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Right as I say, I would like your top 5 (or 3)  TV episodes, upto and including Mccoy (not that I can think of any that might be top five?). They don't have to be in any order and please give a 1-2 paragraph review on why you liked it. Possibly a quote also. I'll start:

1) Revenge of the Cybermen - Tom Baker
This episode is either hated or Loved. Most people doubt it due to the way the Cyberleader struts and shows most emotions under the spectrum, Delight, Anger, Bitterness, even Dry wit, You two (Doctor and SJS) are especially privileged. You are about to die in the biggest explosion ever witnessed in this solar system. It will be a magnificent spectacle. Unhappily, you will be unable to appreciate it. It's odd it actually appeals to me. Sure they have emotional issues to make them more ruthless but surly its not 100% no emotions and surly the leaders are given some that are useful?

Any way, the main reason I love ROTC is that Tom is on top form and so is SJS and Harry. The Cyber 'army' is I think scary enough and do what I imagine a small 'vengeful' force would do. But I also love the Grey in it, for example, Kelman, Once again the Cybermen have a stooge or is he, at first he's a serial killer (odd how quickly this is forgiven) then he's working for the Cybermen to help them destroy Voga, it turns out he's actually trying to destroy the Cybermen for the Vogans and ends up helping out the Doctor. The Vogand are also a 'grey' characterful race. At first they seam cowardly, then come out to be brave. They have a Civil war while getting attacked by Cybermen, Vorus is a real cool character, some could see him as a traitor, maybe vain or maybe a liberator. That's why this episode is my No.1




2) Day of the Daleks -  Jon Pertwee
This Episode has all the right ingredients, Pertwee, Jo Grant, Daleks, UNIT, brigadier lethbridge-stewart. But the plot is, I think one of the ground braking, all to do with changing time. Yes I here your cry 'that's been done' but the way they do it is fab! A group of Paramilitary are using crude time travel to come back and stop the 3rd world war by killing a British Ambassador as the future they are from (after WWIII) the Daleks came in and took over and enslaved the half destroyed world.

It also has a bit of mystery at the start when two members of UNIT go missing, scery ape creatures called Ogrons and there is a brilliant bit were BLS comes in on a jeep, before asking the doctor what's going on he HMGs a Ogron! BLS is a Space racist if you ask me. But this is a real smart story, It takes into account the facts of changing time and is it right to kill one man it it helps the future? The new DVD has tastefully added extra Daleks for the end battle (turn your SFX on) as they didn't have the funds to have the Dalek army scripted.




3) Genesis of the Daleks - Tom Baker
Almost all of you would/should put this as one of your top 5. Once again it has SJS and Harry (in fact all of series 12 is good) and like DOTD it's all about changing time. The idea of going back to the start of the Daleks creation and killing them before they become powerful. It has a WWI&II feel to it, and even has space Nazis

It also covers topics of genetically modifying and the powers of corruption that come together with Davros. He's fab in this and in Destiny, but from then on he was in all the classic Dalek episodes and I think it ruined Davros! Fab story and although 6 episodes long I didn't think it dragged at all!




4) The Five Doctors - Davidson  
... Or is it Four? Down sides first, The lack of Tom and the over abundance of assistants was stupid and the writers did seam to have to have a lot of them 'chilling' in the TARDIS. However it was nice to see some old faces. The play between Doctors was fab, the respect for the Original, the spats between II and III however I think the master stole the show from the Doctors. The Time Lord Council scenes with the master was amazing writing and his alliance with Cybermen is brilliant, usually the Cybermen kill there stooge... Not this time Tin man!

We also see a Dalek, it's amazing how we sometimes think of these things a Fearless Tanks, there actually chicken when you get them on there own. Just like real tank crew surrounded by infantry they freak! And the Raston Warrior Robot Vr Cybermen, best DW scene! I actually see this story as a cyberman episode. I think (thanks to Cyber Leader David Banks) they play the role perfect, when I think of Cybermen I think of them in the five Doctors. Three squads of Cybermen, in a battle field, hunting, awesome!




