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Title: VBCW 10mm - artistic licence allowed with uniforms?
Post by: ryman1 on 18 March 2013, 02:20:17 PM
Just noticed the coppers on the VBCW range and it got me wondering, as civil wars often sprout a plethora of mix and match uniforms (foreign backers aid supplies, local industry chipping in, old warehouses raided etc), would other unrelated ranges be viable for use alongside the dedicated ones?
To clarify, would it be possible to use say: colonial british or picklehaube germans to represent a recently raised and equipped unit of the constabulary?
Or even the spanish civil war and boer figures to represent mercenaries/local militia with a frustrated fashion designer as a colonel?

I understand VBCW is a work in progress and the official line takes a lot of inspiration from the gamers/collectors so I'm just throwing the thought out there to get an idea of what's acceptable in what seems to be an evolving theme.
I think 10mm would be forgiving, any thoughts?

cheers

Ry

Title: Re: VBCW 10mm - artistic licence allowed with uniforms?
Post by: philv on 18 March 2013, 02:35:00 PM
Since it is a fictional war is up to you. There are no experts to nit pick and say " The BUF militia never wore those helmets" If it looks good to you then use them. You could say that the out of date uniforms were siezed from a mueseum or that the commander of that unit wanted to equip his men in the uniform he wore in his youth.
Title: Re: VBCW 10mm - artistic licence allowed with uniforms?
Post by: Steve J on 18 March 2013, 02:45:26 PM
Use anything that takes your fancy!
Title: Re: VBCW 10mm - artistic licence allowed with uniforms?
Post by: Fenton on 18 March 2013, 03:27:35 PM
Go for what you want I reckon, in 1914/1915 the first of the volunteer units  after the khaki ran out were dressed in old post office blue uniforms, same would probably happen in a VBCW campaign..Didnt lthe local commanders in the ECW dress the troops in what uniforms they wanted and what was available at the time?
Title: Re: VBCW 10mm - artistic licence allowed with uniforms?
Post by: ryman1 on 18 March 2013, 04:00:44 PM
Thanks for the replies chaps, that's just what I was hoping for, much appreciated.
Now off to the drawing board.

cheers :-bd
Title: Re: VBCW 10mm - artistic licence allowed with uniforms?
Post by: Steve J on 18 March 2013, 04:16:50 PM
I've used WWI Brits and Germans as well as quite a bit from the SCW and AVBCW ranges for the troops. Vehicles wise again pretty much the same again.
Title: Re: VBCW 10mm - artistic licence allowed with uniforms?
Post by: nikharwood on 18 March 2013, 08:16:51 PM
Yep - likewise, a real mix of everything in my forces:

The Royalist Yeomanry: http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5005.0.html

BUF: http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4541.0.html

Brigands: http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4499.0.html

If you're after some thoughts on force composition (and lists for BKC II) then you might want to have a look at the collaborative efforts of myself, SteveJ & TinyTerrain (Craig) - here: https://sites.google.com/site/avbcwstormcloudsgather/
Title: Re: VBCW 10mm - artistic licence allowed with uniforms?
Post by: mart678 on 18 March 2013, 08:43:15 PM
Hi ryman1
I know they are a bit later but I have uniform and flag detail for the Free Wales Army (1960's) But you could use them for Welsh Nationalist in the 30's who inlike there 60's counterparts where Right Wing not Left

Martin
Title: Re: VBCW 10mm - artistic licence allowed with uniforms?
Post by: Techno on 19 March 2013, 07:28:14 AM
Quote from: mart678 on 18 March 2013, 08:43:15 PM
I know they are a bit later but I have uniform and flag detail for the Free Wales Army (1960's) But you could use them for Welsh Nationalist in the 30's who inlike there 60's counterparts where Right Wing not Left

I await Ian's comment on that with interest Mart ! ;) ;D
Cheers - Phil.
Title: Re: VBCW 10mm - artistic licence allowed with uniforms?
Post by: ryman1 on 19 March 2013, 08:37:21 AM
Quote from: nikharwood on 18 March 2013, 08:16:51 PM
Yep - likewise, a real mix of everything in my forces:

