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Wider Wargaming => Genre/Period Discussion => Ancients to Renaissance (3000BC - 1680) => Topic started by: philv on 28 January 2013, 04:27:43 PM

Title: Odd picture in Military Mueseum
Post by: philv on 28 January 2013, 04:27:43 PM
Sorry if this is wrong place to ask this.

The other week I was in the Valencia Military Mueseum, there on a wall are a series of reproduction of a collection  pictures. The way they have been reproduced meant that the wording at the edges was blurred but the figures were clear. They show Spanish troops defeating Moors. So far so good. But in one picture it clearly shows 2 archers one mounted one on foot and both have 2 arrows drawn back ready to loose. Is that just artistic license or did moors fire 2 arrows at a time? Saddly there were no labels to explain  where or what battle was supposed to be shown, and the attendant did not know.

Phil V
Title: Re: Odd picture in Military Mueseum
Post by: ronan on 28 January 2013, 10:40:36 PM
hello
I don't know about this pic. But I practiced archery several years ago ( before breaking my shoulder), and I doubt it will be easy to fire 2 arrows simultaneously.
May be they were handling the second one just to be ready ?

</ my two cents>
Title: Re: Odd picture in Military Mueseum
Post by: Steve J on 29 January 2013, 07:39:08 AM
Damned hard to do from my experience of archery. They would probably interfere with each other as they left the bow when loosed.
Title: Re: Odd picture in Military Mueseum
Post by: Techno on 29 January 2013, 07:56:48 AM
http://www.benjaminrose.com/post/speed-archery-fast-and-deadly/

Don't know if this helps...Or even if it's real...But if it is, it might show a technique that was used.
Cheers - Phil.
Title: Re: Odd picture in Military Mueseum
Post by: philv on 29 January 2013, 04:19:02 PM
Thanks for the answers. I could not see how it would work, but was terrified that if I said would not work someone would say " It is on page 2 of Osprey Big Book Moors" or something like that.
Phil V
Title: Re: Odd picture in Military Mueseum
Post by: Fenton on 29 January 2013, 06:02:21 PM
Having done some longbow archery I would say its not the firing but the notching the two at once that maybe the problem, of course unlike the people in the picture or archers throughout history I haven't been practicing  since  was about 7
Title: Re: Odd picture in Military Mueseum
Post by: nikharwood on 29 January 2013, 09:43:57 PM
I thought it was normal...

(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ_a5Cz7dv3be26o2BtAnKI0KMRICfQ9anFnw4w4qWkEmGRCaIqsA)

Actually, two probably is for the pointy-ears...real men (in tights) go more...

(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRGfSTaAvULK-qdNHx6mHo-HYiM2dgZ0HDlz-aQKpNUfw9_AnnHxw)
Title: Re: Odd picture in Military Mueseum
Post by: jchaos79 on 30 January 2013, 05:29:34 PM
I am spanish and I have never seen anything like this, in any source, historical book or other museums, etc...

It is not a typical feature of the way of achery in the Peninsula.
Title: Re: Odd picture in Military Mueseum
Post by: philv on 30 January 2013, 09:23:00 PM
Thanks every one for the help on this.

jchaos79 if you are ever in Valencia area drop in and have a look look at it. The tapestries are near Franco trench telescope, and is quite clear. Is worth the trip to the museum just to see the T26.

I do wonder if the idea was to show that the Moors could shoot fast. I would have thought that most people when they were made would have known about archery.





















Title: Re: Odd picture in Military Mueseum
Post by: Maenoferren on 31 January 2013, 10:47:30 PM
not having seen the picture but you can hold a second arrow in your bow hand.. it sits on the crook of your thumb and held by your index finger against the bow, this means you have an arrow to hand, but  to be honest shooting a bow with two arrows in  is problematic in the extreme.
Title: Re: Odd picture in Military Mueseum
Post by: jchaos79 on 03 February 2013, 01:39:49 PM
Unfortuantely I'm in Vigo, Galicia (northwest). I know and have a bunch of pictures fromarchaeological museum of valencia and military museum of sevilla, but not from the military museum from Valencia.

Sorry