British 1815. To be honest I've given up. I could use Peninsular British but, lets face it, the plume is in the wrong place.
You did say that you would have them by the end of the year.
If you had said 2014 or 2015 I could have spent the time concentrating on the peninsular or ... No what I and a lot of other gamers would have bought for the bicentenary isn't available for an ambitious project.
You have no Prussians & no British.
The French are 1809.
To get new members or create interest in Wargames you need something that the non wargaming public have heard of.
Waterloo ! It's an iconic name. They may not have a clue when, but by the end of next year everyone will have heard it and they will know it was 200 years ago on June 18th.
You could have at least produced one marching infantryman
Before FSN comes round -
MORE TANKS......
IanS ;) :D
Stop it, I'm still trying to get the 1809 range finished and not dragged off into these Anglo-centric sideshows ;)
If wishes were horses then beggars would ride. :P
Greetings
You did see this thread, which talks about British and Prussians, didn't you?
http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8085.0.html
One of the problems with having a lot of ranges is that it is really difficult to meet everyone's expectations.
Regards
Edward
Quote from: Hertsblue on 24 September 2013, 07:39:53 AM
If wishes were horses then beggars would ride. :P
Light Beggar Cavalry?
Add it to the wish list!
I'd like some Portugese and Brunswickers
Quote from: Dragoon on 24 September 2013, 02:17:37 AM
You did say that you would have them by the end of the year.
Yep, I'm hoping to have the first of the sculpts before the end of the year.
The problem is we end up trying to produce things on a dozen different fronts all at the same time. If I tell the designer to stop everything and go do Nap Brits, then the guys waiting on the WWI extension would have to wait. If we go do some of the Allies to complete the Wagram list, then the chaps wanting the Brits won't be happy. If we get the designer to work on all three at the same time, none of them get finished quickly. If we give him a bigger design budget to work with then I don't get paid... :(
I need to chat to him soon about the WWI stuff, so I'll confirm then whether we're still able to start some Brits before the end of the year.
Hello Leon,
I will see you at that fiasco in leeds (wargames not elland road....) to discuss Geneva and plans for your honeymoons...
So, LOA it is then for next year. ALL next year...
Quote from: Alan on 26 September 2013, 07:24:08 PM
I will see you at that fiasco in leeds (wargames not elland road....) to discuss Geneva and plans for your honeymoons...
8)
Quote from: Leon on 24 September 2013, 02:29:56 PM
Yep, I'm hoping to have the first of the sculpts before the end of the year.
The problem is we end up trying to produce things on a dozen different fronts all at the same time. If I tell the designer to stop everything and go do Nap Brits, then the guys waiting on the WWI extension would have to wait. If we go do some of the Allies to complete the Wagram list, then the chaps wanting the Brits won't be happy. If we get the designer to work on all three at the same time, none of them get finished quickly. If we give him a bigger design budget to work with then I don't get paid... :(
I need to chat to him soon about the WWI stuff, so I'll confirm then whether we're still able to start some Brits before the end of the year.
One of the 1/72 plastic makers has the same problem; pays attention to all those wingeing for what they want and tries to satisfy all needs, ending up satisfying no one. Probably best to prioritise on a first come first served basis and finish what is selling rather than on who shouts loudest (or posts the most). After all if people really want the product they should be prepared to wait in the queue. If they won't wait, then sod 'em, they were fair weather friends after all. :d
Dear Leon.
I have an idea. Rather than just have a list of what we (the noodles in the Pendraken sweet and sour sauce) want, why not make things easier and start "things we don't want"?
I'll start with the M1 combat car, aboriginal Australians, and bronze age Japanese.
Having said that, War Plan Red does bring the intriguing possibilities of the US invading Canada ...
OK skip the M1, and add ... um ... er ... balrogs.
