I haven't seen these; are they Science vs Pluck with an American accent?
I'm not sure on the rules themselves, but they were written by a team of guys quite a few years ago now, one of whom was Pete Berry of Baccus. The rules are planned for a revamp/reprint in the not too distant future hopefully.
I've played Pony Wars but only read through SvP
Although all players are on the same side in both games I got the feel that SvP has a lot more role playing in it.
Pony Wars is basically a straight up fight driven by cards which either bring on US Troops or Indians or have special events such as "Sitting Bull appears with 50 Mounted Warriors" while you command an officer and 4 troopers who are low on carbine ammo trying to persuade some settlers to pack up and head for the fort
Hi
I haven't seen Science vs Pluck but I have had Pony Wars for a few decades. From what I've read of Science vs Pluck, they are a similar set.
Pony Wars - Lots of fun ideas but the mechanics, especially fire combat and casualties are definitely old school (which may be good news or bad news depending on your viewpoint :) ). I've taken some of the mechanics from Pony Wars added them to Red Actions and If the Lord Should Spare Us for our home grown VBCW/Imagi-Nations campaign here at home (Pit Pony Wars?). It's necessary when my two boys are involved that we all are on the same side, it's now possible to see how real life campaigns have collapsed from friction and point scoring within a command structure ;D ;D ;D, having them on opposite sides in unthinkable. I like to put moral dilemmas into any rules and my elder boy is now known as The Cad for putting an AT round into a bus which was, unknown to him, full of orphans going on an outing to the seaside.
Getting back to the point, if you like old style rules get Pony Wars and play as-is. If you like newer type rules wait for the re-jigging or graft the best bits into other rules.
Cheers
GrumpyOldMan
Thanks, everyone.
Quote from: GrumpyOldMan on 07 November 2012, 09:58:48 PM
putting an AT round into a bus which was, unknown to him, full of orphans going on an outing to the seaside.
Why this needs to be part of a scenario is beyond me :(
Helps to establish our credentials as bloodthirsty psychopaths stuck at the moral and emotional level of pre-pubescents?
Is that the same as "deranged juvenile sickos"? :D
Quote from: Nosher on 08 November 2012, 08:27:03 AM
Why this needs to be part of a scenario is beyond me :(
Maybe to emphasise that shooting everything that moves may not always be the best course of action?
Martyn
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Quote from: Raider4 on 08 November 2012, 05:34:06 PM
Maybe to emphasise that shooting everything that moves may not always be the best course of action?
Martyn
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Precisely, I've worked with, and over, lots of people and most of them know right from wrong - but young men especially have got into really serious trouble by making impulsive, drastic decisions on the spot. Young lives ruined by a thoughtless moment. If I can lead my boys to have a few micro thoughts between perception and reaction then it may just save real anguish later. It also helps move them away from rule systems that emphasise overwhelming fire-power and super armies as the only solutions :D. If it's any help, my younger boy on being told that a bus full of women was approaching his area of control, let it enter his perimeter and was promptly captured by a Rosa Luxemburg company :).
(http://libcom.org/files/images/milicianas%5B1%5D.jpg)
At least this way they may pay attention rather than switch off when dad speaks :). Something I can remember from my own boyhood many, many years in the past.
Cheers
GrumpyOldMan
Quote from: GrumpyOldMan on 08 November 2012, 10:49:32 PM
...promptly captured by a Rosa Luxemburg company :).
(http://libcom.org/files/images/milicianas%5B1%5D.jpg)
I quite fancy being captured by the one at the back y'know... ;) :d
Quote from: nikharwood on 08 November 2012, 11:36:15 PM
I quite fancy being captured by the one at the back y'know... ;) :d
Are you sure? This is her now:
(http://vodkashootsyou.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/angry_old_russion_lady.jpg)
:D
Quote from: nikharwood on 08 November 2012, 11:36:15 PM
I quite fancy being captured by the one at the back y'know... ;) :d
I think the one in the middle looks more fun :d
Quote from: Leon on 08 November 2012, 11:47:05 PM
Are you sure? This is her now:
(http://vodkashootsyou.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/angry_old_russion_lady.jpg)
:D
Ouch...
Quote from: Sandinista on 09 November 2012, 12:17:03 AM
I think the one in the middle looks more fun :d
Maybe - but I quite like that sultry look there...
So - that's Sandinista & I sorted, any takers for the one in the front? :D
Quote from: nikharwood on 09 November 2012, 12:31:30 AM
So - that's Sandinista & I sorted, any takers for the one in the front? :D
She'd probably be quite grateful... :-\ :D
Quote from: GrumpyOldMan on 08 November 2012, 10:49:32 PM
but young men especially have got into really serious trouble by making impulsive, drastic decisions on the spot. Young lives ruined by a thoughtless moment.
And as someone who has made a career out of working with young people (particulary young men and particularly fathers) I would beg to differ on your reasoning. Yes young men are at a particularly challenging time even more so since the traditional roles in families have changed throughout the last century, but there are far better ways to teach them about responsibility, duty, right from wrong etc.
Apologies if my initial post was shirty, but I just cant see the logic of including such a thing in a 'game'