Hi,
Can anyone point me in the direction of any North Korean, or Chinese Infantry miniatures? If not what pendraken miniatures I could use/convert? Thanks.
PS, What would people think of a 10mm Korean War range?
Strangely, I've just answered this same query on an email recently!
We don't have any specific figures for Korea, but Dave's said he could put together a special pack using the padded jacket troops from the WWII Russians, so we could do rifles, SMG, mortars, etc. for you?
We do have the Korean War quite high up on our requests lists (http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5463.0.html (http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5463.0.html)), and it's something we'd be looking to do at some point in the near future, but we've got a few other ranges which we need to finish up first.
I have an interest in the wars either side of WW2, because they seem more interesting for what they do.
For example the Spanish Civil War has all that early war charm that comes from small tanks and ad hoc militarised vehicles. Vietnam is what happens next, which is airmobile and C3. The Korean war is interesting because it shows what the Allies would have been able to field in a longer running WW2 versus Chicom hordes, a sort of high tech Eastern Front without the Nazi ideology going on.
And of course both of these wars, SCW & Korea, make for a good jump off point for Alternative WW2 scenarios.
One of my long-term projects is to do the Korean War but bath-tub the entire peninsula onto a single 6x4 table and fight the war
It is still at the "thinking" stage
I can't make up my mind whether I would then play it as a normal game using BKC/CWC with units being able to shoot from Pusan to Seoul or to use Not Quite Mechanised so that only bases in contact fight
Special packs to represent Chinese troops would be brilliant :).
Quote from: Leon on 22 June 2012, 11:26:22 PM
Strangely, I've just answered this same query on an email recently!
We don't have any specific figures for Korea, but Dave's said he could put together a special pack using the padded jacket troops from the WWII Russians, so we could do rifles, SMG, mortars, etc. for you?
We do have the Korean War quite high up on our requests lists (http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5463.0.html (http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5463.0.html)), and it's something we'd be looking to do at some point in the near future, but we've got a few other ranges which we need to finish up first.
Thanks for that :)
How would I go about ordering one of these packs and do the russians have helmets or fur hats?
A quick look at the Russians in Winter Gear showed a mix of headgear as far as I could see.
Quote from: james27 on 23 June 2012, 06:38:05 PM
How would I go about ordering one of these packs?
Just pop us an email through with a list of what you'd like, we'll price it up and let you know the total.
8)
Seems like the KW has been on the wish list for ever. It's a genuine historical period with much to recommend it (as much, if not more, than Vietnam) and there would appear to be a fair amount of support. So, how about it, Leon? :)
Seconded Hertsblue - 10mm Centurion Tanks - lovely!
Quote from: robert on 25 June 2012, 09:43:03 AM
Seconded Hertsblue - 10mm Centurion Tanks - lovely!
Hear hear! Centurions against T-34s, mouthwatering prospect!
Not exactly a challenge Cent-T34, now if you can win with a Cromwell, Chaffee or Churchill 7.
Add my vote.
IanS
PS - note no mention of weird 18th cent headgraer or feathered mezo-americans. :d
I gamed Korea in 15mm and 20mm plastic whilst working in the States. I have to say that Korea with its rugged mountains, narrow passes, steep valleys with water logged bottoms is not tank country. Tank battles were rare.
There are about six "good" tank actions.
1. 5 July 1950 Chouni T 34/85s aganist M24's .
2 10 July Chouni T34s against the only three M26's in the Korea
3 20 July great skirmish action in Taejon with 3.5 Bazook teams v T34s
4 Aug M4A3 in action in Pusan pocket against T34
5 Sept Inchon ..M26 v T34s and SU-76
6 16 Sept Pusan pocket breakout 13 T34 against 2 M4s lost
The PLA force of 200,000 was unique in modern warfare as it had no tanks.
So from November 1950 tank battles were over. I served with a Vet of KRIH and he told grim stories - not of tank battles - but of their Centurions facing waves of Chinese armed with TNT satches. On the failed attempt to relieve the Gloucesters , the Hussars came back with tracks covered in blood and human tissue. For Gloucesters there was no relief that day, but thats another story.
In post war G2 analysis only 16% of T34s were destroyed by UN tanks. A staggering 60% were destroyed by Napalm.
