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Title: SYW Palatinate uniforms/flags.
Post by: ossy on 29 April 2010, 08:33:07 AM
I would like to paint  up some figures ,but cannot find any uniform details (nothing on the excellent "Project SYW"site) .Does anyone have the "Armies and uniforms of the SYW" vol 2 by James Woods?  Thanks.
Title: Re: SYW Palatinate uniforms/flags.
Post by: Zbigniew on 29 April 2010, 10:37:51 AM
Hello, I have made two units for Hastenbeck. Made them of Prusian figures and painted them as they are on Junior General Paper Soldiers site. Just type "junior general" in google and chose first or second result. I dont know what the author source was but I think they are pictured correct.
You also have one unit here:
www.grosser-generalstab.de/sturm/sturm132.html
the middle picture in upper row

and the flags here:
www.warflag.com/flags/syw/sywreichs6.shtml
these were tough to paint  :) I didnt even try to paint the Virgin Marry

I hope It helps,
Title: Re: SYW Palatinate uniforms/flags.
Post by: ossy on 07 May 2010, 08:54:20 AM
Hello Zbigniew, thanks for replying, a couple of usefull sites, didn't think people did paper soldiers. Ossy.
Title: Re: SYW Palatinate uniforms/flags.
Post by: maciek on 14 May 2010, 07:56:57 AM
Zbigniew, you can print the flag, not paint it.
Title: Re: SYW Palatinate uniforms/flags.
Post by: YORSTONS on 14 May 2010, 03:32:12 PM
Hi Ossy, try looking under leuthenjournal.com or befreiungskriege.wordpress.com/ . The Leuthen Journal has lots of diffrent uniform sections and links and the other one has a whole set of Knotel uniform plates, you may find what you are looking for in these.
Title: Re: SYW Palatinate uniforms/flags.
Post by: Zbigniew on 14 May 2010, 03:44:17 PM
Quote from: maciek on 14 May 2010, 07:56:57 AM
Zbigniew, you can print the flag, not paint it.

Maciek, I know, I just went stubborn to paint it myself :)


Maciek, skąd jesteś? Grasz coś, malujesz?

please pardon me this Polish chatter
Title: Re: SYW Palatinate uniforms/flags.
Post by: maciek on 15 May 2010, 09:39:10 AM
Zbigniew, wyslalem ci PM.
Sorry guys, future posts only in English.
Title: Re: SYW Palatinate uniforms/flags.
Post by: Leon on 15 May 2010, 05:59:09 PM
Quote from: maciek on 15 May 2010, 09:39:10 AM
Sorry guys, future posts only in English.

Haha, you go right ahead, we can always use the Google Translator!

:D
Title: Re: SYW Palatinate uniforms/flags.
Post by: nikharwood on 15 May 2010, 06:00:43 PM
Quotewe can always use the Google Translator!

I'm tempted to use that for Mat's "Programmers" post (here: http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=186.0)
Title: Re: SYW Palatinate uniforms/flags.
Post by: Leon on 15 May 2010, 06:02:57 PM
Quote from: nikharwood on 15 May 2010, 06:00:43 PM
I'm tempted to use that for Mat's "Programmers" post (here: http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=186.0)

:D

"There are only 10 types of people in the world, those that understand binary, and those that don't."
Title: Re: SYW Palatinate uniforms/flags.
Post by: nikharwood on 15 May 2010, 08:16:24 PM
 :D Very good - even I get that one  ;)
Title: Re: SYW Palatinate uniforms/flags.
Post by: Leman on 19 March 2011, 11:30:08 PM
Hi Ossy,
Don't know if this will answer your particular enquiry but there's lots of useful and interesting SYW stuff on this site http://nba-sywtemplates.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: SYW Palatinate uniforms/flags.
Post by: Chad on 20 March 2011, 10:40:35 AM
Ossy

Not sure if you have managed to find what you want, but if not I have the Pengel & Hurt booklet covering the Palatinate and would be happy to help.

Chad
Title: Re: SYW Palatinate uniforms/flags.
Post by: mollinary on 29 January 2017, 12:23:40 PM
Quote from: ossy on 29 April 2010, 08:33:07 AM
I would like to paint  up some figures ,but cannot find any uniform details (nothing on the excellent "Project SYW"site) .Does anyone have the "Armies and uniforms of the SYW" vol 2 by James Woods?  Thanks.

