Hi all
i would like to do the rorke drift in 10mm but i would like to know :
1- If anyone have experience with the OG for the buildings. any pictures of the buildings with Pendraken figs?
2- anyone could share pics of the 10mm Pendraken figs for Brits and zulus?
3- what to use as barricades and crates for this scale? it seems 10mm buildings from OG does not come with them.
4- what rules do you use?
thanks!
no replies yet? :o
Just to check what OG stands for...old glory???
as for pictures of the figures:
http://koti.welho.com/ctenwold/10mmworld/PendrakenColonialsZuluWar.html
just checked with old GLory website and it says it comes with mealie bag walls but it might be the redoubt which is classed as the walls.
you could go for GR141 boxes and stoves or GR44 boxes and sacks, but to be honest for the size you would need I would scratch build.
As for generic rules cant help there I am afraid but if playing out the battles in the buildings I would go for some form of skirmish rules or even role play ones I use savage worlds role play rules for skirmish
hope that helps a bit :D
There's some nice painted Zulu stuff in this thread: http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2742.0.html (http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2742.0.html)
i forgot about that thread :D
For your crates & barricades, don't forget these:
GR170 Barricade
GR189 Sand banked street barricade
i need pics of those references. please help
gr44
gr189
gr141
gr170
thanks and merry christmas
Finally I decided to start this project after looking at the awesome pictures of a rorke drift game in 10mm from the Birthday bash.
I would like to know some more information about the following:
1- What rules do you recommend for gaming Rorke drift? I had 2 different rulesets I found in internet for this particular. Jolly Rogers and Assault to Rorke drift.
2- Anyone has the 10mm OG set for ROrke Drift? I would like to see pics of that compound with 10mm figs from Pendraken. How playable is this set? Does it come with the mealie bags or just the buildings?
3- What rules were used in the RD game from the Birthday bash?
Thanks in advanced.
Quote from: Maenoferren on 18 December 2011, 08:43:51 PM
Just to check what OG stands for...old glory???
as for pictures of the figures:
http://koti.welho.com/ctenwold/10mmworld/PendrakenColonialsZuluWar.html
just checked with old GLory website and it says it comes with mealie bag walls but it might be the redoubt which is classed as the walls.
you could go for GR141 boxes and stoves or GR44 boxes and sacks, but to be honest for the size you would need I would scratch build.
As for generic rules cant help there I am afraid but if playing out the battles in the buildings I would go for some form of skirmish rules or even role play ones I use savage worlds role play rules for skirmish
hope that helps a bit :D
the set is in 15mm not 10mm but the buildings will most likely work just not the barricades
check the 10mm set:
http://www.oldgloryuk.com/disp_item.php?oc=4121&c=337
(http://www.oldgloryuk.com/image/pics/bld10331.jpg)
The rules I've found most suitable are the following:
- Jolly Rogers Rorke's Drift: http://www.reocities.com/cdferree/rorke/rorke.htm
- Rorke's Drift: http://home.comcast.net/~tsrstevew/RorkDrft/zulupg.htm
- Rorke's Drift Rules: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/Rorkesdrift125yearsdemo/
I would like to know which rules were used in the Convention though.
And if you wish to test a boardgame with a lot of Zulu! sensations check this game: http://victorypointgames.com/details.php?prodId=59
There's a set of rules in a relatively recent issue of WSS magazine (sometime in the last year) that used a variant of Space Hulk for Rorkes Drift. Not as stupid as it sounds - small number of elite shooty troops taking on countless hordes of ferocious pointy-stick troops
I had an enjoyable zulu war game at Smoggycon last year which used the DBA colonial variant (which are free on the web somewhere) which also worked rather well
Quote from: goat major on 24 October 2012, 07:42:24 AM
There's a set of rules in a relatively recent issue of WSS magazine (sometime in the last year) that used a variant of Space Hulk for Rorkes Drift. Not as stupid as it sounds - small number of elite shooty troops taking on countless hordes of ferocious pointy-stick troops
Now that sounds like a great idea...hmm...
