We've just finalised these, so thought everyone might be interested to see them! We've tried to include as many of the requests as possible, let us know if you think there are any glaring omissions!
NEW ACW RANGE
Infantry
UNION
Marching x4
Firing x4
Standing x4
Foot Command x2 sets
CONFEDERATE
Marching x4
Firing x4
Standing x4
Foot Command x2 sets
NOTES â€" We'll be sending these figures back, so that each one can be tweaked slightly, to give us another 12 poses. I.e. backpacks, blanket rolls added, etc. That’ll give us 24 individual foot types for each side.
Iron Brigade
Marching x4
Command x3
Zouaves
In fez x4
In turban x4
In kepi x4
In strawboater x4
Berdan’s Sharpshooters
Skirmish poses x4
Command x3
Line in greatcoat
In kepi x2
In slouch hat x2
Generic command x3
Cavalry
UNION
With carbine/saber x2
Command x3
CONFEDERATE
With carbine/saber/shotgun x3
Command x3
Raiders x3
Dismounted Cavalry
In kepi x2
In slouch hat x2
Dismounted Raiders x4
Horse holders
Union x1
Confed x1
Standing horse x1
NOTES â€" We'll probably keep using the current standing horse!
Staff
Mounted Staff Officers x2
Generals
Union x2 (Grant, Sherman?)
Confed x2 (Lee, Stuart?)
Casualties
Union x2
Confed x2
Cav x2
Stretcher bearers x2 in kepi
Artillery
12lb Napoleon
10lb Parrot
3†Ordnance
12lb Whitworth
12lb Howitzer?
20lb Parrot
Siege Mortar and crew
Crews
Union x1
Confed x1
NOTES â€" Little tweaks or individual poses will be used in the crews to make each guns crew slightly different hopefully.
Limbers
Mounted Out-riders
Union x1
Confed x1
Riders/team
Union x1
Confed x1
Caissons x1
Misc
Civilians x?
NOTES - Several everyday types, non-military folk who can be used to just stand around in towns, or generally hang around on the battlefield!
Wagons â€" Covered and uncovered, separate canvas top. Typical ‘Wild West’ gold rush style!
Ambulance x1
:-bd
Gatling Guns??????????
I know they werent that common but they were used.
Gordon
If you do Gatlings would the Aurger - coffee mill as well.
IanS
Looking good :D
Quote from: GordonY on 07 December 2011, 06:06:26 PM
Gatling Guns?
That could be easliy done, we've got the gun in the Zulu range already, so we'd only need the crews. We'll probably hold on to that idea until the crews are all done, then we can see if the poses that have been done will suffice.
I wasn't planning on 10mm ACW but this is a mouth-watering list. I'll have to try and keep some of the Christmas bonus to one side for this ;)
Looks like a good list. How long until the current range is discontinued?
Quote from: Blaker on 08 December 2011, 05:31:31 AM
Looks like a good list. How long until the current range is discontinued?
We won't be discontinuing the current range, the new one will be a separate set of codes, so the two will happily coexist in the catalogue. There's too many people who've bought into the current range to just pull it completely.
How compatible will the new range be with the old. Will you be able to mix figures in the same unit or is there too much difference between them? Would it be possible to see a side by side pic of a pair of figures as an example?
Nice list - those civvies will definitely be useful too for all kinds of things...
QuoteNOTES â€" We'll probably keep using the current standing horse!
Thats OK, but please don't use "jumping" horses for mounted figures. And do compatible commands - to the trotting / galloping troopers please add similar posed commands.
QuoteWe won't be discontinuing the current range
:-bd
QuoteHow compatible will the new range be with the old ?
Good question. Very good question.
This list looks excelllent - I'm now looking forward to Easter time more than Christmas!
And a big thanks to Pendraken for the way you've considered the ACW requests on the forum. Not all companies are as attentative to their customers requests.
Regards, Dave T.
For once a good list of Zouaves, saves having to buy from other sources to make up the different uniforms.
This will now be added to my todo list for 2012.
