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Wider Wargaming => Resources => Resources - Ancients to Renaissance (3000BC - 1680) => Topic started by: Druzhina on 30 May 2013, 09:20:12 AM

Title: Timurids in the 1430 copy of Jami' al-Tawarikh
Post by: Druzhina on 30 May 2013, 09:20:12 AM
Timurids in the 1430 copy of Jami' al-Tawarikh (http://warfare.atspace.eu/Persia/Timurid/Jami_al-Tawarikh-f089r-c1430.htm)
Timur Malik resists the Mongols, Jami' al-Tawarikh (http://warfare.atspace.eu/Persia/Timurid/Jami_al-Tawarikh-f089r-c1430.htm)
Battle preparations, Jami' al-Tawarikh (http://warfare.atspace.eu/Persia/Timurid/Jami_al-Tawarikh-f097v-c1430.htm)
Battle of Tchetche'er Ondur (1203), Jami' al-Tawarikh (http://warfare.atspace.eu/Persia/Timurid/Jami_al-Tawarikh-f108v-c1430.htm)
Flight of Noqai, Jami' al-Tawarikh (http://warfare.atspace.eu/Persia/Timurid/Jami_al-Tawarikh-f155v-c1430.htm)
Execution of Vazir, Jami' al-Tawarikh (http://warfare.atspace.eu/Persia/Timurid/Jami_al-Tawarikh-f159v-c1430.htm)
Caliph Al-Musta'sim Billah & his army, Jami' al-Tawarikh (http://warfare.atspace.eu/Persia/Timurid/Jami_al-Tawarikh-f179r-c1430.htm)
Siege of Baghdad (1258), Jami' al-Tawarikh (http://warfare.atspace.eu/Persia/Timurid/Mongol_siege_of_Bagdad-Jami_al-Tawarikh-c1430.htm)
Negotiations between representatives of Ghazan and Baydu, Jami' al-Tawarikh (http://warfare.atspace.eu/Persia/Timurid/Jami_al-Tawarikh-f221r-c1430.htm)
Flight of the army of Nawruz Ahmad Shaybani, Jami' al-Tawarikh (http://warfare.atspace.eu/Persia/Timurid/Jami_al-Tawarikh-f231v-c1430.htm)
Battle of Homs (1299), Jami' al-Tawarikh (http://warfare.atspace.eu/Persia/Timurid/Jami_al-Tawarikh-f236r-c1430.htm)
Mongol army reformed by Ghazan, Jami' al-Tawarikh (http://warfare.atspace.eu/Persia/Timurid/Jami_al-Tawarikh-f279v-c1430.htm)
(http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=9310&d=1369899971)

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Timurids in the 1430 copy of Jami' al-Tawarikh (http://warfare.uphero.com/Persia/Timurid/Jami_al-Tawarikh-f089r-c1430.htm)

Druzhina
Illustrations of Costume & Soldiers (http://warfare.atspace.eu/Persia/Timurid/index.htm)
Title: Re: Timurids in the 1430 copy of Jami' al-Tawarikh
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 30 May 2013, 09:40:03 AM
Beautiful
Title: Re: Timurids in the 1430 copy of Jami' al-Tawarikh
Post by: Techno on 30 May 2013, 11:47:22 AM
Will's right !

Is it because it's a copy that means the dates seem a bit odd ?
Cheers - Confused of Wales
Title: Re: Timurids in the 1430 copy of Jami' al-Tawarikh
Post by: jchaos79 on 30 May 2013, 12:38:55 PM
Those contributions are really great Druzhina, thanks for sharing
Title: Re: Timurids in the 1430 copy of Jami' al-Tawarikh
Post by: Druzhina on 30 May 2013, 11:26:35 PM
Quote from: Techno on 30 May 2013, 11:47:22 AM
Will's right !

Is it because it's a copy that means the dates seem a bit odd ?
Cheers - Confused of Wales

Yes. The illustrators of a copy of a manuscript tend to use the costume of their time and region.

Druzhina
Illustrations of Costume & Soldiers (http://warfare.likamva.in/index.htm)
Title: Re: Timurids in the 1430 copy of Jami' al-Tawarikh
Post by: Techno on 31 May 2013, 06:34:44 AM
Thanks D. :)
Cheers - Phil.
Title: Re: Timurids in the 1430 copy of Jami' al-Tawarikh
Post by: OldenBUA on 31 May 2013, 07:25:12 AM
Quote from: Druzhina on 30 May 2013, 11:26:35 PM
Yes. The illustrators of a copy of a manuscript tend to use the costume of their time and region.

In general, you have to understand that an illustrator is just that: someone who adds illustrations to a manuscript. It could be a copy of an older manuscript, or a new one, doesn't matter much. There's text, with gaps where the pictures need to go. So most (all?) illustrators complete the pictures based on what they themselves have seen. NOT the pictures in the original manuscript!

I could also be that a manuscript has different illustrators, as they sometimes specialize. One does the big page-filling ones, another the smaller ones in the text, a third the initials/capitals. At least that's the case for Western medieval manuscripts.
Title: Re: Timurids in the 1430 copy of Jami' al-Tawarikh
Post by: Druzhina on 31 May 2013, 08:50:39 AM
Quote from: OldenBUA on 31 May 2013, 07:25:12 AM
I could also be that a manuscript has different illustrators, as they sometimes specialize. One does the big page-filling ones, another the smaller ones in the text, a third the initials/capitals. At least that's the case for Western medieval manuscripts.

In Mughal miniatures the best painter does all the faces.

Druzhina
Illustrations of Costume & Soldiers (http://warfare.co.nf/index.htm)