Hello folks. My name is Alan Rudd (adr) I work for Leon casting the good range of Pendraken figs !!!! you may of seen the pics of my own game version of Rorkes Drift at Dave's birthday Bash. I was under the name of "HokaHeyWargaming". I have attended many shows doing Public display games - Rorkes Drift, Little Big Horn, Squad skirmish WWII all in 10mm and true ground scale !!! I spoke to Leon after the birthday bash with a view of producing my RD building model ( and the Enlarged open plan hospital) for sale via Pendraken together with an Army pack of figs and my own rule set ( 2 pages - quick and fun). The Zulu figures are superb as one would expect and I and Leon would be interested in your feed back. The model I made was to true 10mm ground scale - 1cm equals 6 feet. the gaming area I use is 4ft by 4ft representing 150 yds approx. I have about 250-300 Zulus and 120 brits.
The true ground scale gives you that realistic feel as the Zulu's charge !!! At one hundred yards volley Fire !!!!
Quote from: adr on 24 October 2012, 08:27:48 PM
I spoke to Leon after the birthday bash with a view of producing my RD building model ( and the Enlarged open plan hospital) for sale via Pendraken together with an Army pack of figs and my own rule set ( 2 pages - quick and fun). The Zulu figures are superb as one would expect and I and Leon would be interested in your feed back. The model I made was to true 10mm ground scale - 1cm equals 6 feet. the gaming area I use is 4ft by 4ft representing 150 yds approx. I have about 250-300 Zulus and 120 brits.
The true ground scale gives you that realistic feel as the Zulu's charge !!! At one hundred yards volley Fire !!!!
Hi Alan - great to see you on the forum...this sounds great to me & I'd
definitely buy this as a set if it gets made; the Zulu conflict was my first 'proper' foray into wargaming of my own accord, aged 10 or so - and I've been meaning to revisit it for years :)
Sounds cool. Will it be ready for Christmas?? :P
The Warlord 28mm set looks great (but is the wrong scale) I think a ready made game pack would be a great thing - if you can price it around the £30 to £40 mark then it would be a great thing to ask for as a pressie.
Quote from: fred 12df on 24 October 2012, 09:08:02 PM
Sounds cool. Will it be ready for Christmas?? :P
Can't commit myself to that I'm afraid, there's a whole lot on the schedule between now and then!
:P
coooool! Meanwhile we ordered already our brits and zulus. :D
Quote from: fred 12df on 24 October 2012, 09:08:02 PM
The Warlord 28mm set looks great (but is the wrong scale) I think a ready made game pack would be a great thing - if you can price it around the £30 to £40 mark then it would be a great thing to ask for as a pressie.
I reckon if you're looking at those buildings in resin, plus an army pack, plus some rules, you're going to be looking at a bit more than £40...I could be wrong though :)
Quote from: nikharwood on 24 October 2012, 09:22:12 PM
I reckon if you're looking at those buildings in resin, plus an army pack, plus some rules, you're going to be looking at a bit more than £40...I could be wrong though :)
Old Glory are knocking theirs out at £35, so we'd be somewhere similar depending on what me and adr sort out.
8)
Quote from: Leon on 24 October 2012, 09:27:01 PM
Old Glory are knocking theirs out at £35, so we'd be somewhere similar depending on what me and adr sort out.
8)
Yeah - but theirs doesn't include any figures, does it?
If you can do the army packs & buildings for £35, put me down for 10 mate ;) :d
I like the idea, thinking of dipping a toe or two into this period and this would be a great way to start
Quote from: nikharwood on 24 October 2012, 09:58:54 PM
Yeah - but theirs doesn't include any figures, does it?
It doesn't? That's quite pricey then... :-\
Quote from: Leon on 24 October 2012, 10:21:23 PM
It doesn't? That's quite pricey then... :-\
Probably the import duties?
I think the starter set for a bare bones intro into a new period is a great idea, gets my vote.
In fact in the OG 10mm set there is no mealie bag walls or external barricades... Only the final redoubt which seems to be the mealie bags.
The important thing here is to have a compound playable from outside and inside the buildings at least for having the option to allocate 3-4 minis per room. I Liked a lot the idea to have an external compound for internal fightings. But it should have: Doors (Open, broken), Windows and breakable walls.
In my project I will base the figs depending on the type of units needed on the rulesets I have attached above. I will wait for the ruleset from Alan to see wether is still valid the basing or not.
Brits:
- Individual bases. 1cmx1cm square base.
