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Title: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: mart678 on 02 September 2013, 08:14:41 PM
Hi Everyone
these will be on the way to Dave and Leon shortly the first is for WW1 fans or VBCW at a push
Holts Artillery tractor
(http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o551/mart6678/DSC00521_zps7eb2b1a0.jpg) (http://s1147.photobucket.com/user/mart6678/media/DSC00521_zps7eb2b1a0.jpg.html)
And For WW2 Fans Italians in particular Lancia 3ro: just finishing another variant before I post it:
(http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o551/mart6678/DSC00522_zps0b50baf8.jpg) (http://s1147.photobucket.com/user/mart6678/media/DSC00522_zps0b50baf8.jpg.html)
(http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o551/mart6678/DSC00524_zps933fd021.jpg) (http://s1147.photobucket.com/user/mart6678/media/DSC00524_zps933fd021.jpg.html)
hope you like them
Martin
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: Ithoriel on 02 September 2013, 08:22:28 PM
Quote from: mart678 on 02 September 2013, 08:14:41 PM
hope you like them
Martin

I like them!
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: fred. on 02 September 2013, 08:28:49 PM
The holt tractor is funky - how close to the front where these used?

On the lorry, I'm sure I have filed off the ridge along the top of tarpaulin covers in the past - now it seems they were intentional, doh.

Is that some stowage pieces as well?
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: marshall1945 on 02 September 2013, 08:32:16 PM
love the truck - will definitely be on my order list when they are available!
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: mart678 on 02 September 2013, 08:39:00 PM
Not to sure how close to the front the Holt was used  but France used them in Africa? as well and I think we used them in Palestine ?
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: Fenton on 02 September 2013, 08:46:57 PM
I say there rather jolly
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 02 September 2013, 08:59:31 PM
Great stuff sir.
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: petercooman on 02 September 2013, 09:21:37 PM
Good job!
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: Ithoriel on 02 September 2013, 10:28:27 PM
If I remember correctly, the Holt tractors (there were at least a couple of types) were used to haul the big guns - 8 and 9 inchers. Used by the Brits and the French and possibly the Americans. I'd assume they'd be back from the front line but hauling guns forward during a push (and back in a retreat!).

Edit: I should have just looked this up first and posted the link - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holt_tractor

Still, nice to see I was pretty much right. Looks like the model is a Holt 120?
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on 02 September 2013, 10:46:53 PM
Hello

Very nice especially the Lancia truck. I can see this being used not only in the Italian theatres of war but anywhere where a generic 1930s truck is needed, Gangsters, Back of Beyond, VBCW, etc. Looking forward to them.

Cheers

GrumpyOlfMan
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: Techno on 03 September 2013, 07:38:07 AM
Great stuff Mart !
Cheers - Phil.
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: Hertsblue on 03 September 2013, 08:03:33 AM
Yes, the truck looks very useful and I love the detailing on both models.
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: mart678 on 03 September 2013, 09:00:53 AM
Thank you gentlemen I will put the other version of the Lancia on later hopefully and THANKS PHIL aka Techno for the tips on what tools to use for sculpting,

Martin
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: Steve J on 03 September 2013, 10:19:32 AM
Really like the truck. Great job 8).
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 03 September 2013, 11:18:08 AM
Similar vehicles to the Holt were used for the same purpose by both the Austrians and Germans. Tactically I suspect that once the beasts were emplaced the tractors would be sent back to shuttle up the huge quantities of ammunition used - so it could be anywhere between railhead and gun site.

IanS
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: fsn on 03 September 2013, 04:14:59 PM
Put me down for some of those Lancias.

Will they be available in October?   O:-)
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: Leon on 03 September 2013, 04:30:53 PM
Quote from: fsn on 03 September 2013, 04:14:59 PM
Will they be available in October?   O:-)

Probably not, so you'll need to get a new signature picture sorted for those...  :D
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: fsn on 03 September 2013, 04:54:17 PM
As a serious question, what are the steps involved in getting a something on the market? I know very little about the process, but there does seem to be a lot of juggling of moulds, masters  and casting dwarves.

