After the excellent work on the three Russian models which arrived a couple of weeks ago (http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4625.0.html (http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4625.0.html)), modelled by new Forum member mart678, we've put together the vehicle design schedule for the next 10 months or so!
The lists has been put together mainly using the Requests lists, plus the items needed for the Falkland's range. I hope there's something here for everyone (Aztecs and Tarleton's aside!), and hopefully this means that Ianrs54 can stop going on about his tanks... :P
WWI / AVBCW
Seabrook Armoured Car
WWII
British
Comet A34
CMP 15 CWT Truck
Humber LRC
Soviet
BA-10
T-40
Italian
M11/39
Lancia 3RO truck
Fiat L6/40
Vietnam/Indo-China/etc
M24 Chaffee
Mk III Centurion
Mk V Centurion
T-54/55
Falklands
Scorpion
Scimitar
Land Rover
Snowcat
Panhard AML-90 A/C
Mercedes G-Wagon Jeep
LVTP-7
:-bd 8)
PS, these are the vehicles on Mart678's list, there are other vehicles being done by other folk elsewhere... 8)
Woohoo! Superb 8)
Good stuff - except the Mk 3 and Mk 5 Centurions are in effect identical - the changes are all internal - changed BESA for Browning and deleted 2" mortar. Assume you are intending to do 2 Turrets - 1 with the fume extractor and one not. 2 Hulls would be useful, with and without Bazooka plates. Third turret with an asymetric fume extractor covers all but upgraded Isralai ones. That should make all the intelligent followers of this forum happy - cause those with the hat fixation will moan.
Cheers
IanS
Whoops - forgot - British army stopped using Arabic mark nos in 48, so all Cents after Mk II are listed in arabic ones.
I Know - Pedant.
ianS
Quote from: ianrs54 on 17 February 2012, 06:13:45 PM
Good stuff - except the Mk 3 and Mk 5 Centurions are in effect identical - the changes are all internal - changed BESA for Browning and deleted 2" mortar. Assume you are intending to do 2 Turrets - 1 with the fume extractor and one not. 2 Hulls would be useful, with and without Bazooka plates. Third turret with an asymetric fume extractor covers all but upgraded Isralai ones. That should make all the intelligent followers of this forum happy - cause those with the hat fixation will moan.
The designer has already come back to me with the same info, so it'll be 1 hull / 2 turrets for the Centurions, and 1 hull / 1 turret / 2 barrels for the T54/T55's as well.
This is good news and hopefully the slippery slope to some T64/72/80s, Chieftains Challengers and all. :) Possibly a Conquerer :o as no one else does these.
RE: Cents, they and the T55 mean the Arab/Israeli wars are a possibility. So you would need a a Cent with a 105mm. I think the first to get it was the Mk5/2, in effect a retro fit (I'd better check). That is possibly what the designer was thinking?
Cheers, Rob :)
Quote from: Leon on 17 February 2012, 05:55:43 PM
Vietnam/Indo-China/etc
M24 Chaffee
Mk III Centurion
Mk V Centurion
T-54/55
Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you. Now I just have to be patient.
If I were quibbling, I'd say that you're missing an M48A3 ....
Cheers, Martyn
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8) just 8)
Cheers,
Kev
Quote from: Raider4 on 17 February 2012, 07:20:46 PM
If I were quibbling, I'd say that you're missing an M48A3 ....
On a worktable elsewhere... ;) :D
Quote from: Leon on 17 February 2012, 06:45:48 PM
The designer has already come back to me with the same info, so it'll be 1 hull / 2 turrets for the Centurions, and 1 hull / 1 turret / 2 barrels for the T54/T55's as well.
Two hulls - for 'nam you need No bazooka plates, most other areas used them. Also - M48.
IanS
A nice range there to keep most of us happy ;).
Fills most of the gaps in the post WW2 era.
Might mention the PT76 again. Important in Viet Nam and elsewhere.
Greetings
Some of these are very welcome.
Any news on doing some more artillery pieces? :-)
Regards
Edward
Quote from: Hertsblue on 18 February 2012, 11:59:30 AM
Might mention the PT76 again. Important in Viet Nam and elsewhere.
