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Wider Wargaming => Genre/Period Discussion => Firelocks to Maxims (1680 - 1900) => Topic started by: Last Hussar on 15 June 2012, 11:07:05 PM

Title: A complaint
Post by: Last Hussar on 15 June 2012, 11:07:05 PM
Sir,

I wish to complain about your War of Spanish Succession Austrians.  Frankly they are cowards.

Tonight they were charge by damn'd Frenchies, and despite delivering effective fire, then holding them in hand to hand combat they ran away, and so did the battaillions supporting them.

This is in contrast to their Prussian allies.  Despite being charged in the flank ony one uint retired, the others cooly turning to face and fight their attackers.  However please arrange for some officers who are able to issue correct orders - the reason they were charged in the flank were that after delivering withering fire at 45 paces, they interpreted the order CHARGE as "turn to the flank, and march in column across the front of the enemy"

What ever metal you use for the Prussians please use them for the Austrians.
Title: Re: A complaint
Post by: republic of tolworth on 16 June 2012, 12:35:27 AM
I think it varies from batch to batch. Recent 'what if' battle against Johnny Turk had my brave Austrians fighting a blinder, whilst the skulking cowardly Prussians were to be honest a liability on the field!

They went further back than forwards! If it wasn't for the French mercs the whole flank would have crumbled.

Dodgy batch of cowardly metal mix snuck in I feel  :-[

So visa versa on the metal mix you use for Last Hussars troops please.
Title: Re: A complaint
Post by: Leon on 16 June 2012, 03:23:05 AM
 :D
Title: Re: A complaint
Post by: republic of tolworth on 16 June 2012, 07:39:00 AM
Maybe it would be cheaper if your could just recast the spines, then we could refit without too much damage to paintwork.

What do you think LH, best option?
Title: Re: A complaint
Post by: Hertsblue on 16 June 2012, 07:57:25 AM
Haven't you noticed that it's always your best-painted, best based figures that run like rabbits?  :'(
Title: Re: A complaint
Post by: nikharwood on 16 June 2012, 08:19:39 AM
Quote from: Hertsblue on 16 June 2012, 07:57:25 AM
Haven't you noticed that it's always your best-painted, best based figures that run like rabbits?  :'(

:D ;D :D
Title: Re: A complaint
Post by: Last Hussar on 16 June 2012, 08:45:38 AM
I'm going to have to check the figures, I don't recall painting a yellow stripe down their back.
Title: Re: A complaint
Post by: Fenton on 16 June 2012, 09:25:11 AM
Is it the make of paint your using...I can see GW paint being a cowardly type of paint..and Vajello being somewhat braver and craft paint the sort of paint that creates wishy washy militia types. Maybe humbol old and steadfast would produce braver troops
Title: Re: A complaint
Post by: Sandinista on 16 June 2012, 09:28:42 AM
Quote from: republic of tolworth on 16 June 2012, 12:35:27 AM
Recent 'what if' battle against Johnny Turk had my brave Austrians fighting a blinder
But they still lost the battle  :d :d :d
Title: Re: A complaint
Post by: sunjester on 18 June 2012, 09:35:59 PM
Quote from: Last Hussar on 15 June 2012, 11:07:05 PM
Sir,

I wish to complain about your War of Spanish Succession Austrians.  Frankly they are cowards.

Tonight they were charge by damn'd Frenchies, and despite delivering effective fire, then holding them in hand to hand combat they ran away, and so did the battaillions supporting them.

This is in contrast to their Prussian allies.  Despite being charged in the flank ony one uint retired, the others cooly turning to face and fight their attackers.  However please arrange for some officers who are able to issue correct orders - the reason they were charged in the flank were that after delivering withering fire at 45 paces, they interpreted the order CHARGE as "turn to the flank, and march in column across the front of the enemy"

What ever metal you use for the Prussians please use them for the Austrians.

Possibly it's just down to the superior generalship of your opponent?  ;) :d
Title: Re: A complaint
Post by: Last Hussar on 18 June 2012, 11:01:32 PM
Lucky dice and bullet proof paint more likely
Title: Re: A complaint
Post by: Hertsblue on 19 June 2012, 07:33:44 AM
Bullet-proof paint? So that's how it's done.  :o
Title: Re: A complaint
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 19 June 2012, 08:53:14 AM
Order of rout in any Wargames army:
1) New unit that has never been on table before (usually after the first shot and taking little or no casulties)
2) Best painted unit on table and/or army elite (as above).
3) The C-In-C
4) The 2-I-C.
5) That 'surprise' unit of cavalry, hideously expensive elite and designed to win the game (Ironsides, winged Hussars, Catafractorii etc as they are about to charge for the first time, usually accompanied by a slow handclap by the owning player's forces as they leg it past them)
6) The unit that, if it roll anything but a '1' will win you the game...
7) The majority of your army.

Leaving the rabble, who you didn't want to get involved, to take the damage, break HIS elite, follow up into HIS C-In-C and thence to win you the game...