The only thing i don't want is a clown riding a unicorn. :D
(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100918114017/ukcomics/images/e/ef/HomSap.gif)
don't want list... sdkfz anythings... romans digging holes... a Napoleonic infantry pack of gibralter garrison troops holding hands with Barbary apes. medieval monks, sweating on a religious crusade. Honduran air force ground crew for the 1969 football war.
anything else... well I would probably definitely buy it.
Quote from: petercooman on 26 September 2013, 09:50:08 PM
The only thing i don't want is a clown riding a unicorn. :D
If its classed as lance armed drilled heavy cav, I would have them. Avg, undrilled... with swords, custard pies and honky horns? No.. I don't want.
Quote from: petercooman on 26 September 2013, 09:50:08 PM
The only thing i don't want is a clown riding a unicorn. :D
I'm sure my DBMM Imperial Roman army still needs an elephant on a unicycle crewed by flame-thrower wielding circus clowns :-) I do hope Pendraken will have produced them by 2069 in time for the 2000 anniversary of their deployment during the Year of the Four Emperors!
[citation needed] Am I really the only one with a mountain of lead and plastic that could be painted while waiting for the next "must have" shiny from Pendraken?
Quote from: Alan on 26 September 2013, 09:54:17 PM
don't want list...Honduran air force ground crew for the 1969 football war.
Erm, I have the air forces for that war... :-[ 1/600 Tumbling Dice
My list would be...
Erm...
Very short indeed. In fact, if people want to okay it, fine.
Not a great fan of 28mm zombie gunslingers that appear to be all the rage, but if people want to okay it, fair enough! :D
Quote from: Ithoriel on 26 September 2013, 10:00:06 PM
I'm sure my DBMM Imperial Roman army still needs an elephant on a unicycle crewed by flame-thrower wielding circus clowns :-) I do hope Pendraken will have produced them by 2069 in time for the 2000 anniversary of their deployment during the Year of the Four Emperors! [citation needed]
Am I really the only one with a mountain of lead and plastic that could be painted while waiting for the next "must have" shiny from Pendraken?
Nope, not at all. One eventually learns that instant gratification usually lasts, dare I say it, for an instant. :P :P :P
OMG - it sounds like the clown riding a unicorn for my fantasy army of Dr.Doom's Circus is now not going to be produced - boohoo :'(
Would still like some 1870 dismounted Chasseurs a Cheval though.
I Cuddlius do not want Teddy Bear Romans.
(http://www.fighting15sshop.co.uk/ekmps/shops/fighting15s/images/100tbr03-teddy-bear-legionary-standard-4804-p.jpg)
Oh dear, I'm getting an odd longing to see a legion following this fellow under Legatus Yogius Ursus :o
Was all that nudity in HBO's "Rome" down to a misreading of bear for bare? ;) ;D
Quote from: mad lemmey on 26 September 2013, 11:25:34 PM
Not a great fan of 28mm zombie gunslingers that appear to be all the rage, but if people want to okay it, fair enough! :D
Yeah, but
10mm zombie gunslingers are a must!
Quote from: WeeWars on 27 September 2013, 10:43:40 AM
I Cuddlius do not want Teddy Bear Romans.
Do you think Teutoburg Forest would have been different if the Romans had all been sh1**ing in the woods?
Quote from: fsn on 27 September 2013, 04:10:01 PM
Do you think Teutoburg Forest would have been different if the Romans had all been sh1**ing in the woods?
I think the Romans were probably better at holding it together.
(http://www.fighting15sshop.co.uk/ekmps/shops/fighting15s/images/100tbr13-teddy-bear-roman-cavalry-centurion-4814-p.jpg)
Aw, look they're fighting over a honeypot. Or something. They're so cute. No. they're just silly. Silly bear Romans.
(http://www.fighting15sshop.co.uk/ekmps/shops/fighting15s/images/100tbr18-catapult-and-teddy-bear-roman-crew-4819-p.jpg)
"Ursus Eunt Domus!"
