closed on a Wednesday,lol.....but at least I got to see it...from the outside...
The great great great and so on went on to be a Templar......and so so on and so on....
Interesting article on Britain here
www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/british_prehistory/peoples_01.shtml (http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/british_prehistory/peoples_01.shtml)
Nice find S.
Cheers - Phil.
Good find! :D
Quote from: Sandinista on 29 December 2013, 12:51:39 PM
Interesting article on Britain here
www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/british_prehistory/peoples_01.shtml (http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/british_prehistory/peoples_01.shtml)
Fascinating read, cheers!
Meirion
I recall something about the Anglo-Saxons donkeys years ago, ie. Anglo-Saxon style burials in Britain would suggest that a maximum of 100,000 Anglo-Saxons settled in Britain, which had a native population of about 4 million. Consequently the chances of a modern Englishman being pure Anglo-Saxon are virtually nil. And yes, I do know the term Anglo-Saxon is now frowned upon, but it is a commonly used term.
Good stuff - thanks
IanS
cheers, yh an interesting journey