Which is why I'm concentrating on rabble units from now on!!!!  ;)
Title: Re: A complaint
Post by: sunjester on 19 June 2012, 05:08:16 PM
Quote from: mad lemmey on 19 June 2012, 08:53:14 AM
Leaving the rabble, who you didn't want to get involved, to take the damage, break HIS elite, follow up into HIS C-In-C and thence to win you the game...

Personally, I recommend bare-arsed Irish kerns, especially for taking on men-at-arms in full plate backed up by elite longbowmen.

Failing that, a small boy with a stick seems to do the trick!
Title: Re: A complaint
Post by: Last Hussar on 19 June 2012, 05:20:51 PM
Quote from: Hertsblue on 19 June 2012, 07:33:44 AM
Bullet-proof paint? So that's how it's done.  :o
I don't know, but Sunjester manages it.
Title: Re: A complaint
Post by: mollinary on 19 June 2012, 06:18:40 PM
This is an odd phenomenon, but so widely attested it must be true. I have but two examples to illustrate its veracity.  Many, many years ago I went to the WHC in Scarborough to fight  Borodino.  Among my beautiful troops were the Wurttemburg Guard Grenadiers, if not the bravest of the brave, the prettiest of the pretty. They marched forward, we're shot at, and retired shaken. They refused to rally until they reached the edge of the table, then turned around and marched (inched would be a better description) towards the Russians. By the time they were in range again, the battle was won. No losses, never fired or engaged in combat, but a great battle honour! 

The second example concerns the apple of my eye, the 12th Royal Saxon Corps, Pendrakeners to a man, at Sedan 1870. One division painted by me, one by Fernando to their showcase standard. Their  flags fluttered bravely, Baccus produced to the mass of detailed info I had gathered at considerable cost in time and effort.  Twenty nine battalions of perfect pulchritude, passed on to a friend to command (I was umpiring).  My attention moved away to fulfil my duties, I returned half an hour later to witness their inevitable triumph, only to see only three intact battalions, and the corps not a millimetre further forward.  Hubris had once again reaped its inevitable, Greek tragedy generated, reward.  Oh the senseless sacrifice, the pointless pain!

Mollinary
Title: Re: A complaint
Post by: Techno on 19 June 2012, 06:38:58 PM
Sounds like a problem with the dice to me. ;)
Anyone want some 'specials' done ? ;D ;D ;D
Cheers - Phil.
Title: Re: A complaint
Post by: mollinary on 19 June 2012, 07:04:49 PM
Techno,

What about a Kronprinz Albert character figure to rival Clib's Washington to give my poor Saxons a bit of inspiration?

Mollinary
Title: Re: A complaint
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 19 June 2012, 07:09:46 PM
I've just finished painting my Saxon HQ, but always room for one more, count me in!  8)
Title: Re: A complaint
Post by: Techno on 19 June 2012, 08:46:22 PM
Erm....By specials...
I was jokingly meaning some weighted dice....But you never know... ;)
Wos' this geezer look like then ?
Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: A complaint
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 19 June 2012, 09:17:47 PM
The only shot I keep getting of him is an old man as King of Saxony.  :'(
Help guys...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_of_Saxony (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_of_Saxony)
Title: Re: A complaint
Post by: OldenBUA on 20 June 2012, 06:48:36 AM
Quote from: mad lemmey on 19 June 2012, 09:17:47 PM
The only shot I keep getting of him is an old man as King of Saxony.  :'(
Help guys...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_of_Saxony (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_of_Saxony)

There are/were several equestrian statues, might just be what is needed?

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/Albert_von_Sachsen-Dresden-Max_Baumbach.jpg)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/Koenig_Albert_Denkmal.jpg)

Hey, even I could use one. Just put it on a plinth and use it as scenery!  :D
Title: Re: A complaint
Post by: Hertsblue on 20 June 2012, 07:20:37 AM
Quote from: OldenBUA on 20 June 2012, 06:48:36 AM

Hey, even I could use one. Just put it on a plinth and use it as scenery!  :D

Yeah, 15mm figures make good 10mm statues. Just paint them gunmetal. m/
Title: Re: A complaint
Post by: mollinary on 20 June 2012, 07:23:09 PM
How about this pic? I'd prefer a bareheaded or peak capped model, so it can be used for 1866 and 1870.

dl.tufts.edu/view_image.jsp?pid=tufts:MS011.001.001.00124.00001 discovered by googling Kronprinz Albert.
Mollinary
Title: Re: A complaint
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 20 June 2012, 07:56:49 PM
Looks like the one.
There is a general in the 1866 range already sporting a fine set of whiskers like that, but not detailed enough (he's in a flat cap)
ML
Title: Re: A complaint
Post by: OldenBUA on 20 June 2012, 08:27:11 PM
Something like this then?

(http://www.carl-zinnfiguren.de/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Thieme-Figur-munkelt.jpg)

König Albert von Sachsen 1870/71 | Bemalung durch Detmar Munkelt, Markleeberg
Title: Re: A complaint
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 20 June 2012, 08:30:18 PM
Actually, mine looks like this:
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/madlemmey/1866%20Saxons/018.jpg)
you can just see the beard!  ;)
Title: Re: A complaint
Post by: Ben Waterhouse on 21 June 2012, 08:47:42 AM
Very nice Lemmey.