How long from concept to photo on the site?

(Answer in 1000 words or less in black ink. Show all workings.  10 marks.)
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 03 September 2013, 05:03:27 PM
 =O =O =O =O =O =D>
Quote from: Leon on 03 September 2013, 04:30:53 PM
Probably not, so you'll need to get a new signature picture sorted for those...  :D
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: Leon on 03 September 2013, 06:18:54 PM
Quote from: fsn on 03 September 2013, 04:54:17 PM
As a serious question, what are the steps involved in getting a something on the market? I know very little about the process, but there does seem to be a lot of juggling of moulds, masters  and casting dwarves.

How long from concept to photo on the site?

(Answer in 1000 words or less in black ink. Show all workings.  10 marks.)

It really depends on what it is, but the basic process is:

Figure sculpted ---> put into master mould ---> master castings produced ---> production mould made ---> figure goes on sale.

The delays come about for a variety of reasons. 

- Any masters which contain plastic need a low-temp mould producing, so we send those down to our friends at Kallistra to do, and we need to have a full mould's worth before we can do that, so we sometimes end up waiting on more masters to fill one.

- Similarly, we need enough masters to fill a regular mould, although it's very rare we don't have enough here!

- The master castings need to be checked over and sometimes need puttying or small repairs to them.

- We also do a lot of moulds and casting for other companies, so this can delay our own stuff when we've got a lot on for someone else.

- Plus all the general day-to-day stuff, and not having the spare time to get things prepped, cast off for the production moulds, blackwashed or photo'd for the website.

8)
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: Fenton on 03 September 2013, 06:21:43 PM
You get at least one mark for putting your name at the top..


Can I ask what other companies you cast for?
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: fsn on 03 September 2013, 07:04:20 PM
Thank you for that. My question was genuinely one of interest in the process. Whatever I whinge about the c-word, there are no complaints.

What's the "size" of a regular mould? Presumably it can take more single figures than say limbers? Presumably the moulds also need to be themed? You couldn't put a set of Byzantine cataphracts with a T35, 'cos you'd have to cast them at the same time?

As I say, I am genuinely ignorant of the process (and I think I have demonstrated that) and am interested in the mechanics of it all.
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: UZero on 03 September 2013, 07:27:57 PM
Quote from: fsn on 03 September 2013, 07:04:20 PM
As I say, I am genuinely ignorant of the process (and I think I have demonstrated that) and am interested in the mechanics of it all.

I was lucky enough to visit the Citadel factory in about '84 and watched them spinning some of the figures up - still have the dwarf with blunderbus dressed in safari jacket and pith helmet that had been cast. Fascinating process.
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: Leon on 03 September 2013, 07:50:07 PM
Quote from: Fenton on 03 September 2013, 06:21:43 PM
Can I ask what other companies you cast for?

The contract casting side is a separate company, and our main contract customer is Warfare Miniatures, who produce the fantastic 28mm League of Augsburg range, sculpted by the rather talented Clibinarium.  We also do work for Colonel Bill's, Burns Miniatures, Eagle Figures, and occasionally Mutineer Miniatures.  On top of that, we did all the moulding and casting for the Oathsworn Dwarf's which were on Kickstarter recently: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/oathsworn/oathsworn-heroes-of-the-dwarfs (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/oathsworn/oathsworn-heroes-of-the-dwarfs)  Those ones are exceptional sculpts, although casting up the 6400 Dwarf's was fun!

There's a few other odds and ends, but those are the main ones.

Quote from: fsn on 03 September 2013, 07:04:20 PM
What's the "size" of a regular mould? Presumably it can take more single figures than say limbers? Presumably the moulds also need to be themed? You couldn't put a set of Byzantine cataphracts with a T35, 'cos you'd have to cast them at the same time?

The moulds are all 9" in diameter, and you can fit around 35 x 10mm figures in them, and upto 16 x 28mm figures.  Other things vary depending on size, and more importantly width.  Everything is placed around a central circular sprue, so you can fit more of a march attack pose than say a firing one, because the figure takes up less space.

