http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440004a&prodId=prod2050037a#.UXsM4ATbksA.facebook
£94, hope that's painted!
Only now? Thought that was the nature of the beast.
I doubt it...I worked it out at approx 705 10mm for the same price
94 quid for a box of pixies.
Who buys this c**p.
I suppose most of the children of city bankers do.
jim
That is taking the p*ss! And I noticed a bit about whilst stock last :o.
£4.47 per plastic figure.
I'd say that's certainly an epic example of urine extraction.
It gets better too.
£130 for 8 models. http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440005a&prodId=prod1930002a (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440005a&prodId=prod1930002a)
:o
Forge world seem immune either
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/OR__COMMAND_SET.html
I was a bit worried there for a second, I thought the value of Sterling must have crashed. False alarm.
These are "normal" GW prices. I am sure Leon and Daving have preordered some Champagne (Volvic to be precise) to celebrate the latest nonsense from Nottingham.
94 effing quid for 41 resin Shicecast lumps of crap (pardon my English)!!!!! Not to mention the "Repair Kit" you are supposed to buy to actually put the minis into the state they should be delivered in!
Approximately 5 quid in casting cost for those (I assume GW can buy a good Resin at roughly 1/3 of the price I can). But I was faster than you, I placed a Minibit order on Thursday :D . Would have been here today if the mailman had come :-\
BUT you have to remember that they produce the finest miniatures in the world..........................
Unfortunatly they are the market leaders (in pricing at least) and when Joe Bloggs starts casting his lumps of sh*te sorry, finely detailed minis, he thinks thats the price he should be asking. GW is single-handedly driving 28mm gaming into the deck, £4.47 for a plastic foot figure, thats insane, I can get 2 Nuns mounted on a Harley in metal for that.
GW will never see another of my pennies. :D :D :D :D That thought makes me a happy bunny.
Maybe these are the motorized ones that can march for themselves and are full of nano technology and all nice and....... oh wait they are failcast.
Never mind ;D
This makes me sad. Nothing says ripp off more then 21 plastic soldiers for double the price i pay to fill my car's tank for a month.
You can fill your tank for a month for £45?!
where can i get the fuel you're buying! ;D
Quote from: Luddite on 27 April 2013, 06:28:46 PM
You can fill your tank for a month for £45?!
where can i get the fuel you're buying! ;D
Well, i drive a small car ( chevrolet spark) and i actually only use my car to go to work (22 km there and back :D ) and go gaming about 15km away from home. If it wasn't for all the damn traffic jams on the way all the time, i bet i could make it last longer. Fuel in belgium costs about 1,68 €/liter, don't know what it costs there...
:D :D :D
Regards the topic of this thread.......YES....But hasn't it been going on for a long time.
Unbelievable !! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Cheers - Phil.
Quote from: Techno on 27 April 2013, 06:53:32 PM
Regards the topic of this thread.......YES....But hasn't it been going on for a long time.
Unbelievable !!
Cheers - Phil.
Yes. As I said, only
now? It has always been the nature of the GW beast as far as I am aware. I remember 60p a mini when that was a fortune.
Must be the highest cost per figure of any company, give me £94 quids worth of pendraken anytime, and more detail.
Pocket money has gone up since i was a lad ;D,
kev
The evil empire :d
The Evil Empire II - Warlord Games and £120 for some bocage sections :d
Since FOW apparently 99% of WW2 was fought in the bocage countryside.
One of the reasons I love the Russian Steppe is that i Can buy my entire battlefield for £20 worth of teddy bear fur
Quote from: Nosher on 27 April 2013, 08:37:59 PM
The evil empire :d
The Evil Empire II - Warlord Games and £120 for some bocage sections :d
Since FOW apparently 99% of WW2 was fought in the bocage countryside.
One of the reasons I love the Russian Steppe is that i Can buy my entire battlefield for £20 worth of teddy bear fur
My god! They fought in Russia??? That's not stated in the normandy sourcebook!!! =P~ =P~ 8-} 8-} 8-} :O)
That's just ridiculous. We've mentioned this in previous discussions, but they have such a lack of originality now, that all they can do is produce higher priced models and hope people buy them. Profit margins may increase, but actual sales will go down. Once the Hobbit surge has expired, where do they go next? I'm surprised they haven't managed to get their claws into Game of Thrones yet.