Also on a workbench elsewhere... 8)
Quote from: kustenjaeger on 18 February 2012, 06:14:59 PM
Any news on doing some more artillery pieces? :-)
Which ones in particular? I've got some Italian pieces which should be ready for March.
Greetings
Quote from: Leon on 18 February 2012, 06:16:31 PM
Which ones in particular? I've got some Italian pieces which should be ready for March.
Excellent - as I was mainly thinking about Italian. The other standout is the Soviet 76mm M27 or M43 infantry howitzer that I've been wittering about on and off for years :-)
Regards
Edward
Hullo all, this is in reply to IanS, Centurian Mk 3 & 5s.
The Mk 3 up graded to Mk 5 is as you rightly mentioned. plus 2" of armour added to the front glacier plate.
The Mk 5 turret is different casting. There is no escape hatch on the rear of the turret bussel but Mk 2 and some 3 have. Instead there is a small outline frame and strap for a (black) jerry can for water.
As Mk 5 was never designed to have a 2" (smoke bomb) mortar, they changed the position and shape of the loaders hatches, the loaders periscope moved from the turret glacier to the turret roof just forewad of the hatch.
Also the Mk 5 has an extra return roller, so keep your skirt (ing plates) on and nobody will ever know.
I have worked on Mk3, 5s and 11s, an 11 is a Mk 5 with all the goodies.
I hope this will help somone?
catgunner
Sorry - that is way to simple - 3 to 5 as I outlined - 5/2 adds armour, 5/3 upgunned, both = 6 (think), 7 - more internal fuel, 8 - only 20 or so, rest as 8/2. 11, 12 13 are full hits with IR, Ranging gun (Not RMG !) - difference is based on starting mark. Course for Isralies all Cents were Mk 5 - regardless.
In model terms three turrets and 2 hulls, Turrets with A and B 20pdr barrels, and 105 barrel, Hull with and without bazooka plates.
IanS
Quote from: Leon on 17 February 2012, 05:55:43 PM
and hopefully this means that Ianrs54 can stop going on about his tanks... :P
like thats gonna happen!!!!!!
I'll bet Mart678 as had a WTF moment.
;D
Laeast I dont walk up and down a catwalk with a dodgy hat.
IanS
MORE TANKS
Sorry about jumping straight in with out no intro.
I am 65, grey haired, ex squaddie and have a thing about armour, having spent 10 years in them + TA.You could say I have been lucky. Being in one of crews picked to shoot in the 1970 'CAT Shoot' (Canadian Army Trophy), the last time we won, if you go to Canadian Army Trophy, there is a video of the 1987 shoot. Also a Leopard 1 crewmen.
A publican for 20yrs, a fall down 13 concrete cellar steps ended my working life.
I am not a war gamer as such, 'N' gauge model railways is my weakness, it just happens to be German and the periods covered happends to be the mid 1920s to the late 60s.
So its mobile flak batteries, armoured trains, troop trains and tank/frieght transport to the front. With a little bit of civvie trains now and then.
By the way the Mk 7 cent is a totally diffrent hull, the rear has a changed along with vented engine and transmission decks. Mk 8s is a 7 with a gun mantlet has change + minor changes. which became a Mk 12.
The Isrealies Mk 5s had an engine change to one fitted to M48 also the engine decks look like the M48
Hi, Catgunner. Nice to hear from you. I was beginning to think I was the only sixty something on the block. :D
Bog off !!
I'll be joining you in a little over a year Ray !
I wish I was still in my 30's...(40's would be fine too !) ;)
Creaking all over (to the tune of 'Shaking all over') - Phil.
Hello Leon ,
Good news about new vehicles.
Re CMP 15cwt
Which CMP cab is it , the early one or later , the later cab is already available from other makers, I would love the early version because of the different conversions possible with that model if it comes open topped.
Very usefull for the Desert
Cheers
Toolsey
Any chance of having some scramblers/motorbikes for Falklands range ;)
Greetings
Without revisiting the absence of Pz III G/H with 5cm L42 gun for Balkans/Desert/Barbarossa has anyone got a picture of GR127 Pz III J to see if I can easily convert it?