Hope this is useful. Korean tank games are possible - a small unit of M24s and M4s holding out against a hord of T34s - hoping the weather will clear for an airstrike will give a good game that hangs on fortunes of war -the "dice throw" to you and me gamers
Sunray out
Historically so, but we are wargaming, so not necessarily engaged in 100% accuracy at all times. If so, lets forget about VBCW or Steampunk et al.
If I want Centurions punching holes in T-34s, that's my prerogative >:(
Absolutely old boy....it is but a game we play. If you really want to punch holes in T34s nothing to stop you using any MTB you want...
as long as your opponient agrees. !! :o :o
The dichotomy being that Korea happened and VBCW is fictional. But even then we stick to the context of period, and agree the kit on the table
My main observation is that Korea was not tank country. If you want the Centurion to show just how good a bit of kit it was, try scanarios like Vietnam, India/Pakistan or Six Day war. The satisfaction of that 105 punching holes in T54s, M48s and even T62s is ...off the scale. Even Cold War where the Danes wiere willing to pitch the Cent against the mighty T72 !
My joy in gaming is being against the odds, so a rear guard action of M4s with Vet crews against hords of green T34s is a challanging game ..
Anyway happy gaming ...and do send us a battle report/images
Sunray out
My interest in the conflict is precisely that tanks were a limited rarity and the PBI were, at all times, front and centre. That, and the air-war, which would need to be factored in. :-B
It is farily static - would work as a Force on Force type game. The only British tank on tank action was Cent vs Cromwell (the Chinese had liberated it). After 1951 the result of any major Chinese attack is failure as the shells and bombs rain down.
IanS
Fair comment Ian. The scanarios I outlined give playable games and relatively small number of armour. After Inchon, it settles down to WW1 style ops, with tanks being used as static artillery. Yes, you can create a jolly 1950s war where Cents with 20pdrs kill T34s...but its not Korean as we know it Jim.
Hi Guy's
Forget the 50's try Larry Bond's RED Phoenix set in Korea in the late 80's so you get Modern US equipment against fairly up to date North Korean's with T72's
If you can get em to MAKE at T72, btw it's 62's in Red Phenoix....
IanS
Hi Guys
And I quote page's 335,418,419,and 423 with there references to T72's(Larry Bonds Red Pheonixs) also in the back of the book under the equipment list's
How do I know the above I have read the book at least 9x's(no I am not sad just like books with lots of Tanks in them)
And yes a lot of Modern Vehicles would be nice for the Koreans(south) M48's and possibly M60's and for the North T55,T62 and T72 with these and a few apc's you could do a lot of post war (you do not need the artillery unless you have a 40ft long table for the lighter guns to be on table can not understand rules that have the artillery on table after 1914? they dont have ranges of x many miles to sit within rifle range or tanks for that matter
Also the T54/55 will be of the above I want list SOON!!!!
Arty - well you could use FOW........then it's on table, anyone got a Iowa at 1/144th scale ? :d
ianS
PS - dat a request :D
I think we calculated that one at a shade over six feet long a little while ago, didn't we? Not something you could stick under one arm, methinks. :D
Yep - 6.16 ft - roughly 6'2".
Shold be cast up as the freebie for the Birthday Bash. :d =O =O =O
ianS
The Iowa would be no problems to build in that size,
So with the Iowa you could cut down cost by building half the ship broadside on or make all the 4 ships in the class you only have to make one triple 16inch and one dual 5.5inch you can cast the rest same with 20mm's and ships boats, or do you want a nice Cruiser,or destroyer
I have no problems building a ship that size I want to make a 74gun ship of the line in 1/144 but I don't think I would sell many
(http://www.kerynne.com/games/images/BritArty/100_8768.jpg)
Very nice, Fred - but not quite six feet, surely? ;)
Also sholud only be 1 for Korea, Belfast and Edinbrough only two of that sub class, Edi went down in 43.
IanS
I have seen the light
Revell do a 1/144 scale Fletcher class destroyer also a 1/146 scale HMS Victory
PFAH!
A battleship model should be big enough to sit in it and use to cruise around a lake...