I have a quibble about the ACW personalities. Grant and Sherman fought most of the war in the Western theatre; Lee and Stuart were in the Eastern theatre. It would be nice to have some other Union Eastern theatre commanders and some other Confederate Western theatre commanders. Also, before 1864 most flags in the West were quite different to the ANV battleflag, and even after 1863 the Western southern cross tended to be oblong with no border whilst the Eastern southern cross was more square with a white border.
Quote from: Dour Puritan on 15 December 2011, 07:44:58 PM
I have a quibble about the ACW personalities. Grant and Sherman fought most of the war in the Western theatre; Lee and Stuart were in the Eastern theatre. It would be nice to have some other Union Eastern theatre commanders and some other Confederate Western theatre commanders.
The ones listed are still question marked, so we can change those if people would prefer others. I don't know how many we'll do altogether though, as it's very easy to get carried away and request loads when most people only want 'X' and 'Y'.
Quote from: Dour Puritan on 15 December 2011, 07:44:58 PM
Also, before 1864 most flags in the West were quite different to the ANV battleflag, and even after 1863 the Western southern cross tended to be oblong with no border whilst the Eastern southern cross was more square with a white border.
I'll have a good look at the flags then as we get closer to the release dates, any handy flag links would be good?
Honestly if that’s all the personalities that you’re going to cover I would be much happier if you just did a bunch of generic commanders. You can never have too many commanders and I think you would sell packs more that way. What does everyone else think?
-Bryan
Quoteany handy flag links
You can go to my blog. In the right hand column, ypu can find "ACW - linki / links".
Below, there is a list of all sites in the web, showing original ACW flags.
QuoteHonestly if that’s all the personalities that you’re going to cover I would be much happier if you just did a bunch of generic commanders.
I second this !
Wow, this is great news! I am glad to see the range expanded but also happy that you are keeping the old range as well. The old range infantry is very good. I also liked the variety of the command groups.
My one request is to take care with the scale proportions between the artillery guns and crew. Too often in 10mm, the artillery guns and carriages are way too small compared to the crewmen. IIRC, the wheels of the standard artillery carriage was right at 5 feet 7 inches tall. Again IIRC, most of the artillery (6, 12, 10pdrs) used the same artillery carriage. The top of the wheels would be as tall as many of the crewmen.
If we were to do 4 General's for each side, which would people prefer? (Union - 2 east/2 west and Confed - 2 east/2 west?)
Quote from: Jagger on 24 December 2011, 05:16:36 PM
My one request is to take care with the scale proportions between the artillery guns and crew. Too often in 10mm, the artillery guns and carriages are way too small compared to the crewmen. IIRC, the wheels of the standard artillery carriage was right at 5 feet 7 inches tall. Again IIRC, most of the artillery (6, 12, 10pdrs) used the same artillery carriage. The top of the wheels would be as tall as many of the crewmen.
I'll have to check on this, as I think the carriage in the FPW range is the same, so we'll just be doing new barrels for some of the guns.
So far, Langton Miniatures ang GHQ do the best 10mm acw guns, cosidering size.
Look at the proportions at my blog:
http://zealandbayonets.blogspot.com/2011/08/artyleria-konfederacji.html
It would be nice to get the same size guns from Pendraken.
QuoteSo far, Langton Miniatures ang GHQ do the best 10mm acw guns, cosidering size.
Look at the proportions at my blog:
http://zealandbayonets.blogspot.com/2011/08/artyleria-konfederacji.html
It would be nice to get the same size guns from Pendraken.
Nice photos and definitely better scaled than most 10mm Artillery/crewmen. But if you notice, the crewmens chins are at the same height as the top of the gun wheels. So the chin height matches the heigth of the wheels at 5'7" and then you add approximately 10" for the height of the head, those crewmen have to be at least 6'5" tall. They would make an impressibly tall basketball team even today. Or the crewmen are average heights and the guns are scaled too small to the crewmen. :-\
If I remember correctly, the average height during the ACW was somewhere around 5'10". So basically, the top of the head of the "average" crewmen would only be about 3 inches taller than the top of the wheel of the common artillery carriage.
Still an opportunity to be the one company that realistically scales their 10mm artillery to the crewmen... :)
The 5'7" height is off the top of my head. I know I looked up the information and found reputable information on the internet about a year ago. The 5'7" sticks in my mind. I am trying to relocate the site tonight but if may take a couple searches to find it.
