Right - I've decided that I will do my SYW Austrian & Prussian armies as fast-paint - mainly because:
- it's summer
- I'm playing & coaching a load of cricket (again)
- work is manic
- cider / lager / wine is nicerer in summer :P
Fast-paint means I will get them done & on table in decent time - rather than obsessing over these until my eyes bleed ;D
It also means I'll cut some corners, but still try to make them look lovely 8)
Right - here's the force composition:
Austrians:
General & commanders
1 x Light Infantry - Grenzer
6 x Infantry
2 x Grenadier Infantry
1 x Light Cavalry - Hussars
1 x Cavalry - Dragoons
2 x Cavalry - Cuirassiers
3 x Medium Guns
Prussians:
General & commanders
6 x Infantry
1 x Grenadier Infantry
1 x Light Cavalry - Hussars
2 x Cavalry - Dragoons
2 x Cavalry - Cuirassiers
4 x Medium Guns
They're all based on 50 x 25 MDF bases, 3 bases per unit (inf/cav): 8 figures / base for Grenzer, 10 / base for infantry & 4 / base for cavalry. Here they are in prepped & based state:
Austrians:
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/Austrians1.jpg)
Prussians:
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/Prussian1.jpg)
Ready for spraying:
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/prespray.jpg)
Sprayed [with final pass to come]:
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/spray.jpg)
Elapsed time to this point from unpacking them from bags: 3 hours
All have now had bases painted & overbrushing done:
Stage One: Bestial Brown - everything including figures:
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/Austrian2.jpg)
Stage Two: Leather Brown - bases only:
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/Austrian3.jpg)
Stage Three: Bleached Bone - bases only:
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/Austrian4.jpg)
Only difference is that Austrian infantry is overbrushed with Grey rather than Brown at this point...
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/Austrian5.jpg)
Elapsed time to here: 4.5 hours
Greetings
Nik - what do you undercoat with?
I'll be prepping my SYW Allied starter force over the weekend and am tempted to try your methods in part after my first test battalion was less than totally successful. I probably won't base them first as mine will be on smaller bases and more tightly ranked and filed (6 infantry on a 25x20 base and 3 cavalry on a 25 x 25 base, guns tbd) so I'd have difficulty getting a brush in between.
Regards
Edward
These are spray undercoated using Army Painter Matt Black Primer
I have spaced these quite widely - I'd have no hesitation in employing the same technique on yours though - it's what I did with my ECW / Napoleonics & ACW [where I've got 14 figures in two ranks onto 40x20 bases] - no problem re painting as you paint what you can get to with your brush - the overbrush & lighting takes care of the rest....
Have a look here & see if you can see where I've not painted ;) ;D
http://nikharwood.pbworks.com/ACWarmaster+-+Union+lines
http://nikharwood.pbworks.com/ACWarmaster+-+Confederate+lines
http://nikharwood.pbworks.com/Union+ACWarmaster+army
http://nikharwood.pbworks.com/WIP+Confederate+ACWarmaster
Where does the time go, eh?!?!!
Having mucked about with far too much research etc etc on trying to find uniform detail sources etc I've decided that I'll go with simplicity for my source:
http://www.juniorgeneral.org/load.php?Period=4#Seven
Great resource & will give me more than enough detail / accuracy for what I want to achieve with my SYW armies. I'm hoping (cricket & imminent World Cup shenanigans permitting) to start making a serious dent in the Austrians in the next few days...watch this space!
That's quite a project there Nik! Good luck, I've never painted more than one regiment at a time, but having no one to game against gives me plenty of paint time! Hoping my Malburians come soon so I can try my first mass painting of 10's.
Cheers,
The Grenadier
To be honest, I always paint like this...I'm a 95% solo-gamer so inevitably end up getting both sides of any conflict...I also can't bear to go back to any army & add to it - would much rather decide at the planning stage the largest force I want to do & go with that - and once it's done, it's done 8)
Work is manic at the moment so I've stalled a bit on this one [& have picked up a couple of commissions too which is coolio] - so I'll get to this when I can...have done most of the planning though so I'll post more detail on my chosen colour-schemes soon...
