We've had a couple of test figures done by a new designer, for a prospective new Republican Roman range, so here's some pics. Let us know what you think, and then we can look at getting the rest of the range done.
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5054/5555122522_4c07e7c953.jpg)
Excellent sculpts. They would be ideal for late Republican, Caesar in Gaul etc.
They are very nicely sculpted - a couple of [probably over-harsh] comments:
The pose on the left: it looks as if he's resting his shield on the ground - not sure why I don't like this, but...
The pose on the right: it's a bit static for me: he looks a bit like he's standing around waiting for something to happen: he's not marching, not advancing & doesn't seem to be particularly ready to receive some barbarian nutter hurtling at him at full pelt...he should be the one with the shield resting on the floor?!
They are lovely sculpts though - faces particularly look good 8)
Comments taken on board Nik...
First 'Ancients' I've tried my hand at at this scale....So I'm 'dancing in the dark'....Just a tiny bit at the mo'.
But I can see exactly what you mean.
Won't take long to give those a tweak and make them a little more 'active'/dynamic.
Very useful feedback though...Just the sort of thing I need to know.
VBWs - Phil.
Cool - thanks Phil; I think you've done a great job with these - even more so if this is your first go in 10mm :o
I'm looking forward to seeing more in this range..! 8)
No Nik.
Not my the first go at 10mm.
Just the first at 10mm from the Ancient 'era'.
VBWs - Phil.
Ah - yep, my apologies...trying to do more than one thing at a time...
You'd think that us blokes would know we can't multi-task by now, eh? :-[
Quote from: nikharwood on 24 March 2011, 11:34:34 AM
You'd think that us blokes would know we can't multi-task by now, eh? :-[
can you cope with one task Nik ? :d :'(
Very nice figures.
IanS
not realy my cup of dried leafs in hot water but these look very nice.
the only thing i have is also with the shields on both figures both shields look extremely close to the body (or its just me being picky)
and if you look at the second set the guy on the left the arm holding the shiel is in a very wierd looking angle :-\
but aside from that excelent stuff :-bd
I painted a large number (well in excess of 2500) figs from the existing range for a bloke once, as well as many for my own collection. Nice poses, advancing sword drawn - very dynamic. The throwning pilum though a little awkward. However when based together and a nice scenic touch added, on mass they were.... Bellissimo!
I cant wait to 'have a go' at some of these. I take the points from my learned and well experienced comrades. But I've had to work with a lot of c**p (NO Pendraken included in that!) in my time. These look positively exquisite. Good facial detail. good proportions (no big feet, small hands - that sort of thing). Acurate depictions. Well done that man. As nik said for a sculptor working on ancients for the first time.
More please.
Anyway the one on the right is making sure that the camera man in the helicopter is getting his best side. To hell with the screamimg, maniacal celt charging at him form the schwubbery!
These look nice too.
Stop It Leon!!!!!!!! ;)
It may just be the photos but they look a little more slender from other Pendraken figures. Not that this is a bad thing, but not sure how it goes from a compatibility point of view??
Quote from: ianrs54 on 24 March 2011, 12:12:39 PM
can you cope with one task Nik ? :d :'(
Yes Ian - watch me cope with ignoring you :P
Again...
Thanks for all the kind comments guys...
I'll chat with Leon next week about 'tweaks' to these particular wee chaps....and what else is required to build a range up.
Helicopters ?.....You deserve to be "stwuck vewwy woughly....and thwown to the flwoor..." commission.
I thought everybody knew the Romans didn't invent helicopters for AT LEAST 50 years after these chaps fought a battle.
Now....a painter in a balloon to get his best side I could believe.
VBWs - Naughtius Maximus.
Sounds good actually. Bring on Keira.
No really, loving your work Techno. Look forward to more of the same.
I agree with Nik's comments about the posing, but excellent sculpting :-bd
I could be tempted by these ..........
Cheers,
Kev
Well what can I say, Dave and Leon said they would look at the Republic and they are true to their word. These figures have huge potential.
Can I ask , will you be looking at the Mid Rebublic? as I can't wait to confront my local Hannibal with a new range of Romans.
Excellent work :)
Thanks Bertie.
I'll be checking with Leon very soon, as to what his requirements are...so I'm sure he'll let you know.
A question for you first though.
By Mid Republic, do you mean one of the variations of armour that would have had upright feathers on top of the helms, rather than the flowing 'crest'?
I can make those.....But I'd worry about how fragile they'd be once they were cast in metal at this scale
VBWs - Phil.
Hi Techno,
The Mid Rebublic would be the period of the Hastatus, Principes, Triarii and Velite. From what I understand the Hastatus had a pectoral (a plate of armour on the chest) Princpes and Triarii a mail shirt. But no doubt there would have been variations in the army.
What I have read seems to indicate that a three feather plume was used. All I can say is that Magister Militum and Minifigs (USA) have produced figures depicting the plume :-\ But I am certainly no artist to make a valid judgement. Anyway if push came to shove I would settle for the crest you have done to date, as long as they were distinctive in the other areas. Besides I have seen pictures with all manner and variations of the crest. Does anyone really know 100%?
Whilst you are about it how about a range of non Latin equiped Italian allies that can be used by several armies.
Anyway can't wait no really I can't wait to see what you can do. As the Republic is an army that I have bought and painted in several scales including 10mm, but they have never been my "THIS IS THE ONE" and I have been looking off and on for 30 years. Must have OCD I guess
Thanks Bertie.
I know the ones you mean !
