Are you ready for this then! This is the master list which the designer is working from. There's no precise scheduling, he's just gonna keep working his way through them. There are also some things which would only have slight differences, so he may do some which can double up, instead of sculpting extra figures.
I shall await the inevitable bombardment of queries now... :D
FRENCH
Line
Centre (Shako)
Grenadier (Bearskin)
Voltigeur / Grenadier (Shako)
Drummer (Shako)
Standard (Shako)
Foot Officer (Shako)
Mtd Officer
Light
Centre (Shako)
Carabiniers (Bearskin)
Voltigeur (Shako)
Drummer (Shako)
Standard (Shako)
Foot Officer (Shako)
Mtd Officer
Line Marines
Infantry
Drummer
Standard
Foot Officer
Other
Sappers
Pontoniers
Artillery
Foot Crew (Shako)
Horse Crew (Colpack)
Foot Limber
Horse Limber
4 Pdr
6/8 Pdr
12 Pdr
18 Pdr
Howitzer
Mortar
Extra Limber Horses
Mtd Officers
Brigade
Division
Corps
Line Chasseurs a Cheval
Trooper (Shako)
Trumpeter (Shako)
Standard (Shako)
Officer (Shako)
Hussars
Trooper (Shako)
Trumpeter (Shako/Colpack)
Standard (Shako/Colpack)
Officer (Shako/Colpack)
Line Dragoons
Trooper (Helmet)
Trumpeter (Helmet)
Standard (Helmet)
Officer (Helmet)
Cuirassiers
Trooper
Trumpeter
Standard
Officer
Carabiniers
Trooper (Bearskin)
Trumpeter (Bearskin)
Standard (Bearskin)
Officer (Bearskin)
Guard Tirailleur Chasseurs
Infantry
Drummer
Standard
Mtd Officer
Guard Tirailleur Grenadiers
Infantry
Drummer
Standard
Mtd Officer
Guard Fusilier Chasseurs
Infantry
Drummer
Standard
Mtd Officer
Guard Fusilier Grenadiers
Infantry
Drummer
Standard
Mtd Officer
Guard Chasseurs a Pied
Infantry
Drummer
Standard
Mtd Officer
Guard Grenadiers a Pied
Infantry
Drummer
Standard
Mtd Officer
Guard Marines
Infantry
Drummer
Standard
Mtd Officer
Guard Artillery
Foot Crew
Horse Crew
Foot Limber
Horse Limbers
Extra Limber Horses
Guard Grenadiers a Cheval
Trooper
Trumpeter
Standard
Officer
Guard Chasseurs a Cheval
Trooper
Trumpeter
Standard
Officer
Guard Empress Dragoons
Trooper
Trumpeter
Standard
Officer
Guard Polish Chevaulegers
Trooper
Trumpeter
Standard
Officer
Guard Gendarmerie d’Elite
Trooper
Trumpeter
Standard
Officer
FRENCH ALLIES
HESSE-DARMSTADE
Leib Guard/Guard Fusilier/ Fusiliers
Infantry
Drummer
Standard
Mtd Officer
Musketeers
Infantry
Drummer
Standard
Mtd Officer
Fusiliers
Infantry
Drummer
Standard
Mtd Officer
Chevaulegers
Officer
Trooper
Standard
Trumpeter
Artillery
Foot Crew
Foot Limbers
BAVARIA
Light
Infantry
Drummer
Standard
Mtd Officer
Line
Infantry
Drummer
Standard
Mtd Officer
Chevaulegers
Officer
Trooper
Standard
Trumpeter
Artillery
Foot Crew
Horse Crew
Foot Limber
Horse Limber
BADEN
Jager
Infantry
Drummer
Standard
Mtd Officer
Line
Infantry
Drummer
Standard
Mtd Officer
Light Dragoons
Officer
Trooper
Standard
Trumpeter
Artillery
Foot Crew
Horse Crew
Foot LimberHorse Limber
SAXONY
Grenadiers
Infantry
Drummer
Standard
Mtd Officer
Tirailleurs
Infantry
Drummer
Standard
Mtd Officer
Line
Infantry
Drummer
Standard
Mtd Officer
Other
Sappers
Pontoniers
Artillery
Foot Crew
Horse Crew
Foot Limber
Horse Limber
Garde du Corps
Officer
Trooper
Standard
Trumpeter
Chevaulegers
Officer
Trooper
Standard
Trumpeter
Hussars
Officer
Trooper
Standard
Trumpeter
Cuirassiers
Officer
Trooper
Standard
Trumpeter
OTHERS
Tirailleurs Corses
Infantry
Drummer
Standard
Mtd Officer
Tirailleurs du Po
Infantry
Drummer
Standard
Mtd Officer
Portuguese Legion Infantry
Infantry
Drummer
Standard
Mtd Officer
Portuguese Legion Cavalry
Officer
Trooper
Standard
Trumpeter
AUSTRIAN
German Infantry (Helmet)
Infantry
Drummer
Standard
Mtd Officer
German Grenadiers
Infantry
Drummer
Standard
Mtd Officer
Hungarian Infantry (Shako)
Infantry
Drummer
Standard
Mtd Officer
Hungarian Grenadiers
Infantry
Drummer
Standard
Mtd Officer
Jagers
Infantry
Drummer
Foot Officer
Grenz
Infantry
Drummer
Standard
Mtd Officer
Landwehr
Infantry
Drummer
Foot Officer
Archduke Charles Legion
Infantry
Drummer
Standard
Mtd Officer
Vienna Freiwilliger
Infantry
Drummer
Foot Officer
Artillery
Foot Crew
Horse Crew
Foot Limber
Horse Limber
Extra Horses
3 Pdr
6 Pdr
12 Pdr
Howitzer
Hussars
Officer
Trooper
Standard
Trumpeter
Cuirassiers
Officer
Trooper
Standard
Trumpeter
Chevaulegers / Dragons
Officer
Trooper
Standard
Trumpeter
Insurrection Hussars
Officer
Trooper
Trumpeter
That is an impressive list, although my knowledge of the Napoleonic period is poor to say the least. Any idea when the Brits and their Allies will be released?