Zulus:
I have planned 3 types of basing for them:
- Prince: 1cmx1cm square base.
- Induna (Leaders): 1cmx1cm square base. These are going to be attached to each Iviyo.
- Iviyo: Bulk of warriors. With 4 types of bases:
1 Iviyo formed by: 15 warriors
- 2x 3,5cmx3,5cm: 5 warriors each. Fixed mounted warriors on the base. No removable option.
- 1x 3,5cmx1,5cm: 3 warriors fixed mounted.
- 1x 3,5cmx1,5cm: 2 warriors fixed mounted.
This way I can configure an Iviyo with 15 warriors in a large square are of 7cmx5cm. Hence when there are casualties I can remove stands depending on the number of hits (2,3,5).
Additionally I will have another lot of 30 warriors individually based for: Entering melees in interior buildings, roof placements, move interior rooms, Representing Firing elements or just to adjust figs in an Iviyo when necessary.
In terms of Brits I would go for around 45-50 soldiers and personalities.
What do you think?
The thing I'm a little uncomfortable with is that all this planning indicates that only one heroic but unimportant action seems to be capturing people's imagination. Rorke's Drift deserves to be remembered with great respect, but basing one's armies so as to preclude the major actions like Ishlandwana or Ulundi threatens to leave gamers stranded with a set that they use once every two years after the honeymoon is over, doesn't it? And the Zulu wars lend themselves to campaigning very well too, so it shouldn't be only actual historical engagments that gamers consider.
Of course, if real fanatics are planning to do big battles with figures on individual stands, I can only salute your devotion to the hobby, and hope you have several uninterupted days to fight in, gentlemen.
Quote from: FierceKitty on 25 October 2012, 11:17:03 AM
it shouldn't be only actual historical engagments that gamers consider
In other words, you can expand the Rorke's Drift set with the Dungeon set, and continue underground! Good idea! :D
(And who knows, if you keep tunneling long enough, you may end up in Meso-America).
You caught me!... I had planned to escape from the massacre digging a tunnel from the Redoubt!. The tunnel was the Dungeon Set! ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: OldenBUA on 25 October 2012, 01:26:11 PM
In other words, you can expand the Rorke's Drift set with the Dungeon set, and continue underground! Good idea! :D
(And who knows, if you keep tunneling long enough, you may end up in Meso-America).
Dangerous in South Africa. If you hit gold, Lord Chelmsford's fillibustering ambitions will be just the start, take it from me!
Quote from: FierceKitty on 25 October 2012, 11:17:03 AM
The thing I'm a little uncomfortable with is that all this planning indicates that only one heroic but unimportant action seems to be capturing people's imagination. Rorke's Drift deserves to be remembered with great respect, but basing one's armies so as to preclude the major actions like Ishlandwana or Ulundi threatens to leave gamers stranded with a set that they use once every two years after the honeymoon is over, doesn't it? And the Zulu wars lend themselves to campaigning very well too, so it shouldn't be only actual historical engagments that gamers consider.
Hear, hear. Rourkes Drift was feted and talked-up at the time simply to take the public's mind off the disaster at Ishlandwana. If Chelmsford had won at the latter battle would we still remember Rourke's Drift?
BIG IF and if he had won would it have happenedtat all? ;)
Probably not, as the Zulus would have had their hands full. However, I agree that Chelmsford and his cohorts managed to make things as difficult as possible for themselves.
They contributed a fair amount of misery to the future of my unhappy country too. There are other men from our history I'd particularly like to kick in the honeymoon department, but Chelmsford is definitely on the list. After Rhodes and Mandela, however.
That's an interesting list, FK. I'm surprised at the inclusion of Mandela, though. I thought, from our distant perspective, that he was well on the way to beatification. :-\
Don't get me started on the list of promises made and not kept, double standards, and sheer smug incompetence (which isn't really a plural, so I beg forgiveness for a rupture in structure).
Let's just say the world has a guilty conscience about SA and wants to believe in the great redeemer. Though why we can't make a hero of someone like Desmond Tutu, who's worth twenty Mandelas....
