So finally picked up the brush on the new LoA figures. Absolutely BANG ON! I mean they come out brilliantly. And this is me with goon hands. All well and good. So I was sat there tonight all smug with myself, first set of lolly stick mounted troops done. For Lored Bellew's Rgt. Smashing.
Here comes the disaster part...
I have painted them (I think) in totally the wrong colour. On the LOA website the colour is red coats with yellow cuffs. A friend of mine who is a boffin on this type of thing, lives in Dublin says that Bellews by 1690 supposedly had all grey with brown cuffs.
I painted them sky blue strides, white coat (well white highlighted over grey) and brown cuffs. Thats from another source.
Bugger. I don't know whether to scrub it all off, bin them and start again or just leave it. The best 10mm figs I've done PERIOD, and I am just looking at them thinking WRONG!
Keep those ones for some Imagi-Nation gaming, and just buy some more... :D :d
Quote from: Leon on 15 June 2011, 01:11:15 AM
Keep those ones for some Imagi-Nation gaming, and just buy some more... :D :d
Oh yes, thats a brilliant idea. More lead. Why didn't I think of that.
"I have painted them (I think) in totally the wrong colour. On the LOA website the colour is red coats with yellow cuffs. A friend of mine who is a boffin on this type of thing, lives in Dublin says that Bellews by 1690 supposedly had all grey with brown cuffs."
There must be another regiment that had the same facings methinks? By the way I'm not a boffin, nor do I live in Dublin :D
I'm with Nosher. Bearing in mind that colonels of the period were responsible for kitting out their men, and often changed uniform colours at a whim, who's to say what the regiments were wearing at any particular moment in time? It may simply have been that there was no red cloth available at the time.
Stick with your colours. Painting time's too precious to throw away. m/
Keep the unit. I'm sure the history police will give your house a miss.
Sometimes I feel it can be all to serious, an imagination unit is fine for that era.
Unfortunately there are only a handful of regiments whose details were recorded by an English Jacobite, John Stevens, just before the battle of the Boyne at Dundalk on the 19th of June 1690. Bellew's is one of them.
http://www.archive.org/details/cu31924028084519
His journal is where most of the info there is on uniforms and colours of the Irish regiments is drawn from.
"The Lord Bellew's Regiment, thirteen companies, 62 men each, 806 private men. Their clothes red, lined in orange tawny. Their colours bendy black, and tawny or filamot on the top. Next the spear, a crown imperial, and round it this motto Tout D'En Haut. In the centre the Irish harp and crown imperial. The colonel's colours has a small red cross patee for distinction. "
Red lined orange tawny, so I think you are OK, unless there's superceding info that your mate has (Grey with brown cuffs sounds like its possibly Lord Louth's which is the 9th entry on Steven's list).
I'd keep them as they are. As long as you are happy, that's all that matters.
What's 'Bendy Black'?
Sounds suspiciously like the beginning of an ad for something from Ann Summers ;D
Diagonal stripes. Its a term those in the know about heraldry will be familiar with (I am not!)
http://www.google.co.uk/search?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&client=opera&hs=Glp&rls=en&channel=suggest&biw=1280&bih=831&tbm=isch&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&q=heraldry%20bendy
Quote from: clibinarium on 15 June 2011, 12:08:05 PM
Diagonal stripes. Its a term those in the know about heraldry will be familiar with (I am not!)
http://www.google.co.uk/search?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&client=opera&hs=Glp&rls=en&channel=suggest&biw=1280&bih=831&tbm=isch&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&q=heraldry%20bendy
Hence "bend sinister" - the mark of bastardy - and possibly bad table-manners... :)
Had worse - finsihed some SYW Baccus for a customer, varnished - varnish dried matt White - 3-4 Days lost.
Leave em as dey is, it's your army.
IanS
I think that there will be a lot of 1690 regiments out there for which no information is known - so if you are not satsified with them as Lord Bellow's why not attribute them to one of the unknowns? Either way, don't repaint, reinvest!
Mollinary
Definitely don't repaint them...that would be....stoopid. :)
Quote from: clibinarium on 15 June 2011, 10:28:48 AM
"The Lord Bellew's Regiment, thirteen companies, 62 men each, 806 private men. Their clothes red, lined in orange tawny. Their colours bendy black, and tawny or filamot on the top. Next the spear, a crown imperial, and round it this motto Tout D'En Haut. In the centre the Irish harp and crown imperial. The colonel's colours has a small red cross patee for distinction. "
Red lined orange tawny, so I think you are OK, unless there's superceding info that your mate has (Grey with brown cuffs sounds like its possibly Lord Louth's which is the 9th entry on Steven's list).
I think my chum is describing Louths. Oh well I have a free regiment that I will use for one of the unidentified ones. For once my painting looked okay, and I would have been well pissed off if I had o start all over again. Onwards and upwards comrades!
It sounds to me like all you need to do is repaint the facings orange or tawny, which ought to be straighforward over yellow, or indeed yellow might be close enough anyway given the inconsistency of dyes.
I think I am just going to plough on and leave them. There is enough Irish Jacobite units that we don't know what they wore to carry me through.
Quote from: Alan on 17 June 2011, 05:56:01 AM
...plough on and leave them...
Good plan! Go forward, not back.
The key here is the word 'supposedly'. Until somebody shows you irrefutable contemporary proof that you are wrong, then you are RIGHT! ;)