Quote from: Steve J on 18 December 2010, 06:31:35 PM
Any idea when the Brits and their Allies will be released?
Errr....
:(
can we have Carabiniers in helmets please for the French :D
Quote from: old smokie on 19 December 2010, 01:56:20 PM
can we have Carabiniers in helmets please for the French :D
I've put these on the list, but the above stuff will be getting done first.
Superb ;) Nice to see the lesser states being covered too 8)
thanks Leon
There is one obvious area missing from all the 10mm Napoleonic manufactureres; Spanish. The later period you can use British, and some of the Revalutionary French will do for some things, but the period 1806-11 is an obvious gap.
Is that all - next week then ? ;D
IanS
All of these in one year? :o Hard to believe. Good luck to the designer!
We'll do our best to get them done as quickly as possible, but I think he's been working on it for about 7 months already, so it'll take some time.
Quote from: 138SquadronRAD on 01 February 2011, 03:00:17 PM
There is one obvious area missing from all the 10mm Napoleonic manufactureres; Spanish.
These will get done at some point down the line, but we'll need to fill the main areas first.
Suprised that there's no cornet for the French lights...
Very exciting list . i look forward to seeing the miniatures .
Quote from: GavinP on 02 February 2011, 05:46:46 PM
Suprised that there's no cornet for the French lights...
It's not on the list, but there is a cornet in the light infantry packs.
I think you forgot the kitchen sink :o
One thing that I noticed that the Saxons will probably stand in quite well for Prussians 1806. I think the uniform was almost the same including the haversack on the hip. Great, now just change the heads on the french and you have the French from the Glory years. Ok so the coat tails might not be long enough but no major problem.
Look forward to the Rev war range, which no one does a complete range in any scale. I also think that you will get a lot of gamers who already own lots and lots of 1809-1815 in 15mm going for the Rev range since they will perceived it as not duplicating.
I just hope you keep snapping that whip so the sculptor keeps going.
One other observation and wish it would be great if you had the gunners in two sets one firing and one running the gun back, as most nations would fire alternate guns so that they kept one loaded, not set in stone of course but it would look great to have every other gun model firing and the other being run back up!!!!
William
Sorry, fingers not working. Re: the 1806 Saxons. Interested in ther comment on the uniform. I have only seen an illustration as you describe in the on-line German journal. 'Depesche'. Do you have a source other than this as most illustrations/publications show them in a more full dress uniform? I have been holding back on painting the Prussians as Saxons because I could only find the single reference.
Cheers
Chad
There are couple of books sitting on my shelves at home, will check and send you some more stuff tonight.
William
Chad,
Does this help?
http://www.napoleon-series.org/military/organization/c_saxon1805.html
Nigel
Nigel
Not really. Those are the standard prints that I have found. I was interested in the point that the 1806 Saxons may weel have been uniformed on campaign in a similar way to the Prussians. As I said i have only ever found one reference to this and was interested to see what other references might be available.
Thanks
Chad
Hi Chad
You are correct the Prussians in 1806 seem to have worn trousers over their pants and gaiters, while the Saxons did not seem to do that. In Poles and Saxons of the Napoleonic Wars by Nafziger, Wesolowski and Devoe it is not stated that they wore breeches. However, in 10mm I would have no problem in 10mm to paint the Saxons as Prussians with the brown or grey pants. The other difference seems to have been that the Prussians have a high collar while the Saxons seem to have a low collar. But it seems to me that Dave would have little problem adding pants over the Saxon breeches and gaiters and easy conversion.
William
William
This is the link to the example I referred to.
www.napoleon-series.org/research/bibliographic/c_depesche.html
Chad
Hi Chad
Interesting illustration, that is the only one I have seen with the Saxons in trousers. I would think it is a mistake, but it might be some regiments had trousers but I don’t have any other proof so I will go with the traditional view of breeches and gaiters.
William
William
That was my initial thought, but as it was from a German magazine and the fact that the Saxons and Prussians appear to have been closely allied, it did not seem too much of a stretch. I posted the question on TMP once, but no one offered any suggestions or comments, so I still don't know whether to take it as accurate.