Regards
Edward
Hi Hertsblue, Techno and Edward, as for being 60 + years old, it is only figures, it is how young your mind thinks problems through from experience that matters. I know this to be true because my mind, writes cheques my body can't cash.
Edward your question about pictures of the Pz 111 late varients, have you thought about Bovington Tank Museum. I found them very helpful. I heard about the SPATG from a friend (I know phone a friend), It was a chieftain varient that was minor joint project with the germans. A 'Jagd-Chieftain' called 'Chemerier', only 1 prototype built to test the german engine in a chieftain hull. They (bovie) had pictures and drawings, the drawings looked like a 120mm gun in a stug 111 casement, on a chieftain hull.
Try David Fletcher (curater) at Bovington. I found him very helpful.
Regards to all, (and keep your heads down)
Maurice (Spud) Tait
Hi, I just thought of a 'chuckle' that we did in the late 60s. One of our troop was getting married in the UK, so we sent him a telegram to be read at the reception. Telegram read:-
Before advance remember to T & A (test & adjust)
Check bore clearance
Advance to contact
On contact, Engage.
Conserve ammo for long engagment
When ammo expended, Withdraw
Hope this made you chuckle
Regards
Spud
Very good ;D.
Like it, Spud, like it :D
;D ;D ;D
Greetings
Quote from: catgunner on 23 February 2012, 12:59:16 PM
Edward your question about pictures of the Pz 111 late varients, have you thought about Bovington Tank Museum. I found them very helpful.
I go to Bovington once a year or so and I'm OK (I think) on the key differences between the various Ausf (recognising that there were retrospective changes etc in various cases - one of the Panzer IVs at the museum is a case in point IIRC).
My real question was too see a picture of the Pendraken model (GR127) to see what the particular J model has on it - the J changed mid production from a short 5cm to a long 5cm gun. The J also featured addiitonal spaced armour which differentiated it from the earlier models. However I've realised I have a GR127 myself which I compared to the L's I have as well as to the various photos. The Pendraken GR127 has the long L60 5cm KwK and the mantlet and the barrel shape are different for the L42 5cm KwK mounted on the Ausf G/H and early J so my hopes for self-modifying GR172 don't seem to be good.
Regards
Edward
Quote from: Leon on 17 February 2012, 05:55:43 PM
WWI / AVBCW
Seabrook Armoured Car
:D
I like very, very much.
Just to update, the LVTP-7 arrived with us at the WMMS show, and it looked awesome. I should really have taken some pics, but it went straight off to get moulded, so we'll hopefully have it back here soon.
8)
Quote from: Leon on 17 March 2012, 09:46:43 PM
Just to update, the LVTP-7 arrived with us at the WMMS show, and it looked awesome. I should really have taken some pics, but it went straight off to get moulded, so we'll hopefully have it back here soon.
8)
Excellent - looking forward to seeing these 8)
Quote from: Leon on 17 March 2012, 09:46:43 PM
Just to update, the LVTP-7 arrived with us at the WMMS show, and it looked awesome. I should really have taken some pics, but it went straight off to get moulded, so we'll hopefully have it back here soon.
8)
That should please the Falklands buffs at least. ;)
No sci-fi vehicles?!! :'(
Quote from: Luddite on 18 March 2012, 10:40:01 AM
No sci-fi vehicles?!! :'(
It's all depending on your viewpoint. If you're doing 1930's based AVBCW, then a Centurion, T55 or LVTP-7
are science-fiction ... ;)
Cheers, Martyn
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LVTP-7 is an easy convert for Sci-Fi. Odd vehicle to do first - the Cent and T55 series would be more popular perhappes.
IanS
Quote from: Raider4 on 18 March 2012, 10:53:33 AM
It's all depending on your viewpoint. If you're doing 1930's based AVBCW, then a Centurion, T55 or LVTP-7 are science-fiction ... ;)
Cheers, Martyn
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There's nothing about AVBCW that could or should be described as 'science'! ;D
Well, except for Heath Robinson science i suppose... :D
Of course historical vehicles can be kit bashed (especially for things like Wierd World War Two) but far better to have proper sci-fi models...
Ah well...maybe 2013 then? :(