(Well...when i say know....I do have reference 'piccies' for the chest plate....)
Allies ?.....We'll have to ask that nice Mr Leon.
VBWs - Phil.
Hello Techno,
Just spent the last 20 mins trying to attach an image no joy. Not the sites fault its me. Anyway if you do a search on google/MSN images there are loads of pictures.
Sorry >:(
Bertie
Hi Bertie.
I believe Leon is going to send me a reference book...(or some pics...)...very soon now....So no worries.
Many thanks for trying anyway ! :-bd
VBWs - Phil
Hello Techno,
What has Leon given you the go ahead to do?
Quote from: Bertie on 10 April 2011, 07:25:49 PM
Hello Techno,
What has Leon given you the go ahead to do?
Nothing yet! I've been too busy getting the stock done for Salute to get anything sorted.
The sculpting is excellent but the poseing is off - as stated, they are too static. I think a simple 'forward lean' into the shield would solve that and make them look a little more dynamic. I really like the close in shield and the compact use of the galdius, which is as i understand it the current thinking on how these chaps fought (some scholars suggesting that only the gladius blade protruted beyond the tightly held shield).
The Republican Roman army after the Marian reforms adopted the triplex acies 'manipular formation', with the Principes and Hastati behind a shield of skirmishing velites and backed up by the veteran triarii (armed originally in 'Greek fashion' of long spear phalanx, but later increasingly with short spear or even gladius), so i'm not sure which grade of troop you're sculpting here? Hastati?
The issue of the headdress is also moot. Again, we don't really know what they wore, but it was likely either tall feathers or a 'horse tail'. I've alsways felt these 'brushes' look more Greek that Roman.
Here's a good image source (Left = Hastati/Principes; Centre = Triarii; Right = velites).
(http://www.maatbooks.com.au/IMAGES/Sekunda_Roman%20Republican%20Army.jpg)
Thanks for the info Luddite, I might have a wander around Salute for that Osprey. We've got the Punic Wars one already.
Well, I'll be........
As Leon now knows....That's the particular ref book, I've got already !
Those it is then.....I'll send WIP pictures to Leon as I progress.
Cheers - Phil.
(Hope everyone going to Salute has a really GREAT time !)
Brilliant just the look I have always considered to be Punic war Romans. One thing though, only a few Velites would have worn the animal headress, those who wanted to stand out on the battlefeild, the rest would have tried to blend into the back ground with a simple helmet. Some good illustrations of Roman cavalry in the book as well ;)
Quote from: Bertie on 15 April 2011, 07:35:42 PM
One thing though, only a few Velites would have worn the animal headress, those who wanted to stand out on the battlefeild, the rest would have tried to blend into the back ground with a simple helmet.
Yeah, I don't think we'll be going for the dead cat headwear!
Quote from: Leon on 26 April 2011, 10:28:12 PM
Yeah, I don't think we'll be going for the dead cat headwear!
Ah - why not....plenty of vounteer mogies around 'ere, or wuz dat foxes....
IanS
Don't talk to me about foxes !
One of the 'wotten wascals' has been having a go at our chickens over the last week !
Anyway...For now...I've just sent that nice Mr Leon some 'dollies' to cast up for me.....and once they're back in my hot little hands, I'll be cracking on with this project....Hopefully in a couple of weeks or so.....Really looking forward to it.
Cheers - Phil.
Any updates on the figures :-\
We moulded up some of the dollies, a few others needed a bit of quick repair, so we've got to mould those this weekend, and then we'll be sending a load down to Techno. Then we can get started on this project. 8)
Huzzah !!
Lots of dollies arrived a couple of days ago...And I've made a start now...I'll send Leon Wip piccies as I go along.
Comments will be welcome & very useful.
I'm fairly certain I know the correct styles/'uniforms' from the ref material I've now got....But if there's anything obvious that's wrong that you can see, let me know....
Cheers - Phil.
(http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k611/technodestructorman/IMGP3651.jpg)
See if this works !
I'm really only testing to see if I've done this right !
Hopefully above is a very early wip pic of some of the republican guard...
Feel free to comment evn though it's a very early shot...Like I say above, I'm only really having a 'play'.
Cheers - Phil
Stroll on......It worked !!
Thanks Leon.....Bet I'll have forgotten all that by the time I try and put up the next one ! ;D ;D
Cheers again - Phil.
LOOKING NICE TECHNO! Wow! :o
Thanks Lemmy.....
Can't believe I haven't crashed the forum !.....SO much trouble with the 'intraweb' recently, I seem to have used all my time trying to sort out why dozens of emails have been disappearing into the electronic ether for about a month..... Thought it was just me.....But I know differently now.... ;)
Cheers - Phil (It'll be nice to get back on with the wee chaps again...after all this 'breaking wind' about.)
They look fantastic, am I looking forward to putting my present Romans in a dark box, and starting again. :)
Did Leon give you an idea what he wanted you to do?
Bertie
Looking good Phil :)
Hi Bertie and Nik.....Thanks Guys !
Yep !......Know what I'm doing now, and really looking forward to cracking on with them....Basically Second Punic War 'era' if I'm not very much mistaken....(Said he cribbing from a picture which I'll be using for a lot of the reference material !)
I'll post photo's as often as possible, so I can get feedback....Be very useful to me.
Cheers - Phil
Looking good! :-bd
Fantastic start Phil 8) Can't wait to see how these progress! Looks like my ancients are going to get reinforcements :D
Cheers,
Kev
Thanks to you too Kev....I'm hoping I'll have something more to show in the next few days.