Hi Nik, I do not really understand how do you overbrush... could you explain like you are explaining to a 11 years old children (or for dummies as you prefere :-[ )
And what is the advantage of overbrush?
Is overbrushing the same as dry brush? (if the answer of this question is YES forget the other questions)
thanks in advance
No worries...here you go:
Drybrushing: take your brush, load with paint & then wipe off until it is *dry* and you're getting the faintest of colour-application on the raised-edge highlights...
Overbrushing / wetbrushing: take your brush, load with paint & then wipe off about half - then when you brush that across the figure you're hitting all raised surfaces...
So if you think about trousers:
- drybrush - you'll hit the top of the creases
- overbrush - you'll hit the raised cloth areas
Does that make sense? Let me know if not & I'll do some painted pic examples...
Hey Nick!
Thanks forth info on juniorgeneral.
It's given me loads of insiration for my 'fantasy' syw armies. Hurrah for the Grand Duchy of Fenwick!
Quote from: nikharwood on 11 June 2010, 11:02:20 PM
Does that make sense? Let me know if not & I'll do some painted pic examples...
Thanks very much, it make sense.
your doing a good good job around here with a lot of very nice armies,
looking forward to see the SYW finished
Right - here's my planning painting notes...these are base colours - basetones will be darker & most will be lightened with Bleached Bone / White for highlights. Apologies in advance if I get the 'technical' names wrong ;)
All flesh: Dark Fleshtone highlighted with Dwarf Flesh
Austrian
Musketeers:
Uniform: White
Tunic: Ultramarine Blue
Cuffs / Facings: Regal Blue
Collar: Blood Red
Tricorne: Black / White piping
Cartridge Pouch: Grey
Gaiters: Black
Grenadiers:
Tunic & Trousers & Cuffs: Blood Red
Mitre: Grey / Red
Grenzer:
Tunic: Regal Blue
Trousers & Cuffs: Blood Red
Crossbelt: Leather Brown
Cuirassiers:
Trousers, Turnbacks & Saddlecloth: Regal Blue
Dragoons:
Coat & Saddlecloth: Blood Red
Trousers & Facings: Light Blue
Hussars:
Uniform & Saddlecloth: Sky Blue
Detail: Red
Hat: Earth
Artillery:
Uniform: Leather Brown
Cuffs: Red
Officer: White trousers
Prussian
All flesh: Dark Fleshtone highlighted with Dwarf Flesh
Musketeers:
Tunic & Trousers & Crossbelt: White
Coat: Regal Blue
Cuffs / Facings & Collar: Blood Red
Tricorne: Black / White piping
Cartridge Pouch: Grey
Gaiters: Black
Grenadiers:
Coat: Regal Blue
Tunic & Trousers & Cuffs: Blood Red
Mitre: Grey / Red
Cuirassiers:
Uniform: Buff
Collar, Cuffs & Saddlecloth: Ultramarine Blue
Dragoons:
Trousers & Tunic: Buff
Everything else: as Musketeers
Hussars:
Trousers: Buff
Tunic: Blood Red
Hat: Black / Blood Red piping
Saddlecloth: Scab Red
Artillery:
Trousers & Tunic: Ultramarine Blue
Coat: Regal Blue
Tricorne: Yellow piping
Officer: White crossbelt
Gunners: Buff crossbelt
Gun furniture: Ultramarine Blue
Quick pics: Austrian test stand: Musketeers (20 mins)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/atest1.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/atest2.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/atest3.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/atest4.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/atest5.jpg)
Very impressive for 20 minutes work mate 8).
Greetings
Nik - what do you use for groundwork on your bases?
Also which order do you paint different parts of the figure?
