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Strangely we were looking at this photo at work the other week.
Drunk in charge of a bicycle yer honour! Hic!
Think you can be charged with being drunk in charge of a horse too !
Cheers - Phil.
Here's one for sale, costs a lot less than the Batmobile! Don't know if the bartender is included, though.
http://gratis-zoekertjes.onlinertjes.be/d-308/265577/bierfiets.html
A page with some extra links (not all working): http://fietsliefhebber.tripod.com/id20.html
Quote from: mad lemmey on 04 September 2011, 10:05:42 PM
Drunk in charge of a bicycle yer honour! Hic!
Quote from: Techno on 05 September 2011, 07:23:24 AM
Think you can be charged with being drunk in charge of a horse too !
Cheers - Phil.
Yes in both cases under the Road Traffic Act Con and Use Regulations.
Even used to know someone who was, but he was weaving his bicycle across a 4 lane road.
IanS
Quote from: mad lemmey on 04 September 2011, 10:05:42 PM
Drunk in charge of a bicycle yer honour! Hic!
Yes, but who actually is in charge of that vehicle? I can't see anyone steering the thing. Or is it just parked for the duration? In which case, what's the point? ;)
Quote from: Hertsblue on 05 September 2011, 05:55:21 PM
Yes, but who actually is in charge of that vehicle? I can't see anyone steering the thing. Or is it just parked for the duration? In which case, what's the point? ;)
Typical setup would be a 15 person capacity, where 8 pedal away, 1 steers, 1 operates the beer pump and 5 others can just sit and enjoy the ride. Since these are often rented out, it's possible that the company provides the (non drinking) barman and steersman. Mostly it's up to the people renting the thing though, and there have been some accidents, leading to a lot of discussion, and a (temporary?) ban as well.
Quote from: ianrs54 on 05 September 2011, 08:33:20 AM
Yes in both cases under the Road Traffic Act Con and Use Regulations.
Nope - horse [& cattle for that matter] is covered by s12 of the Licensing Act 1872: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict/35-36/94/section/12
Recent caselaw demonstrates the non-specificity of the offence though - cf Godfrey Blacklin 2009: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tyne/7861406.stm et al.
Quote from: Hertsblue on 05 September 2011, 05:55:21 PM
In which case, what's the point? ;)
Mate - it's a bike you can get your mates on without giving them 'backies'. With beer. 'nuff said. ;D
Not if you is riding em. in which case it becomes a conveyance, covered by RTA con and use.
Mind you - riding a cow :o :D
ianS
Quote from: ianrs54 on 06 September 2011, 08:51:12 AM
Not if you is riding em. in which case it becomes a conveyance, covered by RTA con and use.
Not sure I agree with you - have you got a source?
Quote from: ianrs54 on 06 September 2011, 08:51:12 AM
Mind you - riding a cow :o :D
ianS
Nothing wrong with that. Much cheaper than diesel round here. ;D
Quote from: nikharwood on 06 September 2011, 11:31:00 PM
Nothing wrong with that. Much cheaper than diesel round here. ;D
Also...with a cow you could collect the methane...even more potential energy savings !
To keep this going.... SWMBO reckons you can be charged with being drunk in charge of a wheelbarrow ???? Yes ?..No ??
Cheers - Phil. (Who should be pushing putty about instead of writing this. ;D ;D)
I was on one of these in cologne last year as part of the bachelor party of a friend of mine. It was great fun. 30 litres of Kölsch-Beer in about one hour and a half. Divided by 9 guys.
Even more fun was the time we spent at Michael Schumachers go-cart track AFTER that....
Quote from: Techno on 07 September 2011, 01:33:14 PM
To keep this going.... SWMBO reckons you can be charged with being drunk in charge of a wheelbarrow ???? Yes ?..No ??
If it is a vehicle then it be a conveyance, and thing of the devil for Nik. The actual offence is drunk in charge of a conveyance. cant be "bagged", so it's back to Leith Police and St lines.
IanS
Quote from: ImUrDentist on 07 September 2011, 02:42:49 PM
I was on one of these in cologne last year as part of the bachelor party of a friend of mine. It was great fun. 30 litres of Kölsch-Beer in about one hour and a half. Divided by 9 guys.
Even more fun was the time we spent at Michael Schumachers go-cart track AFTER that....
Now
that's my kind of wasting time... 8)
Quote from: ianrs54 on 07 September 2011, 04:01:34 PM
If it is a vehicle then it be a conveyance, and thing of the devil for Nik. The actual offence is drunk in charge of a conveyance. cant be "bagged", so it's back to Leith Police and St lines.
