Hi, Love Pendraken! I would like to see some 10mm modern stuff for the 1908's Falklands campaign. The forces were quite small which means that you could work at the platoon or even section level with plenty of figs for a reasonable cost, perfect for 10mm in fact. The range of figure and equipment types would not need to be too big either.
Ryththa
Now that is a cool suggestion ;D
And since it's looking like it might kick off down there again, quite timely!
Thanks for the support thus far! A second bash would, sadly, be even easier to wargame, less figs, less armour, less ships, less planes.....just a couple of politicians blaming each other for budget constraints. :-X
Seriously, I would really welcome this as a new range...I have a wallet and I an not afraid to use it.....just dont tell the wife yet ::)
It's an interesting suggestion, but I know Dave's a bit reluctant to head into the more Modern area. It's generally because of the sheer volume of stuff required, but something like this might be easier to do. Would you be requiring any penguins?
(http://www.ccpo.odu.edu/Research/globec/main_cruises02/lmg0205/pod/gentoo.jpg)
Of course. What self respecting wargamer would not want penguins? ;) and perhaps a mars bar or two? I know that a new range is a major undertaking, not cheap either, but I do think that this has some potential.
This is a definite gap in the market: and one that would be attractive to many a Cold War Commander player...I'd buy a boatload in a heartbeat.
It's pretty-much neglected in any scale [Gripping Beast's 28mm are nice for skirmish though] and there are some pretty-iconic images that would be tres coolio in 10mm - Marines / Paras yomping in Bergens with SLRs & Gimpys...
Exactly. Gaps in markets are few and far between and this one is definately Pendraken shaped. A few infantry figures, guns, the odd small vehicle and several aircraft....cool as a penguins bum :)
This era wouldn't be too difficult to fit in as its mainly infantry engagements - very little use of vehicles due to terrain and certainly limited on armour... (Four Scorpion Tanks for the Brits and Nil armour for the Argy's)
Please don't see it as an expansion into 'moderns'
After all, we've got some lovely *modern* Indo-China & Vietnam stuff ;D
I'll have to do a bit of digging and see what we'd be looking at figures/vehicles/codes wise? Unless someone wants to do the legwork for me... ;D
....and a Falklands range would be much smaller than the vietnam stuff.....or at least no bigger, and whats twenty years or so in the historical grand scheme of things? And besides, are we not all post modernists now?? :D Such a range would be so ground breaking and could start something big, and as Nosher said, little in the way of equipment.
Codes???? ???
Quote from: Ryththa on 12 March 2010, 11:36:15 PM
....and a Falklands range would be much smaller than the vietnam stuff.....or at least no bigger, and whats twenty years or so in the historical grand scheme of things? And besides, are we not all post modernists now?? :D Such a range would be so ground breaking and could start something big, and as Nosher said, little in the way of equipment.
Codes???? ???
Codes as in what would be in the range. I find it easier to plan/organise a range if I know what's going to be needed.
i.e.
FAL1 British with SMG
FAL2 British with HMG
FAL3 Scorpion tank
FAL4 Mortar team
FAL5 Argentinian with rifle
FAL6 etc.
You're almost there Leon!
Essentially, and my little ideal world, I think you're looking at:
British:
All with mixed headgear: helmets, helmets with scrim, berets
SLR: advancing [yomping] x 2 poses
SLR: firing x 2 poses
SMG: advancing x 2 poses
SMG: firing x 2 poses
GPMG: advancing x 1 pose
GPMG: firing x 1 pose [prone?]
Command pack: officers, RTO, runner
SAS - mixed weapons
Sniper
Mortar 81mm
SAM: Blowpipe/Stinger
ATWG: Milan
RR 120mm Wombat
Tank: Scorpion
Tanks: Scimitar
Artillery: 105mm + crew
Transport: Landies & Snowcats!