Regards
Edward
Hi Edward - look further up this thread & you'll see how I've painted the bases: to get the texture, I PVA the base & add my sand mix [mostly playsand with some sharp sand & fine grit added], when that's dry I seal it with a glue wash [really watered down PVA] & let dry before undercoating.
I've since added a couple finishing details to the test stand that I'd missed: gold seal on the cartridge pouch, hair braids & highlight on musket.
In terms of order of painting:
Gaiters & Tricornes
Uniform - coat & trousers & crossbelt; tricorne piping [grey & white]
Turnbacks & cuffs
Musket [brown] & bayonet [metal]
Flesh [base & highlight]
Details: seal on pouch & hair
Then highlights...
I'm debating whether or not to give these a magic wash: not sure if they need it really...I'll have a think ;D
I've now done all the black on all the musketeers...took me another 30 mins, so: total elapsed time to now: 5 hrs 20 mins
Oh - and here's a question for those in the know: should the back of the coat have (blue) turnbacks or not? It's stupidly difficult to find pictures of the backs of uniforms ???
Quote from: nikharwood on 13 June 2010, 11:31:50 AM
Oh - and here's a question for those in the know: should the back of the coat have (blue) turnbacks or not? It's stupidly difficult to find pictures of the backs of uniforms ???
If I understand you correctly, yes. There is a slit at the back of the coat, the fabric from the bottom corner at the slit is brought forward to meet the bottom corner of the front at the side. The lining shows.
I found this image helpful:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/R%C3%B6chling_-_Regiment_Bernburg_bei_Liegnitz.jpeg)
Austrian uniforms differed in detail, but the basic tailoring is the same.
Ah - excellent - thanks lentulus: just what I was looking for 8)
(more blue to paint then ;D)
More progress made today while watching Ghana v Australia...all white & blue now done: another 1.5 hours or so: total elapsed time = 6 hrs 50 mins
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/austwhiteblue1.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/austwhiteblue2.jpg)
30 mins this morning: muskets & flesh done:
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/austmusk1.jpg)
Total elapsed time = 7 hrs 20 mins
You have a sure hand with the hat lace. I always have to pay a second visit with the black.
Right - whilst enjoying the All Whites holding Italy to a 1-1 draw, I finished this lot: details, hair etc & bunged flags on - about an hour - so
Total elapsed time 8 hrs 20 mins
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/austmuskfin1.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/austmuskfin4.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/austmuskfin6.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/austmuskfin5.jpg)
I've decided that these will get a wash - will do later tonight. I'll finish bases once the whole army's done 8)
I'm amazed how quick you can work through them. I might actually try my hand at some painting at some point.
Quote from: Leon on 20 June 2010, 06:54:59 PM
I'm amazed how quick you can work through them. I might actually try my hand at some painting at some point.
I think you should...it's
easy ;) ;D
From overbrush stage, this lot (180 figures) took 3 hrs 30 mins - and I was watching footie for some of that 8)
Quote from: nikharwood on 20 June 2010, 07:19:56 PM
I think you should...it's easy ;) ;D
Hmm... :D
I'll give something a go and post it up!
Grenzer done while watching the football highlights: 40 minutes
Total elapsed time: 9 hrs
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/grenzer1.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/grenzer2.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/grenzer3.jpg)
QuoteYou have a sure hand with the hat lace.
Missed this one earlier...have you tried 'edging'? Rather than try to paint the lace on with the tip of the brush, use the
side of the brush, at an angle to the hat brim & run it along...much better control - and
way easier! 8)
Quote from: nikharwood on 20 June 2010, 11:05:37 PM
Missed this one earlier...have you tried 'edging'? Rather than try to paint the lace on with the tip of the brush, use the side of the brush, at an angle to the hat brim & run it along...much better control - and way easier! 8)
Ah, so it has a name ;D - I'll try some variations of the angle.