;)
Quote from: WeeWars on 27 September 2013, 04:57:26 PM
Aw, look they're fighting over a honeypot. Or something. They're so cute. No. they're just silly. Silly bear Romans.
(http://www.fighting15sshop.co.uk/ekmps/shops/fighting15s/images/100tbr18-catapult-and-teddy-bear-roman-crew-4819-p.jpg)
They are cool ;D on and it's artillery >:( lol
There's no way Paddington would use his honey to catapult the enemy....
On the other hand I dont think these teddies are related to Paddington as they are not wearing Duffle Coats and wellies :D
Sorry to be picky mate.
Paddington preferred marmalade, Pooh Bear was the hunny fan.
Glad to see someone's researched this properly.
Quote from: WeeWars on 28 September 2013, 11:59:22 AM
Glad to see someone's researched this properly.
;D ;D ;D
Oh Pooh! They've started using marmalade!
Quote from: Leon on 24 September 2013, 02:29:56 PM
Yep, I'm hoping to have the first of the sculpts before the end of the year.
The problem is we end up trying to produce things on a dozen different fronts all at the same time. If I tell the designer to stop everything and go do Nap Brits, then the guys waiting on the WWI extension would have to wait. If we go do some of the Allies to complete the Wagram list, then the chaps wanting the Brits won't be happy. If we get the designer to work on all three at the same time, none of them get finished quickly. If we give him a bigger design budget to work with then I don't get paid... :(
Surely the real answer is to produce what is most profitable as a priority and add a few of the "extras" in as a bonus.
Quote from: Hertsblue on 27 September 2013, 07:09:14 AM
Nope, not at all. One eventually learns that instant gratification usually lasts, dare I say it, for an instant. :P :P :P
And can cost you a fortune in the divorce ! :d :d
Quote from: Just a few Orcs on 01 October 2013, 07:12:02 PM
And can cost you a fortune in the divorce ! :d :d
Met a guy once who had to sell his complete collection of 40's and 50's goodies (really, his house was filled with it!) because they divorced and his wife wanted half of the money it was worth... Got me a cheap 1943 Harley-Davidson out of it though :-[
I also told my wife when I got home with it that she shouldn't count on a divorce as long as we had a garden ;)
Cheers,
Rob
War is looming and Baldrick has a cunning plan.
The Belgians are preparing their tiny defences, the BEF is marching around the home counties refining their drill and marksmanship and Jerry is polishing his spiky bit on top of that funny hat.
The Schliefflen Plan will occur in 2014 ... 10mm early WW1; especially the Royal Navy Division.
I'm looking forward to 2015. Finish my refighting of the Revolutionary and Napoleonic wars I've been on since 1993.
Two year break and you get to start again?
... since 1993 .. Revolution? More like Evolutionary Wars. I think Darwin has a chance in that one.
Quote from: Dave Fielder on 21 November 2013, 09:27:07 AM
... since 1993 .. Revolution? More like Evolutionary Wars. I think Darwin has a chance in that one.
Wait till he finds out they had no centurions :P :P
Quote from: Zippee on 24 September 2013, 07:30:56 AM
Stop it, I'm still trying to get the 1809 range finished and not dragged off into these Anglo-centric sideshows ;)
1809, Austrians, Bavarians and French.
1812, Russians and French, Wurtemberg, Prussia and Austria
1813 French, Everybody
1814 as 1813 for 3 months.
1815 Anglo Allied and Prussia with Austria mobilising and fighting in the border areas in the East.
From 1808 to 1814 the Brits were fighting non stop.
Not to mention defending the Canadian border, ..err as far south as Washington.
No British Infantry figures for 1812, 1813, 1814 and 1815.
They were promised for 2012 when I originally asked about them, then 2013. In this September I was told before the end of the year. In October at The Derby Show I was told by Leon that he's not bothered and there are lots of other things to come first.
