Hi
I'm debating/arguing with myself :-\ as to whether to invest in these rules. My figures are based for the Age of Honor (AOH) ruleset (which is a variant of Age of Eagles/Fire and Fury) which means that the infantry have different size bases than the cavalry i.e. 3/4" frontage for infantry and 1" frontage for cavalry . I do like these rules (AOH etc) but Maurice looks fun and as people have said give a good period flavour. Question is, do base sizes (frontages in particular) need to be the same for infantry and cavalry to play Maurice?
Grateful for any thoughts.
Cheers Paul
PS I have down loaded the Maurice Lite rules and it is not that clear - it says for instance that Artillery should be based the same width as infantry or cavalry, implying that infantry and cavalry base may be different sizes.
I'm not certain, but I don't think it's vital. You need to decide what a standard Basw Width is as it is the main measure of movement in the rules.
Infantry will normally be in line or column. Whereas I think cavalry are more likely to be in a square block. This probably minimises the impact of the differently sized bases.
The rules (just arrived! :D) suggest the same frontage for infantry cavalry and artillery; 40mm for 15mm or smaller scales..
To quote Sam: "If you have a basing system that you like, and which is close enough to these guidelines - and most importantly, a system that both you and your opponents both use - then that will work fine".
We have slightly different bases widths for all arms and use the cavalry base of 40mm as our BW.
Chad
Mine arrived too, for some reason I thought they were hardbacked! Oh well. Still looks great and the playing cards are really nicely done, in a high quality box (wish my TFL IABSM cards had come in a nice box)
Mine have arrived this morning too. The book and cards look really nice, well worth buying compared to the free downloadable versions.
Mine haven't made it yet :(
I thought they were hardback too...they'd better be bloody good - and noticeably better than the freebie version - for £30 then :-\
Especially as we, in the Uk, don't seem to be getting the PDF as part of this (identical) deal unlike our colonial cousins...
Yeah I was a bit put out by the PDF thing because being someone with pretty much no patience or ability to delay gratification, I thought I was going to be getting the PDF t stick on my iPad. Well annoyed when I realised I wasn't getting it. My fault for not reading the page correctly but still miffed.
Mine's just tipped up and I too was suprised to find its not hardback...
My Lasalle hardback book started falling apart in places after a dozen read throughs, i was just wondering if Sam rectified this with Maurice?
Nik
At first glance I would say they are noticeably better than the 'Lite' version. Whether or not you will consider them worth £30 I can't say.
For the £30 we get 106 pages plus a a separate box with the complete set of cards (108). The basic rules are expanded and there are advanced rules.
Scenarios and what appears to be a mini campaign system are included.
Chad
Greetings
Sniff. Mine haven't made it yet. Maybe Tuesday then (just as I go on a business trip :( ).
I had noticed the absence of the pdf offer when I ordered but decided to bite the bullet.
I always like reading Sam's stuff and as I have some painted SYW 10mm with identical frontages per stand (25mm) it seemed silly not to use them. Of course I'll have to add to the 10mm. Probably a job for the Jubilee week - must remember to send off an order to Leon & Dave for some more French and Allies.
Regards
Edward
Greetings
Quote from: kustenjaeger on 05 May 2012, 05:48:02 PM
Greetings
Sniff. Mine haven't made it yet. Maybe Tuesday then (just as I go on a business trip :( ).
I had noticed the absence of the pdf offer when I ordered but decided to bite the bullet.
I always like reading Sam's stuff and as I have some painted SYW 10mm with identical frontages per stand (25mm) it seemed silly not to use them. Of course I'll have to add to the 10mm. Probably a job for the Jubilee week - must remember to send off an order to Leon & Dave for some more French and Allies.
Regards
Edward
And they've arrived. Look good from the brief look I've been able to give them.
Regards
Edward
Mine have landed today too - first impressions are great; the cards are certainly top-notch and well worth getting I think.
The rulebook itself is beautifully produced and well laid-out; great diagrammatic examples of play and nice artwork and obligatory eye-candy. The paper is decent quality - I would have preferred this in hardback - but it's tough enough to withstand 'normal' handling.
Right - time to give them a 'proper' read :)
I had a fun try out game on Monday with Keith Flint and first impressions are very good. A further game is scheduled soon with Chris (Serotonin) and Keith, and now that Chris has the book and cards, we can form a much better impression of the overall game and offering.
My first game will be Wed 23 May and I am looking forward to this. Having a real internal debate about the whole basing issue as a friend in the club has two Pendraken SYW armiy packs (Austrian and Prussian) for sale in bare metal, and I already have NikH's former Jacobites, undercoated, based (50 x 25) and ready to colour in ... they may jump onto 30mm sq bases, but don't tell Nik.