Chad
So Leon, that list looks great!
I too would like to know if you had the time to think of a tentative time to start bugging you about Prussians, British and Spanish troops ;)
How 'bout now :D
Quote from: Blaker on 28 February 2011, 11:38:19 PM
So Leon, that list looks great!
I too would like to know if you had the time to think of a tentative time to start bugging you about Prussians, British and Spanish troops ;)
How 'bout now :D
As if me giving people a time would delay the requests at all anyway!
;D =O
Oh Oh, what about Russian Opolochenie units and British Congreve Rockets? Can they or will they be added to the wish list?
The first thing that comes to mind is that if you stick rigidly to your time-table it will be quite a while before the French and their allies get some opponents to fight. Admittedly there will be some painting time required to get either side up and running but wouldn't it be more effective to mix in a few Austrians/Prussians/Russians? Do we really need the Tirailleurs du Po, a single battalion from an obscure provice, before Austrian, Prussian or Russian line infantry?
Just a thought.
Quote from: Hertsblue on 01 March 2011, 06:42:56 PM
The first thing that comes to mind is that if you stick rigidly to your time-table it will be quite a while before the French and their allies get some opponents to fight. Admittedly there will be some painting time required to get either side up and running but wouldn't it be more effective to mix in a few Austrians/Prussians/Russians? Do we really need the Tirailleurs du Po, a single battalion from an obscure provice, before Austrian, Prussian or Russian line infantry?
Just a thought.
As I mentioned at the top of the list, there's no precise scheduling for the range, he's working through it at his own rate and order. However, I asked him about getting some Austrians done when I spoke to him about a month ago, and we should be seeing the start of those within the next six months. As you say, we really need some opposition for people to create two usable armies, so that's what we're aiming to have by summer.
Quote from: Leon on 01 March 2011, 09:15:05 PM
As you say, we really need some opposition for people to create two usable armies, so that's what we're aiming to have by summer.
A pretty good Austrian or Russian army can be put together from the 1812 range IMHO
Quote from: NTM on 02 March 2011, 08:32:19 AM
A pretty good Austrian or Russian army can be put together from the 1812 range IMHO
It rather depends on which period you want to game and how fastidious you are about uniforms worn in particular campaigns. The Austrian crested helmet had gone by 1812, to be replaced by that strange shako with the double peak. And the Russian jagers were wearing a totally different uniform. I tend to agree that you go with what you can get - but there's always someone who wants the coat-buttons two inches higher....
Agreed to an extent, but an 1809 Austrian army can be put together using the helmetted figs which was still worn by most German Regiments at the time. Many French units were still wearing the habit veste in 1812-13 due to delays in issuing the Bardin uniforms so they can fight Austrians in shako and Russians too.
Hey just thinking - would it be nice to have some dead nappy figures? Dead horses would be easy enough as well as broken cannon but Infantry need to be face down arms out or face up or on their side with arms out or something like that ;)
Quote from: Blaker on 08 March 2011, 11:39:09 PM
Hey just thinking - would it be nice to have some dead nappy figures? Dead horses would be easy enough as well as broken cannon but Infantry need to be face down arms out or face up or on their side with arms out or something like that ;)
We've got the dead horses covered, and I'm sure some equally unfortunate persons will follow at some stage!
:D
Hi
Anyone know what of the Napoleonic range will be available at Salute, I would love to pre order a bunch of the, Hussars, Dragoons, Cuirassiers, Line in Bearskin etc etc.
Thanks
William
;)
I'll have a look at what we've got and let you know. I was hoping to have the artillery ready as well, so that we could start putting army packs together, but it's cutting it fine now.
Hi Leon
That would be great as I have a couple of our club members from Copenhagen who are going to be at Salute and I was hoping they could pick up some pre ordered goodies.
Thanks
William
Right then, the 3 cavalry types will be ready, so you can pre-order those. Anything which arrives now will probably be too late to get moulded in time for Salute.
So Curraisiers, Dragoons and Hussars :)
Great I will put my order together this weekend and get it to you.
Thanks
William
The Carabiniers have just arrived as well, so we'll see if we can fit those before Salute.
Happy for what you guys are making - happy days and many thanks :P :P ;),
Bri
God save the Queen
I apologize in advance if this has already been asked and answered. What time period of the Napoleonic Wars is this new range to cover? Also, will this range be compatible with your other Napoleonic ranges?
Thank you.
Quote from: grunt101st on 19 March 2011, 06:12:11 PM
I apologize in advance if this has already been asked and answered. What time period of the Napoleonic Wars is this new range to cover? Also, will this range be compatible with your other Napoleonic ranges?
Thank you.
The main list is for Wagram 1809, and once that's done we'll start working out from there to cover the other areas. They won't be compatible with the current Peninsular ranges, as these will eventually be phased out, but they look OK with the 1812 ranges.
When you say "not compatible with the current Peninsular ranges" is that because they're bigger, smaller, bulkier or just better sculpted?
Quote from: Hertsblue on 24 March 2011, 06:17:57 PM
When you say "not compatible with the current Peninsular ranges" is that because they're bigger, smaller, bulkier or just better sculpted?