Fortunately I had already bought and painted some Prussians and some Dutch, so I only want a few more figures to complete the Allies apart from British they are complete so I now have the 1815 French to buy and paint, ah well one colour at a time. according to the lead pileaholic help line. I've used 15mm AB figures as the detail is easier to see.
Mike
While
Quote from: Dragoon on 13 December 2013, 11:50:53 PM
In October at The Derby Show I was told by Leon that he's not bothered...
:-\
I don't think I've ever said that? The British are next on the list for the sculptor, so the first masters will be appearing either this month or January.
Granted, there have been delays to the original plans, but there are dozens of reasons for that.
You said you didn't have funds for the sculpts as you had put others in font of them and earlier this year, or late last year you said they would be ready later in the year not sculpts you said last half of the year then ready in the last quarter. Before that you said end of 2012. Again before that it was supposed to in end of 2011 or early 2012. In fact it's been next year for some time.
Again it's next year, and that's only sculpts not a saleable product.
Fortunately I didn't buy any 10mm. figures as the more you fobbed me off the more I thought it's better not to commit until the range was there.
I had originally decided on 6mm but Pete said he wasn't going to do 1815 and that's when I gave up on 6mm.
Now Baccus have had them on the shelf for more than three years.
In fact looking in my project book it was eight years ago when I first spoke to Pete. He did a paint demo on how to paint 6mm. That was when he said he wouldn't be doing them.
I even orderd a Peninsula Brit Army with extra cavalry, artillery, Possibly Generals, and extra infantry to be picked up at St. Helens. that was when you said you would be doing 1815 but not yet. as an army was £15-00 and I've asked every year since.
By the time they're ready for sale it will be December and then not a full range and no Prussians. I've given you too much time at 70 that's something I don't have a lot of.
If you had been straight instead of saying the cheque's in the post, I would have nothing to complain about.
Quote from: Dragoon on 13 December 2013, 11:50:53 PM
In October at The Derby Show I was told by Leon that he's not bothered and there are lots of other things to come first.
That doesn't sound like Leon. In fact, Leon has explained the situation quite clearly several times on this forum and kept us all up to date with the progress of the 1815 Brits.
Quote from: Dragoon on 14 December 2013, 01:38:36 AM
Fortunately I didn't buy any 10mm. figures as the more you fobbed me off the more I thought it's better not to commit until the range was there.
If you had been straight instead of saying the cheque's in the post, I would have nothing to complain about.
Again, all you have to do is read Leon's posts. I find it hard to imagine he has been fobbing off anyone. Or done anything other than talked straight.
The proposed 1815 range isn't any different in terms of time to design, sculpt and produce from any other figure range in the history of wargaming. They all take forever.
Dear Mr Dragoon,
I sense your frustration. I empathise with it. I have not bought any Napoleonic figures from Pendraken because I am waiting for the later war British. I have suggested that Pendraken adopt a HaT style calendar, showing what is planned and roughly where the development process is up to.
Pendraken is a family run company, who all work very hard for little reward because they love the hobby and love what they do. They maintain a very large catalogue, and constantly add to it. I'd rather they do this than spend large quantities of time telling us in great detail about forthcoming ranges.
In my dealings with Leon, I have always found him to be honest and open, but he can only explain the situation as it is at the time you are talking to him. The situation changes and Leon is very good at giving updates when requested.
I have been in your situation. I spent what seemed to be an eternity waiting for the Centurion tank. You may find some small trace of my vigil in the pages of this forum. I hope that my badgering was done with some degree of good humour and understanding of the difficulties faced by Pendraken.
I think it fair to say that the established members of this forum will, to a man, be very unsympathetic to any hint of criticism that edges towards defamation of Leon. We are admittedly, very protective of him.
My understanding is that the British are due out in 2014. Leon will give you updates upon request, but he cannot give you a definitive date because he will not let sub-standard items into the Pendraken catalogue. In the meantime, might I suggest you avail yourselves to one of the other ranges? I can recommend the WWII and the ACW were redone this year and look superb on the table. If, at the advanced age of 70, you believe that your time is too short to wait, may I suggest, and I don't do this lightly, that Magister Militum are a very reputable company with an extensive late Napoleonic British range. Their figures do fit with Pendraken and I think some of the forum members could give you the benefit of their experience.