Hmm.  When I go to Kronoskaf's Seven Years War project I find a complete section on the Palatinate, complete with uniform details.

Mollinary
Title: Re: SYW Palatinate uniforms/flags.
Post by: OldenBUA on 29 January 2017, 12:57:58 PM
Then again, the original post is from 2010, so some bits may have changed since then.

Does anyone ever read the small print in forum posts??
Title: Re: SYW Palatinate uniforms/flags.
Post by: Ithoriel on 29 January 2017, 01:01:06 PM
There are only 2 types of people in the world, those who can work from incomplete data

Title: Re: SYW Palatinate uniforms/flags.
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 29 January 2017, 01:14:45 PM
No, we can't be bothered! 😂
Title: Re: SYW Palatinate uniforms/flags.
Post by: Leman on 29 January 2017, 01:31:21 PM
Is Ossy still with us? After all we've just had 2016.
Title: Re: SYW Palatinate uniforms/flags.
Post by: mollinary on 29 January 2017, 02:01:37 PM
Yes,

He has just posted re the FPW. He has made so few posts overall, I didn't originally notice how old the post was!

Mollinary
Title: Re: SYW Palatinate uniforms/flags.
Post by: OldenBUA on 29 January 2017, 05:42:06 PM
Quote from: mollinary on 29 January 2017, 02:01:37 PM
I didn't originally notice how old the post was!

Happens all the time, so you're in good company there.  :P

And yes, the small print in a post includes the date/time stamp!
Title: Re: SYW Palatinate uniforms/flags.
Post by: Dragoon on 22 February 2017, 01:53:25 AM
After reading Peter Young's book Battle! , again I know Electors were in the Palatinate But were there any Principalities, or Dukedoms? It seems that apart from Prussia, France and part of the Benelux countries all the other states seemed to be part of and controlled by Austria in the guise of The Holy Roman Empire. So, does anyone know if there were any disagreements between the European states around the SYW or was it always between Great Britain, France, Prussia and Austria?
Title: Re: SYW Palatinate uniforms/flags.
Post by: Dragoon on 22 February 2017, 02:03:07 AM
To OldenBUA
can we consider the time 'post war' encompasses a closed subject because some of us can still remember what a Merlin engine sounds like and it doesn't seem that long ago. much worse now I can't find Woolworths.
Title: Re: SYW Palatinate uniforms/flags.
Post by: FierceKitty on 22 February 2017, 07:02:10 AM
There are two types of people in the world: those who can concentr
Title: Re: SYW Palatinate uniforms/flags.
Post by: cameronian on 22 February 2017, 07:56:53 AM
Quote from: Dragoon on 22 February 2017, 01:53:25 AM
After reading Peter Young's book Battle! , again I know Electors were in the Palatinate But were there any Principalities, or Dukedoms? It seems that apart from Prussia, France and part of the Benelux countries all the other states seemed to be part of and controlled by Austria in the guise of The Holy Roman Empire. So, does anyone know if there were any disagreements between the European states around the SYW or was it always between Great Britain, France, Prussia and Austria?

Don't forget Russia.
Title: Re: SYW Palatinate uniforms/flags.
Post by: Hwiccee on 22 February 2017, 11:56:08 AM
Quote from: Dragoon on 22 February 2017, 01:53:25 AM
After reading Peter Young's book Battle! , again I know Electors were in the Palatinate But were there any Principalities, or Dukedoms? It seems that apart from Prussia, France and part of the Benelux countries all the other states seemed to be part of and controlled by Austria in the guise of The Holy Roman Empire. So, does anyone know if there were any disagreements between the European states around the SYW or was it always between Great Britain, France, Prussia and Austria?

I assume we are talking about the Holy Roman Empire (HRE) here?

At the time of the SYW there were 9 Electors of which 5 were of 'independent' states - Bavaria, Hanover, the Palatine, Prussia and Saxony. There were 100's of other HRE minor states who were ruled by others with various titles such as Prince, Duke and lots of others.

The minor states were effectively under the control of one of the Great Powers (typically Great Britain, France, Prussia or Austria) or sometimes one of the 'independent' states.