I am toying with the idea of Cumberland's British and Charlie's Scottish in an Alliance versus Austrians and Prussians .... :-\
Rules turned up today and first impressions are very positive. Family duties have prevented a proper perusal, but another game shceduled for tomorrow with a couple of friends.
I did like the look of this, just the name puts me off! :-\
Im glad you posted that, because I had totally forgotten! Mind you I went to work today having forgotten to put my contact lenses in! :D
See you tomorrow!
:o =) ;)
Just doing a quick search for an overview of the game up popped:
QuoteFrom Wikipaedia: Maurice is a novel by E. M. Forster. A tale of homosexual love in early 20th century England,
:o
Thats put me off more now, and Im sure will do no end of dubiousness about wargamers! Most people already think we're strange! :-\ ;)
Lets just say that the title could have been more inspired cos I was interested in playing the game originally. I think it may put others off as well :(
Maybe there may be a game played this weekend so I can get some good feedback, maybe I'll change my mind!
It's named after Maurice de Saxe, one of the foremost commanders of the period, so don't be put off by the name.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_de_Saxe
Ive had this argument before with people on PMT who said they would never play I Aint Been Shot Mum coz of the name. Weird!
As long as the rules are good I'd play any title to be honest. I can't see how it matters.
Quote from: Steve J on 18 May 2012, 10:14:03 AM
It's named after Maurice de Saxe, one of the foremost commanders of the period, so don't be put off by the name.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_de_Saxe
I know, its just not very inspiring a title thats all :)
Quote from: Serotonin on 18 May 2012, 10:24:58 AM
Ive had this argument before with people on PMT who said they would never play I Aint Been Shot Mum coz of the name. Weird!
As long as the rules are good I'd play any title to be honest. I can't see how it matters.
First impressions last with any consumer product, and image is everything. I never said I wouldn't play it, I just said the title put me off.
I aint been shot mum sounds like a fun game to play, it gives that impression that it wouldnt take its self too seriously.
Maurice sounds crap, it doesnt even sound lke a game, its like a gay hairdresser or one of the beegees!
If they ever had an intention of trying to sell more product or get new players into the genre, I just think it will put people off. Like I said when I looked into a preview a few weeks back, I thought it looked ok and something I'd play.
My wife would think I was on the turn if she saw me reading it ! :o I just asked her what her first impressions of the name were and she's just said it sounds like a womans name! :o
I don't think its gonna have mass market appeal or bring anyone into the hobby.
It was the title that drew me to it. I saw people mentioning Maurice and I had to know more. Perhaps im the odd one.
Greetings
While I'm not sure that I find 'Maurice' intuitive as automatically referring to De Saxe, the name is a perfectly normal French first name. Also remember Major-General Maurice Rose was a WW2 US general.
Regards
Edward
Currently playing my first full Maurice game and we have discovered that base frontage is quite critical. Currently cavalry are on 5mm wider bases than infantry. This meant that my opponent could only get three cavalry units through a gap to attack, whereas if the cavalry had been on the same 25mm frontage as the infantry bases then four units would have got through the gap; so yes, the frontage is crucial. It also makes maneouvering and formation changing easier if the bases are square. Cavalry rebasing will have to be done!
Quote from: i_am_win on 18 May 2012, 10:43:50 AM
First impressions last with any consumer product, and image is everything. I never said I wouldn't play it, I just said the title put me off.
Maurice sounds crap, it doesnt even sound lke a game, its like a gay hairdresser or one of the beegees!
If they ever had an intention of trying to sell more product or get new players into the genre, I just think it will put people off. Like I said when I looked into a preview a few weeks back, I thought it looked ok and something I'd play.
I don't think its gonna have mass market appeal or bring anyone into the hobby.
If the title puts you off go and find a wargame with a macho image...... Good luck =) It's a well recorded fact that girls queue up to go out with men who play with soldiers. ???
If the forum relating to Maurice is anything to go by I'd say the name has done anything but put people off - in fact its brought people along who were curious to find out more. Surely they cant all be camp can they :-/
The problem with homophobia is that the people that peddle it go on about it so much that they're probably more bi-curious than those that are openly gay and proud of it. :D
Live and let live - don't knock it till you've tried it. Read into that what you will. :-*
I wasn't knocking the game nor was I being homophobic. Its just the name doesnt say what it does on the tin, so to speak thats all ;)
I've just finished basing my FIW (very nice, in the sunshine, listening to the cricket) - onto 25x25 for infantry, 25x50 for artillery & 20 circular for CinC & notables.