Quote from: Dragoon on 14 December 2013, 01:38:36 AM
You said you didn't have funds for the sculpts as you had put others in font of them and earlier this year, or late last year you said they would be ready later in the year not sculpts you said last half of the year then ready in the last quarter. Before that you said end of 2012. Again before that it was supposed to in end of 2011 or early 2012. In fact it's been next year for some time.
Again it's next year, and that's only sculpts not a saleable product.
The lack of funds is correct, on two counts.
Firstly, sometime in 2012, we had to reduce the monthly budget for one of the designers by about 40%. This was due to both simple maths and us not having enough spare money, and also due to the amount of backlog we had here at Pendraken HQ.
The second reason is more of an indirect one, and that was us directing the funds into other ranges. The ACW range took up a lot of time and money, but we had a lot of people interested in 125th anniversaries of various battles, so it was good business to put the money into that range at that time. The decision paid off and the ACW is one of our biggest selling ranges at the moment.
Similarly, the WW1 centenary was approaching, and what started off as a basic revamp became more extensive, and therefore ate into the design schedule more than planned. But we needed these items done, as next year will see a lot of growth in WW1 sales (moreso than it already has!), and we will sell them.
Which brings us onto the Brits. I apologise for the delays to the range and can assure you that it was never planned to be that way. But unfortunately things rarely go to plan, deadlines are often missed, and I doubt we're the only wargames company who suffers from that. With the impending 200th anniversary though, we now have a definite timescale, which we have to hit if we want to maximise the sales of the range. With that in mind, the designer will now be 100% Naps for the foreseeable future, with any diversions to his time being additional hours and not taking away from the Naps schedule. We may even review the budget in Feb/Mar and see if we can allot him some extra to speed things along. Bear in mind though that we spend around £8k per annum on sculpting alone, which I would suggest is more than 90% of other companies out there, and it's hard to stretch that further without basically taking a pay cut.
Quote from: fsn on 14 December 2013, 08:54:43 AM
I sense your frustration. I empathise with it. I have not bought any Napoleonic figures from Pendraken because I am waiting for the later war British. I have suggested that Pendraken adopt a HaT style calendar, showing what is planned and roughly where the development process is up to.
We do have the 'What We're Working On' thread, which admittedly needs updating now. The problem for the past 6 months or so has been the amount of contract work we're doing for other people. This month alone we've done around 20 moulds so far, none of them for ourselves. We're looking at buying a second mould press so that we double our output, but there is the time consideration as well, and stretching Dave too thinly during the hours he's available for the business.
Quote from: fsn on 14 December 2013, 08:54:43 AM
I think it fair to say that the established members of this forum will, to a man, be very unsympathetic to any hint of criticism that edges towards defamation of Leon. We are admittedly, very protective of him.
All 987 of him
Mike
Chill !
I understand your frustration and, having known you for so many years, I know your prime interest has almost always been British Napoleonics.
I and many other forum members occasionally become frustrated, but we accept that delays only reflects Pendraken's attempts to satisfy the many and varied requests they receive. Leon has never 'fobbed off' anyone to my knowledge and always tries to tell it as it is.
The LoA range has and is taking a long time to complete, but what you then get are superb models that were well worth the wait.
Be patient. Everything comes to those who wait.
Best regards
Pete
Pete :
After asking earlier in the year the answer was in the later end of the year. At Derby the answer was 'Not this year' too busy on other things ! so .
I would have bought French, but as you know, not being familiar with differences in 1809 and 1815 uniforms I didn't bother. but felt that given the time to paint it had now gone well past a cut off point. Particularly as the original plan was for a 600 strong Battalion being 30 files and 2 ranks.
