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Title: should I paint a star on the BACK of my pilotkas ( russian WW2 )
Post by: ronan on 30 September 2013, 06:35:27 PM
hello
When I was reenacted I learnt to reverse my pilotka during "fights". ( of course, only when we weren't wearing helmets)
In this way the red star was facing to my back, not as a target on my head  ;)

I'm now painting my firsts soldiers with pilotkas. Should I paint the red star on the back ?
Yes for historical accuracy.. But it looks a bit strange.  :-\

any advice ?

Thank you.
Title: Re: should I paint a star on the BACK of my pilotkas ( russian WW2 )
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 30 September 2013, 07:15:41 PM
Depends whether they had ever been issued with it or still had it...
I'd say do a mix.
Title: Re: should I paint a star on the BACK of my pilotkas ( russian WW2 )
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 01 October 2013, 07:09:12 AM
It would most likely have been removed, or dirtied up.

IanS
Title: Re: should I paint a star on the BACK of my pilotkas ( russian WW2 )
Post by: Hertsblue on 01 October 2013, 09:19:34 AM
Aren't all soldiers taught to shoot at the enemy's body, rather than a small target with an even smaller target on top? Strikes me that if you stick your head above the parapet it doesn't matter what you're wearing.  :-\
Title: Re: should I paint a star on the BACK of my pilotkas ( russian WW2 )
Post by: Ace of Spades on 01 October 2013, 10:57:59 AM
Apparently targets on helmets were much favoured even over a hundred years ago... it was the main reason the British discarded the cloth unit flashes on the sides of their helmets during the Second Boer War. Some surviving examples show holes that are disturbingly close to the flashes (actually, any hit on your headgear whether penetrating or not, is of course very disturbing!).
Also, I can imagine the red star, being made of enamelled metal, could be shiny and thereby giving away your position instead of acting directly as a 'bullet magnet'. Although slightly less deadly, still not a very comfortable thought...

Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: should I paint a star on the BACK of my pilotkas ( russian WW2 )
Post by: ronan on 01 October 2013, 05:32:06 PM
Quote from: Hertsblue on 01 October 2013, 09:19:34 AM
Aren't all soldiers taught to shoot at the enemy's body, (...)
Quote from: Ace of Spades on 01 October 2013, 10:57:59 AM
(...) the red star, being made of enamelled metal, could be shiny and thereby giving away your position instead of acting directly as a 'bullet magnet'.(...)

yes, probably.
And you can see this lovely little red star from far in the green bushes !

Quote from: ianrs54 on 01 October 2013, 07:09:12 AM
It would most likely have been removed, or dirtied up.
Quote from: mad lemmey on 30 September 2013, 07:15:41 PM
I'd say do a mix.

You're right.
Thanks to all !
Title: Re: should I paint a star on the BACK of my pilotkas ( russian WW2 )
Post by: mollinary on 01 October 2013, 05:46:24 PM
Yes, and there is a psychological aspect to this as well. I was a European Community Monitor in Croatia in 1991. We were supposed to be monitoring "cease fires".  Our "uniform" was white, with a blue armband with the circle of stars on it. The whole ensemble was topped off with a blue baseball cap with the circle of stars on the front.  This was not popular with the monitors as, mistakenly, we thought it might help snipers target where our brains were!  Fortunately these were located in another part of our anatomy, or we would not have been there in the first place.  That said, it was amazing how many of these items ended up being worn by local kids! :-\

Mollinary
Title: Re: should I paint a star on the BACK of my pilotkas ( russian WW2 )
Post by: ronan on 01 October 2013, 06:35:59 PM
Quote from: mollinary on 01 October 2013, 05:46:24 PM
(...)  Fortunately these were located in another part of our anatomy, (...)

;D
Title: Re: should I paint a star on the BACK of my pilotkas ( russian WW2 )
Post by: petercooman on 01 October 2013, 08:25:57 PM
Quote from: mollinary on 01 October 2013, 05:46:24 PM
  That said, it was amazing how many of these items ended up being worn by local kids! :-\

Mollinary

Never crossed your minds the snipers might mistake them then?
:o :o :o