Cheers - Phil.
Amazing work Techno 8) I hope these don't get finished too soon though, I've a stack of stuff to paint already!
I've found Photobucket to be a pain in the proverbial lately - using Flicker now.
Cheers,
Kev
Awww Kev....
Don't give me another way of mucking things up ;D ;D
I'll have another go at putting them up later....And this time I'll leave things alone !! ;)
Cheers - Phil
Here we go again...Like I said I'll leave things alone this time ! (http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k611/technodestructorman/IMGP3680.jpg)(http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k611/technodestructorman/IMGP3681.jpg)
So...If I don't press the wrong buttons again....
Top pic L/R Histatus/Tribune/Histatus/Signifier/Veles.
Bottom pic L/R Archer/Archer/Triarius/Triarius/Veles/Veles.
As you can see lots of work still to do...And if ANYONE makes any comments about 'my favourite martian' for the two Triarius (i ??....Long time since I did Latin !!) as they are at the moment....I'll send the boys round....
Cheers - Phil.
Awesome, I have a Republican army in one of my to-be-painted boxes, they may be dumped on Evil Bay in favour of these fellas.
Thanks Gordon. I'm pleased you like them !
Won't take too long to finish them off now ....apart from the feathers on the two Triarius models.
(Sigh),,,,Why couldn't they have something nice and easy like the 'plume' on the tribune ? ;D
Cheers - Phil.
These look great Phil, nice! 8)
These are coming along very nicely indeed Phil :)
Thanks both !
With luck, with what I've got done today they should be 'finished'/almost finished early next week...So, one or two more lots of piccies still to come for feedback before they go into the post.
Cheers - Phil.
They look great, even the triarii :D
;D ;D ;D
Well....I did give up Latin as fast as was humanly possible....But I mean..Given the choice between Latin and Art what would most people go for ?
Cheers - Phil.
Very nice looking greens
The bottom row is looking ideal for the 'Bleep and Booster' army I was thinking of putting together
I was thrown off my Latin course during my classics MA, and later introduced to the Head of Harvard Classics Dept by Prof John Rich, my head of Dept at Nottingham as: "The most lingustically incompetent person we've ever had the misfortune of teaching",
They then proceeded to get me absoloutely drunkl!
Well....Yours truly would always be the first to finish a Latin exam....Usually at least half an hour before everybody else.
There'd be a full answer for every single question.....And I'd usually get something around 20-25%. Nothing that I'm proud of, but
I'm afraid I simply could not stand Latin at that age.
Cheers - Phil.
Here's trying again.....
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So...these are the 'almost nearly' finished shots.
The top row...still need the odd things like arms, arms finishing off properly, shields and some fiddly bits here and there.
I think the bottom are now completed...apart from the signifier who just needs a little neatening up on his 'standard'.
Let me know if I've missed something obvious...I hope I haven't !
Cheers - Phil
Look great so far. Nice one!
Slingers? That would be my only suggestion...
Hi Lemmy.
Have to ask that nice Mr Leon re the slingers... ;)
None of those chaps on the original brief.
Cheers - Phil.
These are looking great, better than some I've seen in larger scales. You're going to get me into trouble with SWMBO Phil, definitely another 'project as soon as these are released!
Actually, I can see some of these are going to have multiple uses - at leas tthat's going to be my excuse 8)
Cheers,
Kev
Thanks lots Kev !
Just a few little tweaks to do before they're ready to pop into the post to Leon.....But I HAVE got some cavalry to do very soon as well.
Cheers - Phil. (PS...Have I got the 'avatar' (is that right ?) for you....Squirrel with a machine gun.) ;)
Quote from: Techno on 10 August 2011, 11:48:22 AM
Have I got the 'avatar' (is that right ?) for you....Squirrel with a machine gun.) ;)
Sounds cool 8)
Cheers,
Kev
Excellent work Techno, just a couple of questions.
What has Leon asked you to do?
Will there be a Principes figure? Same as the Hastati but with a mail shirt.
Will any of the Velites have an animal skin helmet cover?
And perhaps this is asking too much, but figures throwing the Hastati/Principes pilum and Velite javelin?
And why the Archer figure with the mail shirt, great figure which I would use with a very late Republic early Imperial army but not with a mid Republic army. Yeah perhaps I am a sad.
Bertie
Hi Bertie
What you see is basically what Leon has asked me to do.
No plan for a Principes figure at the mo'...Tho' having done as much research as i could I was wondering what those looked like !...Maybe in the future/soon.
Yes....I'm already going to 'convert' (add to) one of the current Velites to give him a wolf's head 'hoody' and cape (If you'll excuse my terminology !).
Throwers...Again, perhaps in the future....Not too difficult for me to make, but possibly a swine for casting purpose, so that'll be up to Leon and Dave.
The archer ?.....Awww pants....that was the best I could find ref wise...though of course no particular 'era' was mentioned...What should they look like ?
Like the Velites..Though with a bow rather than the javelin ?...Let me know....This is the sort of info I need to 'make them right'. :)
Cheers - Phil
This was just the first batch for these, we'll be chatting with Phil about the next lot soon I would imagine.
At the moment, the next batch would include the Principes and the slingers, so they're covered. We'll also be looking at some Allies, and I might have a browse through the Requests to see which items can be done with this range.
With the archer figure, thanks for the info, that's handy to know. We'll probably ask Phil to do another one without the mail shirt, and then we've got both bases covered.