The OG range isn't finished and won't be in the UK.
So AB or Adler/Baccus. I bought 2 x SYW armies in Baccus to see if I could Paint them. (does the lace on the 21st foot have 2 red and 1 blue thread or vice versa?).
Mike
AB or Baccus suggests you have not decided on scale
Sorry know nothing about SYW British uniforms
Pete
Scale : No.
As you know I have to buy and paint both armies. On the scale I had planned, this is not now possible.
I have an 18 feet X 19 feet garage almost finished as a Wargames room.
Central Heating will be in shortly after Xmas.
A 16' x 6' table for any battles and a 6' x 4' table as a contoured campaign board.
However I really need to look at what I'm able to paint. I painted 16 Baccus Prussian Napoleonic in about 50 minutes but I should have been able to paint 24 in that time. (They were rubbish) the blue, faces and bayonets were too bright. I'm told black wash will cure it.
I think OG will be best if magister Militum do the odds.
The 16 figures to a 40mm base fits, giving the look of close order infantry.
I'll give it a run, if it doesn't look right in revise format I'll just scrap it.
I should have used OG in the first place, then I wouldn't be in this position.
Mike
The only way you will paint the number of you
need for a table that size is to do what I am doing, have them painted.
We currently have a 10x5 table and have over a 1000
figures on it.
Pete
Pete :
10'x5' at SWG or Home ?
There seems to be a club in all the 5 Towns, not counting the home groups.
Who paints them and how much and how good?
Three for the price of one question mark :-)
It was to be waterloo at 20 : 1
8 figures in 2 ranks on a 19mm (3/4") frontage
That should have read 10 : 1 if in2 ranks
Problem is even with Brits painted and ready the 1809 Habit Longue isn't a Bardin Habit so that means old 1812 figures but no pics
Table at my mate's in Leek.
After several bad experiences with Uk painters
I have gone to Fernando Enterprises in Sri Lanka.
Showcase quality is 60p a figure plus shipping
charges. For a £200 order they offer 10% discount.
After the discount it still works out at less than 70p
per figure.
Pete
That's good for showcase, but figures?
but overseas, you can't just say Halckets brigade please, you need to specify in detail.
I'll mail them and see about what info they need.
I have say, 365 days to paint all the figures. That's 3 armies, but Waterloo was about 63,000 Allies and about ,I'm not sure, 115,000 French, perhaps not that, after all they had fought Quatre Bras and Ligny on the 16th. and on the 18th. about 30,000 at Wavre, or something like that.
Then Bluchers Prussians. IV Korps arrived at Planceoit then, I think Thielman with I Korps and those of II & III Korps that weren't still holding up the French at Wavre. I'll have to check on what was left of those 3 Korps. About 25% routed at Ligny and the losses at Wavre. Bulows IV Korps was unused at Ligney, so apart from losses on the march they were full strength.
If I want to do the 100 Days then its over 300,000 men @ 10 : 1 that's 30,000 figures. @ 20 : 1 = 15,000.
If I settle for 100 : 1 It's still 3,000 figures that's about :-
A) Pendraken £400-00 ... Not Available
B) Magister M. £500-00 . Available
C) Old Glory £360-00 ... Available
Using AoE it would be 60 : 1 Using 10mm as you get 50% more figures on a stand and 100% more using Old Glory.
Therefore :-
A) £600-00
B) £750-00
C) £720-00
A Brit. Brigade of say 2520 men or 7 bases of 8 figures each in 2 Ranks. (Base size 20mm. wide X deep 25mm).
A Base is 360 men no matter how many figures are on it.
Figure ratio of 45 : 1
If I mount 6 figures to a base that brings the cost down to, £540-00
To get 4,500 figures painted about £3,400 so with figures £4,120
I would never get away with it in 1 year, if I hadn't waited, and bought OG in the first place I would have got away with it.
The Brits./Allies could possibly be ready but I doubt there will be lead on the table before March.
