It's a bumper month with 31 new releases! Let us know your thoughts.
We'll get some pics sorted once the results of the poll are in!
WWI BRITISH
BP38 Mk V* Male £4.00
BP39 Mk V* Female £4.00
BP40 Mk V* Hermaphrodite £4.00
WWI FRENCH
F24 37mm gun with crew (3) £3.00
SCW VEHICLES
SCV2 Bilbao Armoured car £2.00
SCV3 Armoured Republican truck Type A £2.00
SCW REGULAR ARMY
(summer dress, helmet, shirt, granadero trousers, blanket)
SCW55 Foot, standing, firing £1.05
SCW56 Foot, running, weapon across chest £1.05
SCW57 Bomber, throwing grenade £1.05
SCW58 NCO, turning with Star RU 1935 SMG £1.05
SCW59 Officer, pistol raised £1.05
SCW60 Standard bearer £1.05
SCW61 Hotchkiss M1914 MMG team (3) £1.05
SCW INTERNATIONAL BRIGADE
SCW62 Foot, kneeling, firing, tunic, Czech helmet £1.05
SCW63 Foot, walking, rifle 45°, cazadora, pasamontana £1.05
SCW64 Bomber, running, shirt, Adrian helmet £1.05
SCW65 NCO, waving forward, zcazadora, jerkin, beret £1.05
SCW66 Officer, pointing, jacket, crushed peaked cap £1.05
SCW67 Standard bearer, tabard, pasamontana £1.05
SCW68 Maxim M1910, cazadora, puttees, Adrian helmet (3) £1.05
SCW69 Degteryev DP team (3) £1.05
SCW70 Chauchat SMG/LMG gunner, cazadora, Adrian helmet £1.05
WW2 BRITISH
BR139 Churchill AVRE with fascine £4.00
BR140 Jeep with raised windscreen and tilt (2) £1.75
WW2 GERMAN
GR205 Sdkfz 251/3 with frame aerial £1.75
GR206 Sdkfz 251/2 80mm mortar carrier and crew £1.75
GR207 Sdkfz 251 with map table and crew £1.75
GR208 Sdkfz 3 Internal security vehicle £1.75
WW2 ITALIAN
ITA20 Motorcycle despatch riders (5) £1.75
WW2 RUSSIAN
SV57 Motorcycle despatch riders (5) £1.75
WW2 HUNGARIAN
HU1 Toldi I £1.75
Just for info, the Mk V*'s and the French 37mm gun were requests from customers, so we do take everything on board! Next month will also feature a lot of Forum requests.
Some great additions to the SCW range 8). Really looking forward to the pics.
Forgot to add that the Sdkfz 3 will be great for AVBCW as well as WWII.
Now I need to find some figures that will look like Boy Scouts for use in AVBCW for, unsuprisingly, Recce units.
Quote from: Steve J on 07 May 2010, 07:04:35 AM
Forgot to add that the Sdkfz 3 will be great for AVBCW as well as WWII.
Now I need to find some figures that will look like Boy Scouts for use in AVBCW for, unsuprisingly, Recce units.
Yes it will, we put it in the WW2 section, but it can really be used throughout the 20's/30's I think.
I'll have a think if we've got anything for boy scouts!
A Toldi I...nice. Some of those minor ally vehicles are pretty cool.
Good stuff - it's great to see a regular release schedule with a load of great things on it!
"I'll have a think if we've got anything for boy scouts!"
I was thinking possibly some of the Middle East WWI or American WWI infantry may be suitable. Long socks and long shorts give a good starting point. Possibly some of the East Africa stuff as well might be usable. Add a bit of green stuff for the helmet and I reckon they would be fine.
Any feedback would be great Leon.
Disappointing, actually. Much more colourful stuff has been discussed in the forum. :(
Quote from: FierceKitty on 08 May 2010, 06:58:47 PM
Disappointing, actually. Much more colourful stuff has been discussed in the forum. :(
:o ??? :'(
The MkV*'s, 37mm French gun, SCW International Brigade and the Russian motorbikes have all been things requested on the Forum.
