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Title: First Look at the Napoleonic Bavarians!
Post by: Leon on 16 January 2013, 11:58:07 PM
The Bavarians will be the next nation to get the Napoleonic treatment, and this lot arrived here before Xmas.  These masters have already been through the master moulding process, so there is the odd bit of putty missing from some of them, nothing to worry about on the master castings though!  Once we've got the full range here, we'll be releasing these in one big batch.

Foot command:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8183/8388304468_496411bb6a.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pendraken/8388304468/)


Line/lights, with mounted Officer:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8468/8388304034_b8767762f2.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pendraken/8388304034/)


There'll be more to come soon!

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Title: Re: First Look at the Napoleonic Bavarians!
Post by: old smokie on 17 January 2013, 12:03:46 AM
nice  :)  8)
Title: Re: First Look at the Napoleonic Bavarians!
Post by: Nav on 17 January 2013, 01:19:04 AM
gunna get me some of these for sure
Title: Re: First Look at the Napoleonic Bavarians!
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 17 January 2013, 07:17:53 AM
Nice
Title: Re: First Look at the Napoleonic Bavarians!
Post by: quasar42 on 17 January 2013, 01:51:46 PM

Beautiful - any chance of creating a loading figure as the one on the right in the first pic also for the French?
Title: Re: First Look at the Napoleonic Bavarians!
Post by: Leon on 17 January 2013, 02:01:38 PM
Quote from: quasar42 on 17 January 2013, 01:51:46 PM
Beautiful - any chance of creating a loading figure as the one on the right in the first pic also for the French?

First pic on the right is the hornist for the light's?  We're still considering going back and doing a loading figure from scratch for the French.
Title: Re: First Look at the Napoleonic Bavarians!
Post by: Rob on 17 January 2013, 02:09:47 PM
The great thing with Bavarians is they later switched sides so can be added to a French army as allies but if you are short of opponents you cam lend someone the Bavarians  :)
Title: Re: First Look at the Napoleonic Bavarians!
Post by: quasar42 on 17 January 2013, 02:54:59 PM
Quote from: Leon on 17 January 2013, 02:01:38 PM
First pic on the right is the hornist for the light's?  We're still considering going back and doing a loading figure from scratch for the French.

Oh, I see. I mistook it for him taking something out of an ammo bag. Good news on the loading figure in any event. 
Title: Re: First Look at the Napoleonic Bavarians!
Post by: Peritas on 17 January 2013, 07:16:34 PM
Wowwwwwww more to order ..........

Best regards
Title: Re: First Look at the Napoleonic Bavarians!
Post by: nikharwood on 17 January 2013, 09:48:20 PM
Lovely...dammit  ;)
Title: Re: First Look at the Napoleonic Bavarians!
Post by: Jagger on 19 January 2013, 02:06:41 AM
That Napoleonic itch is just getting worse and worse.   I think the French had at least a division, maybe a Corps, of the Bavarians in 1809. 
Title: Re: First Look at the Napoleonic Bavarians!
Post by: J.S. on 19 January 2013, 12:22:51 PM
Oh boy, I'm going to get a lot of these  :o
Title: Re: First Look at the Napoleonic Bavarians!
Post by: Bernie on 20 January 2013, 01:35:33 PM
Nice looking figures - excellent stuff
Title: Re: First Look at the Napoleonic Bavarians!
Post by: WeeWars on 20 January 2013, 01:45:06 PM
Quote from: Jagger on 19 January 2013, 02:06:41 AM
I think the French had at least a division, maybe a Corps, of the Bavarians in 1809. 

GL von Wrede’s 2nd Bavarian division of 7th Corps at Wagram
(Battalions/Squadrons; men)

6th Light Battalion La Roche (1; 569)
3rd Infantry Prince Karl (2; 1,277)
6th Infantry Herzog Wilhelm (2; 1,070)
7th Infantry Lőwenstein (2; 1,388)
13th Infantry (2; 1,157)
2nd Chevaulegers Kőnig (4; 474)
3rd Chevaulegers Leiningen (4; 513)
Artillery: 4 x 12-pounders, 20 x 6-pounders , 12 x howitzers

Marshal Lefebvre’s Bavarian 7th Corps not at Wagram
(Battalions/Squadrons; men)

