Any thaughts on the boxer rebellion.
I am heavily into WWI and the pre-dread colonial period, and Pendraken cover fogures that can be used for most of these games, Russio-japanese war, seige of Tsingtau (hmmmm Beer) and all that stuff, one thing from the range that is missing is chinese troops. These can be used for boxer rebellion, Russio-japanese war, WWI (including western front - as they wernt given uniforms until 1917) Sino-japanese war and all sorts of other stuff.
No other company does the range and it would be a great addition to the existing range.
Maybe an old gamers pipe dream but I would love to know is anyone else is interested in a 10mm collection. :-\
I have a pet project in the wings to do the 1937 Sino-Japanese war. I was looking at using many figures from the WW1 range for the Chinese since most of the pictures I have seen so far are showing in gear similar to many European armies from WW1. And the heavy equipment looks end of war WW1 vintage.
Sooo, I dont know what could be done that was just Chinese for this war it looked all European. Maybe some Chinese militia groups. You can add my support if there can be some minis that will look like Chinese of the period ;)
Just re-read first to land.... yep I am in :)
Yup!Chinese boxers and the Imperial army would be great along with character figures such as Charlton Heston, Ava Gardner and David Niven ........ ;)
Yes,I'm in :)
Doh! :-[ Just re-read the original post - talk about out in left field with my first post :P
Yes a big VOTE for Boxer Rebellion figures :D
Quote from: Blaker on 21 March 2011, 10:45:25 PM
I have a pet project in the wings to do the 1937 Sino-Japanese war. I was looking at using many figures from the WW1 range for the Chinese since most of the pictures I have seen so far are showing in gear similar to many European armies from WW1. And the heavy equipment looks end of war WW1 vintage.
Sooo, I dont know what could be done that was just Chinese for this war it looked all European. Maybe some Chinese militia groups. You can add my support if there can be some minis that will look like Chinese of the period ;)
Thats a great project to do and you can get everything for it from Pendraken. Its a project I have also thought of as I have alot in 20mm but cant be bothered to get the tanks etc. in that scale.
In 10mm chinese communist forces can be austrian early WWI, paint the uniform dark blue for winter, gray for summer, for republican chinese use late WWI german in helmet, Dark green/gray uniforms drifting to gray, some of the nationalist forces in the north like the opium barons were backed by britain so you have all sorts of uniform combinations. You can also use WWI troops in turban for the nationalists too after all they were mostly muslim. Obiously russians are WWII russians.
some pictures of the chinese army from the Sino-japanese war and WWI
more pics from above period and into the late 1920's.
Chinese troops in British service during the boxer rebellion and into the 20's (note the Turban) also used by chinese in the south west of china and in Burma (which by then had been taken by britain as a colony.) I should note that chinese in german service wore a blue coat and blue turban, the uniform remained under japanese rule and again under chinese rule until the late 30's.
Hi
I'll add my voice, the first two pictures of Chinese troops from mortarion74 would be very handy for any interwar type army, a minor paint job and you have VBCW, SCW, South American conflicts, etc. I'd also add some Civilian volunteers for the Legation siege, similar but better sculpted than Redbox ;D .
(http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/SetScans/RED72028a.jpg)
Could also be used in VBCW.
Cheers
GrumpyOldMan
I never thought of it but alot of the chinese uniforms would pass for south american, and civilian late victorian/Edwardian troops would be very useful for all sorts of colonial games including WWI, Post WWI.
Yes, would be interested.
Pendraken already has the guns in the range, German Krupp guns were used by the chinese, alot of them in fact, just need boxer crews.
Isnt it only the Chinese that are missing ?
ianS
Boxers get my vote, with associated central powers. Opens up lots of possbilities for further colonial adventures like the French in Cochin China.
How about figures for the taiping rebellion too.