But there are 4 armies with a small saving if the Dutch are exactly the same as Austrians (but I bet the packs are different)
I know the figures will be good, but The 200th. Anniversary of Waterloo is in June 2015.
Celebrating the 100th. Anniversary was amazing, Artillery and Infantry all fighting over the same piece of ground.
in 2015 It would have been nice to do the same with model soldiers and no one getting killed.
I wonder how many clubs will put on a waterloo game, next year an the tear after.
They will be planning, building scenery, buildings, and painting figures .
Mike
The website gives you all the information you need relating
to their requirements.
I think you should have made your decision a lot earlier as
to whose figures to use given the size of the project you have
planned.
Pete
Quote from: Chad on 16 December 2013, 08:41:27 AM
I think you should have made your decision a lot earlier as
to whose figures to use given the size of the project you have
planned.
And Pendraken have no immediate plans for 1815 Prussians or French anyway.
Quote from: Chad on 16 December 2013, 08:41:27 AM
Mike
The website gives you all the information you need relating
to their requirements.
I think you should have made your decision a lot earlier as
to whose figures to use given the size of the project you have
planned.
Pete
When I've asked while at shows the answer as always been :-
After the new French range. Or earlier "we will be doing it"
Earlier this year I asked about Prussians.
Leon or No one else said, " we have no plans for Prussians".
But you are right I should have give them up as a waste of time and gone for OG.
Leaving aside what I want, but from a commercial point of view to ignore the campaign that shaped Modern Europe .
However I shouldn't be surprised.
I've used my time to work around the scale variation the 1/144th. Figure scale and ground scale (La Haye Saint) is Goumont the other
Although the approach to QB offers similar problems.
Be in touch if Allan or Phil has your address.
M
A number of comments from the miniatures page.
http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=76780
Ce la Guer
M
Mike
From a purely personal standpoint you would have to
pay me to game Waterloo.
Equally, unless there is sufficient interest from other people
then it is not necessarily a commercial proposition. You also
seem to completely ignore the fact that the modellers used by
Pendraken may not have the time available to produce a range of
British. Both statements would also relate to Prussians.
Many of them do not work exclusively for Pendraken.
Pete
I'm just glad that Napoleonics hold no interest for me at all #:-S I'd hate for Pendraken to disappoint me!
I'm a great Napoleonics fan. There is enough in the Pendraken range to keep me occupied until they Brits arrive.
May i ask is there much difference between the 1815 Brit Naps and the Peninsular Brits?
Quote from: fsn on 17 December 2013, 06:50:48 PM
I'm a great Napoleonics fan. There is enough in the Pendraken range to keep me occupied until they Brits arrive.
Not of course if you need 1815 Brits & Prussians, the latter of course, for the unaware, fought and played a most significant part in the largest battle of the Napoleonic wars, where all nations were involved.
Only Wellington and Blucher were there and able to engage Napoleon. But then if I wasn't aware of this and that the troops actually looked different , I would be quite relaxed about it.
Yes, its the difference between the low crowned tall fronted 1812 shako and the taller cylindrical stovepipe shako.
At least one unit was still in stovepipe at Waterloo.
The cavalry and artillery will double up for both.
If you want to do the Low Countries campaigns of the early 1800s or the Egyptian campaign you need bicorn wearing troops.
The war of 1812 was mixed shakos... :P
Quote from: brummie76 on 17 December 2013, 10:02:55 PM
May i ask is there much difference between the 1815 Brit Naps and the Peninsular Brits?
Shako's & plumes, it's the first thing you notice in a wargame.
for the French coat tails and shako's the greatest difference being coat tails and when you use a Brit army you do notice this when fighting the French.
Prussians, if you didn't have any, you would miss them at Ligny. All 100,000 of them
Was just considering the Brit Peninsular figures..... Looks like i may have to look at the new stuff too! ;)
Mike
Are you now intending to complain about Prussians
or buy MM figures? By the way the samples
of late Prussians by MM are not entirely accurate.