Well, it's the name I use ;)
Right - last night's product of an hour watching some glorious football is the Grenadiers: total elapsed time = 10 hrs:
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/gren4.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/gren2.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/gren5.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/gren3.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/gren7.jpg)
Another merry 40 minutes: artillery done: total elapsed time = 10 hrs 40 mins:
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/arty1.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/arty2.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/arty3.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/arty4.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/arty5.jpg)
Blimey - a gap of over a week...that's not good :(
Not much to look at - but have done all the base colours of all the horses for both Austrian (rear) & Prussian (front) cavalry and commanders - essentially using a 4-colour variation: Bestial Brown (ie leave as they are from the prepped stage); Dark Fleshtone; Leather Brown; Cold Grey - about 30 mins:
Total elapsed time = 11 hrs 10 mins:
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/cavbase1.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/cavbase2.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/cavbase3.jpg)
Fast 30 mins worth of detailing gee-gees: manes & tails basecoated & highlighted; stars / blazes painted - for both forces although these quick-pics are just of the Austrians.
Total elapsed time = 11 hrs 40 mins:
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/cavdet4.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/cavdet3.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/cavdet1.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/cavdet2.jpg)
Two units of Austrian Cuirassiers done last night: 45mins
Total elapsed time = 12 hrs 25 mins
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/cuir1.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/cuir5.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/cuir6.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/cuir4.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/cuir3.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/cuir2.jpg)
Rain stopped play (before it started) with my cricket match tonight - so 40 minutes spent doing the Hussars:
Total elapsed time = 13 hrs 05 mins
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/huss1.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/huss3.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/huss4.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/huss2.jpg)
Far too long in-between painting these :(
Anyway, Dragoons & Commanders done today - so Prussians to follow...
These took about 45 mins
Total elapsed time = 13 hrs 50 mins
Dragoons:
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/drag4.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/drag3.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/drag2.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/drag1.jpg)
Commands:
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/cmd1.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Austrians%20painting/cmd2.jpg)
Hi Nik
Great work on these!
What are you using for the round bases on your generals?
Thanks Sean (I will get to the Prussians soon..!)
The round bases for commands are some of those new-ish "Display" type base that come with 28mm figures - these ones here called "Newstyle"...I only used them because I had a load knocking around :) http://www.em4miniatures.com/acatalog/MINIAATURES_BASES.html
They work quite well though, because they have an indentation [ie the lip is higher than the middle] - so glue figures in & then fill with Polyfilla to line of base before texturing.
From 24th July - 16th September...outrageous :o
Anyway, the Prussians are coming: an hour tonight for the Grenadiers:
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/gren2.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/gren3.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/gren4.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/gren5.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/gren1.jpg)
Total elapsed time = 14 hrs 50 mins
Its great to see progress on these Nik - they're coming along nicely ;)
Thanks nosher - although I did realise that I'd not finished the headgear :o (red top pom-pom thingy wotsit).
Took me 5 mins to rectify:
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/gren6.jpg)
Total elapsed time = 14 hrs 55 mins
Wow. With or without the red top pom-pom thingy wotsits this is quite an achievement. And an inspiration to those of us who have little time to spare for painting between work, children, household and everything else.
Cheers,
Aart
Thanks Aart...yep, it's finding the small bits of time & using them well that is the answer to:
1 job [demanding]
1 wife [... ;)]
3 kids [demanding]
4 horses [demanding]
2 dogs [demanding]
2 cats [law-unto-themselves]
2 fish [actually, these are pretty effortless and really not very demanding ;)]
:D
Quote from: nikharwood on 17 September 2010, 02:46:02 PM
Thanks Aart...yep, it's finding the small bits of time & using them well that is the answer to:
1 job [demanding]
1 wife [... ;)]
3 kids [demanding]
4 horses [demanding]
2 dogs [demanding]
2 cats [law-unto-themselves]
2 fish [actually, these are pretty effortless and really not very demanding ;)]
:D
Good grief, talk about a busy life. Don't you ever find yourself painting the wife, feeding your boss, seeing the horses off to school and - I don't know -
eating your models? :o
Cheers,
Aart
Only at weekends ;) :D
Right - while listening to the England cricket team replicate my wargaming efforts by snatching defeat from the jaws of victory tonight, I did the Prussian artillery - in a little under 45 minutes:
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/arty1.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/arty2.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/arty3.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/arty4.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/arty5.jpg)
Total elapsed time = 15hrs 40 mins
In between everything else, managed to get the Prussian musketeers done this weekend:
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/inf1.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/inf2.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/inf3.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/inf4.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/inf5.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/inf6.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/inf7.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/inf91.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/STA40337.jpg)
Took my time with these - I think because it was all a bit stop-and-start: so about 5.5 hours:
Total elapsed time = 21hrs 10 mins
Gonna start calling you Ferrero Rocher ;)
You are 'spoiling' us!
