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Wider Wargaming => Genre/Period Discussion => 20th Century => Topic started by: Kiwidave on 13 March 2011, 08:48:56 PM

Title: PaK 36 for Japanese Type 94 ATG
Post by: Kiwidave on 13 March 2011, 08:48:56 PM
Would the German PaK 36 (with Japanese crew) be suitable for a Japanese Type 94 37mm? No one makes one.... :'(
Title: Re: PaK 36 for Japanese Type 94 ATG
Post by: Gandalf on 13 March 2011, 10:29:47 PM
You could change the wheels on the PAK36 for spoked ones and try to flatten out the gun shield somehow.

Title: Re: PaK 36 for Japanese Type 94 ATG
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 14 March 2011, 11:53:08 AM
Soviet 45 might be easier, all come from same root, the PaK36.

IanS
Title: Re: PaK 36 for Japanese Type 94 ATG
Post by: Kiwidave on 14 March 2011, 12:13:41 PM
Cheers guys!

Another option might be either of the French ATGs, as they have flat shields.
Title: Re: PaK 36 for Japanese Type 94 ATG
Post by: OldenBUA on 14 March 2011, 01:43:29 PM
The type 94 comes with spoked wheels or with metal disc wheels, so you could also keep the wheels as is.

Or maybe you can switch to the type 97 AT gun? That's a license built PaK 35/36, so no need to modify. Except if you do the same as the Japanese, and remove the shield completely...
Title: Re: PaK 36 for Japanese Type 94 ATG
Post by: Kiwidave on 14 March 2011, 01:58:03 PM
I couldn't find any refernce to the Type 97, other than the anti-tank rifle. There is a Type 1, which is a 94 with a longer barrel.

My fall back is to use the Type 47mm gun and call it a 37mm - the people I play with won't mind! :)
Title: Re: PaK 36 for Japanese Type 94 ATG
Post by: OldenBUA on 14 March 2011, 03:27:45 PM
Did a quick search, and found some references to a type 'Ra', which would be the same as the type 97. It looks like it wasn't license built by the Japanese after all, but that they used captured Chinese-built copies (and Russian built copies that were captured in the border conflicts).

The 47mm type 1 looks a lot like the 37mm type 94, so I wouldn't mind too! And Ian is right (again) as this type 1 was inspired by captured Russian 45mm Model 32 guns. Which was a scaled up 37mm Model 30, which was the Russian version of the 37mm Rheinmetall Pak.
Title: Re: PaK 36 for Japanese Type 94 ATG
Post by: Kiwidave on 14 March 2011, 03:34:10 PM
Thanks OldenBUA!  :D
Title: Re: PaK 36 for Japanese Type 94 ATG
Post by: Gandalf on 14 March 2011, 06:50:00 PM
If you want to use the 47mm, Minifigs do one.  Their 12mm range is a good match for modern 10mm.  Don't let the poor paint job in the pictures put you off.  http://www.miniaturefigurines.co.uk/images/catalogue/JV83.jpg (http://www.miniaturefigurines.co.uk/images/catalogue/JV83.jpg)
Title: Re: PaK 36 for Japanese Type 94 ATG
Post by: OldenBUA on 14 March 2011, 09:15:01 PM
From the 'WW2 Fact File' book on Anti-tank weapons that I have. As you can see, the appearance of these guns changes quite dramatically when they have disc wheels instead of spoked wheels. Maybe some gun from the WWI (or even colonial) range would work as well?

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/OldenBUA/Other%20stuff/P3141282.jpg) (http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/OldenBUA/Other%20stuff/P3141283.jpg)
Title: Re: PaK 36 for Japanese Type 94 ATG
Post by: Gandalf on 15 March 2011, 12:11:12 AM
Unfortunately there aren't any guns from earlier Pendraken ranges with split trails.
The picture of the type 97 on page 31 of OldenBUA's scan is identical to the German Pak 36 which I think answers the original question
Title: Re: PaK 36 for Japanese Type 94 ATG
Post by: Kiwidave on 15 March 2011, 08:15:19 AM
The down side of using the PaK36 as that the Japanese version only saw action in mainliand Asia AFAIK. I'm not a massive purist, but it's nice to get things right when I can - I'm putting a Iwo Jima scenario together.

OldenBUA, thanks for the pics - they are very helpful :)
Title: Re: PaK 36 for Japanese Type 94 ATG
Post by: Gandalf on 15 March 2011, 11:45:26 AM
Quote from: Kiwidave on 15 March 2011, 08:15:19 AM
I'm putting a Iwo Jima scenario together...

You probably won't need that many Japanese figures, just bunker and tunnel markers  :)
Title: Re: PaK 36 for Japanese Type 94 ATG
Post by: Kiwidave on 15 March 2011, 11:46:32 AM
You're probably right!  :D