There's been a whole lot of stuff been discussed on here, but the Forum is only 2 months old. It takes time to go from a request, then on to the design schedule, to a master figure, to a mould, etc.
Was there anything specific you were expecing? Next month will have some more things that have been requested here.
Quote from: Leon on 08 May 2010, 08:01:22 PM
:o ??? :'(
Don't be upset. To those who registered early, it is obvious that the new releases are partly in answer to specific requests. I distinctly remember supporting the suggestion for Russian WWII motorcycles myself. And I will most certainly order them.
I hope this sort of huge release list is going to be a monthly feature. It's quite spectacular. Hats off to the Pendraken crew. :-*
Cheers,
Aart
QuoteDisappointing, actually.
You're kidding right? You need to add a wink or a poke-tongue smiley at the end of your post... :P
31 new releases 'disappointing'...I don't think so. The Evil Empire haven't managed 31 distinct new releases this month.
There's no pleasing some people ;)
I have some grip of the development and release cycle in my own business, so I am quite pleased to see some Russian motorcyclists. From what I have seen from other manufacturers, I would have been pleasantly surprised at 6 moths, and not disappointed at a year.
But perhaps an explanation of what has to happen from conception through the decision to proceed, concept, design, production and delivery would help folks unfamiliar with the miniatures business understand what the cycle is like.
Quite right. One non-10mm project I've been working on has still to see the light of day after nearly a year, another started in January and is months away from release yet.
For the 10mm stuff, it often depnds on me desinging dollies which are then cast and added to for master figures. It can easily take a couple of weeks just to send, cast and get back the dollies (they have to go in the queue like everything else). I would guess the time from first sculpting started to first figures released (i.e. only kicking the range off) is for me at least, about three to four months. I can only speak for myself though.
If you look at the variety of requests on the forum, and consider it would all have to be done by a small number of designers, well, its going to take time. Even if you pare away the unviable and niche subjects the volume is still huge.
I know we'll never be able to please everyone, but we try to do a pretty close job! These 31 releases represents a huge amount of time/work/money, and next month we're looking at another 20-ish hopefully.
Well I for one am very happy at the releases, but then it is stuff I'm interested in.
True. Its a bit like buying a wargames magazine, we tend on judge an issue on the subjects covered. If they conincide with our interests we like it, but if its stuff we aren't into it tends to get a gets a "meh".
There's always the next issue.
None of them are my periods but its an impressive set of releases. From where i stand there's lots of good things happening at Pendraken this year - long may it continue.
Next month might not be impressive to some people either then! It's mainly 20th C. stuff again, hopefully with some Fantasy/Sci-Fi thrown in.
I'm not underestimating the work involved, and I know makers need to make a profit. But this is also true of the blown-glass ornamental animals business; still no use to me. I'm disappointed at the lack of various fascinating figures that have been requested by various enthusiasts, and frankly by the repetitive nature of some gamers' interests. I can't avoid the feeling that the endless calls for yet more little 20th century gnomes in battledress or yet more Napoleonics are the result of a lack of imagination or effort on the part of many gamers (rather like the way certain types of Americans on holiday in Italy or Japan can be heard bleating about the difficulty of finding a hamburger, or the way every concert of baroque music seems to feel obliged to include the Four Seasons). There's SOOOOO much more out there, and I wish gamers would give producers a bit more incentive to make it.
Hate me if you want to.
Quote from: FierceKitty on 09 May 2010, 03:05:19 PM
Hate me if you want to.
Too much trouble.
Just leave our Americans friends alone, and let's agree to disagree about the rest of your post.
Cheers,
Aart
Finally another vote for baroque gnomes!
Quote from: FierceKitty on 09 May 2010, 03:05:19 PM
I'm not underestimating the work involved, and I know makers need to make a profit. But this is also true of the blown-glass ornamental animals business; still no use to me. I'm disappointed at the lack of various fascinating figures that have been requested by various enthusiasts, and frankly by the repetitive nature of some gamers' interests. I can't avoid the feeling that the endless calls for yet more little 20th century gnomes in battledress or yet more Napoleonics are the result of a lack of imagination or effort on the part of many gamers (rather like the way certain types of Americans on holiday in Italy or Japan can be heard bleating about the difficulty of finding a hamburger, or the way every concert of baroque music seems to feel obliged to include the Four Seasons). There's SOOOOO much more out there, and I wish gamers would give producers a bit more incentive to make it.