Looks like Im going with 25mm square bases with 4 little men on each.
Quote from: nikharwood on 27 May 2012, 01:51:11 PM
I've just finished basing my FIW (very nice, in the sunshine, listening to the cricket) - onto 25x25 for infantry, 25x50 for artillery & 20 circular for CinC & notables.
Pics please!
Im desperate to start my 10mm AWI force but after managing to break my graphics card while installing a SSD, thats on hold this month.
Quote from: nikharwood on 27 May 2012, 01:51:11 PM
...(very nice, in the sunshine, listening to the cricket)...
That sounds much nicer than being stuck in the unit casting!
:(
Agreed, pics please Nik :). Base wise I'm going down the route Nik has taken, as it seems the best to me.
I've been enjoying the sunshine all weekend, gardening, playing with the kids etc, so little if any gaming stuff taking place.
Hmm, I'm a bit stuck here. Just got the rules, REALLY like the look of them, but the only figures I've got for this are some beautiful figures I picked up last year - only they are 12 figures a battalion grouped in 2x4s and 2x2s. The cavalry are OK as 4x2s. Not sure I can duplicate the quality by adding a base of 4 figures for each battalion myself. What is a man to do? Go back to my 15s and treat my 3" x 1 1/2" V&B bases as two Maurice bases? I suppose I could do the same with my Pendraken Marlburians which are based the same. But then my cavalry 3"x3" brigade bases become Maurice cavalry forever stuck in deep formation.
What do folks think?
Mollinary
Quote from: nikharwood on 27 May 2012, 01:51:11 PM
I've just finished basing my FIW (very nice, in the sunshine, listening to the cricket) - onto 25x25 for infantry, 25x50 for artillery & 20 circular for CinC & notables.
What ^he^ said: we need Nik's pics to fix us in the mix, yo-ohh 8)
I've been out cycling for most of this godawful beautiful day, so my muscles are aching and my butt feels like it's been sandblasted. In fact it has been, because we had a swim in between.
So umm... ah yes, it's base sizes we're talking! For 10mm. Nik plz pwitty plz, can we haz some pics to give us ideaz?
Sunburnt cheers,
Aart
Right - very quick pics (I need to get back out into the sun...the beer is warming up while I sort this for you lot!)
You'll see here that some units have a stand with 3 figures on it: this is because I've managed to use 1 Pendraken code for two units...ie 30 figures rather than 32 that 4 x 8 bases would require; Indians have 3 per base just cos they're 'proper' irregular. Essentially (with a couple of additions from the bits box) these were done with the £22 army packs 8) :) 8)
British:
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/STA40039.jpg)
3 x Line
2 x Roger's Rangers
2 x Gage's Light
2 x Provincials
2 x Indians
3 x Artillery 3pdr
3 x CinC / notables
French:
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/STA40040.jpg)
3 x Franches de la Marine
2 x Troupes de Terre
2 x Coureur de Bois
2 x Canadian Militia
3 x Indians
3 x Artillery 3pdr
3 x CinC / notables
Looks pretty good, Major General. I think I will base mine the same.
Thank you so much, and enjoy your beer! >:<
Cheers,
Aart
left wondering what having your butt sandblasted feels like... B)
Quote from: Aart Brouwer on 27 May 2012, 05:26:03 PM
Looks pretty good, Major General. I think I will base mine the same.
Thank you so much, and enjoy your beer! >:<
Cheers,
Aart
You're welcome Major :D
The beer was good today - and I'm mellowing nicely now with a glass of something cold & white...I love summer...
Quote from: Nosher on 27 May 2012, 08:11:27 PM
left wondering what having your butt sandblasted feels like... B)
Do you want me to order you one from Jewsons Hire Nosher mate? You could experiment & then let us all know ;D
Quote from: nikharwood on 27 May 2012, 09:15:50 PM
Do you want me to order you one from Jewsons Hire Nosher mate? You could experiment & then let us all know ;D
You sweet talking bar-steward you!
Quote from: nikharwood on 27 May 2012, 09:15:50 PM
...and I'm mellowing nicely now with a glass of something cold & white...
Milk? :-\
Hi,
I will Base my Marlburian this way:
Infantry on 3 cm wide and 2 cm deep, with 6 Minatures on Base,
Cavalry on 3 cm x 3 cm with 3 Minis,
and Artillery on 3 cm wide and 5 cm deep.
With this, I can also use them for Beneath the Lily Banners 2nd Ed., I only have to put one base of Infantry per Battalion aside.
Notice for Myself: Order the Maurice Rules....
Peter