Hi,
Had an Idea thought it might be a good idea to get more 10mm gamers involved so posted it up on the Blog over two post so its a bit long to post here, heres the links if anyone can give a helping hand.
http://grandscalewargaming.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/warmaster-is-dead-and-scale-along-with.html
http://grandscalewargaming.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/though-this-be-madness-yet-there-is.html
Be warned first post is a bit of a rant ;)
Regards,
Jason.
Also make sure you've packed plenty of supplies and assembled a good team of native porters before you start on one of BL's sentences, or you'll never make it to the end alive!
Which said, have to agree that there's been a heck of a lot in a very limited range of history, mostly already well covered, at the expense of some sadly neglected periods.
Warmaster isnt dead, its just "OOP and Rare" for those of use silly enough to Ebay our rulebooks.
I keep my stack of them in the family vault, waiting for the day that they start going for £1000+ a pop
Saw Warmaster Medievals going for £40 the other day, not bad for a book with an £18 ticket on it. :o
There isn't a 10mm-specific set out there, and it's something we'd like to remedy at some point. The trouble is that saying that and bringing it to fruition are too entirely different things. A good set needs a solid engine/mechanism, quality input, rigorous playtesting, and then good marketing and figure ranges to back it up. At the moment we simply don't have the spare time to get anything off the ground like that. I am still quietly plugging away on things though, so we'll hopefully get to it sooner rather than later.
On the releases front, it has been a little quiet on the pre-1800 front for a while now, but Techno is about to start work on revamping the Ancient Spanish, and then we'll be moving on to the Gauls after that. The Medieval range won't be getting anything added for the foreseeable, but we'll be adding some generic Dark Age civilians at some point soon.
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Quote from: Leon on 10 September 2012, 04:36:23 PM
Techno is about to start work on revamping the Ancient Spanish,
I've started....But don't tell Leon ! :-$ ;)
Quote from: Leon on 10 September 2012, 04:36:23 PM
On the releases front, it has been a little quiet on the pre-1800 front for a while now, but Techno is about to start work on revamping the Ancient Spanish, and then we'll be moving on to the Gauls after that. The Medieval range won't be getting anything added for the foreseeable, but we'll be adding some generic Dark Age civilians at some point soon.
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But rather than revamp existing ranges, why not produce something new and fill in some gaps in the (vast) Ancient period?
I haven't bought anything new for my Warmaster Ancients collection since the excellent Late Romans were released. I've got Sassanids and would love to field some Western opponents, Vandals, Goths/Visigoths, Huns, Gepids etc. I was talking to one of the Tring Club members at Colours, who wanted to start on an Ancients Army. He wants something different to the armies currently in use at the club, so that rules out Late Romans and Sassanids, EIR, Gauls/British and Dacian. But he wants to be able to fight against at least some of those armies, not have to field both sides himself like he would have to do with the Carthaginian Wars. Sadly we decided he would have to look elsewhere than Pendraken in order to do this! :(
Quote from: sunjester on 10 September 2012, 10:14:40 PM
But rather than revamp existing ranges, why not produce something new and fill in some gaps in the (vast) Ancient period?
We are doing that to an extent, but they'll need to be done as we move through the current ranges, as we want to revamp a lot of the older ones at the same time. I've got the list of Ancients requests, and we're scheduling things into the new sculpts as and when we can. New ranges will also be added in as we go, in as logical an order as we can!
Clib also wants to do the Goths soon, so once we get the LoA out of the way, that's where he'll be heading I'd think.
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Quote from: Leon on 11 September 2012, 12:42:11 AM
Clib also wants to do the Goths soon, so once we get the LoA out of the way, that's where he'll be heading I'd think.
Is that wise given his apparent aversion to cavalry?
Given the recent rush of Dark Age rules, Saga and the 2 Duxes (dunno what a pair of Dux would be called) a range of Saxons and Sub Romans might be just the ticket.
I'll get me coat.
I tried to post on your blog, but Wordpress sulked.
My suggestions
Convert inches to cm, like I did with Black Powder.
OR
Count bases - 4 figs on one base, instead of 1 28mm figure. You still count the same number, but you get the mass effect. Eg a 20 man unit has 80 figures BUT you count the bases, so still 20.
Quote from: GordonY on 11 September 2012, 01:57:46 AM
Given the recent rush of Dark Age rules, Saga and the 2 Duxes (dunno what a pair of Dux would be called) a range of Saxons and Sub Romans might be just the ticket.
I'll get me coat.
I'd buy that for a dollar!
Personally I dont think a scale specific rule set is the answer? Why?? Because I am guessing most of us with 10mm collections already use non-scale specific rules other than Warmaster and its variants for our games.