The older figures are nice sculpts when you consider how old they are, but they're a bit taller and thinner than these new ones. I've not got any to hand to compare though, I'll see if I can get some shots taken.
There's some pics of the current Peninsulars in Nik's batrep here: http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=117.0 (http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=117.0)
"For releases, I'm estimating sometime around July or August I think. I've got a load of odds and ends to get released in March, then Sci-Fi in April, ACW in May, and I'm leaving June spare just in case!"
Would it be possible to get an idea of what will be released this year and approximate times for the Napoleonic ranges please?
This would be great for planning what can be achievable this year. Thanks
I cannot find the list of what the 1809 ranges is eventually going to cover, has this been pruned?
Cheers, Rob :)
I've only got rough estimates of what we'll have and when unfortunately, there's no master list of what we're releasing each month. The French artillery are hopefully going to go into the March releases, which fills that particular hole. After that the next Naps release will be the Austrian Cav, which would be somewhere in the next 6 months. Beyond that I couldn't tell you, it all depends on what arrives from the designer and how much time we've got for getting things moulded up.
The Wagram list is here: http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4400.0.html (http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4400.0.html)
8)
Leon, any chance we can get some photos of the Austrian artillery from the 1812 Moscow line? And does the 1812 artillery represent 6 or 12 pdr artillery? I know I am going to need Austrian artillery within a month or two and the 1812 Austrian artillery may fill the immediate needs until the new artillery is available.
Quote from: Jagger on 19 February 2012, 04:55:24 PM
Leon, any chance we can get some photos of the Austrian artillery from the 1812 Moscow line? And does the 1812 artillery represent 6 or 12 pdr artillery? I know I am going to need Austrian artillery within a month or two and the 1812 Austrian artillery may fill the immediate needs until the new artillery is available.
There was a pic posted recently which I think is the 1812 gun, although it's hard to tell from the distance in this pic:
http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4646.msg40647.html#msg40647 (http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4646.msg40647.html#msg40647)
Dave reckons it's a 6pdr.
Thanks for the info Leon.
I presume the 1812 ranges will not be replaced in the near future, so could you put up some pics of these ranges please? The same type as you have for the 1809 range. It would be particually useful to get some pics of Austrian limbers and guns.
Cheers, Rob :)
We've been chatting with the designer about some of the outstanding items on the French lists here, but the main delay at the moment is the time required to research all the Guard types, to find out the differences in uniforms, and whether a single sculpt would cover two or more types?
So, do any of our more knowledgeable Nap afficionado's have any info they can share to quicken up the process? These are the ones we're looking at:
Guard Tirailleur Chasseurs
Infantry
Drummer
Standard
Mtd Officer
Guard Tirailleur Grenadiers
Infantry
Drummer
Standard
Mtd Officer
Guard Fusilier Chasseurs
Infantry
Drummer
Standard
Mtd Officer
Guard Fusilier Grenadiers
Infantry
Drummer
Standard
Mtd Officer
Guard Chasseurs a Pied
Infantry
Drummer
Standard
Mtd Officer
Guard Grenadiers a Pied
Infantry
Drummer
Standard
Mtd Officer
Guard Grenadiers a Cheval
Trooper
Trumpeter
Standard
Officer
Guard Chasseurs a Cheval
Trooper
Trumpeter
Standard
Officer
Guard Empress Dragoons
Trooper
Trumpeter
Standard
Officer
Guard Polish Chevaulegers
Trooper
Trumpeter
Standard
Officer
Guard Gendarmerie d'Elite
Trooper
Trumpeter
Standard
Officer
(PS, We've got Guard Grenadiers already, but I need to check on whether they are the Guard Fusiliers or Guard a Pied type.)
4:25 AM?
Have you been supping of the tincture of the Blue Lotus, which all men know cause many hours of wakefullness? If so, beware! The azure libation give but short term advantage, those who drink too deeply are oft found wandering mumbling incoherently sad tales of loss or frightful tales of demons who writhe from the shadows to judge souls and take to the very outer gates of hell those that displease them. For the lucky, there may be a long sleep, riven with dark dreams in which one's nethers are always uncovered, and impossible tasks are repeated again and again for a fruitless eternity. For those less fortunate, there is only descent into chaos and madness in which friends appear as fuit bats, and family as horned bison - except for 2nd cousins whose ghastly form is that of a Portugese Cacadore, about 1810. Beware then, good Leon, beware and thrice beware! The Blue Lotus is like the hag who plies her trade in the seediest of watering holes (I'm sure you know them) who covers her ugliness with artful artifice and who can entice men into an embrace that offers but little comfort. Then comes the awakening, the realisation of the evil that you have wrought upon your own person, the terror of uncertainty, and the inevitable collapse into foulness.
Or was it just the bladder playing up?
Sorry. What I meant to say was "do you have any plans for the Engineers, Marines and Gunners?"
Quote from: Nosher on 19 December 2010, 03:53:11 PM
Superb ;) Nice to see the lesser states being covered too 8)
Seconded =D>
Cheers,
Aart
Wow - I have the osprey range, but that is a comprehensive list!
Quote from: fsn on 16 April 2013, 06:11:55 AM
4:25 AM?