Actually, with all the successful Kickstarters we've seen in the past year, Reaper, Dwarf Forge, Mantic, why isn't someone at GW headquarters looking at these idea's and looking to produce something similar? The latest Mantic one with modular Sci-Fi terrain would be an easy area for GW to get into with their spending power. If you don't have the ability to come up with the idea's yourself, at least follow the trends to try and claim a share of the market.
=)
Quote from: Leon on 27 April 2013, 09:46:03 PM
That's just ridiculous. We've mentioned this in previous discussions, but they have such a lack of originality now, that all they can do is produce higher priced models and hope people buy them. Profit margins may increase, but actual sales will go down. Once the Hobbit surge has expired, where do they go next? I'm surprised they haven't managed to get their claws into Game of Thrones yet.
Actually, with all the successful Kickstarters we've seen in the past year, Reaper, Dwarf Forge, Mantic, why isn't someone at GW headquarters looking at these idea's and looking to produce something similar? The latest Mantic one with modular Sci-Fi terrain would be an easy area for GW to get into with their spending power. If you don't have the ability to come up with the idea's yourself, at least follow the trends to try and claim a share of the market.
=)
Leon: Price rise in 2008 or 2009 15%, Sales increase 1 %.
ANY sane businessman would be wondering HOW they can loose so much sales. It is not only the price! Recent prise rise seen a moderate rise in sales with TWO major releases. That is BAD!
Now if you are actually one of the "we are the hobby" non-entities from Nottingham you SHOULD wonder even more. You should because your CEO announced your product is non-sensitive to price (which means no matter what the price it will be sold). If such was the case - the notion as such is insane in itself btw. - then why did you loose sales?
Secondly a CEO that announces in an annual general meeting that 25 % of his customers buy any sh.t at any price and he does not give a flying f.ck (sic!) about the rest should be relieved of his position immediately.
The truth is GW is trying hard to drive gamers out of the stores, make their stores supermarkets (come, buy, pay, leave FAST!). The price rises do not realise any positive effect anymore, stores are not that well visited, it all comes up to one thing:
GW IS LOOSING SALES! MASSIVELY!
I have come back to gaming after 10 years abstinence in 2008. From 2010 on I have been p.ssed of by this company in Nottingham like in the period between 1989 - 1998. 2 years vs 9 years.
Since 2011 I can say I have replaced any good product (yes some stuff IS good but overpriced) with cheaper and better alternatives. Colours of all sorts now come from Pendraken, so do the brushes and the Sand / Textures etc. Don't forget the bases! The only thing I still buy local is the glue (I have connections :d ).
The quality of my supplies has gone up massively.
The quality of the minis I buy : ditto! I only buy from people I like :-[ (sorry Leon there are some others)
Quality of my gaming experience? Has gone up as well. People outside 40K / WHFB are nicer, more relaxed and, face it, as a minority generally happy to find a gaming buddy. No powergaming, no "it must be like this we are the hobby crap". Simply fun.
In 2010 I was angry at those prices, bought some Pendraken figures :D was happy.
In 2013 I see the prices in Nottingham, I shake my head laughing, still buy Pendraken figures and am happy. 8)
Anyone remember White Dwarf magazine pre-GW?
Used to be worth reading.
Yes, especially this:
The contents page of White Dwarf 77 (May 1986) contained a coded message by the then editor Ian Marsh, who made the description of each item spell out "S O D O F F B R Y A N A N S E L L" This was due to a protest against the changes Ansell had demanded of the magazine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sod-off-bryan-ansell.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sod-off-bryan-ansell.png)
I'm not sure if we've discussed this particular aspect before, (I think we have actually) BUT......
Are they working on the basis that they know they have certain (obviously) extremely wealthy customers who will pay ANY price for the 'kudos' of owning the figures..... for simple bragging rights and 'one-upmanship'
After the initial (feeble) sales they can drop the price to something approaching 'normality' and make them seem like a bargain.
What disappoints me most is the lack of originality in the models as has already been mentioned.
They look SO similar in pose to some Warmaster (tm :P) Dark Elf 'strips' I made about 9 years ago for them....Which were completed as far as I was concerned..They then moved the goalposts for the umpteenth time, and I politely told them to forget it.
Those are still gathering dust in a box....Sadly of no use to Leon, because they're really too small for the PD fantasy range.
There's a limit 'pose wise' with what you can do with little 'spearmen' in metal.....But plastics ?
These aren't just massively overpriced....They're so DULL.
