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Title: Austrian 1860 - Hungarian line in Kittel
Post by: Chad on 30 June 2011, 11:42:49 AM
Leon

Do these figures have the 2 poses as for the german Line in Kittel?

Chad
Title: Re: Austrian 1860 - Hungarian line in Kittel
Post by: Leon on 30 June 2011, 05:20:18 PM
The Hungarians in kittel are actually all firing!  The greatcoat version are 2 poses: advancing with rifle at 45 degrees, and with rifle slung.
Title: Re: Austrian 1860 - Hungarian line in Kittel
Post by: Chad on 30 June 2011, 06:41:27 PM
Oh! That's certainly not what I expected. A few firing would not be too bad, but I don't see me using all firing figures. Looks like I may have to use German Line only, which sort of shoots my plans in the foot.

Chad
Title: Re: Austrian 1860 - Hungarian line in Kittel
Post by: Leon on 30 June 2011, 07:08:37 PM
Quote from: Chad on 30 June 2011, 06:41:27 PM
Oh! That's certainly not what I expected. A few firing would not be too bad, but I don't see me using all firing figures. Looks like I may have to use German Line only, which sort of shoots my plans in the foot.

We can supply a handful of the firing if you like, just to mix it up a bit?
Title: Re: Austrian 1860 - Hungarian line in Kittel
Post by: Chad on 30 June 2011, 07:41:57 PM
I appreciate the offer Leon. An alternative could be Grenz infantry which wore a Hungarian style. What is in those packs?

Chad
Title: Re: Austrian 1860 - Hungarian line in Kittel
Post by: Leon on 30 June 2011, 07:50:35 PM
Quote from: Chad on 30 June 2011, 07:41:57 PM
I appreciate the offer Leon. An alternative could be Grenz infantry which wore a Hungarian style. What is in those packs?

Probably not much help, they're all firing as well.
Title: Re: Austrian 1860 - Hungarian line in Kittel
Post by: Chad on 30 June 2011, 08:40:36 PM
German Line only then.
Title: Re: Austrian 1860 - Hungarian line in Kittel
Post by: Chad on 01 July 2011, 07:55:18 AM
Leon

My 1859 project is essentially for 2012, so is there any possibility of Hungarian Line in Kittel in a marching/advancing pose by then? I can then continue buying French, Austrian and later Piedmont for now.

Chad
Title: Re: Austrian 1860 - Hungarian line in Kittel
Post by: maciek on 01 July 2011, 08:20:48 AM
I thought that Austrians in kittel would be remodelled...
Title: Re: Austrian 1860 - Hungarian line in Kittel
Post by: Chad on 01 July 2011, 11:53:26 AM
Maciek

So did I, but it would appear not. I was persuaded to buy the existing figure and while it's OK it does not compare with the excellent modelling we have become used to.

I had planned an order next week to include the Hungarian Line in Kittel and further French, but simply do not want units consisting of all firing figures. Despite having imperial Guard Grenadiers and Voltigeurs, I think I will have to put my 1859 plans on hold and concentrate on my 1866 plans (which do not include dismounted cavalry).

Its disappointing but there appears to be no alternative.

Chad
Title: Re: Austrian 1860 - Hungarian line in Kittel
Post by: Martyn on 01 July 2011, 07:32:35 PM
I cannot find any real evidence for any cavalry Austrian or Prussian really dismounting to fight except in towns, Pubs etc trying to obtain billets. Would have been far to beneath them to act like infantry.
Title: Re: Austrian 1860 - Hungarian line in Kittel
Post by: Chad on 02 July 2011, 06:31:45 AM
Martyn

Yeah, but don't forget you could have a regiment of saddled horses in reserve!  ;D

Chad
Title: Re: Austrian 1860 - Hungarian line in Kittel
Post by: Martyn on 02 July 2011, 12:48:15 PM
Obviously some wargamers can be fooled most of the time ;)
Title: Re: Austrian 1860 - Hungarian line in Kittel
Post by: Martyn on 11 July 2011, 07:22:22 PM
By the 1860's the kittel was not for field service. It was the greatcoat and shirt. Might look good for variations on the tabletop but not historically accurate as per dismounted Hussars! Why not put valuable production resources into figures that people are going to buy in large numbers?
Title: Re: Austrian 1860 - Hungarian line in Kittel
Post by: Leon on 11 July 2011, 08:14:47 PM
Quote from: Martyn on 11 July 2011, 07:22:22 PM
Why not put valuable production resources into figures that people are going to buy in large numbers?

Yep, that's what the requests lists are all about!
Title: Re: Austrian 1860 - Hungarian line in Kittel
Post by: Martyn on 11 July 2011, 08:50:41 PM
Can I make a suggestion and i don't wish to tell you how or what to produce but would it not be possible that in responding to customer demand, Those making the request for a figure :-\ could also supply historical details etc to back their case otherwise it's too easy to slip from historical to fantasy. al a FOW.
Title: Re: Austrian 1860 - Hungarian line in Kittel
Post by: Chad on 13 July 2011, 08:19:39 PM
Martin

The kittel was used in 1859, which was what I was looking for in terms of Hungarian line. The German line is in Kittel and I was disappointed that all the Hungarian figures were in a firing pose. The German Line are modelled with the trousers turned up at the ankle. In terms of Hungarian Line the same figure would be fine but with that fold removed and the trousers smoothed down to the anklet of the half-boots that they wore. Regrettably I have neither the time nor inclination to buy the German line and file them down myself, so as I have stated previously I will have no option but to use German line only.

As to uniform information for 1859 and 1866, I have all that is necessary and am happy to supply details to anyone who wants it. I am not in the habit of making requests that slip into fantasy as you put it.

As an example , I am quite happily using figures from the 19thC century/ACW range to produce forces for Nassau, Baden, Oldenburg and Bremen. They are not exact but I am happy that in 10mm the uniform differences are almost unnoticeable. I have also had very useful suggestions from other posters as to figures I can use for cavalry for 1859, which I very much appreciate.

Chad


Title: Re: Austrian 1860 - Hungarian line in Kittel
Post by: Leman on 13 July 2011, 08:38:33 PM
If Prussian cavalry in 1860s/70s never dismounted why did Bruce Weigle choose an illustration of dismounted Prussian hussars in foot skirmish line as one of his illustrations for his 1870 rules? Why has Quintin Barry chosen an illustration of dismounted French dragoons fighting in volume 2 of his history of the Franco-Prussian War? Obviously nobody bothered to tell these chaps at the time that they were being historically innaccurate. Do any other wargamers out there fight campaigns on the tabletop that don't necessarily unfold in exactly the way they did in the past?
Title: Re: Austrian 1860 - Hungarian line in Kittel
Post by: Chad on 13 July 2011, 08:42:39 PM
DP

I thought that's what we all did sooner or later. ;)

Chad
Title: Re: Austrian 1860 - Hungarian line in Kittel
Post by: Leon on 13 July 2011, 11:12:06 PM
Quote from: Martyn on 11 July 2011, 08:50:41 PM
Can I make a suggestion and i don't wish to tell you how or what to produce but would it not be possible that in responding to customer demand, Those making the request for a figure :-\ could also supply historical details etc to back their case otherwise it's too easy to slip from historical to fantasy. al a FOW.

We have done for some of the figures produced.  With the recent skirmishers/dismounted Hussars, we asked people to let us know exactly what they wanted.  There were some good replies, but the thread did get a little sidelined by a 'did Hussars actually dismount' discussion!   :D