Have you been supping of the tincture of the Blue Lotus, which all men know cause many hours of wakefullness? If so, beware! The azure libation give but short term advantage, those who drink too deeply are oft found wandering mumbling incoherently sad tales of loss or frightful tales of demons who writhe from the shadows to judge souls and take to the very outer gates of hell those that displease them. For the lucky, there may be a long sleep, riven with dark dreams in which one's nethers are always uncovered, and impossible tasks are repeated again and again for a fruitless eternity. For those less fortunate, there is only descent into chaos and madness in which friends appear as fuit bats, and family as horned bison - except for 2nd cousins whose ghastly form is that of a Portugese Cacadore, about 1810. Beware then, good Leon, beware and thrice beware! The Blue Lotus is like the hag who plies her trade in the seediest of watering holes (I'm sure you know them) who covers her ugliness with artful artifice and who can entice men into an embrace that offers but little comfort. Then comes the awakening, the realisation of the evil that you have wrought upon your own person, the terror of uncertainty, and the inevitable collapse into foulness.
Or was it just the bladder playing up?
:D :D :D
Blue Lotus wouldn't smell of petrol, by any chance, would it?
Blue lotus is fine with a dash of lemon, but I think I missed the obvious answer. Leon arrives at show before the cock crows and does not depart until tye last radiance of the sun has faded. He has never been seen to eat a mini garlic chicken kiev.
I cry NOSFERATU!
Quote from: fsn on 16 April 2013, 06:13:06 AM
Sorry. What I meant to say was "do you have any plans for the Engineers, Marines and Gunners?"
If I am not mistaken Engineers (http://www.pendraken.co.uk/NPF12-p5662/) and Marines (http://www.pendraken.co.uk/NPF11-p5661/) are already out? As to gunners of the guard, the line horse artillery fellows (http://www.pendraken.co.uk/NPF28-p6366/) would actually do better as Guard Horse Artillery because they all come with a colpack. To my knowledge only the guard had that. The line horse artillery had shakos (otherwise they looked the same).
Quote from: Leon on 16 April 2013, 03:25:26 AM
So, do any of our more knowledgeable Nap afficionado's have any info they can share to quicken up the process? These are the ones we're looking at:
I have been wondering for a while whether your line grenadiers (http://www.pendraken.co.uk/NPF10-p5660/) could not double up as old guard (guard grenadiers and guard chasseurs) in campaign dress (i..e long trousers rather than gaiters), with the difference being that trousers would be painted blue rather than white. I am not certain though.
By the way: A loading figure for the French (and some generals /marshals) would be much more urgent than the guard. My firing line is eagerly waiting for one.
Quote from: Leon on 16 April 2013, 03:25:26 AM
We've been chatting with the designer about some of the outstanding items on the French lists here, but the main delay at the moment is the time required to research all the Guard types, to find out the differences in uniforms, and whether a single sculpt would cover two or more types?
So, do any of our more knowledgeable Nap afficionado's have any info they can share to quicken up the process? These are the ones we're looking at:
(PS, We've got Guard Grenadiers already, but I need to check on whether they are the Guard Fusiliers or Guard a Pied type.)
Would you like me to do this for you?
And their importance on the table? Well, I can't play my little corner of the Battle of Essling without the Young Guard.
Based on Otto von Pivka, Armies of the Napoleonic Aera, the main differences between the various Guard types seem to be as follows:
- Difference of Chasseurs of the Guard vs. Grenadiers of the Guard: Chasseur bearskin has no plate, Chasseurs have "Polish cuffs", i.e. cuffs are pointed.
- Fusilier Grenadier: As Grenadier of the Guard but with shako instead of bearskin, shako with cords and side struts, brass plate, and plume. Pictures of Fusilier Grenadiers that I have are all in gaiters while for Grenadiers of the Guard I see both gaiters or long marching trousers. Personally, I like trousers better (more of a campaign look), but don't know if fusiliers had these.
- Fusilier Chasseurs: As Chasseur of the Guard (i.e. with pointed cuffs) but with shako like fusilier grenadier
- Tirailleur Grenadiers: short skirted blue tunic, Polish cuffs, shako seems to have been like middle guard
- Tirailleur Chasseurs: like Tirailleur Grenadiers, but pompon on shako instead of plume
Hope this helps. Others may have additions/corrections
There is tons of info on uniforms in our resources section. Here is another one for the French.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniforms_of_La_Grande_Arm%C3%A9e#Grenadiers_of_the_Old_Guard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniforms_of_La_Grande_Arm%C3%A9e#Grenadiers_of_the_Old_Guard)
Guard Generalities:
Eagles were issued to all cavalry regiments and the 1st and 2nd Grenadiers and Chasseurs a pied only, eagles were not issued to other regiments.
Old guard grenadiers of horse and foot were about 6" taller than the line average height.
All shakos had eagle front plates (if that is do-able).