Hate me if you want to.
I understand what you're saying, but we have to concentrate on what is going to be financially beneficial, and then do the more unique requests when we can. The South American Pacific War is a good example of that, where it's never going to be a huge seller, but it was a bit different and we wanted to do it.
Some of the requests we've had on the Forum have piqued our interest, and we'll try and fit them in where we can, but it is always going to be a long process. From deciding to do a figure, to putting it on the website, can take anything from 3 months to a year. We've got some more requested stuff in the pipeline, but like I said before, the Forum is only 2 months old, and we've got to fit these new requests into what we've already got scheduled.
So for the time being, our focus will be on the items that have the most votes, and we'll try and fit the more random things in around those.
:o
Dave/Leon/Lynne are more likely to go for something if it gets plenty of votes on here.
So if you've got a particular interest the best plan would probably be to get all your mates to join and support your request.
Matt
Damn you mean me repeatedly asking for AWI generals only counts as one vote ? :o
Quote from: goat major on 09 May 2010, 06:14:31 PM
Damn you mean me repeatedly asking for AWI generals only counts as one vote ? :o
Haha! Unfortunately so! :D
You'll be glad to hear that Clib's gonna be working on these pretty soon.
Greetings
I'd far prefer Pendraken to produce excellent figures that people buy and add more eclectic items when they can than cater to a lot of niche tastes and disappear :).
I'm in the process of painting some Pendraken SYW Prussians as SYW Brunswickers (v Imhoff's regiment) and admiring the latest Battlegames teaser, so I may well buy more - as well as some 20th century.
Regards
Edwaard
Quote from: Leon on 09 May 2010, 12:49:36 AM
and next month we're looking at another 20-ish hopefully.
All of them more SCW? :P
Quote from: cfeicht on 09 May 2010, 09:22:12 PM
All of them more SCW? :P
No SCW this time, there might be a vehicle or two but it will depend on the designer.
Mate!!! youve got to love FierceKitty- bless! Maybe he could suggest a few things that would 'sell' and get peoples imaginations going.
Please dont diss my requests for boring old Napoleonics - have you seen other ranges out there!? it is a tundra.
I am not into SCW WW1 WW2 but come off it man you can't moan about the amount of releases- I only wish I did do WW2 - I would be happy happy days ( although those chaps are spoilt for choice in this period- lucky B#####s)
Naaaaa keep it up and ignore the negatives - your bag baby (meeow) :P ;D :D :) ;)
Quote from: 17-21l on 10 May 2010, 02:59:08 PM
Mate!!! youve got to love FierceKitty- bless! Maybe he could suggest a few things that would 'sell' and get peoples imaginations going.
Please dont diss my requests for boring old Napoleonics - have you seen other ranges out there!? it is a tundra.
I am not into SCW WW1 WW2 but come off it man you can't moan about the amount of releases- I only wish I did do WW2 - I would be happy happy days ( although those chaps are spoilt for choice in this period- lucky B#####s)
Naaaaa keep it up and ignore the negatives - your bag baby (meeow) :P ;D :D :) ;)
What's come over you? Has your request for Undead Space Vikings in Drag been turned down again? :-*
Ha ha - no that would be far to 'out' for me - im just boring old historical :-*
Quote from: 17-21l on 11 May 2010, 12:56:01 PM
Ha ha - no that would be far to 'out' for me - im just boring old historical :-*
I feel your pain. Right now I'm reading some stuffy book on the eighteenth century
Jäger und Schützen der Preußischen Armee. And this morning the mailman brought these corny Russian and Japanese warships of the 1905 war, it's insane, why do I bother? I know I'm hurting myself because there is so much more out there man, so much more. :o
Stick to it pal- get some ACW in as well - hey we are the boring guys keeping the boat afloat as we buy the normal stuff - all this 'Great Pomegranate wars of outer florisian empires 1453 - 839 - with space turtles against giant hairy testicals' - its all b#ll#cks (litteraly)
Companies need boring swine like my good self- and it makes me feel proud and wanted :D :D :-X
Quote from: 17-21l on 11 May 2010, 01:18:21 PM
Stick to it pal- get some ACW in as well - hey we are the boring guys keeping the boat afloat as we buy the normal stuff - all this 'Great Pomegranate wars of outer florisian empires 1453 - 839 - with space turtles against giant hairy testicals' - its all b#ll#cks (litteraly)
Companies need boring swine like my good self- and it makes me feel proud and wanted :D :D :-X
Hear hear, we're old and stuffy and educated, probably hard-working and smelly as well, and we'll certainly soon be dead. We should take up a hobby or sumtin.
