Hello
This is a new era for me, and I read several things about light infantry. I'm not sure how they were used, although I understand they were not line infantry ;)
According to Might and Reason, they were "irregular" and did fight in towns, woods etc. ( simplification ), and I will use those irregulars units. That's Ok for me.
But how should I base them ?
- Several Jaegers in loose order ?
- A 1st rank of jaegers, and a second rank of musketeers ? ( as I read on kronoskaf )
Thank your for your advice.
The ones I've seen on here and in display games have always been based separately, usually in irregular formations. Whether that's historically accurate though, I have no idea! :D
Quote from: ronan on 27 July 2013, 10:43:27 AM
- A 1st rank of jaegers, and a second rank of musketeers ? ( as I read on kronoskaf )
Hi Ronan,
Can you point me to the Kronoskaf article you are referring to, I am sure there is some confusion?
Mollinary
Quote from: mollinary on 27 July 2013, 02:49:01 PM
Hi Ronan,
Can you point me to the Kronoskaf article you are referring to, I am sure there is some confusion?
Mollinary
you may be right.. :-[
"
3 companies of musketeers (each of 126 men)
1 company of jägers (...)"
from http://www.kronoskaf.com/syw/index.php?title=Volontaires_de_Prusse (http://www.kronoskaf.com/syw/index.php?title=Volontaires_de_Prusse)
and here http://www.kronoskaf.com/syw/index.php?title=Frei-Infanterie_le_Noble (http://www.kronoskaf.com/syw/index.php?title=Frei-Infanterie_le_Noble), I read things about Fusiliers AND jaegers @-)
Quote from: Leon on 27 July 2013, 01:50:48 PM
The ones I've seen on here and in display games have always been based separately, usually in irregular formations. (...)
That's what I saw on the AAR, but it's not clear for me. ???
Thank you
Finally I decided to base this first Prussian light Infantry with a mix : jagers and fusiliers like on this pic :
(http://www.kronoskaf.com/syw/images/d/d8/Le_Noble_Frei-Infanterie_1756.jpg)
my Frei le Noble :
(http://smolensk.homelinux.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Frei_Le_Noble_10mmPendraken_1aout13.jpg)
They were engaged yesterday, and they did well ! They ambushed and fired at some french cuirassiers ! ( I was playing the french.. :'( )
That's horrible, Ronan! Did you not know they were French, too? Bet you don't make that mistake again. Nice figures, by the way.
Just to comment on the skirmisher types: IMHO, most rules don't really cater to the real value these units/troop type actually had. That is, not to produce casualties (although, that was the medium for their task) but rather to create stress and disorder upon the targeted unit. The effects of that is not well presented as most rules are based upon the number of casuakties produced and not really the effects. See (in your favorite set of rules you use) how little chance you have of damaging a unit using skirmishers.
Well, that's my take and your mileage may vary. I will soon order some Austrian Grenz for my army. that should help scare my opponent away from wanting to fight in the woods that secures my flank (I hope).
Good gaming!
Quote from: notabot-Tom on 14 August 2013, 10:45:14 PM
That's horrible, Ronan! Did you not know they were French, too? Bet you don't make that mistake again. Nice figures, by the way.
Thank you. I guesses they were french with such a name.. I'm waiting for some minis to upgrade my french army.
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by the way I noticed the image from kronoscaf doesn't show well in my previous post. So this is what it should be :
(http://smolensk.homelinux.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Le_Noble_Frei-Infanterie_1756.jpg)
Quote from: notabot-Tom on 14 August 2013, 10:45:14 PM
Just to comment on the skirmisher types: IMHO, most rules don't really cater to the real value these units/troop type actually had. That is, not to produce casualties (although, that was the medium for their task) but rather to create stress and disorder upon the targeted unit. The effects of that is not well presented as most rules are based upon the number of casuakties produced and not really the effects. See (in your favorite set of rules you use) how little chance you have of damaging a unit using skirmishers.
Well, that's my take and your mileage may vary. I will soon order some Austrian Grenz for my army. that should help scare my opponent away from wanting to fight in the woods that secures my flank (I hope).
Yes you're certainly right.
But my opponent were very lucky. .. :'(
I think we NEED some light infantry, although they may be useless in some battles..
Quote from: notabot-Tom on 14 August 2013, 10:45:14 PM
Good gaming!
Thank you sir !
The Prussian jagers suffered from a succession of incompetent commanders who, when they weren't totally corrupt, like von Baader, managed to get get their unit caught in the open and wiped out, like des Grange. According to Duffy, they were never up to dealing with the Austrian Croats and they suffered badly from a lack of suitable Prussian recruits.
The free corps unit raised by Lt Col le Noble (who hailed from the Palatinate) was unlikely to have been composed of Frenchmen initially. Most of the French recruits were gained from prisoners taken at the Battle of Rossbach. Fighting quality was understandably not high.
Thank you !
In Maurice I base jaegers in 3s as opposed to the 8s of normal infantry. The main problem is that the Prussians had very few of them. Austrian Grenzers are much more useful.
Yes. I based mine only 5 instead of 6.
My british opponent may even use only 3 or 4. You're right.
The prussians don't have many ? That's good for their ennemies ! ;)
Just the one battalion.