1st Infantry Leib (2; 1,307)
1st Light Battalion (1; 664)
3rd Light Battalion (2 companies; 242)
2nd Infantry Kronprinz (2; 1,210)
4th Infantry (2; 1,212)
8th Infantry Herzog Pius (2; 1,165)
1st Dragoons (2; 244)
1st Chevaulegers (4; 399)
4th Chevaulegers (4; 429)
Artillery: 4 x 12-pounders, 8 x 6-pounders , 12 x howitzers
Title: Re: First Look at the Napoleonic Bavarians!
Post by: Bernie on 20 January 2013, 02:23:52 PM
Hi

Whole Bavarian Corps at Abensberg so if doing other battles then you can go whole way and field lots and lots of Bavarians
Title: Re: First Look at the Napoleonic Bavarians!
Post by: Rob on 20 January 2013, 05:12:20 PM
Will there be a grenadier figure Leon? Same uniform but with a small plume on the left side of the helmet. These were used in 1809 and could also be used as later Bavarian light company figures, where the plume was green as opposed to grenadier red.
Title: More Bavarians!
Post by: Leon on 30 March 2013, 10:29:59 PM
We've now got the artillery crews, and limber teams through for the Bavarians.  These will be going into the drawer with the other Bavarians, ready for a full range release soon.

Crew:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8242/8604632936_d2de1bb317.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pendraken/8604632936/)


Limber horse and marching gunner:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8116/8604632752_e4dd2c309b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pendraken/8604632752/)

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Title: Re: More Bavarians!
Post by: Le Manchou on 30 March 2013, 10:44:53 PM
 :-bd
Title: Re: More Bavarians!
Post by: Techno on 31 March 2013, 08:27:28 AM
Quote from: Leon on 30 March 2013, 10:29:59 PM
These will be going into the drawer

I don't know how on Earth you keep track of things Matey !!
My desk's bad enough !! ;D ;D
Cheers - Phil.
Title: Re: More Bavarians!
Post by: ryman1 on 31 March 2013, 01:41:07 PM
Lovely animation on those figures, definitely on my list.

:-bd
Title: Re: More Bavarians!
Post by: Steve J on 31 March 2013, 03:12:09 PM
Great figures, once again.
Title: Re: More Bavarians!
Post by: Hertsblue on 31 March 2013, 05:44:01 PM
Great. Confirms my theory that some of the nicest figures depict the most useless troops.  =)
Title: Re: More Bavarians!
Post by: WeeWars on 01 April 2013, 10:53:32 AM
Really looking forward to the full range release! And to painting them!

Nice to see a gunner with a match -- and a gunner on the march!
Title: Re: First Look at the Napoleonic Bavarians!
Post by: WeeWars on 07 April 2013, 12:51:37 PM
I'm a tad concerned that the helmets of the two Bavarian line infantry figures (that potentially I could be painting hundreds of) are too conservatively low and Austrian-like and not wildly high and Raupenhelm-esque enough.

(http://www.michaelscott.name/10mm/bavarian/PenBavLine.jpg)

(http://www.michaelscott.name/10mm/bavarian/Bav1809LineGren.jpg)

(http://www.michaelscott.name/10mm/bavarian/Bav14IR.jpg)

Title: Re: First Look at the Napoleonic Bavarians!
Post by: Leon on 07 April 2013, 09:50:26 PM
It might just be the angle of the photo with the figures head-on to the camera?  The firing ones look OK next to them:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8468/8388304034_b8767762f2.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pendraken/8388304034/)

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Title: Re: First Look at the Napoleonic Bavarians!
Post by: WeeWars on 07 April 2013, 11:30:48 PM
Yes, the Lights do look much better, especially the one modelled all in putty. My concern in this head-on angle:

(http://www.michaelscott.name/10mm/bavarian/BavHelmet.jpg)
Title: Re: First Look at the Napoleonic Bavarians!
Post by: Hertsblue on 08 April 2013, 10:02:54 AM
He has a point, y'know. The Bavariian helmet was particularly high-crowned.
Title: Re: First Look at the Napoleonic Bavarians!
Post by: WeeWars on 08 April 2013, 12:53:07 PM
The helmet really was so tall that there was a serious suggestion that mess-tins should be designed to fit inside it.

Time for Dave to get the green stuff out again.  :)
Title: Re: First Look at the Napoleonic Bavarians!
Post by: ryman1 on 08 April 2013, 12:58:29 PM
A genuine antique 1808 helmet if it's of any use.....

(http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/5640/bavhelmet.jpg)

Ry
Title: Re: First Look at the Napoleonic Bavarians!
Post by: WeeWars on 08 April 2013, 02:23:15 PM
Quote from: ryman1 on 08 April 2013, 12:58:29 PM
A genuine antique 1808 helmet if it's of any use.....

