Just looking at the new figures from Hawk Wargames www.hawkwargames.com very nice models and nice sculpts...
Leon you are not allowed to look in case it gives you ideas of suddenly deciding you need a new mansion or Porsche or a small island in the pacific
The price of those infantry is just ridiculous.
Very nice but somewhat pricey :-\
Quote from: Derek H on 09 June 2012, 02:10:14 PM
The price of those infantry is just ridiculous.
I know 12 quid for 30 is taking the proverbial
Whilst I wont be buyng any there is no doubting that they are beautiful miniatures. The website oozes quality and for sci-fi figures (other than the Tau looking faction) they do give a proper sci-fi feel.
They are pricey, but to be fair, having seen them in the flesh at Salute, they are amazing.
Well, they're certainly very nice.
However, £11 for 1 10mm vehicle (Kodiak armoured command vehicle) :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
That is seriously extracting the urine.
Also, actually, although they're obviously well done, and a very interesting new area for resin (10mm), i'm not overly impressed, especially with the infantry.
I guess these exceed my 'limit' http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4483.0.html (http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4483.0.html) !!!
As much as we need a load of 10mm Sci-Fi stuff (thats a hint Leon), at those prices I'll continue buying clicky stuff on E-Bay and rebasing it. Sorry Hawk, no sale.
Yep - same from me; not a fan of resin for anything other than scenery really anyway - and those prices are ridiculous. Good to see another manufacturer - but my bet's on this one revising their business model fairly rapidly (once the initial 'buzz' goes) or disappearing - mostly because 10mm is a niche scale I think...
If anyone does pick it up I'd be interested to hear how the game plays though...
The scenery looks great - but I suspect the prices will be daft.
Quote from: nikharwood on 10 June 2012, 10:38:49 AM
Mostly because 10mm is a niche scale I think...
Which is a real shame i think, given how perfectly it fits large scale gaming.
I think WM and 'Commander' have gone quite a way to bringing 10mm into the mainstream though.
Now if we could just get the big tournament sets like Osprey/Field of Glory, or DBx (being revitalised with DBA v3 in draft release at the moment, after the disastrous DBMM), then perhaps the 10mm tipping point could be reached whereby 10mm superceded 15mm as the 'massed battle' scale?
We're considering doing DBA v3 in 10mm.
There's two sides to this one. The way they have presented their company, the website, the pictures, the preview at Salute, is all first class, very professional, and builds anticipation. If the product and the service can match that, then they'll win a lot of customers over.
The downside comes with the pricing, and the potential risk of choosing 10mm. As much as 10mm is growing every year, we're still a way behind 15's and 28's in market share terms, so to start a new company in 10mm is quite a risk, when for a small amount of extra investment, they could have done it in 15mm instead. That being said though, it looks like they've ploughed a lot of time and money into this, so they must have done a good bit of market research (at least you'd hope they have!), and they've obviously concluded that either 10mm is the future of gaming (which we knew already!), or that there is a sufficiently large gap in 10mm Sci-Fi, and that they'd have next to no competition. The pricing though is going to be a huge obstacle, as people can get more for their money in 15's with someone like Critical Mass.
Another factor will be the postage charges, which look to be designed to promote bigger orders. Folks wanting to grab one or two of the vehicles won't stump up for the fixed postage as well, so they'll lose sales there.
So long-term, they'll either arrive with a bang, then see the sales taper off and have to rethink (as Nik says), or the product will be sufficiently tempting to bring people into 10mm Sci-Fi, and they'll do very well. Personally, I hope they do well, as more people in this scale as a good thing, and our own Sci-Fi revamp will see boosted sales as a result, I'd assume.
There's a discussion on TMP about it at the moment: http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=270606 (I'm not sure how to take Manflesh's comment, is that meant in a positive or negative way?! :-\ )
Quote from: Leon on 11 June 2012, 01:20:06 AM
There's a discussion on TMP about it at the moment: http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=270606 (I'm not sure how to take Manflesh's comment, is that meant in a positive or negative way?! :-\ )
I took it as slightly negative (as in good value but scuplting is not brilliant), but suspect he's refering to your old sci-fi ranges, which are a bit dated now.
Probably he isn't aware of the new stuff in the pipeline.
Graham
Reakly like the sculpts, not sure about the costs!
I saw Drop... Comm... miniatures at Salute and try comparation, throw the glass, with Pendraken infantry. Their foot miniatures are smaller and thinner than Pendraken. I think could be really difficult match the two companies ranges. The Drop.. Com.. vehicles and walkers are very pretty and can be usefull addition. The prices are crazily high but I don't joke with myself.... the price never stop anyone in our hobby. A lots of people grabs a lots of GW stuffs every day.
I've not seen these in the flesh so to speak, but whilst pics of painted mini are certainly impressive I have my reservations.
Infantry - I'm not overly keen, as proportions seem off to me, I'd rather stick to Pendraken.
Vehicles - these look amazing with their pro paint jobs, but I know I could never match them and many are just too 'fussy'.
Price? I think they are trying to out do GW! To rich for me, but there are plenty out there willing to pay that much .... But there enough of those people?
Just my thoughts.
Cheers,
Kev
Waaayyyyyy tooo pricey.