Young guard regiments could have officers in old or middle guard uniforms although this is not a rule.
http://library.worldtracker.org/World%20History/Napoleonic%20&%20Revolutionary%20Wars%20-%201792-1815/Osprey%20-%20Men%20at%20Arms%20160%20-%20Napoleon's%20Guard%20Infantry%20(2).pdf (http://library.worldtracker.org/World%20History/Napoleonic%20&%20Revolutionary%20Wars%20-%201792-1815/Osprey%20-%20Men%20at%20Arms%20160%20-%20Napoleon's%20Guard%20Infantry%20(2).pdf)
There are some conflicting sources around the young guard during the 1809-12 period.
Guard Tirailleur Chasseurs, Guard Tirailleur Grenadiers
Uniform cut is the same for both. Light infantry style i.e. pointed lapels and cuffs, but the jacket tails are shorter than older guard or line units, just covering the rump. Shako pompom for both is a round ball without the tuft of line units, however there is variation here with some having a lentil shaped pompom and some also having a plume. This last seems to be to distinguish between the young guard regiments rather than for type and either method would be correct. No fringes on the epaulettes in 1809. Gaiters stop below the knee and trousers are covered by the gaiters. Sabres.
There is a difference in more than one reference that has the Tirailleur Chasseurs with fringed epaulets. This was certainly the case in December 1810 when the all the young guard regiments became either tirailleur (any of the former young guard regiments with grenadier in their title) or voltigeur (any of the former young guard regiments with chasseur in their title).
An ideal compromise would have three types. 1. No fringed epaulet and no plume. 2. No fringed epaulet and plume. 3. Fringed epaulet and plume.
This would allow any interpretation and would also mean you would not have to produce any young guard figures for 1812.
http://www.napoleon-series.org/military/organization/frenchguard/c_tirailleurs2.html (http://www.napoleon-series.org/military/organization/frenchguard/c_tirailleurs2.html)
http://www.napoleon-series.org/military/organization/frenchguard/sthilaire/c_sthilaire9.html (http://www.napoleon-series.org/military/organization/frenchguard/sthilaire/c_sthilaire9.html)
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Guard Grenadiers a Pied, Guard Fusilier Grenadiers
Uniform cut is the same for both. Line infantry style i.e. square lapels and French cuffs, long jacket tails. Shako with plume for the fusiliers. Bearskin with eagle front plate and cloth top patch for grenadiers. Fringes on the epaulettes. Gaiters stop above the knee but may be covered by trousers on campaign. Sabres.
Guard Chasseurs a Pied, Guard Fusilier Chasseurs
Uniform cut is the same for both. Light infantry style i.e. pointed lapels and cuffs, long jacket tails. Shako with plume for the fusiliers. Bearskin with no front plate or top patch for chasseurs. Fringes on the epaulettes. Gaiters stop above the knee but may be covered by trousers on campaign. Sabres.
Hope that helps,
Cheers, Rob :)
I plan to play with 14 of my students the battle of Aspern-Essling in May 2014, so I would badly need the Baden and Hessian troops...and NOBODY proposes this range among the 10mm manufacturers. I am sure Weewars will join me to beg you to consider this range as a priority....after the centurion of course!
yeah
see this thread http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8417.0.html
Also Württemberg and Saxony
Any news on when the rest of the range will be out - French with no guard is making me sad! :(
Quote from: cmuk on 01 August 2014, 01:56:39 PM
Any news on when the rest of the range will be out - French with no guard is making me sad! :(
The sculptor will be going back to the French once we've got the British and Prussians sorted for Waterloo. The Brits are all here now (pics coming soon!) and the Prussians are being started this month.
8)
Quote from: cmuk on 01 August 2014, 01:56:39 PM
Any news on when the rest of the range will be out - French with no guard is making me sad! :(
As that was your first post, cmuk.......A very warm welcome to the forum !!
Cheers - Phil
Quote from: cmuk on 01 August 2014, 01:56:39 PM
Any news on when the rest of the range will be out - French with no guard is making me sad! :(
You do realise that if you field Guard they should be in divisional strength? The Imperial Guard, being a last reserve, very rarely fought at all (hence the Line's scathing nickname of "the Immortals" for them.) until the last days, when it was "every man to the pumps".
Quote from: Hertsblue on 02 August 2014, 10:33:43 AM
You do realise that if you field Guard they should be in divisional strength? The Imperial Guard, being a last reserve, very rarely fought at all (hence the Line's scathing nickname of "the Immortals" for them.) until the last days, when it was "every man to the pumps".
Except, this being an 1809 range, the Old Guard are pretty much a must have for Aspern-Essling and the Young Guard are involved fairly constantly from their arrival.
And in 1809 I think we're talking brigade formations not division - anyway the elements of the guard were often committed a la Mouton :D so a brigade strength fire brigade is perfectly apt.
My point was, you don't get the odd random battalion wandering around on its own.
True enough - I don't think the guard was ever a single unit formation after the conversion of the consular guard.
it is usually committed in regimental or brigade chunks - can't think of a single unit commitment off hand.
My point though was that 1809 is one of the few campaigns before 1814 where the guard was committed :D
Quote from: Hertsblue on 02 August 2014, 10:33:43 AM
You do realise that if you field Guard they should be in divisional strength? The Imperial Guard, being a last reserve, very rarely fought at all (hence the Line's scathing nickname of "the Immortals" for them.) until the last days, when it was "every man to the pumps".
