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Title: Latest Masters
Post by: mart678 on 22 November 2012, 12:54:35 PM
Hi Everyone
Just handed these over at Warfare:
(http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o551/mart6678/100_6947.jpg)

and this:
(http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o551/mart6678/100_6948.jpg)

Hope you like them centurion and T54/55 next
Martin
Title: Re: Latest Masters
Post by: Jim Ando on 22 November 2012, 05:44:42 PM
ER what are they by the way.

Jim
Title: Re: Latest Masters
Post by: mart678 on 22 November 2012, 07:28:10 PM
Hi Jim
First ones are converted Hotchkiss 39's one to Pak 40(75mm) one to (10.5cm sp) the last is a command/op tank all used by 21st Panzer in Normandy

The last vehicle is a Birch Gun a AA /SP gun with a 18 pdr quick fire used as an AA gun in Late 20's to mid 30's

Martin
Title: Re: Latest Masters
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 22 November 2012, 07:54:45 PM
Really nice work sir!
8)
Title: Re: Latest Masters
Post by: nikharwood on 22 November 2012, 08:46:54 PM
Nicely done Martin  8)
Title: Re: Latest Masters
Post by: mart678 on 23 November 2012, 10:18:11 PM
Why thank you gentlemen I am glad you like them
Title: Re: Latest Masters
Post by: Hertsblue on 24 November 2012, 09:57:56 AM
Yep, congrats, Martin. Really neat work.  8)
Title: Re: Latest Masters
Post by: sultanbev on 24 November 2012, 10:52:34 AM
A Birch Gun eh? ideal for the VBCW stuff. Looked up my notes on it:
IOC: 1927
crew: 6
road speed: 22kmh
armour: 6mm gun shield only, rest unarmoured
armament: 18pdr 83.4mm Mk.5 field-AA gun
ammo: APHE, HE, S
weight: 12tons
number built: 7

Which differs from Wiki, which cites 45kmh road speed, and a 75mm AA gun of unspecified type.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birch_gun

Later version (Mk.III?) with enclosed turret shown here:
http://www.jedsite.info/artillery-bravo/bravo/birch-gun_series/birchgun-series.html

and google doesn't present much else.  Obviously an indirect fire weapon, how many of us are going to use them as pseudo-assault guns?  :D
Title: Re: Latest Masters
Post by: fred. on 24 November 2012, 11:06:29 AM
the 21st panzer ones look interesting.

Birch gun is certainly novel!! Wiki seems to say 18pdr early on then 75mm later.
Title: Re: Latest Masters
Post by: mart678 on 24 November 2012, 02:24:33 PM
If you chech out this site it gives the complete history of the 18pdr including it rebarreling to 75mm and the use of the main part of the 18pdr less barrel in making 25pdrs http://www.landships.freeservers.com/british_18pdr.htm
Title: Re: Latest Masters
Post by: sunjester on 24 November 2012, 04:10:15 PM
These look great.  I'm already planning the next order so I hopw these are available soon!
:D
Title: Re: Latest Masters
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on 26 November 2012, 12:26:39 AM
Hello All

Good news on the Birch Gun. I must admit, I have sat with the Vickers Medium and thinking of how to saw off bits and add others  :).

Quote from: sultanbev on 24 November 2012, 10:52:34 AM
Obviously an indirect fire weapon, how many of us are going to use them as pseudo-assault guns?  :D

Curses, there goes that cunning plan. Now I can sit and wait for the Birch Gun, I'll have to sit now with the Vickers 6 ton and think how I can add a 40mm pompom for AA capability ;D ;D:-

(http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/GreatBritain/GB-VickersArmstrong40mmAA-IonFonosch.jpg)

Maybe I can use the pompom from the Boar War range. Any ideas on whether they'd look ok. Yes I know that only Thailand are listed as having these but where's that fun in that  :D

Cheers

GrumpyOldMan
Title: Re: Latest Masters
Post by: mart678 on 26 November 2012, 10:32:39 AM
Hi Grumpyoldman

just done a bit of digging you would be better of using the british WW1 aa trucks gun as these where 2 pdr's or 40mm hope this helps also the british army used the artillery tractor based on the mark e in france in 1939/40 for towing heavy guns I think its called a dragon its basicaly your AA version without the sides
anything else I can help with give me a shout

Regards
Martin
Title: Re: Latest Masters
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on 26 November 2012, 10:07:15 PM
Hi mart678

The dragon medium mk iv based on the 6 ton looks interesting:-

(http://www.jedsite.info/tractors-delta/delta/dragon_series/dragon-4/dragon4_001.jpg)

(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Army-Dragon-Medium-Mk-IV-B12E1-Vickers-Tractor-Carrier-Official-photo-Tank-/00/s/MTIwMFg5NjQ=/$(KGrHqNHJDcE+cntZEv)BQW8mOn-y!~~60_57.JPG)

I might have to play around with the dragon mediums mki and mkii though, they look fun, and I may still get to cut up a Vickers medium mkii  :D:-

(http://www.jedsite.info/tractors-delta/delta/dragon_series/dragon-1/dragon1_002.jpg)

(http://www.jedsite.info/tractors-delta/delta/dragon_series/dragon-2/dragon2_004.jpg)

Of course then I'd have to get medium/heavy artillery to go with them.

Cheers

GrumpyOldMan

Title: Re: Latest Masters
Post by: sultanbev on 26 November 2012, 10:17:25 PM
I want you to do some Light Dragons to tow my mate's 2pdr ATG for his British interventionist forces for the SCW, plus the Independent heavy tank.
Title: Re: Latest Masters
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on 27 November 2012, 01:13:09 AM
Hi sultanbev

Without too much work you could use the new armoured ambulance as a Light Dragon Mk III

(http://www.pendraken.co.uk/ProductImages/BR166.JPG)

(http://www.jedsite.info/tractors-delta/delta/dragon_series/light-dragon-mk3/ld3_001.jpg)

(http://www.military2maritime.co.uk/V512Mw-LIGHT_DRAGON.jpg)

(http://media.iwm.org.uk/iwm/mediaLib/55/media-55242/large.jpg)

Cheers

GrumpyOldMan

EDIT: Pic resized.
Title: Re: Latest Masters
Post by: Hertsblue on 27 November 2012, 08:23:50 AM
Now that's what I need in Tesco's car park.  :D