Good man - get the Father Ted quote in there =O :-bd - I tried to find a youtube clip but failed :(
Hussars today: about 55 minutes:
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/huss1.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/huss2.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/huss3.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/huss4.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/huss8.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/huss7.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/huss5.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/huss6.jpg)
Total elapsed time = 22hrs 05mins
Nice Hussars 8)
Not so keen on the brown bases. I prefure the grassy look myself.
The troops look a treat though.
Ah - don't worry - the bases aren't finished yet; I'll do all of them in one go once both armies are finished...so these will get a couple types of static grass added in yet, which will then get a drybrush to tone the grass down a bit. The base edges will get painted then as well. :)
More to come tonight...
Here they are - Cuirassiers which took about 50 mins:
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/cuir1.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/cuir3.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/cuir4.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/cuir2.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/cuir7.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/cuir6.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/cuir5.jpg)
Total elapsed time = 22hrs 55mins
Blimey - another week lost to work... :o
Prussian Dragoons now done - 55 minutes:
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/drag1.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/drag2.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/drag3.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/drag4.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/drag7.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/drag6.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/drag5.jpg)
Total elapsed time = 23hrs 50mins
Only Prussian commanders to paint...and then finish the basing & varnish - the end is in sight! 8)
And Commanders now done: 40mins:
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/cmd3.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/cmd2.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/SYW%20Prussians%20painting/cmd1.jpg)
Total elapsed time = 24hrs 30mins
And they're done! Bases have had static grass added (which I decided not to tone down as I like these looking quite bright) and the edges painted; this took about 90 minutes.
It's far too wet to spray-varnish them today so that'll get done at a later date. I'll take some 'proper' pics later on-table but for now here's a couple sneaky previews:
Austrians:
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/aust1.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/aust2.jpg)
Prussians:
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/prus1.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/prus2.jpg)
Total elapsed time = 26hrs
So there you have it - two complete armies, from packet to table in a little over a day all-in. I'm pleased with that...8)
On-table pics now up:
Austrians: http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=1488.0
Prussians: http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=1489.0
Fabulous Nik ;)
1. What rule set are you using for SYW?
2. What method do you use for flocking?
I have used thinned pva then flock and could occasionally see the PVA through the flock. I have used GW paint 'loaded' onto areas of the base and again this looks odd and I have tried super glue - which is my current preferred method, but is a pain in the arse... :-\
Quote from: Nosher on 03 October 2010, 03:51:47 PM
Fabulous Nik ;)
1. What rule set are you using for SYW?
2. What method do you use for flocking?
I have used thinned pva then flock and could occasionally see the PVA through the flock. I have used GW paint 'loaded' onto areas of the base and again this looks odd and I have tried super glue - which is my current preferred method, but is a pain in the arse... :-\
Thanks nosher mate 8)
1. More than likely Black Powder...or Rank & File
2. I use my not-for-the-fainthearted method: spots of superglue onto base & then take pinches of static grass & apply, shake excess off upside down [so that remaining grass sticks up] - it's only a pain in the arse because you'll get it on your fingers...not to mention the fumes! Works well though 8)
Cool. Was thinking you might head BP route ;)
Just bought FoG Renaissance which uses 40mm frontages for units. If I want to do rivet counting I can go that route or if I want to go fast and furious I can also go the BP route without having to re-base.