5) Robots of Death - Tom Baker
I was stuck on the last between Tomb of the Cybermen (it has a fab sound track and plot) Talons of Weng Chang (Sci Fi Sherlock homes) Brian of Morbious (Sci Fi Hammer Horror) and this. Yes I realise the who done it was spoilt by the Story's name. But this pipped the rest. Not just for the good preformencess by Baker and Jameson (Leela) and D84, but I think this story has it due to the the following;

The Sets, built very nicely and have aged very well. The Robots, fit the bill perfect, not the usuall old sci fi box robot either, almost Japanese samurai looking with the shoulders and flat clogs and there was or at least (through changing number plates) appears to be a lot if them, not the usual Doctor who army of 4.  The model design of the mining ship gave scale and looked well and finally the crew members costume I think are quite fancy, almost steam punky. Odd that the Beeb spent so much on this Story for something they couldn't/wouldn't re-use.  But I'm glad they did!

If you don't have a list general comments on good classic episodes or my choices is good  :D

In truth V, I simply can't remember individual episodes from all those years ago.
I can remember enjoying a lot of them.....especially when Tom Baker was the Doctor.

But I reckon I could watch an episode now as a repeat, or on DVD, and find that I was watching it as a 'fresh' programme....I don't think I'd remember the plot at all.
If I do manage to find that copy of the Five Doctors at the local market, I'll let you know how i get on with it. ;)

Cheers - Phil.

Not from 60s - 80s - but this, this wins:

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Not smut again! Top totty page mate, don't want that filth here  ;D

Quote from: Vulpine on 10 January 2013, 10:27:08 AM
Not smut again! Top totty page mate, don't want that filth here  ;D

Smut? That's not smut...or filth...that's a children's programme's star  ;) :D

And she's already been strongly featured on the Top Totty thread already (just ask Nosher & Kiwidave)  :d

I post I really nice thread about classic dr who eps and no one replies. Then... You should be disgusted with your self  =) 

Doctor Who, that's some kind of BBC sfi-fi series from long ago, isn't it?  ;)


I only remember seeing episodes on television when I was younger. And I really mean when I was little, some episodes I found quite scary at the time. I was born in 1964, so that's probably early/mid seventies. But I really only remember very little of it nowadays. Like investigating a colony ship (with cryogenic berths?) that proved an ideal environment for some kind of creature to lay eggs in.

Which makes me wonder. I can't remember ever seeing many re-runs of this series, anyone know why? Other series from this time-period (like original Star Trek, or Batman or some sitcoms) seem to be on all the time (at least on some commercial channels). I gather that there are DVD's available, so it can't be that all tapes have been lost (as I know happened with some Dutch TV series, early tapes were quite expensive, so were re-used later on). Something to do with rights, maybe?

Well the BBC doesn't rerun it here, I think it's a way to make us by the DVDs. But you can get almost very story now on DVD.

The one your talking about was Ark in Space, season 12, Tom Bakers 2nd ever story.

Netflix has a lot of old episodes of the early Dr Who on it

Quote from: Fenton on 10 January 2013, 11:45:38 AM
Netflix has a lot of old episodes of the early Dr Who on it

That's kind of what I mean. With the current glut of TV channels, you'd expect more of that. People getting on in years, and being nostalgic about what they saw when they were younger. And pretty low-cost, I would assume. But it doesn't seem to happen all that much for some series (or I don't know about it/can't get those channels). And I have a satellite setup, so I get a lot of channels.

So why do some series (Star Trek, Dad's Army) get aired all the time, and other's only sometimes/never? Is DVD sales the main answer? Or are there other reasons?

Yep, DVD sales. Evey doctor who story goes from aroun £12 each. Some up to £20ish!

The Daemons: Jon Pertwee and Katy Manning classic UNIT story with Delgado as the Master. This is basically Quatermass and the Pit retold. Has the classic line winged chap five rounds rapid fire in it.

Inferno: Another Pertwee and Manning story with UNIT set in an alternate timeline.

Genesis of the Daleks: Baker's classic, just has to be included.