One day I'll get around to making a 'How's It Made' guide or something along those lines.

8)
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: fsn on 03 September 2013, 07:56:14 PM
Thank you. The "how it's made" would be very interesting.
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: O Dinas Powys on 03 September 2013, 11:06:48 PM
Quote from: fsn on 03 September 2013, 07:56:14 PM
Thank you. The "how it's made" would be very interesting.

Definitely!  :)
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on 04 September 2013, 12:26:25 AM
Quote from: mart678 on 03 September 2013, 09:00:53 AM
Thank you gentlemen I will put the other version of the Lancia on later hopefully

Looking forward to seeing the other version. One question though will the model be cast with a separate tray or will that be cast with the cab/chassis?

Cheers

GrumpyOldMan
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: Leon on 04 September 2013, 03:07:37 AM
Quote from: GrumpyOldMan on 04 September 2013, 12:26:25 AM
Looking forward to seeing the other version. One question though will the model be cast with a separate tray or will that be cast with the cab/chassis?

Most likely with the cab/chassis I'd think.  It looks like it might already be attached on the model as well.
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: fsn on 04 September 2013, 06:00:29 AM
Quote from: Leon on 03 September 2013, 07:50:07 PM
One day I'll get around to making a 'How's It Made' guide or something along those lines.

If you're too busy, here's an outfit that does "how to" videos. I think we'd all appreciate their efforts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8B9erdk0go

Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: mart678 on 04 September 2013, 09:35:13 AM
I will put a picture on later today showing the other variant and the Cab attached to the Chassis

Martin
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: Fenton on 04 September 2013, 09:40:27 AM
Quote from: fsn on 04 September 2013, 06:00:29 AM
If you're too busy, here's an outfit that does "how to" videos. I think we'd all appreciate their efforts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8B9erdk0go



these centurions are going to be superb if your going to be able to open the engine up and change the oil
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: Hertsblue on 04 September 2013, 09:47:23 AM
Particularly if you can get those three to do it for you!  ;)
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: mart678 on 04 September 2013, 09:48:30 AM
Where do I order an outfit for my Wife?  :D
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: Fenton on 04 September 2013, 09:52:55 AM
Did they fix the car...my concentration wandered for a bit, about 4 minutes of wandering to be honest
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: mart678 on 04 September 2013, 10:08:00 AM
What Car :D :D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: Orcs on 04 September 2013, 11:38:03 AM
Quote from: mart678 on 04 September 2013, 09:48:30 AM
Where do I order an outfit for my Wife?  :D

Don't be a meanie, order the maid and send the wife to a spa hotel for a couple of days!  :d :d
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: Leon on 04 September 2013, 01:19:55 PM
Quote from: fsn on 04 September 2013, 06:00:29 AM
If you're too busy, here's an outfit that does "how to" videos. I think we'd all appreciate their efforts.

I'm not sure Dave would have quite the same appeal in his French maids outfit...  :-\ :o
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: fsn on 04 September 2013, 01:34:56 PM
Don't tell him that. He thinks he looks good!
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: ronan on 04 September 2013, 02:11:07 PM
Quote from: Leon on 04 September 2013, 01:19:55 PM
I'm not sure Dave would have quite the same appeal in his French maids outfit...  :-\ :o

any pics ?

err... no !!

;)
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: mart678 on 04 September 2013, 04:44:19 PM
Change of Subject:

Hope you like this version same chassis:
(http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o551/mart6678/DSC00525_zps1fc26e52.jpg) (http://s1147.photobucket.com/user/mart6678/media/DSC00525_zps1fc26e52.jpg.html)
Front View:
(http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o551/mart6678/DSC00526_zps870b863f.jpg) (http://s1147.photobucket.com/user/mart6678/media/DSC00526_zps870b863f.jpg.html)
Enjoy
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 04 September 2013, 04:46:39 PM
That's every Italians wet dream!  ;D brilliant!
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: fsn on 04 September 2013, 04:50:26 PM
Is that a 90mm AA gun?