If anyone lives near a ACW national park battlefield, you can probably go out an measure the wheel height. Anyone near Gettysburg? I know they had quite a few guns scattered about.
No luck finding the original site yet but I have found a couple of non-specific references which are using 57 inches for wheel height rather than 5'7". If so, then the wheel height of 57" would be a height of 4'9". If correct, then the photos linked to by Maciek would be about right. I have also looked at a couple of ACW photos and drawings and I suspect the 4'9" or 57 inches is probably correct. I will keep looking to see if I can find something more concrete to the 6,12 and 10 pounders.
http://www.civilwarcannons.com/
http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/archive/index.php/t-8752.html
Here is a nice photo but not sure of the specific gun...the barrel looks small.' All the crewmen are taller than the wheel height.
http://www.civilwarartillery.com/
At the moment, it seems my memory converted 57 inches into 5'7"...weird how that happens more and more the older you get. ~X(
Ok, looks like it is pretty concrete that the height was 57". So Maciek's link gives a pretty good idea of the scale of artillery to crew proportion. Here is a link, information about half way down; http://www.civilwarartillery.com/books/RobertsHandBookofArtillery.htm#P12ArtCarMach
From "The Hand-book of Artillery, for the Service of the United States, Army and Militia. With the Manual of Heavy Artillery, Including that of the New Iron Carriage"
By Joseph Robert, Major, 4TH Regt. Art., U.S.A., and Colonel ed Penn. Art.
Fifth Edition, Revised and Greatly Enlarged. New York: D. Van Nostrand, 192 Broadway, 1863.
How many kinds of wheels are employed for field carriages?
Two: No. 1 for the 6-pdr. gun-carriage, the Caisson, the forge, the battery-wagon, and for the limbers of all field carriages. No.2 for the 24 and 32-pdr. Howitzer and the 12-pdr. Gun-carriages.
In what respects are these wheels similar ?
They are of the same form and height, and they fit on the same axle-tree arm. The height is 57 inches, and each wheel is composed of 14 spokes and 7 fellies.
How do they differ?
In the dimensions of their parts, and in strength and weight.
What is the weight of these?
No. 1, 180 lbs.; No. 2, 196 lbs.
Quote... the photos linked to by Maciek would be about right.
QuoteSo Maciek's link gives a pretty good idea of the scale of artillery to crew proportion.
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Having crewed one at one time the wheels are big and the sound is bigger :D :D :D
oh and you want to feel the concussion wave when you are advancing towards one of the buggers, :-SS :-SS :-SS
You're going to need to provide 6pdrs for the early years of the war, especially in the western theatre as an awful lot were used in the first two years, whereas gatling guns etc hardly saw the light of day. I'm not saying don't do gatlings, but rather the 6pdr is a much higher priority for a complete range.
There were a lot of 6 pdrs at Shiloh. I would imagine the same at Bull Run, Peninsula and Antietam.
I'll make a note on the 6pdrs, and we'll see what we can get done when it comes round to the artillery.
Quick query folks, which extra Generals would be preferred? The designer has just done the 4 originally listed, so we want to add another 4.
:-\
We'll have some Mounted Staff Officers, and can also look at doing some Generic General-y types if needed.
For the South, Longstreet and Jackson. For the North, Burnside and Hooker or possibly Meade and Reynolds.
For the South Longstreet and Joe Johnston, for the North Little Mac and Burnside.
Mollinary
Jackson & Sherman
I'd also like McDowell, Beauregard and Johnston, but thats due to a pet project at the moment.
Thanks for the suggestions, I'll have a chat with the designer and see which we'll do.
8)
Right then, this is the current list we're working from, the question now is how many can we squeeze into the July releases?!