Remembrance of the Daleks: McCoy and ACE story that has to rank as the second best Dalek, story after Genesis, in the Who universe.

Power of the Daleks: Troughton's first outing and a spooky claustrophobic tale of Daleks doing waht they do best.

Rememberence??? I think it was 5 out if 10... I'd except some may think is a decent episode, but top 5 all time DW?

If you are into the mythology of the Daleks it is one of the key episodes, and contrary to some people's opinions, a lot of the McCoy episodes were quite good, it's just that people only remember the bad ones.

So can be said for all the doctors. Tom had some poor eps (not a lot) so did trout and Davidson, he was an ok doctor but poor eps.

Just focusing on that story, yes it is a main part of Dalek history, just not delivered very well. That 'human Dalek' girl was poor, McCoy Vr any other classic doctor, poor, Ace ain't even in the top ten companions (in my opinion) and just the set up of the story could have been done so much better.

This is all just my opinion, if you like it, brill, but Day/planet/Evil/Genisis/destiny/death to the Daleks and the invashion earth are all better. Infact the only ones I consider worse than Rememberence is Resorecthion (ok but could habe been presented better) and The Chase .

They'ld still loose vs Weeping Angels!  ;D

Blink (the first one) although aint counted as 'clasic' is a fantastic episode, most likly in my top 10 all time DW eps. Eccleston's Dalek is a god one also. The new Cybermen... Pants (technically not Cybermen, there from earth and are cybernetic)

I watched Dr Who through most of the seventies, certainly with Jo Grant, Sarah-Jane Smith and Leela.

I can remember seeing a man eaten by a plastic sofa (Autons?), Sea Devils, Peladon, dinosaus invading London, giant maggots, giant spiders, a giant robot, mummies, cybermen, daleks, the Loch Ness monster and a whole load of other things.

The top 5 I can remember are Planet of the Daleks, Genesis of the Daleks, Pyramids of Mars, Giant Robot and Talons of Wien-chang. But there were plenty of other goodies at the time.

Sadly I don't think the programme has aged well. BBC4 showed the Hand Of Fear a couple of years ago. Sorry, but it was un-watchable rubbish.

Cheers, Martyn

Admittedly some have aged, but I look at it like this. If a friend tells me a good story, but he is bad at telling stories, it doesn't make that story bad... Does that make sense?

For example one story I had on Audio (made in 90s) was state of Decay. I love it, so recently I thought, better watch the episode, never seen it before. The sets were bad and the acting was worse... But it's the same story . So use it to teach you the story and take it away and CGI it in your head.

Hope that helps.

Top 5?  Well, for me there really is only one Dr, and he looks like Tom Baker.

So for me they'd run (in no particular order):

The Ark in Space (1975) - The first with Tom Baker at the helm.  It's a cracking story, made all the more so as its clear Ridley Scott basically stole the whole plot for his movie 'Alien'.  Ignore the overuse of bubble wrap though.  It was mind-blowingly new in 1975...

Pyramids of Mars (1975) - OK, so here we have Call of Cthulhu, Stargate, Agatha Christie, and a whole 'Green and Pleasant Land' Englishness rolled up into and insane 'end of Empire' style romp.  Bloody marvellous and one of the few series i'll still sit down and watch without thinking.

Genesis of the Daleks (1975)  Absolutely brilliant series where we see the Daleks being created.  Some top nothc soul-searching by the Dr as he contemplates retroactive genocide of the species.  The duologue exchange between the Dr and Davros is breathtaking.

The Robots of Death (1976)  A great story where sci-fi looms large and we get a healthy dose of Dune-esque desert mining.  Although its got robots in it i think we can see some real slavery analogies here, and it smacks of Azimov's Laws of Robotics arguments.

For the last one i'll divert into fringe territory with...