Oh wait.. ::)
I game periods I have a genuine interest in; namely WWII and the Cold War at present. In the future I would like to return to ECW but only when I find the time and inclination.
I would like to game other periods in the future but, to be honest, I think I would tire of them fairly quickly. Why? I think I would get bored of, to my mind, the fairly rigid way that battles were fought in say the middle ages or the 18th century. A good friend of mine many years ago made the very valid point (to my mind) that it is nigh on impossible to game in say an 18thC frame of mind and not add in 20thC tactics and mindsets. I hope this is clear.
Quote from: Steve J on 11 May 2010, 06:47:45 PM
I game periods I have a genuine interest in; namely WWII and the Cold War at present. In the future I would like to return to ECW but only when I find the time and inclination.
I would like to game other periods in the future but, to be honest, I think I would tire of them fairly quickly. Why? I think I would get bored of, to my mind, the fairly rigid way that battles were fought in say the middle ages or the 18th century. A good friend of mine many years ago made the very valid point (to my mind) that it is nigh on impossible to game in say an 18thC frame of mind and not add in 20thC tactics and mindsets. I hope this is clear.
What you say is quite profound, and probably erroneous (Conrad).
After all, what's the difference? We can't very well game with the mindset of a 1941 Ukarainian conscript or an ex-Pionier East German tank commander either. Yet that is what you try to do when you concentrate on your favourite game periods, WWII and the Cold War. Sure, there are degrees of remoteness here, but if you have ever been to the former Soviet Union you will know that even the relatively recent Cold War mindset can be
quite remote.
Cheers,
Aart
Cor Blimey Art - you just eaten some kind of dictionary dood? - bit deep man, Whats your thought on animosities during the Danish invasions of the British Isles??? :D ;)
Quote from: 17-21l on 11 May 2010, 08:39:54 PM
Cor Blimey Art - you just eaten some kind of dictionary dood? - bit deep man, Whats your thought on animosities during the Danish invasions of the British Isles??? :D ;)
That's funny, I thought the other guy was being a tad too dictionariabilical. Invasion of the British what, you say? :-[
Dicttio ?? Dittty dick ? Oh its easy for you to say!! You know the invasion :-X
The 37mm is a great addition to the French WW2 Infantry as well as ww1 especially in the French Infantry support Companies, in lieu of the 25mm.
Quotenigh on impossible to game in say an 18thC frame of mind and not add in 20thC tactics and mindsets
I think Steve's point is an interesting & valid one: we necessarily approach our gaming with our own history: we are products of the 20th & 21st centuries and will approach history with that mindset. We will bring that thinking to an historical situation & apply it as a 'filter' onto what we interpret as being legitimately 'correct' to do tactically from a games perspective, not apply what we *know* from our research what contemporary doctrine would have suggested.
Hmm - interesting...this one bears further thought & scrutiny methinks 8)
Eloquently put Nik.
I enjoy opponents who can't think outside the box. The one 1943 game I have ever enjoyed was against someone who KNEW that cavalry were an archaic relic of the past which his tanks could ignore. After a Cossack charge in the rear had left him without infantry support, he went a bit green in the face....
But the suggestion that 18th century or other era's tactics are formulaic and repetetive really prompts the advice that you read a few more books with hard covers, preferably written by contemporaries who had seen Frederick or Saxe or Wolfe or Hadik in action, or by modern writers like Dufy. And less Don Featherstone too, perhaps. Formulaic fighting doesn't quite explain how someone could win a battle again five-to-one odds, does it?