Pete
By the way Mike, you have not mentioned Bend Sinister figures.
Pete
Its 10mm FFS, without a magnifying glass will you really notice whether the Brit shakos are Belgic or not, sheesh.
Quote from: cameronian on 19 December 2013, 01:21:22 PM
Its 10mm FFS, without a magnifying glass will you really notice whether the Brit shakos are Belgic or not, sheesh.
Who is this FFS that you address? ;) :-\. Surely this is not intended to cover an undeleted expletive?
Mollinary
FFS = "For Fenton's Sake". An appeal to a higher authority. This may be trumped by "FLS" - for Leon's Sake" or "JLS" which is a boy band who (and it's not well known) are all keen 10mm gamers.
I would agree that with most manufacturers it may be difficult to tell a stovepipe from a Belgic - but this is Pendraken. :P
Quote from: fsn on 19 December 2013, 01:57:31 PM
FFS = "For Fenton's Sake". An appeal to a higher authority. This may be trumped by "FLS" - for Leon's Sake" or "JLS" which is a boy band who (and it's not well known) are all keen 10mm gamers.
I would agree that with most manufacturers it may be difficult to tell a stovepipe from a Belgic - but this is Pendraken. :P
Why are you asking me stuff while I'm on top of this ladder
Quote from: cameronian on 19 December 2013, 01:21:22 PM
Its 10mm FFS, without a magnifying glass will you really notice whether the Brit shakos are Belgic or not, sheesh.
Both Baccus and Adler sell different figures for Belgic and stovepipe shako in 6mm.
(https://www.baccus6mm.com/includes/products/napoleonic/images/britain/nbr1.jpg)
(https://www.baccus6mm.com/includes/products/napoleonic/images/britain/nbr14.jpg)
I would be interested to see what a British Napoleonic 10mm one-design-suits-all shako looks like, especially since the shape, size, and shako plate of the Belgic and stovepipe shakos were all different.
"Very nice but I think you'll find the dirt under his fingernails is a little too dark for Corinth"
"Modelling Mike"?
Fusilier Campaign Dress 1812 - 1815 Bardin Uniform
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Quote from: Dragoon on 17 December 2013, 10:10:47 PM
Not of course if you need 1815 Brits & Prussians, the latter of course, for the unaware, fought and played a most significant part in the largest battle of the Napoleonic wars, where all nations were involved.
Only Wellington and Blucher were there and able to engage Napoleon. But then if I wasn't aware of this and that the troops actually looked different , I would be quite relaxed about it.
I may sound a bit nationalistic here, but if I'm correct about a third of the combined allied armies at Waterloo consisted of Dutch troops and contrary to common belief they played an important role. Hadn't it been for the Prince of Orange and his decision to take a stand at Quattre Bras there would not even have been a battle of Waterloo and the split between the allied and Prussian armies would have been complete... Wellington, though in command of the field army, actually had to get approval from the Dutch court for any plans including the Dutch troops in the allied army. Just a thought, but one largely overlooked by many...
Cheers,
Rob
Indeed. Also huzzah for the Hanoverians and Brunswickers. Even the "British" element contained the Kings Germans Legion who were ... German.
Actually Waterloo is an excellent British campaign. Get the Europeans to fight amongst themselves and claim the victory!
And don't forget; allies are also very convenient when you lose a battle; there's always someone else around to blame! :-\
Cheers!
Rob
The Austrian Rocket for the 1866 range that I have been waiting so patiently and un-fsn like for the past two years. I'll even pay for the sculpt - please! ;)
Mollinary
Quote from: mollinary on 10 February 2014, 07:30:44 AM
The Austrian Rocket for the 1866 range that I have been waiting so patiently and un-fsn like for the past two years. I'll even pay for the sculpt - please! ;)
Mollinary
Have a word with Techno (Phil), M. He can at least give you a heads up as to cost, timescale etc.