The Curse of Fenric (1989)  Dr Who had been staggering about in farce for some time with Sylvester McCoy at the helm (he does a good job as Radagast n the new Hobbit movies by the way).  But as the axe was about to fall, things started to come right again.  This story has hints of Weird World War II, and veers off into some disturbing Germanic Blood Myth territory.  McCoy seems to be finally let loose the of 'be a clown' direction, and turns in a startling performance of the Dr as really quite a dark figure.  His companion Ace is good too, and their relationship in particular is quite interesting.  Well worth a watch i think...

I haven't watched you last Lud' ill try and get hold of it (my mate has a little boy who's into the Who and Dr Who, we share our collections) .

Ark in space is a nice choice, 2nd Ep Lud? Robot? I really like it, I don't think the bubble rap put me off (watched a documentary once, supposedly then Bubble rap wasn't that well know yet and so looked fab) I think it wasn't quite dark enough, but its a Family/Kids show, the kids should be scared not scarred.    

Dim_Reaper likes Troutey due to his Loki trickster ways, my other mate and his Son like the Pert-maester for his quick thinking and ass kicking, Colin Baker is better than most realise, just never given a chance... All are in my top 4, but, I agree Lud' Tom is the one doctor.

I understood that Scott was legally established to have nicked the plot from the middle section of The Voyage of the Space Beagle.

Quote from: Luddite on 12 January 2013, 12:27:10 AMFor the last one i'll divert into fringe territory with...

The Curse of Fenric (1989)  Dr Who had been staggering about in farce for some time with Sylvester McCoy at the helm (he does a good job as Radagast n the new Hobbit movies by the way).  But as the axe was about to fall, things started to come right again.  This story has hints of Weird World War II, and veers off into some disturbing Germanic Blood Myth territory.  McCoy seems to be finally let loose the of 'be a clown' direction, and turns in a startling performance of the Dr as really quite a dark figure.  His companion Ace is good too, and their relationship in particular is quite interesting.  Well worth a watch i think...

I agree The Curse of Fenric was rather good, as was Ghost Light IMO. Heck Battlefield had its moments too. I would also argue that Silver Nemesis and Happiness Patrol have lots to commend them as well.

Quote from: Luddite on 12 January 2013, 12:27:10 AM

The Ark in Space (1975) - The first with Tom Baker at the helm.  It's a cracking story, made all the more so as its clear Ridley Scott basically stole the whole plot for his movie 'Alien'.

Alien was written by Dan O'Bannion, from a story by Dan O'Bannion and Ronald Shusett. Any ripping off of plot would have been done by the writer of the story & screenplay, not the director.

Cheers, Martyn
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Quote from: Raider4 on 12 January 2013, 02:46:41 PM
Alien was written by Dan O'Bannion, from a story by Dan O'Bannion and Ronald Shusett. Any ripping off of plot would have been done by the writer of the story & screenplay, not the director.

Cheers, Martyn
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Um...OK then.     ??? ???=)

Quote from: Paint it Pink on 12 January 2013, 10:04:00 AM
I agree The Curse of Fenric was rather good, as was Ghost Light IMO. Heck Battlefield had its moments too. I would also argue that Silver Nemesis and Happiness Patrol have lots to commend them as well.

'Silver Nemesis' is in the same boat as 'The Two Doctors' main plot was fab and with slight script edit they could have both been fab. For example, Trout with a ginger wig eating lots of food, pointless and pants part of the story, it spoilt the story not added. Silver nem, I can't quite put my finger on it, I think it was the poor way the '4th reike' were scripted.

I was talking to my mate yesterday about what doctor are people's fav's. He pointed out that its often the one you grow up with, Lud and PIP I wounder if you might both be a tad older than me (making you 30-35) and so grew up with McCoy and perhaps see him in a better light than I do?

Also, I do think that I perhaps have not given him much of a chance, I think I've only seen a handful of McCoy eps, Remberence and Silver Nemisis are both good eps, but somehow... I don't know, McCoy ain't bad but I I'm not keen on Ace, it's that hole, she looks mid 20s but is suppose to be and acts like a 16 YrOld. Mainly I think it's the soundtrack, very dated.