And as Phil says, any other info you've got would be great. We've got a few reference books for this, but extra sources are always handy to have.
Quote from: Leon on 10 August 2011, 11:46:26 PM
With the archer figure, thanks for the info, that's handy to know. We'll probably ask Phil to do another one without the mail shirt, and then we've got both bases covered.
That would be great as I would like both styles of archer :D
Cheers,
Kev
No sweat Guys..
I'll start on a 'non mail' archer, so he's ready for whenever he's needed !....We'll be waiting on you Bertie for the info :-bd.
And I forgot to put last time.....Of course you're not sad !....The problem (from a designer's point of view) is, with making lots of different ranges from different eras in all sorts of scales) I can only have the broadest idea of what's correct.
I rely on pictures from reference books...the net...etc...So any input from those that have really studied a particular period is more than welcome, I promise !
It's great fun learning....Even at my age ! ;D ;D ;D ;D....I love it !
Cheers - Phil
Hello Techno, very nice figures, i am a bit worried though about the oval shields on some of the figures, i think it needs to be chest height at least, that to me was the main drawback to the original Pendraken figures, the shields on the Republican Romans were much too small which to me made them unusable, the shields on page one of this thread look about right.
great figures though
cheers
Hi Toolsey.
I stand to be corrected, but I believe from the research (HAH !) that I've done that the 'oval' shields of this particular period (wot I are doing ..sic) were just a tad over waist high, (just to the bottom of the rib-cage, which is what I've done.)....That is, if the shield was standing on the ground......Later on (as far as I can tell) you'd be absolutely right in thinking that the shields were noticeably taller...Some almost up to the shoulder of the soldier.
Like I've said...I certainly don't regard myself as any sort of expert....I just follow on from the research that others have done to a far greater degree......If only the Romans had invented photography all those years ago .(Sigh)...then we could all be much more certain. ;)
But the input is greatly appreciated...And the compliments.....Thanks ! (Sorry....can't see the thread ...)
Cheers - Phil.
Apart from 'doing' the archer without the mail shirt...These are now all hopefully finished !
I hope Bertie reads the previous few 'missives' so he can give me some help with the new archer....eeek !(http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k611/technodestructorman/IMGP3684.jpg)(http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k611/technodestructorman/IMGP3685.jpg)
Hope they're OK !
Cheers - Phil.
Blimey, can I just say at this stage that I am no expert on the subject, like you guys I have just read up on as many history and rule books as I could and have formed an impression on what a 2nd Punic War Roman army should feel like. I am not back peddling but just so you understand where I am coming from. So that said.
Great news that there will be a Principes figure in due course as they made 1200 men of the Legion. Without them it would be a non starter.
On the subject of a figure throwing a Pilum, Pendraken have a great figure from the Marian/Caesar period figure code AR9, there is also a figure about to get stuck in with his gladius, so i suppose it is at least feasible?
About the size of the sheild, I agree with Toolsey that on the original figures fron Pendraken the sheilds are far to small. But as far as I am concerned Techno has it right, from what I have read the height would be around 1.4m high for a Scutum
The new archer though Bertie ?.....You'll be far more knowledgeable than yours truly !
Perhaps.....Like the ones I've already done, but with just a tunic and no mail over the top, sound along the right lines ? (I'll work on that basis ?)
Sounds like the 'throwers' will be a 'goer'..and the Principes....I'll just wait for Leon to say when.
Cheers - Phil.
When it comes to the archer figure, well they don't appear to have been that prevalent in the Punic wars, slings seem to have been the missile of choice. That said you had the ever present Cretan archers and perhaps the Romans would have used archers from their Illyrian allies?. Like most skirmish troops they would have had a basic tunic, the bow, quiver or arrows stuffed through their belt and a dagger, but again who really knows so keep it simple. And as someone said this could be a ubigious figure that could be used for a huge number of armies. So all is not lost and it is a really good pose.
Back onto the sheild thing :( sorry. The figure you have done for a commander, it has a great looking Hoplon type shield, did you make the figure using the Osprey book? The thing is I can't help but think that he would have had a Scutum so he could join the battle line as the type of fighting that the Romans employed relied on using the shield both in the offensive and defensive protecting yourself and the man next to you.
Got to be honest Techno, you must :d us non gifted people who just keep banging on. If only I had your skill. Anyway still love the work you have done so far. Oh and some allies with a simle tunic a light spear, perhaps a pectoral plate, helmet with a simple crest with a smaller Scutum, yes I did say smaller would be brilliant Bertie.
Hi Bertie...
Leon and I will probably try and have a chat tomorrow....He's already sent a list that includes some of the 'extras'..So we'll go through that and sort out where to go with the figures....I'll probably be picking your brains again very soon !
The shield...I'll discuss that with Leon as well....It could always be cast up 'as is'....and I could VERY quickly convert it to a scutum....so there would be one of each ?
Yep...You're right...Leon lent me that particular Osprey book. ;)
Good grief....Don't worry about 'banging on' as you put it..It keeps me employed ! ;D ;D....The allies....Up to Leon there...But you never know.
My skill ??....To be honest, i think it's the practice that's at least as important, if not more so...But many thanks for the compliment ! :-[
Cheers - Phil
Quote from: Techno on 11 August 2011, 02:21:34 PM
Hope they're OK !
I think you can rest assured they are definitely "OK" :D 8)
When are they going to be available Leon :P
Cheers,
Kev
I still haven't quite got the hang of this....(I mean posting photo's !)
But not too far off.