Quote from: nikharwood on 24 October 2012, 08:34:58 PM
Hi Alan - great to see you on the forum...this sounds great to me & I'd definitely buy this as a set if it gets made; the Zulu conflict was my first 'proper' foray into wargaming of my own accord, aged 10 or so - and I've been meaning to revisit it for years :)
Would love to see this in production and would defiantly be buying have already started on building my zulu war british army
Hi guys, sorry for delay replying since my initial message in October re Rorkes Drift Buildings.
Like your comments folks
We've been busy at Pendraken HQ castings and 4 shows in a row !! last being Pudsey.
I have finally made a fully painted MDF model for the Rorkes Drift buildings and also the enlarged Hospital model. ( together with bunk beds!!)
I will post some pics on the site and see what you all think. If you have the whole set then I am looking at £38 plus some postage? will split set if wanted.
You can check out my website for now - http://www.hokaheywargaming.co.uk look at sales tab.
I will speak to Leon regarding the Zulu army pack configuration tomorrow at work.
Cheers folks -regards Alan
Quote from: adr on 02 December 2012, 09:27:53 PM
Hi guys, sorry for delay replying since my initial message in October re Rorkes Drift Buildings.
Like your comments folks
We've been busy at Pendraken HQ castings and 4 shows in a row !! last being Pudsey.
I have finally made a fully painted MDF model for the Rorkes Drift buildings and also the enlarged Hospital model. ( together with bunk beds!!)
I will post some pics on the site and see what you all think. If you have the whole set then I am looking at £38 plus some postage? will split set if wanted.
You can check out my website for now - http://www.hokaheywargaming.co.uk look at sales tab.
I will speak to Leon regarding the Zulu army pack configuration tomorrow at work.
Cheers folks -regards Alan
Hi Alan,
I'm interested in just the hospital for non Rorke's Drift reasons: looks like it might make a nice fantasy inn, manor house or similar! What are its rough dimensions please, and how much will it cost on its own?
Cheers,
Meirion
I missed this before - I think you should give it its own topic with pictures etc
Having looked at the linked pictures, I'm not certain what you are selling. Is it a flat pack large MDF hospital, is this laser cut with joints to fit together, does it need gluing?
The whole RD base, is this the buildings, or the sand bags as well? Again what are these made of?
Quote from: FierceKitty on 28 October 2012, 01:38:17 AM
They contributed a fair amount of misery to the future of my unhappy country too. There are other men from our history I'd particularly like to kick in the honeymoon department, but Chelmsford is definitely on the list. After Rhodes and Mandela, however.
Yes, we have conveniently forgotten that he was co-founder of the armed wing of the ANC, and as such as much a terrorist as members of other organisations, ( take your pick here - IRA Baeder Nmeinhof , Taliban/ Al quaeda) The only difference between the two is if you believe in what they are fighting for.
One mans terorist is the next ones freedom fighter.
I find my view of him most influenced by the way he refused to meet the Dalai Lama because he was afraid of offending the Chinese we were trading with, after decades of calling on the rest of the world to do everything for SA, which never experienced a fraction of what the Tibetans have been exposed to (well, had, not have, given that there are virtually no Tibetans left by now).
Shall we mention his friendship with Gadaffi? His description of Wouter Basson (employed in apartheid years to research toxins that would affect blacks but not whites) as a "national asset"? His promise to halve his own salary on becoming president (= 15% pay rise and freeze teachers' and nurses' salaries)? The pledging of two years of the GNP to buy a fleet we didn't need? The denial that AIDS was a disease at all (it's just malnutrition, apparently)? The insistence on being friends with dictatorships across the world? The ANC torture camps? The merging of the ANC with the National Party, which had been responsible for apartheid in the first place?
I'm no defender of the old days, but I'm hard put to it to see any improvement in my dear country. Only changes are that life expectancy has dropped by fifteen years and a minority is now subject to racist discrimination.
OK, we legalised gay marriage and abolished capital punishment. I wonder if the great and good Madiba had any hand in those...?
Hmm this has got me interested- watching Zulu with my 2 obsessed Uncles every Christmas from the age of 6 (1 now sadly deprated) means that this always captures the imagination. I did consider doing it at 28mm using Black Powder and bought myself the character figures from Empress Minis of the film cast, but doing ahuge battle would be costly, so 10mm looks much more tempting. I foresee a new project shaping itself in my mind.
Zulu.
Historically inaccurate in almost evey way, yet still and absolute corker of a movie!