Each time this topic comes up.....It never fails to take my breath away. :o
Will's note above.....
I believe.....
That was really down to the fact that the WD 'headquarters' was moved from London to Nottingham, and was a final protest from the London bods who didn't want to relocate to Notts.
Cheers - Phil.
Quote from: fsn on 28 April 2013, 07:10:07 AM
Anyone remember White Dwarf magazine pre-GW?
Used to be worth reading.
yes. And I've still got some of them !
Issue 53 - Battle of Minas Tirith for Warhammer 1st Edition has a LOT to answer for!
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv182/Quendil_photos/LOTR/WD53Cover.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic%3D43918.0&h=1023&w=738&sz=462&tbnid=xOnk0pJaeUHKIM:&tbnh=114&tbnw=82&zoom=1&usg=__KfC5e2jk_7WXoq3Z4smxuWXzGTc=&docid=vqhprC1bNtvNhM&sa=X&ei=T9R8UYaUN8qI0AWUr4GYBA&ved=0CEIQ9QEwBA&dur=188 (http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv182/Quendil_photos/LOTR/WD53Cover.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic%3D43918.0&h=1023&w=738&sz=462&tbnid=xOnk0pJaeUHKIM:&tbnh=114&tbnw=82&zoom=1&usg=__KfC5e2jk_7WXoq3Z4smxuWXzGTc=&docid=vqhprC1bNtvNhM&sa=X&ei=T9R8UYaUN8qI0AWUr4GYBA&ved=0CEIQ9QEwBA&dur=188)
Quote from: fsn on 28 April 2013, 07:10:07 AM
Anyone remember White Dwarf magazine pre-GW?
Used to be worth reading.
Nobody remembers White Dwarf pre-GW, it was always produced by them.
And it was always a bit of a house magazine. In the early days you got lots of articles about games produced by other companies, but they were usually games imported or distributed by GW.
My alternative ending to Carry On GW that I did for the GW Rant post.
(http://www.michaelscott.name/10mm/forum/GW-habit.jpg)
Cheers, Michael
;D ;D ;D
Very good Michael ;D ;D ;D. I'm just so happy that Mr Harwood introduced me to the 10mm and Pendraken :D.
Quote from: Techno on 28 April 2013, 07:24:35 AM
I'm not sure if we've discussed this particular aspect before, (I think we have actually) BUT......
Are they working on the basis that they know they have certain (obviously) extremely wealthy customers who will pay ANY price for the 'kudos' of owning the figures..... for simple bragging rights and 'one-upmanship'
After the initial (feeble) sales they can drop the price to something approaching 'normality' and make them seem like a bargain.
What disappoints me most is the lack of originality in the models as has already been mentioned.
They look SO similar in pose to some Warmaster (tm :P) Dark Elf 'strips' I made about 9 years ago for them....Which were completed as far as I was concerned..They then moved the goalposts for the umpteenth time, and I politely told them to forget it.
Those are still gathering dust in a box....Sadly of no use to Leon, because they're really too small for the PD fantasy range.
There's a limit 'pose wise' with what you can do with little 'spearmen' in metal.....But plastics ?
These aren't just massively overpriced....They're so DULL.
Each time this topic comes up.....It never fails to take my breath away. :o
Will's note above.....
I believe.....
That was really down to the fact that the WD 'headquarters' was moved from London to Nottingham, and was a final protest from the London bods who didn't want to relocate to Notts.
Cheers - Phil.
As always a pleasure to read this Phil.
Lack of originality? How can they. Uniformity is what they aim for!
How so some of you may ask? Well, they are "the hobby" - nothing else exists beside them (yes we all know better than that but there are poor souls who don't).
Have a look at Mantic Games Elves. Critics keep argueing they are too thin. NO FFS THEY ARE NOT! GWs elfs are the obese ones!
GW has, justly so I believe, achieved a dominating position in the market BUT for a number of years is now abusing their monopoly.
Extremely wealthy customers? Strange I always assume they aimed for the lower end of society as they are easier to influence. Please correct me but the son of a wealthy lawyer, government official... (you name it) would face a severe telling off if his ancestors find out their offspring is mixing with lower class people (no offense, I am one of them I guess).
In my Master we have learned that in a monopoly/ oligopoly your sales volume is not very sensitive to changes in price. In plain english you need to change the prices a lot to achieve higher or lower market share. Hence Price wars do not make sense. GW no interprets this as they can get away from loosing too many players by slowly moving the prices up.