So...Obviously...Lots still to do...Especially the archers and allies on the top row...
Second row...Apart from the 'slinger' on the left who has a right arm that's even longer than one of mine....these are not going too far away from what I was intending.
I'm reasonably confident with what I need to do now ..thanks to Bertie's input...
Just want to make sure that the slingers will be 'correct' with a small 'veles' type shield being held by the left arm.
Input welcome as usual.
Cheers - Phil (PS...I'm not doing feathers on anything this small EVER again.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D......AAAAARGH !!.....Only joking guys !!)
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These look great, nice one!
Good slingers!
Great stuff as usual Phil 8)
Cheers,
Kev
Thanks Kev.
I love the new avatar...Where did that come from ? ;D ;D ;D ;D
Cheers - Phil.
Looking great Techno, like the touch of a sheild for the slinger. Also fantastic to see the allies taking shape.
Bertie
Thanks Bertie !
With luck I should have this group, well on the way to completion tomorrow afternoon, so I'll try and put up another couple of shots for feedback before any final tweaks.
Cheers - Phil
Those are some amazing sculpts Techno. Really seriously fine work sir.
The pilum was a javelin rather than a spear so the posing of these is slightly odd, but otherwise these figs are doubleplusgood.
The archers are excellent, with some decent sized bows (stubby little bows being a problem with some Pendraken ranges).
Thanks Luddite.
I understand what you mean !...
I'm afraid I was a bit of a coward, as I had to use the thickness of rod (for casting purposes) that you see...I was a little concerned that that particular size rod would look a little bit 'strange' if the figures were using the pili (?) as they must have been in combat.....Maybe in the future though !
But now....
These new ones are all but finished....I hope I've just got a little bit of cleaning up to do...Especially on the red 'shields'. (Plus run a feed to each of the bows !)
Also hope the allies are the sort of thing that was expected by everyone.
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Cheers - Phil
Looking good to me Phil 8)
Thanks Nik.
I think I'll do at least one extra 'change' tho'...The archer top left...Something does not look right with his helm now I look at it again !
Cheers - Phil.
Hi Techno,
Looking really good, love the slingers. The Pilum would look better in a throwing pose as stated by Luddite, but hey ho. Any chance of making the first allies spear point forward, as if he was getting stuck into an enemy?
Bertie
Hi Bertie.
I'm sure I'll make some 'chuckers'....May be able to do some conversions at some stage....(I'll ask that nice Mr Leon ;) )
The ally ?.....Oh.. all right then...Just for you ;D ;D. (they do look a little too similar in pose as they are....and I don't think there'll be any problems casting wise for that one doing some 'prodding'.
Cheers - Phil.
Just to let everyone know, these chaps arrived at Pendraken HQ today, so I'll get some shots taken of them all together and post them up tomorrow hopefully!
*dreams of a mid-Republican Keira* 8->
With feathers! m/
You find the reference piccy...I'll make the model. ;D
Cheers - Phil.
Quote from: Techno on 26 August 2011, 12:54:19 PM
You find the reference piccy...I'll make the model. ;D
Cheers - Phil.
Red rag, meet bull :D
(http://images.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/Keira-keira-knightley-112609_1024_768.jpg)
(http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/070501/keira/king_l.jpg)
(http://yourspiritualtruth.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/knightley_keira_king_arthur_4469l.jpg)
(http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/07.07.04/gifs/king-arthur-0428.jpg)
(http://tonova.typepad.com/thesuddencurve/images/keira.jpg)
(http://www.daveandthomas.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Keira-Knightley-King-Arthur-300x249.jpg)
(http://data.whicdn.com/images/10928508/Keira-Knightley-Gladiateur_thumb.jpg?1308398662)
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Fair enough then....But she's getting a sword, not a bow. ;)
Cheers - Phil.
...and there was much rejoicing! 8)
Tsk !....I dunno...The things I end up doing for fun, rather than dosh... ;D ;D
Cheers - Phil.
Quote from: Techno on 27 August 2011, 07:26:11 AM
Tsk !....I dunno...The things I end up doing for fun, rather than dosh... ;D ;D
Cheers - Phil.
Think of it as a labour of love, Phil.
Oh, and you could always use this as an excuse to look her up, even have her pose for your model.
"I'm on a mission from Pendraken, Ma'am." 8)
Cheers,
Aart
Quote from: Aart Brouwer on 27 August 2011, 10:06:18 AM
Think of it as a labour of love, Phil.
Oh, and you could always use this as an excuse to look her up, even have her pose for your model.
"I'm on a mission from Pendraken, Ma'am." 8)
Cheers,
Aart
I'm in - when are we going? :D
I'm calling 'SHOTGUN!' ;)
Well...
I gave her a call this afternoon...and sadly she won't be able to see us for at least a few weeks ! :'( :'(
I'll let you know when it's all arranged.
Cheers - Phil
You don't have to keep all the proportions correct though, there's a couple of area's which could benefit from a bit of 'enhancement'... :P
Already thought of Leon ! ;)
Her 'arm's' are much too thin for casting aren't they ? ;D =P~
Cheers - Phil.
You know it's going to be an immediate seller, if you advertsie in the 'Totty' thread! ;D
Quote from: Leon on 27 August 2011, 11:26:09 PM
You don't have to keep all the proportions correct though, there's a couple of area's which could benefit from a bit of 'enhancement'... :P
Couldn't have put it better myself :P
And another to add to my shopping list :D
Cheers,
Kev
(http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k611/technodestructorman/IMGP3750.jpg)
Hmmmm...Maybe I'll spend a bit more time on her then !