The 'independent' states were the only HRE states that were capable of anything like independent action but this depended on the circumstances and was also changing. So Prussia had basically made the move from being an 'independent' state to being a Great Power by this time, although it remained part of the HRE. Hanover was firmly in the British camp, or maybe that should be the other way round as the Hanoverian elector was also King of Britain - so they were something like part of the same country. The Palatine was slipping out of the 'independent' states rank and was more like a minor state at this time.

Effectively this left Bavaria and Saxony as the only states capable of some kind of independent action. So the Bavarian elector got himself elected as Emperor in the WAS (1740-48) and invaded Austrian territory (what is now the Czech Republic) in 1741. Similarly the Saxons also invaded in 1741. Later in the war both Bavaria and Saxony changed sides. Despite this the reality was that the Bavarians/Saxons had some ability to swap which bigger power they were dominated by. The Bavarians had swapped Austrian domination for French in the early WAS and the Saxons did the same but for Prussian.

So I think real independent action by any HRE state other than the parts that were under direct Austrian control, Prussia or Hanover/Britain was very limited.

There were of course disagreements between the HRE states but a big part of the function of the HRE was to tackle these. So if a member state took aggressive action it could be attacked by the HRE - they did this in the SYW when Prussia, a member of the HRE, attacked Saxony. Most smaller states wouldn't risk this and would be blocked in doing it by whoever dominated them. Smaller problems were tackled by diplomacy and the mechanisms of the HRE.

So in short yes it was just about Great Britain, France, Prussia and Austria, plus Russia who have already been mentioned. Other states like Spain, Savoy, Sweden, etc outside the HRE also had varying amounts of 'independence'. Like the 'independent' HRE states this tended to be the ability to have some kind of choice about who was boss.
Title: Re: SYW Palatinate uniforms/flags.
Post by: paulr on 22 February 2017, 06:49:11 PM
Thanks Hwiccee, I've learnt something  :)
Title: Re: SYW Palatinate uniforms/flags.
Post by: Dragoon on 23 February 2017, 01:41:21 AM
Thanks Hwiccee
I've Learned a lot
I got the book title wrong it was Charge! by Peter Young

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuburg_an_der_Donau#/media/File%3ANeuburg_an_der_Donau_in_ND.svg

Quite a few states on this map. I'm trying to set up a fictional campaign possibly along the lines of Diplomacy where the great powers manipulate the holders of a state to support one ore the other of their near neighbours
Quite a few of the minor royals died off without a heir prompting strong arm diplomacy.
Having played the board game I realise it's balance is in the map. Itt's tempting to use the real board game but this limits the game to 7 players or groups. the game can be played by email, theres a computer game that could be umpire
has anyone tried to play a game where the general only see's 3 photographs for each move. to his left, to his centre looking ahead and to his right. Photo's taken from figure height.
Perhaps I should smoke some of Maurice de Saxe own tobacco supply to clarify thinking.
Mike L
Title: Re: SYW Palatinate uniforms/flags.
Post by: paulr on 23 February 2017, 02:31:02 AM
I haven't tried the photograph approach but I have run a game where the Admirals were seated some distance from the table and had to communicate via signal flags :d

The chaos was great fun ;D
Title: Re: SYW Palatinate uniforms/flags.
Post by: cameronian on 23 February 2017, 08:01:11 AM
Quote from: Dragoon on 23 February 2017, 01:41:21 AM
Thanks Hwiccee
I've Learned a lot
I got the book title wrong it was Charge! by Peter Young

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuburg_an_der_Donau#/media/File%3ANeuburg_an_der_Donau_in_ND.svg

Quite a few states on this map. I'm trying to set up a fictional campaign possibly along the lines of Diplomacy where the great powers manipulate the holders of a state to support one ore the other of their near neighbours
Quite a few of the minor royals died off without a heir prompting strong arm diplomacy.
Having played the board game I realise it's balance is in the map. Itt's tempting to use the real board game but this limits the game to 7 players or groups. the game can be played by email, theres a computer game that could be umpire
has anyone tried to play a game where the general only see's 3 photographs for each move. to his left, to his centre looking ahead and to his right. Photo's taken from figure height.
Perhaps I should smoke some of Maurice de Saxe own tobacco supply to clarify thinking.
Mike L


Cheap, wireless digital camera placed on battlefield and rotated from a fixed point.
Title: Re: SYW Palatinate uniforms/flags.
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 23 February 2017, 08:54:38 AM
Google Earth?