I'm thinking about getting these rules sometime, so can someone please tell me how to base figures for them? ???
In particular WW2 Germans/Soviets.
In BKC 2, which is the one that you'll be wanting to get these days, there is no recommended basing but BKC the original did have recommendations, Tanks 50 x 30, Infantry 50 x 25, transports 50 x 25 and Artillery 40 x 40, if memory serves. Pete the Author might have an odd copy left, or try Cavilier, the original high end print run is now a thing of the past and all future copies will be using the LULA (???) system, with no shiny colour piccies inside.
Hi there - you could join the forum for BKC rules - Specialist Military Publishing - there is a huge amount of information on it!
There are several threads about base sizes and at the end of the day it makes no difference within the rules as long as both sides are mounted consistently with each other - the previous post gives a typical spread of bases for various arms - in 10mm
Of course it depends on scale that you intend to use and again there are several threads on that.............
There are no hard and fast rules as to how many infantry figures you put on a base as it is not relevant - firing etc is done per base not per figure
from reading the threads it os clear that many wargamers would have preferred to be told what to do but as I siad it does not matter as long as both sides are the same - if you have an opponent in mind or you are in a club then ask them what they do and copy it :)
Hope this helps!
Mine are based as follows:
Infantry - 50mmx25mm with 4 figures per base (other players often have 5 per base).
Infantry Support Weapons - 25mmx25mm with support weapon and a 2-3 figures.
Artillery Support Units - 25mmx50mm with artillery weapon and 2-3 figures per base.
HQs- 25mmx25mm with 3 figures per base.
CO - 40mmx40mm with 4-5 figures per base.
Recce - 2 pence coin with 3 figures per coin.
FAO/FAC - 2 pence coin with two figures per coin.
All vehicles, AFVs left unbased.
Hope this helps.
Mine - 40x20 with 4 figures for riflemen, 40x40 for AT guns and Rgt/Brigade HQ's, 20 x20 for spotters, Btn CO's, and spotters. Vehicles unbased.
ianS :)
I prefer the CWC basing, infantry at 40x30. I also base "special" infantry like scouts at 30x40.
I plan to downsize my support bases - light at guns, mgs, mortars, to 30mm frontage.
Ahh...the endless basing debate! ;D
You'd think as a hobby, we could have come up with a concensus by now eh?
BkC however is pretty much 'do as you like as long as its consistent'. I'd avoid round bases for anything but commanders/spotters though, since you get a fantasy fire arc of 180 degress to your front which is hard to visualise on a round base).
The only advantages to be gained from basing are in measuring distances (base to base) and that's likely to be negligible.
There are lots of 'xxCommander' fans around these parts. Personally i think the sci-fi Future War Commander works pretty well, but for some reason the WWII BkC II doesn't. Not sure why really. Wierd.
I've not played Cold War Commander* although i'm not inclined too given the mauling i took over at SMP for asking the simple question 'how do you get round the 'nuclear exchange' thing which would end a Cold War Gone Hot pretty quickly?' :(
* Actually since SMP don't seem to be producing their games any more its unlikely i'll ever get hold of a copy, short of getting lucky on evilbay. :'(
CWC covers Indo-China, Korea, Vietnam, the Arab-Israeli conflicts etc so plenty of options out side the NATO vs Soviet 'what if?' conflicts.
As has already been said, it's pretty much up to you so long as you are consistant. When I first started playing BKC I was using armies based for PBI on 30x30 Peter Pig bases. This has now become the "club standard" bases size for both 10mm and 15mm!
Quote from: sunjester on 10 April 2012, 09:47:36 PM
As has already been said, it's pretty much up to you so long as you are consistant.
I'd second that. In any period where the opposing forces rarely (if ever) come into base-to-base contact base sizes are irrelevant. Course, it helps if both sides are on the same size of bases, for the look of the thing. If you have a regular opponent(s) have a word with them; if you game solo - do what you like. ;)
Quote from: Luddite on 10 April 2012, 01:59:45 PM
You'd think as a hobby, we could have come up with a concensus by now eh?
For some folks, debating basing *is* their hobby. ;D
Sadly, sometimes I am one of them. :(
I have enough trouble making my own mind up on basing let along managing to agreee with someone else.
FWIW my 10mm WWII stuff is currently on FoW bases i.e. 2"x1.1/4" with 4 or 5 infantry. Used to be 1.1/8"x7/8" with 3 figures (as per Battlefront WWII for 15mm figs)
DBM has cast a long shadow over me and i have a tremondous amount of stuff based as 40x20mm and 40x40mm.
Trouble is i've never really liked it as you can't form column properly. I'd prefer 20x20mm or even 25x25mm for formation flexibility, but i'm definately not rebasing all that stuff.
Basing is my least favourite part of the painting process... >:(
I used for mine what I had lying around which was a bundle of warmaster bases.
Infantry 40x20 with 5 figs. I used these for support weapons/mortars etc.
Artillery 40x40 with 2-3 crew
Tanks on 20x40 The few I have fit and it feels better for moving them around.
HQ's on 2p with a bigger 60x60 sabot for when I get round to buying some HQ vehicles.
FAO on 1p
It seems to work okay, the infantry is perhaps packed a bit closer than I've seen elsewhere but i'm used to 14 models on the same base size in 10mm so 5 seems empty by comparison.
Quote from: Luddite on 11 April 2012, 02:12:08 PM
DBM has cast a long shadow over me and i have a tremondous amount of stuff based as 40x20mm and 40x40mm.
Trouble is i've never really liked it as you can't form column properly. I'd prefer 20x20mm or even 25x25mm for formation flexibility, but i'm definately not rebasing all that stuff.
Basing is my least favourite part of the painting process... >:(
I completely agree with the last sentence you have there. ;)
So far, I'm going to try several different styles (just for experimentation), but right now I have some mortars/machine-guns on 25x25mm (2-3 figs), same with infantry (4-5 figs), and CO on 30x30mm. The HQ seems a bit cramped on a 30x30mm, with 4-6 figures and all, so I'm probably gonna change it eventually, to 50x50mm. Since, obviously, basing stuff sucks, I just completely opt out of basing them vehicles (except for command jeeps and small ones like that). I think the 52mm guns are also on 30x30mm. Might try 40x20mm for infantry. Snipers have 15x15mm bases. Haven't got around to basing recce, and some other things like that.
Thanks everyone for your help!