Hi
Quote from: ianrs54 on 05 April 2011, 10:10:34 AM
Isnt it only the Chinese that are missing ?
ianS
Yes it's mainly the Chinese, most of the other armies could be press-ganged from other ranges, the only others I can think of would be the Colonial British Marines in side cap, Americans in campaign hat and gaiters (also useful for the Spanish-American war, maybe throw a few montana hats in there as well for WW1 :D ) and armed civilians.
Cheers
GrumpyOldMan
I wuz wrong - you need the Armoured Trains, see the Osprey NVG on the subject.
IanS
Suggestion and votes all added. Good amount of interest in this one.
Hi Ian
Quote from: ianrs54 on 06 April 2011, 08:06:31 AM
I wuz wrong - you need the Armoured Trains, see the Osprey NVG on the subject.
IanS
Would the Boer War Armoured Train fit the bill? Pictures here:- http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=645.0 (http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=645.0) Unfortunately I don't have the Osprey to check.
Cheers
GrumpyOldMan
No - sorry, may well be some like that, but these were white Russain stuff which "migrated" over the border, formally designed artillery cars etc. The Boer War one was a lash up, and looks it.
IanS
the armoured trains were not really armoured, just wood or cotton planking, the boar war trains although DIY were much more purpose built, the russian trains came down into manturia and stayed for the duration, later to see the russio-japanese war.
most of pendraken ranges can fill the gaps for boxer rebellion, italians in sun hat would be good though as they could also be used in the turkish\italian war 1911. the main thing lacking is the chinese, no one does them in 10mm and they would be very usefull from the boxer rebellion, 1st sino-japanese war even up to WWI.
The chinese in the early part of WWI wore chinese clothing and were not given uniforms until china offically entered WWI. Chinese troops were used from early in the war to dig trenches, in fact most of the entente trenches were built by the chinese, and some 400,000 chinese 'diggers' died during the war. More information can be found on this on the chinese news website for china today who did a great documentary series on the subject. There are also some good pictures of them in 'history of the great war' published in 1919 by the Thimes newspaper, now sadly out of print but my late father luckily saved the whole lot from my grandparents when the house was cleared. Grandfather was a big collector on stuff to do with the war as my great grandfather was well traveled during the war, starting the war in the army in france 1914 and surviving the russian civil war too.
the last bit may be a bit off topic but it just shows how well used chinese could be if you really feel like having fun with them.
The third picture mortarion74 posted are actually troops from of the EVA - Ever Victorious Army - which was one european sponsored and trained formations raised to protect the treaty ports during the Tai'Ping Rebellion that raged across the cultivated areas of China from 1850 to 1864.
I have visited several manufacturers websites and have found only one range (15 mm) dedicated to this conflict. This surprises me since the weaponry used ranged from bows, swords and spears to percusssion cap rifles, flintlocks, smooth bore muskets, matchlocks and Jingall guns. Along with artillery that dated back to the time of probably Columbus.
Another point is considering the total in human loss ,20 miilion is an agreed upon estimate and yet their is no interest in this conflict.
Big battles, long seiges, trenched warfare, the rise of the Warlords in China and the weaking of the central government which allowed european expansion/exploitation to grow which was a primer for the Boxer Rebellion. And the era of the creation of the culinary delight of General Tso's chicken. No joke, he was there...
As long as you do some"Kansu Braves" and Imperial troop in western uniforms for me :-[
I would just like to add my voice to those who think Boxer rebellion troops would be a good next step for Pendraken. My 1898 Sudan British, with supplements can already take on the Boers in 1899 and the Germans in East Africa in 1915 and the Turks too and they're itching to have a go at the pesky Boxers. And there's great appeal in putting together what must be a unique international force to join them as well as building the exotic Chinese elements.
Another interesting period after the mutiny. It is a little know fact, found only in an obscure footnote or two, that the Aztec Empire had a small trade mission in Tianjin.
OK, I made the bit about the Aztecs up
Could those exotic Chinese elements be used as far as say the 1920s?
Welcome to the madness err forum Sean....hope you enjoy it.