Cheers - Phil.
These have already been previewed by Techno, but as they look so good, I thought it wouldn't hurt to show them off again! There'll be some opposition coming soon for these, so keep an eye out for those.
Hastatus and Princepts:
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6073/6148994384_78849982ef.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pendraken/6148994384/)
Triarii and Command:
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6063/6148444473_c9dd38f795.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pendraken/6148444473/)
Veles and Light archers:
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6169/6148444925_7245397b71.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pendraken/6148444925/)
Slingers and Armoured archers:
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6168/6148995670_4965204b56.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pendraken/6148995670/)
And the Italian Allies:
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6063/6148445617_ccee0d9a34.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pendraken/6148445617/)
Also, keep an eye out for a couple of other little projects Techno is working on.... ;)
WOW! I will keep BOTH eyes out for the opposition :-bd
As I've said elsewhere, these are really cool! Thanks guys.
Cheers,
Kev
These are great, but the question we are all asking is...
Where is she? Where is she? Where is she? ;)
You know, the first model in you 10mm Pictish General/Characters selection ;D
Nice Scuplpts;
Could we get the Spears (Pilums) and Standard on the Standing figures more erect (85%?); Just works better for basing.
Where do you get armoured archers in a republican Roman army? They're mid-imperial, aren't they?
Quote from: mad lemmey on 15 September 2011, 07:54:12 AM
Where is she? Where is she? Where is she? ;)
Don't ask me....I sent her off to Leon. ;)
Cheers - Phil.
Quote from: mad lemmey on 15 September 2011, 07:54:12 AM
Where is she? Where is she? Where is she? ;)
Quote from: Techno on 20 September 2011, 05:20:51 PM
Don't ask me....I sent her off to Leon. ;)
I've hidden her away all for myself... :P
Quote from: FierceKitty on 19 September 2011, 11:39:52 PM
Where do you get armoured archers in a republican Roman army? They're mid-imperial, aren't they?
Hi Fierce Kitty....Quite possibly/probably (?) you're right...But I'm not sure if there's an absolute definitive answer to that one. (Seems more likely perhaps ?)
The other troops seem to be well described by the historians...but not the archers...(I think ??)
If only photography had been invented in the dim and distant past....(sigh)
Cheers - Phil. (Waddayamean " I've hidden her away for myself" Leon ?..... I might even have a go at getting the paints out for that one myself....If only I can remember which end of the brush you use...Is it the pointy end or the fluffy end ?. ;)
Quote from: Leon on 20 September 2011, 05:45:01 PM
I've hidden her away all for myself... :P
NOOOOOOOO!!!!! :o
Alright then, fine! I'll get her out and take some photo's instead... :P
Quote from: Leon on 20 September 2011, 07:05:18 PM
Alright then, fine! I'll get her out and take some photo's instead... :P
It's good to share :D Don't keep us waiting too long ;)
Cheers,
Kev
Too right :)
(http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k611/technodestructorman/IMGP3865.jpg)
Some advice needed with these please all.
Above are Wips of the republican cavalry....
The chap on the left is destined to be an 'ordinary' cavalry 'trooper' (equites ?) for which I have a nice reference piccy....He's proposed to have a cloak...medium sized round shield and a spear/lance.
The guy in the middle is proposed as a 'standard bearer/signifier' similar to the foot version that I've already done.....Would this be correct ?... Wolf/bearskin cloak and his standard.....Not sure if I'm barking up the wrong tree here !
On the right will be the tribune (?)..again similar to the foot version already done, though with a smaller round shield than before.
Input and comments would be gratefully received before I go 'galloping' off down the wrong path. (And I'm probably going to have to tweak a couple of the horses heads before I finish !)
Thanks - Phil... (Now back to their enemy....Pics soon with luck !)
Hi Phil
Sculpts coming along nicely. Equites were the wealthy members of the republican army (ie they could afford a horse which was also refunded by the state if killed in battle) so they are going to have pretty decent tack - mailshirts, cloaks etc. Shields were light and round and they carried spears and swords.
Don't know for sure about the bearskin for the signifier but Polybius stated Equites adopted hellenistic-style equipment. My take on it would be to do the signifier and decurions (leader/tribune model) with greek style helmets and plumes so they stand out with maybe the decurion brandishing a sword as opposed to a spear.
Just my take on it.
Matt
Thanks Matt !
Very useful information.....Doesn't sound too far away from the 'ideas/reference pics' that I was thinking about working towards...More pics soon.
Cheers - Phil.
Looking pretty good...althought rider's feet on the left look a little 'clowny' (overlarge).
Hi Luddite....
When I looked...the extra long toes are the remains of a bit of putty that I'd cut, but hadn't removed properly...(sigh)...Good spot tho'.
Cheers - Phil.
Hi Techno,
I am with Matt, from what I have read the most common helmet was the Greek Boiotian type with a simple plume falling down. The Decurion with a sword and perhpas a more ornate plume?. Signifer much the same.
There is some contradiction as to what type of armour was worn, Polybius mentions linen cuirasses, but several reliefs show mail shirts? How about doing both types mail for the Romans and linen for the Latin allies. Or is this just taking the P**S.
Do you know what Carthaginians you will be doing?
P.S There are two drawings of shields for the cavlalry in the Osprey Republican Roman Army 200-104BC book, page 22.
Bertie.
Thanks Bertie.
Feels like I'm going along the right lines here....Should have some more photos showing them all near(ish) to completion on Monday.