IanS
There is no way on this planet, in this lifetime, that you're going to convince me [or any barrister that ends up defending me] that a horse is a conveyance...and you won't catch me drunk in a wheelbarrow...those days are behind me now... :d
Anyway - you got a source to show me that horses are in the RTA? Or are you convinced now that they're only covered by the 1872 Licensing Act as I think? :-\ :P
Quote from: nikharwood on 07 September 2011, 09:26:35 PM
1872 Licensing Act as I think? :-\ :P
That was repealed in 1915, and by several others since, at least in civilised bits of the country. Even if it took till 2008 to return to the same hours.
RTA - it's under relavent con and use reguations, or unmodofied comon law.
IanS
I think you're wrong - and you're not providing any evidence to support your statements Ian.
The 1872 Act was not repealed - but statute altered by subsequent amendment legislation [Licensing Acts in 1964, 1988, 2003].
The 1915 measures were reductions in opening hours, restrictions on buying alcohol for others and the beginning of increased taxation.
The Road Traffic Act only deals with "propelled vehicles"; Section 30 explicitly deals with cycles. Horses are not mentioned - at least, not anywhere that I can find - and until you provide me with a direct reference to the contrary, I'll go with 1872 as the statute that creates the offence: because that is the legislative basis, it does not require common law.
I'm happy to be corrected on this - and may well be wrong - but, scholar that I am, you need to prove it with evidenced fact, not statements of assertion. :)
Can you be charged for riding a cycle or horse whilst under the influence?
Yes, but as neither is a mechanically propelled vehicle, they do not fall within this part of the Road Traffic Act. It is an offence under Section 30(1) to ride a bicycle, tricycle or cycle having 4 or more wheels whilst under the influence of drink. #
Pursuant to Section 12 of the Licensing Act 1872, it is also an offence to be riding a cycle or to be in charge of any carriage, horse or cattle when drunk. Note, that it needs to be established that the Defendant is "drunk" not merely effected by alcohol.
:-\
Friend just posted this on Faceache - thought it was apt...
A recent joint study conducted by the Department of Health and the Department of Motor Vehicles indicates that 23% of traffic accidents are alcohol related. This means that the remaining 77% are caused by idiots that just drink coffee, juices, carbonated drinks, milk, water, and crap like that. Therefore, beware of those who do not drink alcohol.
They cause three times as many accidents.
Can't argue with the logic there. ;D ;D.
Cheers - Phil.
Quote from: mad lemmey on 10 September 2011, 06:26:41 PM
Friend just posted this on Faceache - thought it was apt...
A recent joint study conducted by the Department of Health and the Department of Motor Vehicles indicates that 23% of traffic accidents are alcohol related. This means that the remaining 77% are caused by idiots that just drink coffee, juices, carbonated drinks, milk, water, and crap like that. Therefore, beware of those who do not drink alcohol.
They cause three times as many accidents.
Yeah, but drinking and pedalling a small, mobile nissen-hut deserves a catagory of its own. :D
Quote from: mad lemmey on 10 September 2011, 06:26:41 PM
Friend just posted this on Faceache - thought it was apt...
A recent joint study conducted by the Department of Health and the Department of Motor Vehicles indicates that 23% of traffic accidents are alcohol related. This means that the remaining 77% are caused by idiots that just drink coffee, juices, carbonated drinks, milk, water, and crap like that. Therefore, beware of those who do not drink alcohol.
They cause three times as many accidents.
Lies, damn Lies and Statistics.........
Dont forget tin hats caused head wounds in 1915 !
IanS
My grandfather had a bicycle that was self propelled and knew it's way back home from any pub in our home town.
Leastways that's what my grandmother reckoned seeing as he always managed to get home on his bike, no matter how drunk he was.
Having spent some time working down in the rural West Country, there appears to be a variety of tractors, Land Rovers, and even a landlord's transit van with similar properties...
Quote from: Luddite on 18 September 2011, 08:12:45 PM
Having spent some time working down in the rural West Country, there appears to be a variety of tractors, Land Rovers, and even a landlord's transit van with similar properties...
I got a lift home once in one of those particular Land Rovers in Cornwall, after my car had broke down in the middle of nowhere! I'd already walked 2 miles in the dark, after the lift I wished I'd continued on foot... X_X
My brother, who works in a south Devon pub, always got home because the lane between the pub and his house was the same width as his car... ;)
Quote from: Hertsblue on 21 September 2011, 05:06:45 PM
My brother, who works in a south Devon pub, always got home because the lane between the pub and his house was the same width as his car... ;)
It had green go-faster stripes then ? :d
IanS
Quote from: ianrs54 on 21 September 2011, 07:37:30 PM
It had green go-faster stripes then ? :d
IanS
Nothing go-faster about my brother, believe me. :P