What about an A34 Comet, A13 Covenator or even (breaking into the realms of fantasy now) an A39 Tortoise ?
Im in 'need' of some real British heavy fire power for WW2.
I have seen some A39's on ebay but they are asking just shy of £20 a piece (inc p&p) and im not a rich man :o(
Anyway, just a thought...I can manage with Crocs, Grants and Sherms, but who wants to just manage :o)
Wayne
The Covenantor is roughly same as a Crusader I, so not there. Comet is excellent, and so is a Churchill 7/8, which is rare but almost proof of German guns. If you want to be silly look up the "TOG", oe the Australian Sentinal, with 2 25pdr.
In real life the Sherman an Cromwell are as good as a Pnz IV, and can outmanouver the dreaded Tigers, so only Panthers should cause you problems.
IanS
In fact the Covenanter never saw action only used in the UK as a training tank as it was so bad.
The Tortoise did not appear until 1947 and then only three prototypes produced.
Don't tell me FOW are producing the Tortoise as a company pack of 5!!! ;D
Quote from: Martyn on 04 July 2011, 06:46:08 PM
...FOW are producing the Tortoise as a company pack of 5!!! ;D
At the bargain price of £40 plus shipping? :D
Quote from: Martyn on 04 July 2011, 06:46:08 PM
In fact the Covenanter never saw action only used in the UK as a training tank as it was so bad.
A few bridgelayer versions made it into action (Italy IIRC).
Quote from: ianrs54 on 04 July 2011, 04:08:59 PM
If you want to be silly look up the "TOG", oe the Australian Sentinal, with 2 25pdr.
Yes, TOG is silly.
That Sentential was only a test bed to see of the turret and hull could handle the firing stresses of a 17pdr, 25 pdrs were all that they had available to test with so they whacked 2 of them in and fired them simultaneously with an electric trigger (their combined stress exceeded that of a single 17pdr). It is curious that the Sentential design (a rush job taking into account an inexperienced and tiny manufacturing base) seems on paper at least to have overcome almost all of the flaws in British cruiser designs with all their technical excellence know how and manufacturing ability on hand.
There does seem to be a lot of interest generally on the internet amoungst the 'geek' sects (I include myself in a few of those) about 'What if' timelines. You only have to look at youtube and you find Ironskies amoungst others.
Ok, heres a pondering question:
Would there be enough interest in 'What If' tanks. You only have to look at games such as World of Tank (which is awesome btw and free) to see there is alot of interest in the genre. But ! would the wargames community welcome it (or more imortantly spend cash on it enough to make it worth while) ?
There are a number of manufacturers already do various bits and pieces in 1:144 (Dragon, rijklau on ebay), charge extortionate prices and still make a good turnover.
What do you think ? wouldnt it be nice to have a few E-100, Tortoise, Lowe Variants, Panther developments, Maus's, T29/T95 SHT, etc, etc....
See the Weird WWII thread. Converted a 1/72nd scale T-34 into a 6mm tank from the proposed German stuff. Most of the tested kit isone in 6mm.
IanS
I'd quite like both the Maus and Ratte, but for models of that size, it's hard to justify the design costs. If there were a definite group of people doing a certain 'What If?' then we'd look at it, but it would need to have some momentum behind it, like the VBCW has done.
Do the real ones first - PARTICULARLY CENTURIONS.
ianS
QuoteDo the real ones first - PARTICULARLY CENTURIONS.
Comets before centurions, comets fought in Germany equipping 11th AD (I think) but the centurions didn't make it in time.
Rather suspcet over a 50 year career the Cernt fought rather more often than the Comet !
Leon two to do which are quick and useful -
M10 wth 3", cant see it, just the Achillies and M36, easy, barrel swap on the Achilles master
M1 57mm AT gun, you do this but dont sell it, British 6pdr(not airbourne) with US crew.
IanS
Quote from: ianrs54 on 10 August 2011, 07:42:47 AM
M10 wth 3", cant see it, just the Achillies and M36, easy, barrel swap on the Achilles master
US list A7, missed it myself first time of looking
http://www.pendraken.co.uk/A7-p4618/
If it wasn't snipping off or filing down of the muzzle brake on the Achilles would do the trick.
Quote from: ianrs54 on 10 August 2011, 07:42:47 AM
M1 57mm AT gun, you do this but dont sell it, British 6pdr(not airbourne) with US crew.
IanS
Can be found here, I would think?
57mm AT gun with crew (2)
http://www.pendraken.co.uk/A37-p4648/
QuoteRather suspcet over a 50 year career the Cernt fought rather more often than the Comet !
True, but this is the WW2 requests thread and the Centurion didn't fight in WW2. Also the tank changed quite a lot over the 50 years it was in service arround the world, not lleast the up gunning from the original 17ld to 105mm.
What about the Conqueror British tank which was designed as heavy backup to the Centurion?
Wouldn't be a prioirty, it's not comon - 6 per rgt, usually left at base cause it broke down all the time, couldn't keep up (even with Cents), and generall wern't popular. Apparently the only thing it was good for was promotion. If you stood a senior officer about 30 ft feet to the side (left?) he got a 120mm brass case on the head.
As this is a WWII thread for Brit heavy metal, there is the Churchill gun carrier, 3" AA gun in a box on a Churchill III/IV hull, 50 made I think. There is also various SP's on Crusaders - including a 5.5" Howitzer (very cramped) and Argentine stuff with French guns.
IanS
Might as well mention the A43 Black Prince (or Super Churchill). Basically an enlarged Churchill with a 17pdr gun. Six prototypes by war's end, not taken into production since no real advantage over the Centurion.
But a nice what-if, because development started a lot earlier, but was halted because it would be too big to transport on railways. Without that hitch, it might have been in action in Normandy.
http://www.wwiivehicles.com/unitedkingdom/infantry/a43-black-prince.asp
But anyway, I think a Comet (and a Centurion) should be higher on the priority list.
To be fair there's not a lot missing from the British range tankwise (see my comments on the new releases thread re Churchills) From a late war perspective the Comet is the obvious one other than that it odd things like Ram OP and Badger. Could be a few gaps for the earlier War but there not something I know much about so will leave it to others to comment. That just leaves the prototypes or not quite in time to see any action.
Havent looked to carefully but dont remember the AA tanks appearing. These were aroind longer than many people think. Since they were perfectly gpoo chassis they were issiued to units like SP AT as command vehicles.
IanS
BR100 is a Crusader AA doesn't state which one but fairly sure it's a II or III with the twin Oerlikon rather than a bofors. That leaves the Vickers & Staghound versions IIRC. Only just noticed there isn't a Staghound of any sort in the range. Crusader gun Tractor for the 17pdr is a possibility too.
BR100 is the twin 20mm version
(http://kerynne.com/games/images/BritArm/arm_AA.jpg)
I'll pop the extra votes down for the Comet, Tortoise and the Black Prince! Unless there is some serious interest though, I could only see the Comet making it to production in the near future.
Leon - if you were to put a Churchill III/IV Hull into my current order I'll have a go at the Gun Carrier - really simple job I think.
IanS