'Inherited' these a while ago from a friend who lost the urge to paint ten mm after loosing a finger.
Has been a lot of discussion about what they looked like, but here's the start of the Saxon 1866 force:
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/madlemmey/1866%20Saxons/002.jpg)
An infantry division and a few supporting assets.
Divisional General
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/madlemmey/1866%20Saxons/012.jpg)
1st Infantry Division.
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/madlemmey/1866%20Saxons/003.jpg)
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/madlemmey/1866%20Saxons/004.jpg)
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/madlemmey/1866%20Saxons/005.jpg)
I decided to base all four battalions together to keep in scale with my V&B Prussians. The flags are hand painted - a right pain!
Reiters in cap
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/madlemmey/1866%20Saxons/006.jpg)
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/madlemmey/1866%20Saxons/008.jpg)
They were great fans of the can-can!
Jagers
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/madlemmey/1866%20Saxons/007.jpg)
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/madlemmey/1866%20Saxons/011.jpg)
Foot Artillery
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/madlemmey/1866%20Saxons/010.jpg)
Those are lovely 8)
Well done Lemmey!
Those look great, and you've made a splendid job of the flags.
Mollinary
nice.
Very nice, I like the basing and layout of the units.
Very nice; another reminder to repaint my saxon gunners; I had them done overseas (not Fernando, I hadn't discovered them then, some other outfit), anyhow they came back in a garish sort of apple green, horrible.
Nice one, Lemmy. I agree totally about the flags. Yours are better than mine, though. :(
More Saxons chaps...
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/madlemmey/1866%20Saxons/104.jpg)
2nd Saxon Division
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/madlemmey/1866%20Saxons/103.jpg)
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/madlemmey/1866%20Saxons/102.jpg)
Reiter Brigade
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/madlemmey/1866%20Saxons/101.jpg)
A few of the Saxon 'big cheeses'!
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/madlemmey/1866%20Saxons/100.jpg)
Artillery, suspect they're the wrong guns, but they'r ethe ones I 'inherited', good thing I have spares...
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/madlemmey/1866%20Saxons/099.jpg)
Guard and 1st Reiters.
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/madlemmey/1866%20Saxons/098.jpg)
More Saxons!
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/madlemmey/1866%20Saxons/097.jpg)
and this is how they dealt with deserters!
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/madlemmey/1866%20Saxons/096.jpg)
Leibguard Brigade.
CinC, 2 units of skirmishing Reiters and 7 batteries of artillery to do, and this lot will be complete!
;D
Except I've done some further reading tonight, and I've got all the artillery pieces I have painted thus far wrong!
So, I'm now painting eighteen artillery pieces, fourteen sets of artillery crew and two reiter skirmish stands and the c-in-c next! Yay! ;D :D ;)
Hi Lem!
Another great job of painting and basing, as usual. I am puzzled with your remarks about the artillery - I was under the impression that the Saxon Corps only had 10 batteries in 1866 - 6 of 12pdr shell guns (2 of which were horse arrillery) and 4 of 6pdr breech loaders, so why the 18 guns? It did have 18 batteries in 1870, if I recall correctly. Also my eyes are not what they were, but the flags for your last brigade look different from the others - is this right?
Regards,
Mollinary
My bad explaination Mollinary: I have two guns per 'battery' on a base. Therefore, I have two painted that are correct, and another 9 batteries that need their artillery.
The ones with different flags are Liebguard battaions, which, according to my research and all the sites everone helpfully provided had a white standard rather than green (I hope, because they are pains to piant).
Lemmey,
Interesting about the guns, I would never have thought of having two guns a battery for this scale (perhaps because for my 1870 armies I'd need about 400+ of them! I find it hard enough fitting them on the table with 1 gun per battery). I'm afraid on the flags, I have some bad news. We have both contributed to threads on this before, the famous "Saxons - Difference between 1866 and 1870" thread and the "1866 Austro-Prussian Battle" thread started by Bernie Ganley. I have checked my posts on both, and although not exactly models of the clarity one would expect in English prose, they are all consistent - all 16 battalions in 1866 carried green flags. The history of Saxon flags is complicated, and a number of wargame sources have got confused over the years, particularly with the Leibgrenadiergarde flag of 1815 ( the one I think you've reproduced). If you'll forgive the digression, the story goes something like this. In 1815 the Saxons incorporated into the Prussian army mutinied, and the Prussians destroyed the Leibgrenadiergarde's flag as part of the punishment. A new one was immediately made, a white Leibfahne of broadly traditional pattern. In 1822, the Saxon army was re-organised, into a "Garde Division" and 4 regiments each of 3 battalions. The Garde Division carried the 1815 LGG flag. The other regiments all got new flags, all the same , all green. In the corners were the regimental numbers in Roman numerals for Regiments I, II and III, and a gold crown for the Leib Regiment. In 1848 the "Garde Division" was disbanded, and the 1815 flag returned to the Arsenal for storage. Later the four other regiments were re-organised as "Brigades" each of four independent battalions. The existing flags and battalions became the first three battalions of the brigades, and each brigade raised a new fourth battalion. These battalions, numbers 4,8,12, 16 all received new flags of the 1822 green pattern, but with the initials "JR" in the shield. The devices in the corner now represented the first, second, third, and Leib Brigades - no guards. When the army was reorganised on Prussian lines after 1866, it had eight three battalion regiments, so 24 battalions in all. Flags were moved about so although the third battalions of all the regiments were newly raised, they got old green flags. The first battalions got white Leibfahnen. The first two regiments were designated Grenadiers, and the first received the old 1815 LGG flag from the Arsenal, while all the other received newly designed white flags. So, in sum, in 1866 the army had 16 green flags, in 1870 it had 8 white and sixteen green flags. Sorry to go on!