The Royalist Yeomanry: http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5005.0.html

BUF: http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4541.0.html

Brigands: http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4499.0.html

If you're after some thoughts on force composition (and lists for BKC II) then you might want to have a look at the collaborative efforts of myself, SteveJ & TinyTerrain (Craig) - here: https://sites.google.com/site/avbcwstormcloudsgather/


That's just what I was looking for, the storm clouds gather pages are an ideal starting point, and full of inventive inspiration, cheers nick.

Title: Re: VBCW 10mm - artistic licence allowed with uniforms?
Post by: Sean Clark on 19 March 2013, 09:46:27 AM
Any early 20th century kit is good, especially the more ragtag looking like SCW militia, Russian partizan and civilian types.

I do fancy doing this myself but whem I dont know  :(

So many projects, so little time.

Sean
Title: Re: VBCW 10mm - artistic licence allowed with uniforms?
Post by: Steve J on 19 March 2013, 09:59:09 AM
Glad the 'Storm Clouds Gather' site is of use Ry :). I've had great fun researching my local history for this, an ideal starting point being your local library.
Title: Re: VBCW 10mm - artistic licence allowed with uniforms?
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 19 March 2013, 09:59:37 AM
Quote from: Techno on 19 March 2013, 07:28:14 AM
I await Ian's comment on that with interest Mart ! ;) ;D
Cheers - Phil.

Very effective at demolision if I remeber correctly.

Seriously - most British Army troops would be in WWI style uniforms and the ones in flat caps could be given black trousers (apploigies to any Irishmen), as Black and Tans. Police should really have shot guns, and two types of helmet - one with a comb and one with t*t. Most SCW troops wioll work as well.

IanS
Title: Re: VBCW 10mm - artistic licence allowed with uniforms?
Post by: Luddite on 19 March 2013, 09:40:07 PM
Anything is possible Ryman.

As long as its in the Heath Robinson style and 'Very British' you're fine.

OF course the usual civilians with armbands will predominate.

Uniforms from all over the world can be bought in.
In our campaign, Lord Lambton has equipped his private army mainly with surplus WWI French kit, and the Gateshead German League bought a bunch of German uniforms and vehicles.

Some of the more outlandish things i've seen include militant Morris Dancers!

But consider that many 'great houses' will have stocks of English Civil War 'lobster armour', muskets and pikes so ECW figures could be used.  And some may even break out their stocks of 'museum piece' Medieval arms and armour...

Anything you like can be included.

:D
Title: Re: VBCW 10mm - artistic licence allowed with uniforms?
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on 19 March 2013, 09:49:08 PM
Hi ryman1

There are lots of possibilities right across the ranges. Useful figures are:-

WW1 German East Africa sailors - great generic naval troops
WW1 US Cavalry - great cavalry not lance armed
FPW French sailors - will do as French naval landing parties
WW1 Italians - great generic adian helmeted figures without greatcoat

Other stuff to look at - Boers and US Civil War types for fedora hatted types, NWF colonial types for police, anything that takes your fancy.

Cheers

GrumpyOldMan
Title: Re: VBCW 10mm - artistic licence allowed with uniforms?
Post by: Fenton on 19 March 2013, 09:59:51 PM
I like the idea of a local amateur dramatic society taking to the field in various props and costumes
Title: Re: VBCW 10mm - artistic licence allowed with uniforms?
Post by: Serotonin on 21 March 2013, 07:46:33 AM
I keep having the urge to do a local defence force based on my village, wiith cavalry in fox hunting uniforms, gamekeepers with shotguns, farmers with farming implements, a old tractor converted into a tank and even some chaps dressed in full plate mail borrowed from the Dukes personal collection. Would be a lot of fun.
Title: Re: VBCW 10mm - artistic licence allowed with uniforms?
Post by: Steve J on 21 March 2013, 08:13:10 AM
QuoteInsert Quote
I keep having the urge to do a local defence force based on my village, wiith cavalry in fox hunting uniforms, gamekeepers with shotguns, farmers with farming implements, a old tractor converted into a tank and even some chaps dressed in full plate mail borrowed from the Dukes personal collection. Would be a lot of fun.