I already have ECW in 6mm so am looking for inspiration in terms of Horse and Musket for something different. At the moment its a toss up between SYW and GNW although knowing me I'll end up with 10mm ECW as well as my 6mm stuff :-[
Nik,
Thanks for the walk-through. The project was ambitious, but the result looks pretty darned good.
Let me try expressing one of the principles involved, just to see if I'm understanding: you can get away with painting the figures on their final bases because the parts you cannot reach effectively with a brush have been covered well enough (with black undercoat and bestial brown overbrushing) so that they will not be visible in the end. The most visible, outer parts you can reach with a brush, and so can spend a bit of time on them. Is that about right?
So, we should have the courage to paint from the get-go in light of how the figures will actually be seen in their ranks on their stands. I've read plenty of people saying that 10mm figures at arm's length do not have to be perfectly painted. That's fine, but not practically helpful. By contrast, you show just what to do to carry that bit of general advice into practice.
My impatience with the bleeding-eye method may just induce me to have the courage to try your method.
Thanks,
David
You're welcome - and thank you 8)
It's not really that I don't paint anything that can't be seen - I don't leave anything really unpainted at all - but that, even with the figures painted, I can get to pretty much everything with a brush & do - with some 'undercut' exceptions...there are very few areas that don't get painted. It's more that, when I want to, I can paint fast!
I've taken some quick pics (apols for quality) of a Prussian infantry stand from various 'underneath' angles - hopefully they'll help:
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/STA40474.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/STA40460.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/STA40465.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/STA40466.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/STA40468.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/STA40469.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/STA40473.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/STA40470.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/STA40471.jpg)
Hi Nik,
OK. So you really can reach in and get at all sides, even when the figures are mounted on their bases. I will try it your way. Thanks for the extra pictures.
I have one other question for now. Back on page 1 of this painting diary string, you mentioned that the Austrians got an overbrushing gray while the Prussians were left with the bestial brown overbrushing. What's going on there, with the color choice? Is it that the overbrushing color should be somehow moving towards the color of the uniform that the figures will finally get? If so, why not just overbrush with that final color of the uniform? Or is there something else involved here?
Thanks,
David
To be honest I normally always overbrush brown - what it does is raise the detail from the black undercoat & let me see what's what so much more clearly; it also allows for a greater shade 'depth' when painting - rather than colours competing against the black undercoat (as I will tend to paint with quite thin paint - at least when I'm not speed-painting!); it also, of course, can save a load of time when horses / muskets etc are involved as it'll give you your base colour to highlight onto.
I decided to try the grey overbrush as an experiment with the Austrian infantry purely because of their white uniform & the decision I'd made to fast-paint these: I wanted to see if this would save me a stage [which it did] by not painting grey onto a brown overbrush before going to white...it worked fine, but there's not quite the depth there that you'd get if you overbrushed brown first & built up from there.
Hope that helps - if you like I can take some close-up 'underneath' shots of some Austrian infantry- let me know :)
Quote from: nikharwood on 20 June 2010, 11:05:37 PM
Missed this one earlier...have you tried 'edging'? Rather than try to paint the lace on with the tip of the brush, use the side of the brush, at an angle to the hat brim & run it along...much better control - and way easier! 8)
Thank you, Harwood. I'll be trying that one. :)
Mmmm, it works. Obliged to you for the tip. Except that now I have to do the piping on close to 500 hats!
Quote from: FierceKitty on 11 July 2016, 10:01:03 AM
Thank you, Harwood. I'll be trying that one. :)
You are most welcome, Kitty. :)
Quote from: FierceKitty on 12 July 2016, 09:42:30 AM
Mmmm, it works. Obliged to you for the tip. Except that now I have to do the piping on close to 500 hats!
Ah, every silver lining and all that...