Nice piece of thread necromancy reviving a thread from 2011 for your first post :)
Cheers
Peter
Quote from: Holmesburg on 16 April 2011, 02:01:57 AM
The third picture mortarion74 posted are actually troops from of the EVA - Ever Victorious Army - which was one european sponsored and trained formations raised to protect the treaty ports during the Tai'Ping Rebellion that raged across the cultivated areas of China from 1850 to 1864.
I have visited several manufacturers websites and have found only one range (15 mm) dedicated to this conflict. This surprises me since the weaponry used ranged from bows, swords and spears to percusssion cap rifles, flintlocks, smooth bore muskets, matchlocks and Jingall guns. Along with artillery that dated back to the time of probably Columbus.
Another point is considering the total in human loss ,20 miilion is an agreed upon estimate and yet their is no interest in this conflict.
Big battles, long seiges, trenched warfare, the rise of the Warlords in China and the weaking of the central government which allowed european expansion/exploitation to grow which was a primer for the Boxer Rebellion. And the era of the creation of the culinary delight of General Tso's chicken. No joke, he was there...
Pretty certain Foundry did a 28mm range, which might prove useful for rulesets such as The Men Who Would Be Kings and C19th Scum Of The Earth.
The Boxers and their enemies would be an ideal addition especially for use with Principles of War rules. If you can take a lead on the Risorgimentothe Boxers can't be topo daring achoice.
Thought time team had been dropped !!!
Count me in for a box of boxers!
;D
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The international figures for the Boxer rebellion would open a fascinating proxy can of worms. Similarly the Chinese could presumably take on the Japanese in the war a few years previously, not to mention possible use in the 1860s war.
Quote from: Leman on 04 January 2019, 09:03:34 AM
The international figures for the Boxer rebellion would open a fascinating proxy can of worms
Whatever makes you say that :o ;)
US Marines
British Royal Marines
German Sea Battalion
Russian Infantry (with fixed bayonets otherwise they are incorrect)
Russian Cossacks
Russian Artillery Crews
Japanese Infantry
Japanese cavalry
Japanese Artillery Crews
French Sailors
French marines
Italian Bersaglieri
Italian Sailors
Austrian Sailors
European Civilians
Naval Artillery Crews
;D
Quote from: Shedman on 04 January 2019, 10:18:08 AM
Whatever makes you say that :o ;)
US Marines
British Royal Marines
German Sea Battalion
Russian Infantry (with fixed bayonets otherwise they are incorrect)
Russian Cossacks
Russian Artillery Crews
Japanese Infantry
Japanese cavalry
Japanese Artillery Crews
French Sailors
French marines
Italian Bersaglieri
Italian Sailors
Austrian Sailors
European Civilians
Naval Artillery Crews
:D
Japanese would also be viable for adding to the Russo Japanese range or as figures that could be modified for that range
Add my vote for Taiping Chinese range please.
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Taipings and Chinese Imperials/Boxers would go well with the Indian Mutiny British and Crimean French to cover the mid 19th century as well.
I'd be interested in some boxer figures too! (Mostly for my own non-boxer rebellion purposes)
For all the people leaking Chinese warlords, there is now a separate 'proxy' list of what pendraken miniatures can be used to make armies already. I lifted a list from a different website and added some figures here, any input/suggestions are welcome. Too! Have a look: http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,20190.0.html
I must admit that it does feel like something should be added to the Russo-Japanese range. A large number of my Japanese should be fighting for Saxony in Bohemia forty years earlier.
Any progress after this flurry of activity?
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Quote from: Leman on 04 January 2019, 09:03:34 AMThe international figures for the Boxer rebellion would open a fascinating proxy can of worms. Similarly the Chinese could presumably take on the Japanese in the war a few years previously, not to mention possible use in the 1860s war.
I always wanted to game the Sino-Japanese War! I'd love to see a Boxer range.
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Add my vote too!
Another vote for Chinese troops in 'native' dress and some armed with old firearms and various melee weapons, gun crews too !!!
Particularly interested for Chinese civil war at the moment but Boxer rebellion or mid 19C civil wars are both options for the near future.
Tony of TTT
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