Argentine:
Infantry as above really -but helmeted
Support: RR 90mm & 105mm
Support: Mortar 81mm & 120mm
AA: - there's a few here...but most important are Blowpipe & Roland
Artillery: 105mm & 155mm + crew
Transport: LVTP-7
Plus all the helos...
Quote from: nikharwood on 13 March 2010, 12:10:37 AM
You're almost there Leon!
Essentially, and my little ideal world, I think you're looking at:
British:
All with mixed headgear: helmets, helmets with scrim, berets
SLR: advancing [yomping] x 2 poses
SLR: firing x 2 poses
SMG: advancing x 2 poses
SMG: firing x 2 poses
GPMG: advancing x 1 pose
GPMG: firing x 1 pose [prone?]
Command pack: officers, RTO, runner
SAS - mixed weapons
Sniper
Mortar 81mm
SAM: Blowpipe/Stinger
ATWG: Milan
RR 120mm Wombat
Tank: Scorpion
Tanks: Scimitar
Artillery: 105mm + crew
Transport: Landies & Snowcats!
Argentine:
Infantry as above really -but helmeted
Support: RR 90mm & 105mm
Support: Mortar 81mm & 120mm
AA: - there's a few here...but most important are Blowpipe & Roland
Artillery: 105mm & 155mm + crew
Transport: LVTP-7
Plus all the helos...
Cheers for that Nik, I'll print it off tomorrow and talk to the boss! 8)
sounds about right to me. Naval-history.net provides the following data that I consider to be very sound; http://www.naval-history.net/NAVAL1982FALKLANDS.htm
Argentine forces
FALKLAND ISLANDS - commanded by Major General Menendez.
GROUND FORCES included:
3rd Mechanised Inf Brigade (Major General Omar Parada with 4th, 5th, 8th and 12th Regts),
10th Motorised Inf Brigade (Major General Oscar Joffre with 3rd, 6th and 7th Regts),
Independent 25th Regt and 5th Marine Inf Btn.
Stanley & Approaches - Commander, General Joffre, 10th Bde reinforced to c8000 men from:
3rd, 4th, 6th, 7th and 25th Regts, each of c1000 men. All Motorised Inf except for 4th Inf,
5th Marine Btn, c800 men,
3rd Artillery Btn with 30x105mm and 3x155mm guns,
Armoured Car Sqdn with 12 Panhards,
181st Military Police and Intelligence Coy,
601st Anti-Aircraft Btn.
Goose Green and West Falkland under command of General Parada, 3rd Bde but based in Stanley:
GOOSE GREEN - c1000 men from 12th Inf Regt, elements 601st AA Btn, FAA elements, (later - half-bty of 3x105mm guns)
PORT HOWARD - c800 men from 5th Inf Regt and elements 9th Engineer Coy,
FOX BAY - c900 men from 8th Motorised Inf Regt and elements 9th Engineer Coy.