Yet there is a significant error in this thinking. At some point - I hope it is not too far off - the prices have reached a certain level players are no longer willing to pay. The problem is the resulting move away from GW to other hobbies/ systems will not come in a trickling effect but in an avalanche! Has always been the case in other industries and will eb the case for GW. Another problem is that their targeted customers are not collectors and serious gamers, no it is 13 year old who prefer video games over building, painting and THEN playing their Marines or whatever they got.
As said before I have now successfully moved away from GW and should I need another set of pliers some day I will buy it somewhere else. The tool GW offers in this instance is great but I know what the original model is called and know whom to ask where to buy it.
GW may not be interested that they lost me as a customer. Maybe they do not care about all of us here on the forum BUT I believe at one point they will care becuase this move is visible across many forae and many gaming communities already.
Quote from: sebigboss79 on 29 April 2013, 10:26:32 AM
As said before I have now successfully moved away from GW and should I need another set of pliers some day I will buy it somewhere else. The tool GW offers in this instance is great but I know what the original model is called and know whom to ask where to buy it.
Share! Share! Share!
It is called "a Knippex" in Germany. Basically anyone in electrics will be able to tell you where to get a decent one for the job at hand.
Problem is, you will possibly only buy one in yoir life as they are indestructible.
possibly would go for those:
http://www.knipex.com/index.php?id=1216&L=1&page=group_detail&parentID=1336&groupID=1337
@Leon/Mods if that Link is not appropriate here please delete.
Quote from: sebigboss79 on 29 April 2013, 12:25:16 PM
@Leon/Mods if that Link is not appropriate here please delete.
No worries, always good to learn new sources for stuff!
The clippers we use ourselves are Zuron, which are from the States I believe. They've got a slight offset where the blades meet, so instead of having to slice straight together and compact the metal, they're able to shear through instead and make the process easier on the hands (which is appreciated when you're clipping thousands of times a day!). They're pretty durable as well, we replace them every 5 years or so I think.
8)
:-\ have to check those out as I experience immense "Schwarzeneggerism" when clipping. One can always have a third pair of clippers... 8)
Quote from: sebigboss79 on 29 April 2013, 05:49:01 PM
:-\ have to check those out as I experience immense "Schwarzeneggerism" when clipping. One can always have a third pair of clippers... 8)
I stock one of the Xuron types myself through Minibits, which use a similar shear method. They're not the exact ones we use, as they've got a slightly shorter nose on them, but same method and slightly cheaper!
http://www.minibits.net/TL8-p804/ (http://www.minibits.net/TL8-p804/)
Seen and taken a mental note. :D
LOOK GW THIS IS HOW YOU MAKE SALES!!!!!
No the GW method is to bulk buy them, stick a skull or two on them plus their logo and charge 5 times the price.
If it was just 5 times no one would complain :-\
I think these maybe old metal stock that they are trying to pass off. I asked a chap I know who used to work at GW heres what he said
"The ones in the link are not plastic, they are the metal models from about 14 years ago.
The only plastic swordmasters are in the current starter set for WFB.
I suspect GW are trying to shift excess metal stock ahead of releasing a plastic kit, probably in a later wave of H/elf releases. Hopefully they've realised that simply chucking unwanted metal mini's into the skip after getting someone to whack them with a hammer so they aren't useable isn't very cost effective (yes, really, this is what was done with old stock returned to HQ when I worked there. Ask Jim).
The character dude with them is a new release plastic model.
£4.10 though for a godaweful swordmaster sculpted by Gary Morley in the mid 1990's is a bit bloody rich though, metal or not."
They dont melt them down again?
probably a dumb question but Im astounded if they just throw them away.
I'm guessing wildly....But it's possibly down to whatever alloy was used to produce any figures over a few years old.
Have the regulations changed in what can be used in 'white metal' ?
Leon would know. :)
Cheers - Phil.
Imagine getting caught hammering an elf.
Quote from: WeeWars on 30 April 2013, 02:22:10 PM
Imagine getting caught hammering an elf.
If she was hot.... 8)
but: Yes to metal and changing legislation.
NO: These figs are Shicecast (the worst resin available, poured into moulds designed for METAL figures, sold at four times the price they would cost WITH QC, removing QC and seinding out to buyers what Leon would immediately discard as trash).