Doing it as a battle?
I think its best done as a skirmish/tactical game really since the point of decision is so small, and if you cram 4000 Zulus on the board 3900 of 'em at any one time will be pretty much bystanders!
It'd make a cracking display in 10mm though. :D
I'd love to see a remake of Zulu, done properly and sticking to the historical reality. I always find the reality of these things far more thrilling than Hollywood. Although perhaps not in this case... ;D
'Front raaank! FIRE!!!'
After receiving my order of Brits and Zulus I started to build the compound myself as I wanted to create the compound playable with the right dimensions to keep proportions of the building and exterior bag walls.
Another thing to consider is the basing for the minis. I wanted to use a ruleset that recreates the conflict in a tactical way so I decided to base brits in bases for 1 figure and zulus a mix to be able to split the Iviyos as they take casualties and some individuals to manage when they climb the roofs, fighting within the rooms and Close combat when within the complex.
I created 10 indunas of 15 figs each and around 30 figs individually based. Each Iviyo will have an induna as leader. Indunas will take effect in morale as per the rules selected.
The compound is made from scratch and I have to say it is reall
Now on my to-do list is basing the whole bunch of figs applying sand to the bases... and play my first defense! :D
Pics of the Rorke's compound: (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8072/8265067374_13de2bd267.jpg)
Hospital Exterior: (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8222/8263990255_78e363432a.jpg)
Hospital Interior: (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8062/8263984245_af62f5bd08.jpg)
Warehouse Exterior: (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8342/8263993381_fa6ffe7b7a.jpg)
Warehouse interior: (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8223/8265057026_aac749ca4a.jpg)
Sarge they are coming!: (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8360/8265048696_e803487de4.jpg)
Defending the cart: (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8065/8265055346_21551973d1.jpg)
Keep calm while aiming!
Superb! Really cool ! :D 8)
VERY tasty !
Cheers - Phil.
Excellent. Should be fun to play. 8)
I like this!
Thanks!
I have the project finished. I will upload new pics as soon as I can command the zulus to assault the Rorke again!... ;D
As promised you can find below the rorke's drift battle in 10mm. I hope you like it!
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8247/8594405135_bd1ac89e5c.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8505/8595509366_7541a11426.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8106/8595509344_bab37e6be3.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8510/8595509436_138a7ff14f.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8382/8595509402_d9fd741fc2.jpg)
Very nice indeed, i did this a year or so ago in 6mm, looks better in 10 though,
kev
Fantastic!
My hat goes of to you!
<)
Cool stuff!
Looks good and a nice compact table :).
Nice game. The buildings really make it. 8)
Yep - that looks lovely 8)
Great stuff !!
Cheers - Phil.
Thank you!!!! :-[
I just spoke to a buddy about the movie, he'd never heard of it, but he knows a ton about the event.
Anyway, this is a good starting point for my own set! Thank you!!
I'll just leave this here:
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/8c/d8/18/8cd8185a446223031bbeed1092241382--space-marine-warhammer-k.jpg)
That I like ;D
If you fancy making the buildings, I reckon here (http://www.matakishi.net/rorkes-drift.html) is a good place to start.
Divide all the measurements by 40% you'll have something fit for 10mm.
Matakishi's site is a wonderful resource and inspiration to me. I'm currently making a bunch of buildings based on his Afghan/generic modern plans (although in 10mm I use card from cereal boxes rather than cork tiles).
Cheers, M.
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Quote from: Raider4 on 06 October 2017, 08:03:26 PM
If you fancy making the buildings, I reckon here (http://www.matakishi.net/rorkes-drift.html) is a good place to start.
Divide all the measurements by 40% you'll have something fit for 10mm.
Matakishi's site is a wonderful resource and inspiration to me. I'm currently making a bunch of buildings based on his Afghan/generic modern plans (although in 10mm I use card from cereal boxes rather than cork tiles).
Cheers, M.
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Thats incredible info, Ive been wimp footing around 10mm building scale. Thank you!
Great looking game cranko!
ErHo, you could aways try
(https://imgv2-1-f.scribdassets.com/img/document/209587650/original/64d24e24fd/1507098087)
Great set of scenarios
Some of the McDeath buildings occasionally grade my table even now :)
Good stuff!