On the note of growing up with a Doctor, I was 4-5 when McCoy left and as such I grew up (7+) with no doctor who's. so my opinion was based on what was on my TV,VHS's... now this is the odd thing, I had 4 VHS doctor who's (that I watched a hole lot), and without thinking, all of them have made it to my top 5 all time (thanks mam and Dad for your good taste). Day of the Daleks, Revenge of the Cybermen, Robots of Dearh and The Five Doctors. So really I grew up with Tom, Peter and John

HAH !!

You bloomin' kiddy !
I hid behind the sofa the very first time the Daleks appeared ! (True)
Wish I was 30-35. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Cheers - Phil

Nah Tec, I was just talking about Lud and PIP. I know your.... Of grater experience.  

Out of interest Tec, as you have been around through all doctors, who's your frave? Or is it Hartnall as he was the first?

Quote from: Luddite on 12 January 2013, 12:27:10 AM
Pyramids of Mars (1975) - OK, so here we have Call of Cthulhu, Stargate, Agatha Christie, and a whole 'Green and Pleasant Land' Englishness rolled up into and insane 'end of Empire' style romp.  Bloody marvellous and one of the few series i'll still sit down and watch without thinking.

Just ordered this DVD on eBay, under your say so Lud. £6.13 (inc P&P) new!

However I've never seen a bad Tom Baker Ep... I've seen some that were so-so but no bad ones.

I want all the Tom Bakers but its around £300 for the remaining story's. However, one less! 22 (+E-Space trilogy) to go!

Quote from: Vulpine on 16 January 2013, 08:05:45 PM
Nah Tec, I was just talking about Lud and PIP. I know your.... Of grater experience.  

Out of interest Tec, as you have been around through all doctors, who's your frave? Or is it Hartnall as he was the first?

No.....Definitely not Hartnell.....
I can remember really enjoying Tom Baker's version of the Doctor....I think of the first 5 Doctors he'd be my favourite without a doubt.
After those, I think I would vote for David Tennant's portrayal.

But.....It's a bit unfair to put the 'modern' Doctors against the 'old timers', as they seem to have far better budgets nowadays....better/'more realistic' (?) costumes for the bad guys (perhaps), better sets, better 'filming techniques' and then the technology for special effects has improved things beyond recognition.

Just as an aside....I was allowed to take the '5 Doctors' from the local market on 'sale or return'.....
Well....I watched it all the way through.....But it did seem so cheap and cheerful, I was rather disappointed.....I should have stayed with my memories from all those years ago.....They were better than the reality. ;)  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Still had a wonderful charm about it though. :)

Cheers - Phil.

 :o  :'(

Sorry V.
This has given me the idea for a new thread.
I won't post it here yet.....Otherwise we'll go off on a real tangent.
Cheers - Phil.

Let me think... Program's from childhood that now don't seem as good?

Along those lines V....and what HAS stood the test of time.
But let's not start it here, otherwise we will go off on a tangent. ;)
Cheers - Phil.

Tom Baker IS the Dr.  Accept no substitutes.



Until, that is, they cast Ray Winstone as the Dr, playing him as a battered TimeWar veteran embittered and damaged beyond repair by a millennium of trying to stem the tides of chaos. 

A sort of 'John Constantine' figure, completely hollowed out by his experiences.

That might give Tom a run for his money.



If you could choose the next Dr, who would it be?


Stephen Fry?  Witty, eridite, enlightened, intelligent beyond imagining.

Michael Sheen?  So versatile an actor it could go anywhere...

Tilda Swinton doing the Dr as an androgenous inhuman sylph?

Personally i'd go with Philip Seymour Hoffman payling the Dr as a world weary idealist akin to the Gust Avrakotos character he played in Charlie Wilson's War.

:D

Sean bean as a wiry yet at the same time energetic time vet!

Or Brian blessed! "THE TARRRDIIIISSS !!"

Sean Bean?!?!?

He'd have to keep moving though or how would you tell him apart from the wooden scenery?

I love Sean!!! Only guy who could turn me!

 8)
You tart !!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Cheers - Phil.

I know you can take it... But can you stand!  :P