I'll do the chain mail for two of these chaps...The decurian roughly as it is in the photo.
The linen type I'll possibly do as conversions a little later. (Once these chaps have been cast up obviously..)....Maybe the same for different shields....That'll be Leon and Dave's shout.
Yep....I've got my list for the Carthaginians....though i wouldn't be surprised if Leon expands this a bit...again, a little later on.
Should have some Wips to show on those too early next week, for comments.
Maybe have some questions re the elephant next week...From what I've been reading there seems some 'controversy' as to whether they a) had a howdah, or b) just rode on its back..depending on exactly which period is being portrayed......Might try and figure out if I can do 'just the one' which has an 'attachable' howdah, so you'll be able to chose.
There's only going to be just the one elephant....As I've read two different species (?) were used (One of which is now extinct ?)....But again, in different 'eras'.
Hope that makes sense !
Cheers - Phil
Quote from: Techno on 06 October 2011, 12:53:30 PM
(http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k611/technodestructorman/IMGP3865.jpg)
Some advice needed with these please all.
Above are Wips of the republican cavalry....
The chap on the left is destined to be an 'ordinary' cavalry 'trooper' (equites ?) for which I have a nice reference piccy....He's proposed to have a cloak...medium sized round shield and a spear/lance.
The guy in the middle is proposed as a 'standard bearer/signifier' similar to the foot version that I've already done.....Would this be correct ?... Wolf/bearskin cloak and his standard.....Not sure if I'm barking up the wrong tree here !
On the right will be the tribune (?)..again similar to the foot version already done, though with a smaller round shield than before.
Input and comments would be gratefully received before I go 'galloping' off down the wrong path. (And I'm probably going to have to tweak a couple of the horses heads before I finish !)
Thanks - Phil... (Now back to their enemy....Pics soon with luck !)
One eques, two equites.
Quote from: FierceKitty on 08 October 2011, 02:35:07 PM
One eques, two equites.
One eques per equum, as it were. 8)
Cheers,
Adrianus
(http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k611/technodestructorman/IMGP3877.jpg)
Here we go then.....Closer to completion...But not as close as I would have liked....Lots of tweaks AND proper finishing off to do yet.....
Not TOO far to go tho' !
Cheers - Phil
They look really nice.
Feet perhaps look a little big, especially left hand rider.
Dammit !.....You're right....I'll give them all a little surgery ! ;D ;D
Cheers - Phil. ....Serves me right for trying to do 'sandals' at this scale ;)
Those are looking good! Consistantly great sculpts.
That reminds me...
How's Kiera Leon?
Quote from: mad lemmey on 11 October 2011, 05:52:59 PM
How's Kiera Leon?
Ah dammit... I was waiting for someone to remind me about her! I'll bring the camera to work tomorrow and grab a pic for everyone!
Looking bloody good mate.
Bertie.
Thanks for the compliments guys.
But I'm confused now.
Who's this Kiera Leon ? I thought her surname was Knightley...I must brush up on my films :D
Cheers - Phil.
;D
Think she might be Pictish Personality 1 - 1 in a range of 1... ;)
(http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k611/technodestructorman/IMGP3906.jpg)
Hopefully...(I'm having trouble with photobucket at the moment !)...The finished Republican cavalry.
And I've taken tad more off the feet since I took this photo....Very strange..They look fine 'in the flesh' but still too big in the photo =)
(http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k611/technodestructorman/IMGP3909.jpg)
And some of the Carthaginians that are all but finished (Though I'm not sure if the Iberian swordsman is really surplus to requirements.)
The rest of the Carthaginians for your perusal, early next week....(HAH !...and I thought I'd have to whole lot finished by Wednesday at the latest...Hey Ho...I blame the new puppy !)
Cheers - Phil.
Excellent, very nice!
Wow - those are top! 8)
They are looking really good.
(Though I'm not sure if the Iberian swordsman is really surplus to requirements.)
As far as I am concerned the more Spanish you do the better, perhaps a large Scutum shield with a spear instead of the sword?
Bertie
Quote from: Gandalf on 24 March 2011, 08:10:17 AM
Excellent sculpts. They would be ideal for late Republican, Caesar in Gaul etc.
Static perhaps. However most legions need men wielding swords so I like them. However, there is a distinct difference between early and late Roman republican legions, which lies in the shape and size of the shield. This difference would show up even in 10mm men. I cannot see the shield clearly enough to say which period, early or late, they are appropriate enough for. As for dynamic poses, if the legionnaire was carrying a pilum vertically overhead, it would be great even if the the man was in a walking pose.
Hi Urbinoprince.
My guess is that you're referring to the very first two models in this thread ?
Those were just test pieces for Leon to have a look at.
From memory...I based these two guys on later period republican guard....I don't think these two chaps are ever destined to see the light of day.....Certainly not without some tweaking !! ;)....They're just sitting in a tiny drawer on my desk for now.
Cheers - Phil
Techno ,
I received new Rupublican Romans today and I have to say I was totally wrong about your shields , they look spot on and they must be the best Romans of that period I have ever seen in 10mm or 15mm , I bet they will look fantastatic painted up en masse.
Great figures.
Toolsey
Thanks for the kind words Toolsey.
Really pleased you like them !.....I'm looking forward to seeing some painted up.
Cheers - Phil
Could I suggest an idea? Different helmet decoration, lefting the plumes for hastati, a horse mane for princeps and crest for triarii reflecting their hoplitic past.