Look if I'm pretending to be Napoleon Ill decide when and where I commit my Guard, thank you very much :D
I play grand tactical, each base is a brigade.. I need my guard.
*psst* Think you might have the wrong Napoleon there? ;)
Quote from: mad lemmey on 04 August 2014, 10:26:26 AM
*psst* Think you might have the wrong Napoleon there? ;)
Wasn't just me that was fooled by the lack of punctuation then :o
Bad punctuation aside... any chance of some 1809 Austrian flags?
Quote from: cmuk on 08 August 2014, 07:32:54 AM
Bad punctuation aside... any chance of some 1809 Austrian flags?
Use the 1806* ones - hardly any flags had been exchanged for the theoretical new ones. Indeed most of the old flags remained in issue past the end of the Coalition Wars.
It's only a change of numeral in any case. Only difference is after 1808 it's one per battalion not two.
And this is in no way as important as the real requirements:
French howitzers
French 12pdrs
Württemberg
Hesse
Saxony
French Guard
Quote from: cmuk on 08 August 2014, 07:32:54 AM
Bad punctuation aside... any chance of some 1809 Austrian flags?
Are you trying to cripple this forum?
Quote from: Zippee on 09 August 2014, 07:50:19 AM
Use the 1806* ones - hardly any flags had been exchanged for the theoretical new ones. Indeed most of the old flags remained in issue past the end of the Coalition Wars.
It's only a change of numeral in any case. Only difference is after 1808 it's one per battalion not two.
And this is in no way as important as the real requirements:
French howitzers
French 12pdrs
Württemberg
Hesse
Saxony
French Guard
Ok that's cool, I only really need the national flag anyway.
Quote from: cmuk on 09 August 2014, 06:51:44 PM
Quote from: Zippee on 09 August 2014, 07:50:19 AM
Use the 1806* ones - hardly any flags had been exchanged for the theoretical new ones. Indeed most of the old flags remained in issue past the end of the Coalition Wars.
It's only a change of numeral in any case. Only difference is after 1808 it's one per battalion not two.
And this is in no way as important as the real requirements:
French howitzers
French 12pdrs
Württemberg
Hesse
Saxony
French Guard
Ok that's cool, I only really need the national flag anyway.
I see Lieutenant Zippee is pushing the Cadets around again ;D
Break him to the ranks and put him at the front of the column....
IanS
Quote from: paulr on 09 August 2014, 09:23:13 PM
I see Lieutenant Zippee is pushing the Cadets around again ;D
Again? :o
But his bark is worse than his sap (did I get that right?) :-\
Quote from: Hertsblue on 10 August 2014, 09:56:27 AM
But his bark is worse than his sap (did I get that right?) :-\
Only in estuary....
ianS
Quote from: cmuk on 01 August 2014, 01:56:39 PM
Any news on when the rest of the range will be out - French with no guard is making me sad! :(
I have Guard Chassuers a Cheval in 25mm in the attic, 15mm in the garage (storage is overflowing) and my life will not be complete unless I also have them in 10mm.
...... and the Red Lancers (I know they are not at Wagram)
...... and the Polish
:)
Hi Leon
I know you're very busy right now but are you planing to cast some polish infantry and cavalry?
It would make superb allies in my growing french army 8)
Quote from: Guilz on 30 September 2014, 09:58:09 AM
I know you're very busy right now but are you planing to cast some polish infantry and cavalry?
It would make superb allies in my growing french army 8)
Eventually yes! They will be done at some point, but I do not have any timescales at the moment.
8)
Quote from: Rob on 11 August 2014, 01:59:47 PM
I have Guard Chassuers a Cheval in 25mm in the attic, 15mm in the garage (storage is overflowing) and my life will not be complete unless I also have them in 10mm.
...... and the Red Lancers (I know they are not at Wagram)
...... and the Polish
:)
And the Lancers of Berg? (They
were part of the Imperial Guard - eventually) You can us the same models for all three units. :-bd
Thancks Leon, i'll be patient ;)
Well, it's been a while, and while I understand the recent Napoleonic focus has been on the Waterloo British, the battlefield at Wagram remains incomplete. It would be great to see the core French completed, and by that I mean the Old and Young Guard Infantry, Guard cavalry, Generals and Personalities and 12lb guns and Guard Foot Artillery. Any rough timeframe that can be given for these last pieces in the French puzzle?
-- George Krashos
... and all the Germans and proper 1809 French light infantry and a French hussar officer ... and Austrian cuirassiers without a backplate and Insurrection cavalry and ...
... and proper 1809 French cuirassiers ...
.... and did I mention drum cords on the drums?
Quote from: George Krashos on 06 March 2015, 12:39:48 PM
It would be great to see the core French completed, and by that I mean the Old and Young Guard Infantry, Guard cavalry, Generals and Personalities and 12lb guns and Guard Foot Artillery. Any rough timeframe that can be given for these last pieces in the French puzzle?
Guard infantry are done and are here at Pendraken HQ for moulding. The Guard cavalry are arriving over the next 2 months or so. I'll check on the Guard artillery as well, as I think they've been done.