ACW1 Union foot, advancing, type 1 £3.50
ACW2 Union foot, advancing, type 2 £3.50
ACW3 Union foot, firing, type 1 £3.50
ACW4 Union foot, firing, type 2 £3.50
ACW5 Union foot, marching, type 1 £3.50
ACW6 Union foot, marching, type 2 £3.50
ACW7 Confederate foot, advancing, type 1 £3.50
ACW8 Confederate foot, advancing, type 2 £3.50
ACW9 Confederate foot, firing, type 1 £3.50
ACW10 Confederate foot, firing, type 2 £3.50
ACW11 Confederate foot, marching, type 1 £3.50
ACW12 Confederate foot, marching, type 2 £3.50
ACW13 Union foot command, standing (15) £1.80
ACW14 Union foot command, advancing (15) £1.80
ACW15 Confederate foot command, standing (15) £1.80
ACW16 Confederate foot command, advancing (15) £1.80
ACW17 Zouaves in fez, standing/firing £3.50
ACW18 Zouaves in fez, advancing/attacking £3.50
ACW19 Zouaves in kepi, standing/firing £3.50
ACW20 Zouaves in kepi, advancing/attacking £3.50
ACW21 Zouaves in turban £3.50
ACW22 Zouaves in strawboater £3.50
ACW23 Iron Brigade, inc. command £3.50
ACW24 Berdan’s Sharpshooters, inc. command £3.50
ACW25 Greatcoat in kepi, inc. command £3.50
ACW26 Greatcoat in slouch hat, inc. command £3.50
ACW27 Union cavalry, inc. command £3.50
ACW28 Confederate cavalry, inc. command £3.50
ACW29 Dismounted cavalry in kepi (15) £1.80
ACW30 Dismounted cavalry in slouch hat (15) £1.80
ACW31 Mounted Raiders £3.50
ACW32 Dismounted Raiders (15) £1.80
ACW33 Union horse holders (10) £1.20
ACW34 Confederate horse holders (10) £1.20
ACW35 Standing horses (10) £2.40
ACW36 Mounted Staff Officers (5) £1.20
ACW37 General Grant £0.60
ACW38 General Sherman £0.60
ACW39 General £0.60
ACW40 General £0.60
ACW41 General Lee £0.60
ACW42 General Stuart £0.60
ACW43 General £0.60
ACW44 General £0.60
ACW45 Union casualties (10) £1.20
ACW46 Confederate casualties (10) £1.20
ACW47 Union cavalry casualties (5) £1.20
ACW48 Confederate cavalry casualties (5) £1.20
ACW49 Stretcher bearers (5) £1.20
ACW50 12lb Napoleon gun
ACW51 10lb Parrot gun
ACW52 3†Ordnance gun
ACW53 12lb Whitworth gun
ACW54 12lb Howitzer
ACW55 20lb Parrot
ACW56 Union artillery crew, aiming
ACW57 Union artillery crew, firing
ACW58 Confederate artillery crew, aiming
ACW59 Confederate artillery crew, firing
Hopefully I've not missed anything out...!
:-bd
Holy Howitzers, Batman!
Is that all?
Mollinary :o :o :o
Yep...looking good <)
Just dipping your toes into the water - Not! :D
Wow, what a great selection. I know what I'm doing when I wake up tomorrow morning.
Cheers
Duane
Remember that not all of those will be released tomorrow! :o
We'll have around 20 codes I think, then another 20 or so will follow on in the August releases, and another 20 in September. Or so I'm thinking at the moment... :D
Yea that’s a long list. What are the chances that we will see the Iron Brigade tomorrow? I need them to do the cornfield at Antietam in early September.
Zouaves in Turban! Just right for Tirailleurs Algerian 1859.
Chad
:) :)
Quote from: general_btsherman on 30 June 2012, 02:34:00 PM
Yea that’s a long list. What are the chances that we will see the Iron Brigade tomorrow? I need them to do the cornfield at Antietam in early September.
I'll try and squeeze them in for you. Those and the Sharpshooter's were going to be delayed as we've had the drums replaced (from some feedback previously), but they arrived this week and have been master moulded.
Just while I'm thinking on it, the Sharpshooter's definitely won't be in this first batch, as we've asked the designer to do us a firing pose for them, so we're waiting on that.
Don't forget native American troops for some of the far western battles, particularly Elkhorn Tavern.
Quote from: Dour Puritan on 30 June 2012, 04:07:12 PM
Don't forget native American troops for some of the far western battles, particularly Elkhorn Tavern.
Once we get the main ACW range done, we're going to shoot off and replace the Plains War range, so that should fill that request.