Give in to the urge Chris :D. I do like the idea of some chaps in armour as they would look the dogs danglies 8). Great for some command stands etc.
Title: Re: VBCW 10mm - artistic licence allowed with uniforms?
Post by: Serotonin on 21 March 2013, 08:15:01 AM
Trouble is it would be trickey to do in 10mm I think, unless anyone can come up with some ideas for a 1930s tractor in 10mm to convert, and suitable cavalry to be fox hunters.
Title: Re: VBCW 10mm - artistic licence allowed with uniforms?
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 21 March 2013, 08:24:42 AM
Look for the "Bob Semple", and some of the Russian improvised stuff, baiscally square/rectangular boxes, with very litte in the way of wheels or tracks showing.

IanS
Title: Re: VBCW 10mm - artistic licence allowed with uniforms?
Post by: Steve J on 21 March 2013, 10:33:26 AM
Hmmm, might get one or two of these as they are so cheap :). Perfect for my Hanham militia and their homemade armoured vehicles.

http://www.hobbybase.co.uk/gem-n412-caterpillar-tractor.html?gclid=CMLXgpvNjbYCFYfJtAod2EUAjA
Title: Re: VBCW 10mm - artistic licence allowed with uniforms?
Post by: Fenton on 21 March 2013, 10:36:54 AM
How about these

http://www.langleymodels.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Vehicle_kits__lorries__cranes__vans_etc_64.html
Title: Re: VBCW 10mm - artistic licence allowed with uniforms?
Post by: mart678 on 21 March 2013, 02:28:27 PM
Hassle Leon

For the Traction Engine

Martin
Title: Re: VBCW 10mm - artistic licence allowed with uniforms?
Post by: Leon on 21 March 2013, 02:59:35 PM
Quote from: mart678 on 21 March 2013, 02:28:27 PM
Hassle Leon

Don't hassle Leon...  :'(
Title: Re: VBCW 10mm - artistic licence allowed with uniforms?
Post by: Hertsblue on 22 March 2013, 09:10:55 AM
Didn't I see that Martin had done a traction engine a little while ago - or am I halucinating as usual?  :-\
Title: Re: VBCW 10mm - artistic licence allowed with uniforms?
Post by: Leon on 22 March 2013, 11:17:38 AM
Yep, here: http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6943.0.html (http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6943.0.html)

8)
Title: Re: VBCW 10mm - artistic licence allowed with uniforms?
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 23 March 2013, 07:18:20 AM
So hassle Leon for it........

IanS
Title: Re: VBCW 10mm - artistic licence allowed with uniforms?
Post by: Serotonin on 24 March 2013, 05:20:53 PM
Oh man I need that traction engine for my force. There are 2 working traction engines in the village here!
Title: Re: VBCW 10mm - artistic licence allowed with uniforms?
Post by: Squirrel on 25 March 2013, 09:40:17 PM
My village had a workshop during the '30s and 40's that maintained and supplied steam traction engines to the surrounding farms, so I could definitely use a couple  8)

It's about time I extended my VBCW collection ......

Cheers,

Kev
Title: Re: VBCW 10mm - artistic licence allowed with uniforms?
Post by: Steve J on 26 March 2013, 07:48:53 AM
QuoteThere are 2 working traction engines in the village here!
The place where time has stood still ;). And this coming from me who grew up on the edge of the Fens :D.
Title: Re: VBCW 10mm - artistic licence allowed with uniforms?
Post by: Serotonin on 27 March 2013, 08:04:52 AM
One of the young lads in the village restores them, I think, as a job. So you often see them rolling about the place.