I currently play ALL of the following with 10mm figures: Dux Bellorum, Dux Brittanariium, Maurice, FoG Ancients/Ren/Naps, Warmaster, DBM/DBA, Black Powder, Pike and Shotte, Hail Caesar and Principles of War. Inches converetd to cm's, base sizes often the same as their larger brothers but with more figures etc, etc.
My 14 year old son (who hasn't really ever shown much interest in wargaming) commented on my 28mm SAGA Vikings this weekend about how much more he likes playing with 'really big figures'. Odd given he has played the same games with 28's as he has with 10's, 15's and 6mm figures that he should think like this, but I guess that is what the younger generation is brought up on given the proliferation of Games Workshop etc
Thinking about it some more, this same generation has been brought up on strategy card games too. It was only a matter of time before the two were combined a-la Maurice, DBrittaniarium etc etc
Hi everyone
I am also of the opinion that most commercial rule sets can be altered to be used with 10 mm by either halving the distances or changing to centimetres.
Andy
Greetings
It's almost worth having an FAQ on the Pendraken site on 'how to use 10mm with your favourite rule set'.
This could range from the 'change inches to cm' through 'use 15mm basing and distances but fill the 15mm basing with more 10mm figures' to implications on table size etc. For instance using 10mm for General de Brigade one could do a number of things - keep 1:20 and go for a 6-figure company base on a 20mm frontage, use 25mm basing and fill a company frontage with double the figures i.e. a 1:10 ratio etc.
Regards
Edward
Edward,
Great idea! I love playing games designed for bigger figures, using 10mm, it just looks so much better! Don't forget Real Time
Wargames rules, which Are designed for 10mm figures, and do big battles really well. I also think 10mm are ideal for both Maurice and Volley and Bayonet.
Mollinary
Howdy Bishop,
Where do you get the download for Scottorum Malleus?
Hi,
The best way is to drop Dan Mersey an e.mail via his Blog here's the link:-
http://merseybooks.blogspot.co.uk/
Jason.
Thanks
I can't understand the notion that a set of rules is for a particular scale. If you like the rules play them with the scale you like. I find it rediculous to search for, or want to develop, a '10mm set'.
Quote from: Gennorm on 25 September 2012, 02:57:56 PM
I can't understand the notion that a set of rules is for a particular scale. If you like the rules play them with the scale you like. I find it rediculous to search for, or want to develop, a '10mm set'.
Right with you on that one
Ermm, nah, some rules scream out for a bigger scale, some for a smaller scale.
Secrets of the Third Reich for instance, while you could do it in 10mm (or smaller) wouldnt really work that well, similarly while you could do BKC in 28mm, why would you want to? SoTR is a single figure centric skirmish came, and BKC is more about the broad sweeps of your troops and in 10mm a 6ft x 4ft table holds a lot of troops and gives them a fair area to maneouvere in. In 28mm youd be lucky to field 4 or 5 tanks plus infantry in that space and the shooting ranges would look ridiculous, almost as bad as 40k where a pistol cant fire the length of a tank. Wanna play 40k, play Epic or FWC, it all looks good at that scale.
To be honest I have to disagree with those who say 'just play any game you like in 10mm it will be okay' Ive played many rules sets in 10mm(and 6mm) over the years and there are only some games where a 28mm (or other scale) game can be played with 10mm.
Use 10mm for your DBx ,Hail Caesar, Impetus type games(im sure there are others) and they work great,I played all my DBx and Impetus in 10mm and 6mm. But to say you can play the likes of WAB ,CoE or Saga,ive tried :o just doesn't look or feel right and to make it work you generally always have to jig the rules set, I don't go with this 'just change inches to cm's or use half distances' comment. Look what Warmaster did for the scale, more 10mm manufactures, more ranges becoming available from existing manufactures etc etc(and yes I was using 10mm long before WM came out). So what is wrong with wanting a set made for just the 10mm scale???
Jason.
What I mean by any rules for any scale is that is is just the foot print that your using, so in WAB for example, you would still use the 20x20 base and just put more figures on it, same as you would for DBM , Impetus etc
There are cases - mainly the extremes - where rules don't really work in a particular scale, but most rules will work in most scales. I've played the '28mm' Black Powder in 6mm, 10mm, 15mm and 40mm - in fact nearly every scale except that of the figures whose sales it's supposed to encourage. That's a marketing ploy that didn't work! There's nothing wrong with someone developing a set specifically for 10mm, but the test for many of us is whether it's any good and then if it is we'll use it for 15mm, 6mm or whatever scales we happen to have in that period already.