AIRCRAFT STRENGTH (losses to 20th May in brackets):
Navy - 5 MB.339's (1 MB.339 and 4 Mentors lost)
Coast Guard - 1 Puma (2 Skyvan)
Army - 2 Chinook, 4 Puma, 3 Agusta, 9 Iroquois (1 Puma)
Air Force - 15 Pucara, 2 Bell, 2 Chinook (9 Pucara)
British forces
3 Commando Brigade Royal Marines
Infantry - 40, 42 and 45 Cdo RM (M Coy 42 Cdo to South Georgia, replaced later by newly-formed J Coy 42 Cdo)
Artillery - 29 Cdo Regt RA with Nos 7, 8 and 79 Bty's each of 6x105mm artillery and 148 Cdo Forward Observation Bty RA for naval gunfire observation
Combat engineers - 59 Independent Cdo Sqdn RE
Logistics - Commando Logistics Regt RM
Helicopters - 3 Cdo Bde Air Squadron RM with nine Gazelle AH.1's and six Scout AH.1's (two RM Gazelles and one Scout were lost)
HQ & Communications - Brigade HQ and Signal Sqdn including 1st Raiding Sqdn equipped with rigid raiders and Gemini assault craft and an Air Defence Troop with 12xBlowpipe SAM's
In medium range reconnaissance role - Mountain and Arctic Warfare (Training) Cadre
Raiding and reconnaissance - 3 Sections, Special Boat Squadron (No.2 Section to South Georgia),
Other units - included:
Tactical Air Control Parties RM for directing air strikes
Y Signals Troop RM
Commando Forces Band RM for medical duties
Two Royal Navy Surgical Support Teams
Army Reinforcements, including:
Infantry - 2nd and 3rd Battalions The Parachute Regiment each with one HQ, three rifle, one patrol and one support company
Light armour - B Sqdn, The Blues and Royals with four Scorpion and four Scimitar light tanks and one Samson recovery vehicle
Air defence - T Bty, 12 Air Defence Regt with 12xRapier SAM's
Helicopters - 656 AAC Sqdn with a flight of three Scout AH.1's
Raiding and reconnaissance - D and G Sqdns, 22nd SAS Regt (D Sqdn initially to South Georgia)
Attached to 2 Para -
29 Bty, 4 Field Regt RA with 6x105mm guns
Troop each from:
43 Air Defence Bty
32 Guided Weapons Regt RA with Blowpipe
9 Para Sqdn RE
16 Field Ambulance RAMC
Explosive ordnance disposal - from 49 EOD Sqdn RE (and EOD Team RAF)
Other units - included:
Forward Observation Officer parties from 4 Field Regt RA
Tactical Air Control parties
Units from:
Postal and Courier Regt RE
Rear Link Detachments Royal Signals
81 Ordnance Coy RAOC
Mexeflote detachment 17 Port Regt RCT
5th infantry brigade
Brigade infantry was provided by the
1st Battalion, 7th Duke of Edinburgh's Own Gurkha Rifles
together with two Guards battalions - 1st Welsh and 2nd Scots transferred to 5th Infantry to replace 2 and 3 Para.
Before sailing, they trained for two weeks near Sennybridge in Wales in terrain similar to the Falklands.
Support came from a variety of arms and units, some of which were already represented in 3 Cdo Bde:
Artillery - HQ and 97 Bty, 4 Field Regt RA with 6x105mm guns
Air defence - one troop of 43 Air Defence Bty, 32 Guided Weapons Regt RA with Blowpipe SAM's
Combat engineers - 36 Engineer Regt RE and 9 Parachute Sqdn RE
Helicopters - 656 AAC Sqdn with 3 Scout AH.1's and 6 Gazelle AH.1's (one Gazelle was lost)
HQ and Communications - Brigade HQ and Signal Sqdn with Rear Link Detachments Royal Signals
Other units included, complete or in part -
407 Road Transport Troop RCT with Snowcats
16 Field Ambulance RAMC
81 and 91 Ordnance Coy and 421 Explosive Ordnance Disposal Coy RAOC
10 Field Workshop REME
160 Provost
Good man - don't forget to tell him that I'd likely do this in 1:1 & therefore buy a boatload ;)
Helos - you're looking at:
Brit: Westland Scout, Gazelle, Wessex, Sea King, Chinook
Argie: Agusta A109, Huey, Puma, Chinook
Aircraft:
Brit: Harrier GR3
Argie: Skyhawk, Pucara
Ah yes -missed the Argie A/C: Panhard AML-90!
Good god sir, what have we started?! 8) Damned exciting stuff this, all I need to do know is sell of a few body parts that I am sure I can do without and by the time the stitches heal the range will be ready!!!
not forgetting
Argie special forces or marines in wooly hats with a mixture of SLRs and silenced sterlings.
Jim
Right then, I've printed off the lists of everything. Like I said before, all our designers are tied up at the moment, but it does seem like there would be some interest in this range, so leave it with us and we'll see what we can do.