Hey Bryan, do you have another show in September? Sure wish I could get you to come out to Recruits here in Kansas City. www.Recruits-con.com (http://www.Recruits-con.com). This is a show my wife and I put on twice a year. LOL
Come to think of it, I'm planning to put on aleast one "First Day of Gettysburg" scenarios at Fall Recruits in September.
So with luck these will be ready to go tomorrow or at the very latest early August.
ACW27 Union cavalry, inc. command
ACW29 Dismounted cavalry in kepi
ACW33 Union horse holders
I'm not sure how many to put on a stand yet but I think I need 20+ stands. But there sure are a lot of choices in that list as well. Besides these dismounted Yanks need a target. ;)
thanks
Duane
Quote from: Chad on 30 June 2012, 02:41:02 PM
Zouaves in Turban! Just right for Tirailleurs Algerian 1859.
Chad
:) :)
Great call Chad! 8)
Quote from: Syr Hobbs on 30 June 2012, 05:05:52 PM
Hey Bryan, do you have another show in September? Sure wish I could get you to come out to Recruits here in Kansas City. www.Recruits-con.com (http://www.Recruits-con.com). This is a show my wife and I put on twice a year. LOL
Come to think of it, I'm planning to put on aleast one "First Day of Gettysburg" scenarios at Fall Recruits in September.
So with luck these will be ready to go tomorrow or at the very latest early August.
ACW27 Union cavalry, inc. command
ACW29 Dismounted cavalry in kepi
ACW33 Union horse holders
I'm not sure how many to put on a stand yet but I think I need 20+ stands. But there sure are a lot of choices in that list as well. Besides these dismounted Yanks need a target. ;)
thanks
Duane
Duane,
My current plan is to run the cornfield game three times. 1) with the local guys, 2) at the Council of Five Nation convention in Schenectady, NY, 3) and at Fall-In. I might also do the sunken road if I have time to get it together. Your convention looks like a lot of fun. If you were 8 hours nearer I would consider it. I drove through KC a few years ago coming back from Pea Ridge and Wilsons Creek and I must say it was a very long drive home. Are you doing Gettysburg in brigade or regimental scale? Next year I’m planning on doing a big second day game in regimental. I will probably do some of the first day as well.
It looks like you'll have your hands full. I'm just glad you like to take pictures. :)
I'm looking at Regimental (I think) and I also like how you base your figures, using 1" x 1/2" bases? This seems to work well when deploying skirmishers etc. So based on this width are we talking three figures to a stand? (I'm asking because I'm metally putting my order together as I type)
There are two scenarios that I've found, an early morning engagement and another that is mid-afternoon. The Unions forces are almost identical.
My wife and I visited Pea Ridge last Summer and will be heading down to Wilson's Creek around the 14th of this month. We also stopped in on Lexington, MO about a month ago. But yea New York is a long, long ways away.
Duane
Just looking at the new ACW ranges, have to say I think this some of the nicest stuff you have ever done..Although I dont really have an interest in ACW they do tempt me
Quote from: Fenton on 01 July 2012, 09:26:26 AM
Just looking at the new ACW ranges, have to say I think this some of the nicest stuff you have ever done..Although I dont really have an interest in ACW they do tempt me
8)
Quote from: Syr Hobbs on 01 July 2012, 02:46:23 AM
It looks like you'll have your hands full. I'm just glad you like to take pictures. :)
I'm looking at Regimental (I think) and I also like how you base your figures, using 1" x 1/2" bases? This seems to work well when deploying skirmishers etc. So based on this width are we talking three figures to a stand? (I'm asking because I'm metally putting my order together as I type)
There are two scenarios that I've found, an early morning engagement and another that is mid-afternoon. The Unions forces are almost identical.
My wife and I visited Pea Ridge last Summer and will be heading down to Wilson's Creek around the 14th of this month. We also stopped in on Lexington, MO about a month ago. But yea New York is a long, long ways away.
Duane
Duane,
I originally based my figures for regimental F&F. That was 1â€X1/2†with four figures on a base. I then switched to a different set of rules called Rally Round the Flag. I have since modified these rules almost beyond recognition. For these rules, I put together two of my bases and call them one base. That is 1†X 1†with 8 figures. For cavalry I use 1†X ¾†bases with 6 figures. One base of figures is equal to about 80 to 100 men.