Any chance of getting an Hastatus with thrusting sword and Hastatus and Princeps hurling Pilum?
Quote from: Phobos on 04 November 2012, 02:38:28 PM
Any chance of getting an Hastatus with thrusting sword and Hastatus and Princeps hurling Pilum?
Wow! A literate poster!
Quote from: Phobos on 04 November 2012, 02:38:28 PM
Any chance of getting an Hastatus with thrusting sword and Hastatus and Princeps hurling Pilum?
No plans at the moment, but I'll pop them on the list.
8)
Quote from: Phobos on 05 November 2012, 04:30:38 PM
I beg you pardon?
I mean that you impressively know the singular of
hastati and that the indefinite article before an unstressed
h treats it as a vowel. I was and remain reassured that wargaming does not have to destroy linguistic sensitivity, and that some internet posters are able to use language with intelligence.
;D
Quote from: FierceKitty on 07 November 2012, 01:51:13 AM
I mean that you impressively know the singular of hastati and that the indefinite article before an unstressed h treats it as a vowel. I was and remain reassured that wargaming does not have to destroy linguistic sensitivity, and that some internet posters are able to use language with intelligence.
Well... thanks then. I´m no native english user, that´s why I´d prefer to ask the motif of the comment.
P.S. Any mistake I could made, please, let me know it.
A better idea - why don't you give a few hints to first-language speakers who seem less at home in English than you do? What is your home language, anyway?
QuoteWhat is your home language, anyway?
I'm guessing Greek...... :-\
Spanish or Greek for Phobos ?
I feel I'm as guilty as anyone in ignoring the fact that we have a number of members on the forum who don't have English as their 'first language'.
I like to think that I'm reasonably literate....Nowhere near FK...and I DO think that I'll use colloquialisms (slang) because I believe everybody else will understand (without too much difficulty) what I'm waffling on about.
I think that our friends 'overseas' do particularly well to understand what a lot of us write down.
Yes....If any of our non-English speaking friends don't understand what we write down....DO ask...
I, for one, admire the fact that you'll post in a language that's not your native tongue. (Language)
Good for you guys ! :-bd
Cheers - Phil
Really, greek? Why, if I could ask? not a matter of offence, of course, just curious. Maybe because the nickname?
And the winner is Techno! My home language is spanish, and I´m from Spain, but I got friends in Poland, Sweden, Russia, Latvia, Portugal and the EEUU, and we always try to use a "correct" english language when we talk.
In fact, it´s the only foreign language that I speak and write correctly (I hope), apart from a little mandrinn chinese.
QuoteReally, greek? Why, if I could ask?
Sure, I was taken in by the nickname, as you guessed. Phobos is the name of a Greek songwriter (as well as Apollo of course :D) and I put 2 and 2 together and came up with cinco :-[
Hooray for me !!!.
I have to say Phobos, your English is a million times better than my Spanish !....Which, in truth, is just about non existent !
Your written use of English is EXCELLENT!!
I only wish I could speak and write another language....You put me (at least) to shame !!
I could just about make myself understood in spoken French...
Cheers - Phil.
I've always wanted to learn another language properly, but it was something which didn't come naturally to me in school. I was fine with the written part, but speaking it was a whole different ball game. Maybe one day I'll give it another go.
Learning something useful in school is hard nowadays.
I studied German for 7 years, was there 2 times, was decent at it, but now...I can only understand some words and find it really hard to speak.
I learnt English in three waves (after High school) : First, I wanted to understand lyrics of System of a Down...then few years later, downloadi...buying lots or american series without subtitles (due to the hurry to get the new episode). At last, I spend like 6 months with a friend of mine who grew in London, and all of his friends where everything but French. (Mainly commonwealth Erasmus students).
For the two others languages (Portuguese and Italian), I just learnt them in situ.
But Latin languages are easy once you know one.
I can even understand a little of Spanish...
Leon, come to visit me. ;)
Quote from: barbarian on 07 November 2012, 04:57:09 PM
Leon, come to visit me. ;)
Maybe, I would like to visit Rome some time soon.
8)
Quote from: Techno on 07 November 2012, 03:14:22 PM
Hooray for me !!!.
I have to say Phobos, your English is a million times better than my Spanish !....Which, in truth, is just about non existent !
Your written use of English is EXCELLENT!!
I only wish I could speak and write another language....You put me (at least) to shame !!
I could just about make myself understood in spoken French...
Cheers - Phil.
And I only wish to learn to sculpt so good as you! :D
I tried german and french too, but left them time ago, actually, I can´t understand NOTHING in that two languages, but for a few words. In german all sounds like shouting orders, sorry for the german speakers here.
In fact, I didn´t learn ANYTHING in school or HS, shameful level in my days, but I keep hearing to english music, reading OSprey books, and watching films in original version. Now I´m taking a look to learn a little swedish, before to searching for a job there.
Wnen I was living in Brno, I had a couple of Austrian gamers pop over for a game. I warned them that I could understand the plans they were discussing in German, and they switched to Vienna dialect. Mein Gott! I couldn't even recognise that it was German at all.
The interesting thing was their excellent and entirely self-taught English, which they claimed to have learned almost exclusively in the wargaming context.
I´ve seen that lot of times, people that learn english due to their hobbys come in that language. Well, I´ve ever seen this with japanese things.
I'm using part of my retirement to try to get my French up to the point at which I can hold an intelligible conversation. There's a world of difference between listening to an actor enunciating a language with care on a CD and a native speaker talking at full speed. I can pick up about one word in five currently. ~X(