Fantatic!!! Many thanks for all the support for this request, I shall watch the forum and website for further updates should the project progress. ;D ;D ;D
For what it is worth I will add another vote of support for the range. If you make I will buy - I am going through something of a South American phase.
Peter W
Quote from: huascar on 14 March 2010, 09:55:47 AM
For what it is worth I will add another vote of support for the range. If you make I will buy - I am going through something of a South American phase.
Peter W
You've already tempted Dave with the Chaco War!
Quote from: Leon on 14 March 2010, 02:39:52 PM
Quote from: huascar on 14 March 2010, 09:55:47 AM
For what it is worth I will add another vote of support for the range. If you make I will buy - I am going through something of a South American phase.
Peter W
You've already tempted Dave with the Chaco War!
The America's is something of an untapped goldmine for 20th Century wargaming so the more the merrier!
Peter W
Id also be interested in gaming the falklands conflict in 10mm
Although I have a passing interest in the Falklands/Malvinas War, I do have a bigger interest in African Bush Wars - pop me down for another vote because I can always paint little dudes with berets, US helmets and FNs to represent other conflict zones...! :D
I'd be very interested in a Falklands range. Dont forget to add engineers (Hurrah for the CRE. lots of mine fields down there) to the list of codes, also at that time Brits had the furry hats (look a bit like russian hats) and all the lids would of been scrimed. They used .50 cal brownings for air def as well. The marines M&AW cadre used M16's, and the LMG was still in use by some army units (still had some of them in 87 ! not bad for a converted bren gun).
Quote from: ziparoo on 18 March 2010, 01:37:37 AM
Although I have a passing interest in the Falklands/Malvinas War, I do have a bigger interest in African Bush Wars - pop me down for another vote because I can always paint little dudes with berets, US helmets and FNs to represent other conflict zones...! :D
The lids were the old metal soup bowls for that :( with a nice pointy spike in the top. Lots of SLR's and 58 pattern webbing tho
Can I put in a vote for a Falklands war range too?
Cheers
Jules
First post and begging!
Falklands please, and lots of them!
Andy
Can I put in a vote for a Falklands war range too ;D ;D
I'll put in a vote for the Falklands campaign as well - forces are not TO big and it could be a lot of fun. I remember a few years ago playing a game using 20mm figures we, Military Miniatures, produced. We even had sheep.
"We even had sheep"
Not a Welsh guardsman by any chance :D
What do you call a sheep tied to lamp-post in Cardiff?
What do you call a sheep tied to lamp-post in Cardiff?
A leisure centre ;D
We have the same jokes about sheep in New Zealand, exchange the Welsh for Taranakiites, South Islands, people from the country. Billy Connolly once described New Zealand as a land of 3 million people and 60 million sheep - a perverts paradise. He was wrong we have 4 million people
I'd really like a Falklands range. No onedoes them in 10mm in the world at the moment and it wouldn't need to be a vast range - Inf, Marines/Paras, Argy conscripts and special forces. A handful of vehicles, - LVTP 7, Panhard A/C, Scorpion and Scimitar + BV202 should do it.
Please, please, please, please - although it'll bankrupt me as I'd was loads !!
many thanks
Rob
Necrothreadomancy:
So are the designers all still tied up and having too much fun for their own good?
All I can say is Chinooks.
Expressing interest in British for and Argie bargie game.
But der wuz only 1 Chinok, with 150 Gurkhas in it !
IanS
Quote from: Paint it Pink on 26 February 2011, 12:38:12 PM
So are the designers all still tied up and having too much fun for their own good?
One's busy with Naps and Schleswig Holstein, and the other is doing League of Augsburg, so pretty busy for both of them. As I've said elsewhere though, what we're really lacking though is vehicle designers. Only one at the moment, and he has a full-time business to run himself, so doesn't have a great deal of time to model stuff.