Quote from: GordonY on 09 June 2012, 05:10:07 PM
As much as we need a load of 10mm Sci-Fi stuff (thats a hint Leon), at those prices I'll continue buying clicky stuff on E-Bay and rebasing it. Sorry Hawk, no sale.
Those Sirens look nice, too. Female troopers in 10mm are pretty rare, so it's nice to see those. (Consider that another hint, Leon.)
Seen them and not impressed by the quality. Vaule for money? Not for me...or maybe I am just to spoilt by Leon and Dave here...
My reasoning is: If I pay that much for a "clump of resin" I expect the parts to be cleaned, fitting and well thought...
Putting a tank up by left and right hallf is not my thing.
The design is cool, true enough the quality definately not what I am expecting at that price. At half that we could discuss it but...nah
As others have said the kit is nice, but I certainly won't be getting any - not at those prices...!!
IF the tanks were not 2 half sides and the casting quaility making the parts fit - why not? The design ain`t the problem but the attitude "I will not sell my marvelous miniatures at a loss".
My reply would be "your loss if you don`t want my money."
I guess before long we will see different prices ..reminds me of Rackham and AT43..stuff sold like mad at 30 % Retail.... just saying.
Im surprised to say you think they arent good quality? What pics have you seen to suggest this. I was able to see them at Salute, and they looked really well sculpted and cast to me. Any online pics or links that I am missing?
Also this looks interesting- very different material to Finecast then!
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=440215979331015
Seen the pics on gw-fanworld. The tanks clearly have a fitting problem.
But lets assume there are no issues in the actual production models they are still overpriced.
This pic?
(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0159/4298/products/Bear-10.jpg?3834)
It looks Ok to me. Or am I missing something?
Not defending their pricing as it looks high, but having seen the models in the flesh I was very impressed.
EDIT: Pic embedded.
I assume they have done their research and believe there is a market for the range. Good luck to them, brings more people into the 10mm world.
I've just been looking again, and it certainly registers high on the 'Shiny' factor. :D
Just to pop my two p worth in here chaps...
From the look of what I've seen.... the straight line work has been done using a relatively expensive method, meaning that the firm concerned is going to have had to pay out a really hefty old whack in just designer costs before even putting these 'bits' into production.
(Looks like they were made by one of two people I know of, that do this sort of work.)
Soooooo......The firm itself has to recoup this cost, by either selling at a high price....Or hoping that they'll sell absolute 'wodges'....in which case they could risk a lower price.....Either way it would be possible to come 'unstuck'.
Too pricey.....And people won't buy....Too inexpensive and they could still find they don't get back just the initial design costs....and basically lose money on each item.
It really comes down to a careful balancing act, as it is with virtually any business.
You pay your money and you takes your choice, to a certain extent.
Without hoping to sound like "What I've done in the past".....Again....(Sorry).....I made a lot of the clicky based 'mechs' for Wizkids many years ago.....I got paid LOTS for doing those....BUT.... because they sold in their tens of thousands (?) they could be sold for what seemed to be to me, a very low price.
They were shipped back and forth to America.....To China...Produced.....Painted....Shipped back and forth again....Boxed up...and finally sold.....Along with 'tanks' and little stands of figures....For around £8 ? (Hah !....I've still got the complete sets of the first two 'editions/releases'....I should put those up on e-bay !) ;D ;D ;D
If a small firm/medium was faced with the set up costs like that....They'd go under in next to no time..(Unless they had a friendly bank or backer, who didn't mind waiting for years to get some sort of return...and ARE there any friendly banks nowadays ?)....OR have to charge a bit of a premium.
Like I say....It's a very difficult 'balancing act'.
What's right...and what's wrong ? :-\ :-\ :-\
But as Sandanista says....If it brings more people into the 10mm world...Great !!
Cheers - Phil.
Quote from: Serotonin on 13 June 2012, 05:00:27 PM
This pic?
(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0159/4298/products/Bear-10.jpg?3834)
It looks Ok to me. Or am I missing something?
Not defending their pricing as it looks high, but having seen the models in the flesh I was very impressed.
EDIT: Pic embedded.
Nope but you can still see the "half" in that pic. This also means the two halves don`t fit 100 % - not good.
@Leon: The owner designed it all by himself but you are right. Where is a "fair" price?
For me the value is not good enough to justify the price. Others may see it different.
I will stick to other games and mini makers. One faction has a bit of an "Aliens" look and I would have bought a Dropship or three..maybe when the price has gone down.
New people in 10mm: It will happen Leon. As I said before: 28mm in the current financial situation is only good for skirmish. Massed armies will go to 6 and 10mms.
Love these sculpts, loathe high prices. :-q
As Mr cowell says, "Its a no from me"......
Maybe the accompanying Dropzone Commander rules will be the deciding factor?
People will buy the miniatures if they like the backstory/fluff, a bit like the GW business model?
I like the look of some of the models, but the cost to buy into the game seems quite high to me. OTOH though, compared to wasting money on sex, drugs and rock'n roll, probably pretty fair, all things considered.
I think that launching a new system and range in these troubled economic times is a very brave thing to do. I wish them luck though, having been there and done that back in the 1990s with OHMU War Machine.
Quote from: Paint it Pink on 22 June 2012, 08:44:44 AM
wasting money on sex, drugs and rock'n roll,
surely you mean 'investing' not wasting ....
;)
Yeah - money well-spent if you ask me 8-} <:-P <)