Complete with the grenadiers' plume that Rob requested. It's interesting that the chain doesn't hang as in the illustrations above but is unusually tucked under the crest.
Title: Re: First Look at the Napoleonic Bavarians!
Post by: Leon on 08 April 2013, 07:12:26 PM
I've just had a look at the castings of these, and they look fine from the side.  I've not got my camera with me today, so I'll try and get a pic tomorrow of them all lined up.
Title: Re: More Bavarians!
Post by: nikharwood on 10 April 2013, 06:50:20 PM
Yep - very nice indeed  8)
Title: Re: First Look at the Napoleonic Bavarians!
Post by: Leon on 19 July 2013, 08:58:34 PM
Quick question for the Nap gamers on pack compositions!

I'm getting the Bavarians ready for release at the moment.  We've got the regular line figures, which will also double up as lights, in four poses, so no worries there.  The command consists of officer/ensign/drummer/hornist, so four poses in the command pack.

Now, the queries start when it comes to the Elites/Flank chaps.  We've got the same four poses, plus a command set of officer/drummer/hornist.  Would people prefer packs of 16's (two poses of foot + 3 command), or packs of 30 (two poses of foot + 3 command)?
Title: Re: First Look at the Napoleonic Bavarians!
Post by: quasar42 on 19 July 2013, 10:26:08 PM
Personally, I would prefer 30 man packs - but that is just me
Title: Re: First Look at the Napoleonic Bavarians!
Post by: Rob on 20 July 2013, 11:57:04 AM
Quote from: Leon on 19 July 2013, 08:58:34 PM
Quick question for the Nap gamers on pack compositions!

Bread, repair kit, spare shirt, spare flints and when starting a campaign at least one extra pair of shoes.   :) :)

Quote from: Leon on 19 July 2013, 08:58:34 PMI'm getting the Bavarians ready for release at the moment.  We've got the regular line figures, which will also double up as lights, in four poses, so no worries there.  The command consists of officer/ensign/drummer/hornist, so four poses in the command pack.

Now, the queries start when it comes to the Elites/Flank chaps.  We've got the same four poses, plus a command set of officer/drummer/hornist.  Would people prefer packs of 16's (two poses of foot + 3 command), or packs of 30 (two poses of foot + 3 command)?
As for figure numbers for the elites. Personally I would not want command figures in the elite pack as the elites would be part of a line regiment and I would get the command figures when buying the line troops. In this case packs of 16 would be ideal.

However, if the command set is an "elite" command set i.e. different from the line command and needs to be included, then I would prefer them in 30 man packs.

Cheers, Rob  :)
Title: Re: First Look at the Napoleonic Bavarians!
Post by: WeeWars on 22 July 2013, 12:13:28 AM
Quote from: Leon on 19 July 2013, 08:58:34 PM
The command consists of officer/ensign/drummer/hornist, so four poses in the command pack.
Now, the queries start when it comes to the Elites/Flank chaps.  We've got the same four poses, plus a command set of officer/drummer/hornist.  Would people prefer packs of 16's (two poses of foot + 3 command), or packs of 30 (two poses of foot + 3 command)?

The Bavarian infantry c.1809 fought in the field with 1 grenadier company and 3 fusilier companies per battalion. The fusilier companies included schützen. The ratio was 5 grenadiers to 12 fusiliers to 3 schützen. Presumably, you are going to allocate drummer and hornist separately to line and light commands?

So perhaps:

30 pack: advancing and firing poses + officer (no standard) and hornist for Light battalions

30 pack: marching poses + officer, standard and drummer for Line battalions

16 pack: marching grenadiers (no command – or a command of officer and drummer)

16 pack: advancing and firing schützen (no command – or a command of officer and hornist)
Title: Re: First Look at the Napoleonic Bavarians!
Post by: Leon on 22 July 2013, 02:36:36 PM
I wasn't planning on separating the hornist/drummer, as the line/lights are the same figures, so would be a single code.  The rough range list at the moment would be:

NBV1 Line/light infantry, march attack (30 figures)
NBV2 Line/light infantry, firing/advancing (30 figures)
NBV3 Line/light infantry command (officer/standard/drummer/hornist) (30 figures)
NBV4 Line/light Mtd Officer (5 figures)
NBV5 Elite infantry, march attack, inc. command (officer/drummer/hornist) (16 figures)
NBV6 Elite infantry, firing/advancing, inc. command (officer/drummer/hornist) (16 figures)

and then the other stuff to follow on?

That would fit in with the range composition of the French/Austrian ranges, but I thought I'd see what people thought about the command and 16-man packs?

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