Mollinary
;D No problems - always glad to be corrected by someone with a wider knowledge of the period than I.
For a source I used page 42 of 'The Armies of 1866. A Guide to the Uniforms And Organisation of the Armies of The Seven Weeks War' by Pickelhaube Press, which states 'The infatry flags of the Leib Brigade were white etc etc...' I just used the next standards up on
http://www.historischer-bilderdienst.de/flaggen-fahnen-und-standarten/hottenroth-saechsische-fahnen-und-standarten.php (http://www.historischer-bilderdienst.de/flaggen-fahnen-und-standarten/hottenroth-saechsische-fahnen-und-standarten.php) from the green line standards, assuming they were the Leib Brigade!
Guess I'll repaint after this batch is done! :D
Easy to do, and I am afraid a number of Wargames sources on this period work off very little information. The info is available, but largely in German. It was the lack of precision which led me to take a punt and e-mail the German Army Museum in Dresden to see if they had any info. The rest, as they say, is history! Dr Bauer, a historian working there, was incredibly helpful and that enabled me to see the originals and identify the main sources with the details. The confusion all seems to stem from the service history of the 1815 LGG flag, and the assumption that if it was in service in 1815, and in 1870, it must have been in service in 1866! Still we all know what they say assumption is the mother of!
Mollinary
If it's any consolation, Lemmy, I fell for the same source. Only after being set right by Mollinary did I get it right - well, as right as one can be on a 10mm figure! =)
Maybe we need to read through The three Saxon threads and put them all together in a 'Saxon Resources' post in Resources! If we're alll making that mistake, perhaps pooled knowledge can avoid anyone else making the mistake in the future? Then maybe Mollinary should edit it and we can benifit from amazing depth of his knowledge. :D
Well volunteered! :D
Oops!
Last batch of 1866 Saxons:
The repainted Leibguard standards... :P
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/madlemmey/1866%20Saxons/028.jpg)
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/madlemmey/1866%20Saxons/018.jpg)
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/madlemmey/1866%20Saxons/019.jpg)
HRH Prince Albrecht.
Reiter Skirmisher stands
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/madlemmey/1866%20Saxons/026.jpg)
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/madlemmey/1866%20Saxons/030.jpg)
Some divisional artillery
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/madlemmey/1866%20Saxons/023.jpg)
Finally a full strength 2nd Division
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/madlemmey/1866%20Saxons/032.jpg)
1st Division
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/madlemmey/1866%20Saxons/034.jpg)
Full strength Reiter Division
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/madlemmey/1866%20Saxons/031.jpg)
Corp Reserve Artillery
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/madlemmey/1866%20Saxons/024.jpg)
The Whole Corps
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/madlemmey/1866%20Saxons/036.jpg)
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/madlemmey/1866%20Saxons/037.jpg)
Storage!
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/madlemmey/1866%20Saxons/038.jpg)
And a terrifying monster intent on destroying them!
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/madlemmey/1866%20Saxons/039.jpg)
I like the paintwork on the last one!
Oh, and the others too, I suppose.
What amazes me is how the large furry object manages to cling to the wall it's lying up against. :D
Oh, and well done on the painting side. 8)
Greetings
I'm not well read on the Saxons but these look very nice.
So what's the Pendraken code for the furry object? [In our case it's YSC1 'You stupid cat 1' - he has a tendency to pick up 10mm stands by the figures if I'm not careful].
Regards
Edward
:D
Nice Saxons 8)
Quote from: kustenjaeger on 04 June 2012, 06:51:36 PM
So what's the Pendraken code for the furry object? [In our case it's YSC1 'You stupid cat 1' - he has a tendency to pick up 10mm stands by the figures if I'm not careful].
In our case "FFB1" Fat fluffy blob! She's called Tabs, very neurotic but lovely!
Congrats Lemmey, they look great! I love the overall look of the Corps, and the "aggressive" basing. One final quibble, but an easy one! ;)
For reasons I totally do not understand,their glorious and magnificent Feldherr is Kronprinz "Albert" , not the more Germanic "Albrecht". I think the American comment on this one might be "Go figure!". Just got back from a trip to the field of war with Cameronian, among others. Had a great time, once again I found the fields fascinating as well as moving, and learned lots. To be recommended if you get the chance.
Mollinary
:-[Another case of different sources saying different things, guess I was in a proPrussian mood when I did his label and so used that sources spelling! :'(
I can relabel later, maybe! ;)
Thanks for the tour recommendation! Any pictures? :D
I feel your pain - I bet most of the sources saying Albrecht were in English! The best proof positive, however, is if you Google Konig Albert you'll find entries for "SMS Konig Albert", a German Battleship of the Kaiser class named after our hero. On photos, members of our party took some, and have promised to share, but haven't done so yet. I am afraid what few talents I have do not really lie in that direction. If I get some I'll discuss with Leon how we might post them. On that subject, they should include views from many angles of a complete Austrian Rocket system, on tripod, which we got up close and personal with in the St John Chapel at Trautenau. I would like to persuade Leon to reproduce this, to replace the pig trough currently masquerading as the system in the range at present! :d
Mollinary
Ohhh, now that I want to see! :D
Ah, yes, but how effective was it? :d
Well, our Czech historian gave some pretty impressive figures for performance, which left me wondering why it went out of service. Many of us bought a booklet on the rockets, sadly only available in Czech, so when we get it translated I may be able to answer your question. Until then it remains a mystery!
Mollinary
All Saxon resources now condensed into one thread in resources:
http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5467.msg50155.html (http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5467.msg50155.html)
to replace the pig trough currently masquerading as the system in the range at present
;D
My gods, it's that good! =O