(http://www.bismarck-class.dk/shipmodels/german_models/pictures/admiralgrafspeeterra/admiralgrafspeeterra01.jpg)
http://www.bismarck-class.dk/shipmodels/german_models/admiralgrafspeeterra.html
That's what I call a pocket-battleship! :D
A proper naval battle, fought twice a week in Scarborough for decades with, ships, aircraft, shore bombardment, organ music...
British on one side and an un-named emeny (but with Gernamic sounding names). I believe it was suspended during WW2
If the link doesn't work google "ships peasholm park"
Lee
Wow!
Quote from: Hertsblue on 29 June 2012, 08:12:21 AM
Very nice, Fred - but not quite six feet, surely? ;)
Not even 6cm!
I remember these battles at Scarborough when I was a lad on Holiday there. I think it was advertised as the Battle of the River Plate. Wonderful experience for a youngster!
Chad (now somewhat older) :)
Who gets the job of dredging up all the broken models when it's over? :d
Quote from: Hertsblue on 30 June 2012, 10:11:27 AM
Who gets the job of dredging up all the broken models when it's over? :d
Visitin sferners......
IanS
Quote from: Chad on 30 June 2012, 07:24:19 AM
I remember these battles at Scarborough when I was a lad on Holiday there. I think it was advertised as the Battle of the River Plate. Wonderful experience for a youngster!
We used to go to Scarborough on holiday as well, and visited this a few times.
How Wierd is this? I am following this thread and the same thing comes up on BBC 2!!!?? :o :o
Mollinary
Quote from: mollinary on 30 June 2012, 07:24:06 PM
How Wierd is this? I am following this thread and the same thing comes up on BBC 2!!!?? :o :o
Mollinary
You mean there's somthing on BBC other than
BLOODY TENNIS.
IanS :d
Why do you think I was watching BBC2 in the first place! ;D
Mollinary
But dont they normally put the "impotant" sporting events simultaneously on 1,2,3,4, CBBC, and CBEEBIES, so you cant miss them.
IanS
True, but last night they had only scheduled three hours of tennis on BBC2, allowing BBC1 viewers to watch Raiders of the Lost Ark (one of my favourite films) and, if really brain dead, casualty. Obviously at the last minute someone realised this pathetic allocation of time to the tennis was not enough, and so BBC1 was taken over for the whole evening. But that was not enough. What to do on BBC2 prime time on Saturday night? Who cares, thought the BBC scheduler, and lumbered us with some antique pop programme repeat and an episode of "coast"?? At least that's what I thought it was, between periods of catatonic torpor! :d
Mollinary
Quote from: ianrs54 on 01 July 2012, 08:19:15 AM
You mean there's somthing on BBC other than BLOODY TENNIS.
IanS :d
It's a welcome relief after weeks of boring BLOODY football!
Each to their own I guess.
Cheers,
Kev
No the football gets you suicidal, WEimbeldon and you comit it.....
Sell the bloody thing to Murdoch.
IanS
Ahh, you missed the highlight of the evening, Richard II on BBC2. ;)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00s90j1 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00s90j1)
Well Lemmey, I didn't actually. As it started over here at 10.00 o'clock I watched that, and the rather dippy Derek Jacobi piece after it! The play itself was "amazing".
Mollinary
Started watching but manflu forced me to bed :(. Looked pretty damned good though. Looking forward to Henry IV (not sure if it's part I and II) and Henry V if they are as good as this one.
Henry IV will be both parts! :D
They have been heavily edited I understand.
IanS
Quote from: ianrs54 on 03 July 2012, 07:40:38 AM
They have been heavily edited I understand.
IanS
Richard II was edited but I still thought it really quite good. A little strange at times as many of the outside scenes had minimal/no extras! Mind you it wasn't as good as Mark Rylance playing RII at the Globe Theatre in 2003.
How was it 'edited'?
Seemed to be word for word to me; certainly the bits i was tracking with the text in front of me.
Thought it was ruddy marvellous. :D
Henry V's Agincourt scenes are either going to be a massive CGI operation or,
"Where - O for pity ! - we shall much disgrace
With four or five most vile and ragged foils,
Right ill-dispos'd in brawl rediculous,
The name of Agincourt." :'(