The Generals/Personalities and 12lb guns have already been sculpted and moulded and are awaiting release.
Quote from: WeeWars on 06 March 2015, 01:36:01 PM
... and all the Germans and proper 1809 French light infantry...
???
Quote from: WeeWars on 06 March 2015, 01:36:01 PM
... and Austrian cuirassiers without a backplate...
Nope. :D
Quote from: WeeWars on 06 March 2015, 01:36:01 PM
... and Insurrection cavalry ...
Somewhere down the line.
Quote from: WeeWars on 06 March 2015, 01:37:11 PM
... and proper 1809 French cuirassiers ...
Nope. :D
Quote from: Westmarcher on 06 March 2015, 01:44:17 PM
.... and did I mention drum cords on the drums?
Probably not at this point!
8)
Quote from: Leon on 06 March 2015, 03:39:38 PM
The Generals/Personalities ... have already been sculpted and moulded and are awaiting release.
I guess that's two marshals and an emperor. We also require at least one French general.
www.michaelscott.name/1809/1809blogpost179.htm (http://www.michaelscott.name/1809/1809blogpost179.htm)
(There was even at least one non-Pendraken French general in the Pendraken Painting Competition hiding at the back as a result of no Pendraken French high command :o ;) ;D )
Quote from: Leon on 06 March 2015, 03:39:38 PM
I'll check on the Guard artillery as well, as I think they've been done.
Both foot and horse artillery crews need to be done to bring the uniforms into line with 1809.
Quote from: Leon on 06 March 2015, 03:39:38 PM
Guard infantry are done and are here at Pendraken HQ for moulding. The Guard cavalry are arriving over the next 2 months or so. I'll check on the Guard artillery as well, as I think they've been done.
Does this include the Young Guard Leon?
Its a real shame the Austrian cuirassiers wont be fixed.
Quote from: Rob on 09 March 2015, 10:49:42 PM
Does this include the Young Guard Leon?
There should be Young, Middle and Old, but I'll wait and see what arrives. There have been many phone calls and discussions, as the differences between the three types, and then between the Chasseurs and Grenadiers within each variety, are sometimes getting so small that it's not worth the sculpting time when an existing figure would suit. Of course some people will only buy them if they're coded and labelled as each type, others are happy to cut down a plume, file off an epaulette or paint on a braid/tassle.
What would be really nice for a change, would be to have cords on the shakos of the Young Guard to distinguish them from the Pendraken line and light that don't have them.
So no Swedes yet then?
:-<
I've just read through this thread and I have come to the conclusion that no matter what Leon and the good people, dwarves and other supernatural creatures at Pendraken do (not forgetting Milady. Hello Milady. B)) they will never, ever, ever be right. I want my late war Napoleonic in parade dress, Ithoriel wants them in greatcoats and shako covers, Fenton wants the 1812 dress, Westmarcher wants a party dress.
Poor old Techno and others of that ilk ("You know what an ilk is?" "A large deer?") can work their scabby fingers to the bone but will never, ever, ever satisfy demand - and I think it would almost be a shame if they did.
So a hearty thank you to everyone at Pendraken for your efforts, and I'm sorry if some of us (yes, me included) may come over as a little impatient. I think you provide a great service and sometimes we (the ants at the Pendraken picnic) possibly take you for granted.
Hear hear =D>
Now where are the bloody dark ekves and undead? :D
Quote from: fsn on 14 March 2015, 12:52:33 PM
Westmarcher wants a party dress.
I heartily agree with the sentiments in your post fsn, however that snippet reminded me of a diorama I saw many, many years ago at the Model Engineering Exhibition (I think).
It was a 54mm scale diorama of the ball on the eve of Waterloo.
In the mid-ground were British officers and fashionably dressed ladies, waltzing.
In the foreground stood Wellington, a couple of aides and the hostess with Wellington presumably saying the line that formed the title of the piece.
In the background two Grenadiers of the Old guard held open the french windows while a French general waltzed with one of the ladies.
The title of the piece was something like."The speed of Napoleon's advance has been greatly exaggerated, m'dear"
Quote from: Ithoriel on 14 March 2015, 02:14:14 PM
two Grenadiers of the Old guard held open the french windows
Appropriate :D
Well, it's been a year and those Young Guard, Guard artillery and Guard cavalry masters must be awfully dusty on Leon's shelf, as they've not made an appearance.
No incentive to buy more figures for my Aspern/Wagram French army if there is no prospect of ever completing it due to figure unavailability.
-- George Krashos
Bump, so that the Master List might still twitch with a little life.
OK so Leon fielding requests for new sculpts must be a bit like herding wild cats ... in a storm ... with a water pistol ... (empty) ... whilst blindfolded, but apart from Peninsular Brits, what is next on this list, if anything?
This is an old list now so we wouldn't be bouncing back to anything on this in the future. Some items may raise their heads on other lists going forward but I've not looked at this thread for a long time now! There's the French Guard stuff mentioned elsewhere, and then our Peninsular expansion next year.
Thanks for that. Clearly time for a new list (post Brit Peninsular and Guard).