Sign me up for some for those as well!
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: fsn on 04 September 2013, 04:51:58 PM
Quote from: ronan on 04 September 2013, 02:11:07 PM
any pics ?

err... no !!

Do you think this would be a time when pics wouldn't sell?
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: Hertsblue on 05 September 2013, 08:11:37 AM
Superb, Martin. I thought you said you couldn't do figures?  :)
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: Dave on 05 September 2013, 06:54:03 PM
Quote from: fsn on 04 September 2013, 01:34:56 PM
Don't tell him that. He thinks he looks good!

My wife says I look good in cheap clothes 8)

Dave
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: nikharwood on 05 September 2013, 09:34:18 PM
Nicely done, Martin, nicely done  8)

Nicely instructional video too  :D
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: petercooman on 06 September 2013, 02:59:29 PM
Good job!
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: sunjester on 06 September 2013, 03:08:43 PM
Quote from: fsn on 04 September 2013, 04:50:26 PM
Is that a 90mm AA gun?

Sign me up for some for those as well!

WANTS IT, NEEDS IT, MY PRECCIOUSSSSSSSSSSS  =P~ >:<

OK Leon, this is obviously far more important than a Centurion, can it jump to the head of the queue!  :d
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 06 September 2013, 03:54:04 PM
I refer you to my previous comment on this topic gentlemen...  :-\
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: Leon on 06 September 2013, 05:11:31 PM
These have just arrived safely at Pendraken HQ, excellent models as well.  I must say, the size of the Lancia was a surprise, I hadn't realised what a beast it was!  23ft long, 10ft high, and capable of transporting a tank in the back...!

(http://oi42.tinypic.com/2a8ggue.jpg)
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: Fenton on 06 September 2013, 05:14:07 PM
Quote from: Leon on 06 September 2013, 05:11:31 PM
These have just arrived safely at Pendraken HQ, excellent models as well.  I must say, the size of the Lancia was a surprise, I hadn't realised what a beast it was!  23ft long, 10ft high, and capable of transporting a tank in the back...!

(http://oi42.tinypic.com/2a8ggue.jpg)

The postage on that will smart
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 06 September 2013, 05:15:28 PM
Wow, those will be cool.
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: sunjester on 07 September 2013, 12:07:13 AM
Quote from: Leon on 06 September 2013, 05:11:31 PM
These have just arrived safely at Pendraken HQ, excellent models as well.  I must say, the size of the Lancia was a surprise, I hadn't realised what a beast it was!  23ft long, 10ft high, and capable of transporting a tank in the back...!

Just the truck or the 90mm AA gun version as well? :-\
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: Leon on 07 September 2013, 02:30:56 AM
Truck and gun as well I think, it was Dave who opened the package...!  :-[
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: sunjester on 07 September 2013, 03:57:22 PM
Great will you have them ready by Colours? :d
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: kustenjaeger on 07 September 2013, 04:51:47 PM
Greetings

Hopefully out by Warfare then? :-)

Looking forward to the Lancia trucks and I ought to pick up one with a 90mm for future use ...

Regards

Edward

Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: Leon on 07 September 2013, 08:23:17 PM
Quote from: kustenjaeger on 07 September 2013, 04:51:47 PM
Hopefully out by Warfare then? :-)

Maybe?  It'll depend on how quickly we get them moulded, and what else is in the queue.

8)
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: mart678 on 10 September 2013, 10:17:55 AM
Hi all

The Italian Tank I am working on does fit in the back of the Lancia model

regards
Martin
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: Hertsblue on 11 September 2013, 09:09:17 AM
Quote from: mart678 on 10 September 2013, 10:17:55 AM
Hi all

The Italian Tank I am working on does fit in the back of the Lancia model

regards
Martin

Do you also have a version of the Lancia with its rear wheels right down on its shocks?  :D
Title: Re: New Masters for WW1 and 2 fans
Post by: Nick the Lemming on 03 December 2013, 01:01:42 PM
Nice lorry! Could do with some more "plain clothes" ordinary vans and lorries for VBCW though. ;)