Quote from: FierceKitty on 16 May 2010, 11:53:37 AM
I enjoy opponents who can't think outside the box.
I enjoy opponents who know every rule in the book as well as lots of details about the historic period we play, so they can teach me a thing or two about both. But most of all I enjoy a good time with friends.
The outcome of most sitreps is that we can't really gauge the mindset of those who were involved in an historic scenario. Or the outcomes of the moral dicisions they would have had to take. To name but one example: would a particular 1980 Soviet commander have sacrificed a certain unit in the interest of the Motherland? Nobody can tell. Nobody can recreate the reality of battle on a table. It's a game, remember.
Cheers,
Aart
QuoteBut the suggestion that 18th century or other era's tactics are formulaic and repetetive really prompts the advice that you read a few more books with hard covers
Hmm...you might be trolling here...you might be aiming this at me, or my good friend SteveJ, or none of us...but I'll respond as I feel I need to.
This wasn't what was being suggested: no-one has used the words "formulaic and repetetive" [sic] but you. Steve indicated that he preferred more fluidity & made a good observation about how we necessarily approach history with our contemporary perspective. I made, I think, a considered response to that point.
As for your suggestion about reading (& therefore implicit suggestion of a lack of education etc), I simply won't allow myself or others to be patronised by those who don't know me, my level of education & knowledge, my experience or indeed anything about me; nor will I allow myself or others to be patronised & insulted by someone who can't spell "repetitive". Perhaps you should get a dictionary - I believe they make them in both soft- and hard- cover versions.
ooooooooooH bit of a nibble , I like it!! Ha ha ha more please - me like me like ;D ;)
I missed these off the end of my post:
;) :P
And should probably apologise to all & sundry for 'biting' at FierceKitty's post. Should have ignored it & moved on.
Mea culpa. 8)
Good lad Nik - Du bist ein edelman (nobel man) hey mate we all nibble now and again ey?
All should be happy :D :D ;)
Hard back books? Do the early Ladybird editions count? 'The soldier' is a cracking read.....
Anyway, in my experience with Pendraken, good things come to those who wait. I have requested the Panzer IIIG as I game WW2 North Africa and need it for my 5th Leichte div. I know it will turn up so I aint worried. In the meantime I just carry on painting, basing and buying the other bits and pieces I need. I only wish some of the other manufacturers were half as responsive to their customer base as Pendraken are.
Keep churning them out Leon, we will keep buying them. And if we fail to do so you can rely on Nik to start a new period!
Cold War stuff, pretty plz :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Jane Austen couldn't spell, nor yet could Shakespeare. I blush to be classed with such losers.
QuoteAnd if we fail to do so you can rely on Nik to start a new period!
True enough ;) Shameless period-floozy & painting-junkie, me ;D
QuoteJane Austen couldn't spell, nor yet could Shakespeare. I blush to be classed with such losers.
Hahaha - here you go again :P If I really wanted a troll, I'd buy FT3 ;)
This is not strictly true though. Contemporaneous 'norms' of diction were not as fully developed in either of those periods as they are now; there was simply not such an established agreement of 'corrected' spelling. And trust me, your [& mine own] writing isn't even close to being in the same class. :D
I hope you can take this post in the spirit in which I write it - that I've had a long day, being here is part of my unwinding - and that everything I write here - even as a rebuttal - is meant in a friendly way...life's too short to argue with anyone, let alone those that we only meet virtually. If you can't go with this, rock up & be nice here, then I'm afraid I'll just walk on & ignore you. Simples. 8)
Quote from: nikharwood on 19 May 2010, 10:09:31 PM
Hahaha - here you go again :P If I really wanted a troll, I'd buy FT3 ;)
Or FT1 or FT2 if you wanted...! You can never have enough Trolls. :D
(or even FT4...? Hmmm....)
:D
Quote from: FierceKitty on 19 May 2010, 06:00:36 PM
Jane Austen couldn't spell, nor yet could Shakespeare. I blush to be classed with such losers.
you mean "neither" shirly?
I play with toy soldiers. :o
Don't call me Shirley!